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How Sourmilk Built a Yogurt Brand Worth Talking About Oct 06, 2026

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Elan Halpern did not set out to start a yogurt company. She set out to fix her gut. What started as making small batches at home turned into 50 customer interviews, yogurt drops with personal phone numbers handed out at the door, and eventually a Midwest launch into 70 Fresh Thyme stores less than a year after hitting their first grocery shelf.

She joined Destaney to talk about building iteratively, meeting your audience where they already are, and why building in public has been one of the single greatest marketing strategies Sour Milk has taken on.

Connect with Elan on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elan-halpern/

Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

You Are Reading the Wrong Scorecard Sep 29, 2026

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David Khoshpasand has spent years at Hasbro figuring out why retail media keeps getting blamed for things that are not its fault. The answer almost always comes back to the same problem. Brands are using the wrong scorecard.

In this episode he and Destaney get into why total OPS is a terrible way to measure retail media effectiveness, why a high ROAS and a low ROI can exist at the exact same time, and why one competitor going viral overnight can tank your organic share in ways that have nothing to do with your ads.

Connect with David on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dkmarketing/

Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

AI Is the New Word of Mouth Sep 22, 2026

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Christian Campisi taught himself Amazon advertising by sitting in on US account calls while doing his accounting job at Pink Stork. Two years later he was launching the brand into 4,600 Walmart stores. He recently joined Wedderspoon, the leading Manuka honey brand, to do it all over again.

In this episode he and Destaney get into why brands that start with the tool instead of the problem almost always get it wrong, why lifetime value and acquisition cost are the only two north star metrics that really matter for CPG brands, and why sometimes every KPI says one thing and your gut says the other and your gut wins.

Connect with Christian on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christian-campisi10/

Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

How Soom Foods Built a Brand Before Anyone Knew What Tahini Was Sep 15, 2026

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Amy Zitelman co-founded Soom Foods in 2013 with no branding experience, no marketing budget, and a product most Americans had never heard of. She built the brand by selling to chefs, showing up at farmer's markets, and collecting feedback for eight years before she felt ready to scale to consumer channels.

She joined Destaney to talk about the flywheel effect between food service and Amazon, why if you cannot find the attribution there is none, and what the pivot from tahini jars to dressings is teaching them about listening to your customer.

Connect with Amy on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amy-zitelman/

Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

What AI Gets Wrong About Your Catalog Sep 08, 2026

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Nick and Destaney get into how to think about budget allocation across a catalog when every SKU has a different role, why a one dollar ROAS on a specific product might actually be the right call, and why brands that are still optimizing purely for ACOS and ROAS are falling behind without even realizing it.

They also get into why giving AI just spend and ROAS data without the right context is one of the most dangerous things a brand can do right now, how time to conversion data should be changing how you think about day parting, and why the digital shelf is not that different from a physical retail shelf when you think about where the traffic actually goes.

Connect with Nick on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/n-amos/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

Stop Chasing Viral. Start Building Real. Sep 01, 2026

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Cullen Gilchrist has spent 15 years watching food and beverage brands succeed and fail. As CEO of First Run, he has seen enough companies light money on fire chasing growth, distribution, and viral moments to know exactly where the pattern breaks down every single time.

In this episode Cullen and Destaney get into why scaling never fixes a margin problem, why repeat purchases are the only metric that actually tells you if your product is working, and why the fundamentals of building a great brand really have not changed in a hundred years. AI, TikTok shop, and D2C have just added more ways to ignore them.

If you are building a CPG brand or advising one, this one is worth your time.

The Context Problem: Why Most Brands Are Using AI Wrong Aug 25, 2026

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Dustin Wassner is BTR Media's VP of Technology and one of the most genuinely knowledgeable people in the space when it comes to the actual infrastructure behind retail media advertising. He is also the person Destaney calls when something sounds easy and needs someone to figure out if it actually is.

In this episode they get into why MCPs are everywhere right now and what they actually do, why connecting every tool you own to your AI context window is slowing you down, and why the onboarding process is quietly one of the most important things an agency can get right in an AI-driven world.

One of the more honest inside looks at how a retail media agency is actually building with AI right now.

Connect with Dustin on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dustin-wassner/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

3 Roles, 100 Brands, Here's What She Learned Aug 18, 2026

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Cherene Aubert went from agency operator to VP of Growth at Bobby to head of digital at Ilia Beauty, and then left her dream job to start Growth Capital. In this episode she breaks down the pattern recognition that comes from seeing a hundred plus brands up close, how to think about media budget distribution at every stage of growth, and why copying someone else's channel strategy is one of the most expensive mistakes a brand can make.
Connect with Cherene on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chereneetemadi/
Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

Nécessaire's Full Funnel Playbook Aug 11, 2026

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Kris Torres manages Amazon advertising in-house for Nécessaire, one of the most talked-about premium body care brands in the space. In this episode, he breaks down exactly how he thinks about full funnel strategy, when high ROAS is actually a warning sign, and why winning on Amazon starts with winning off it first.
They also get into AMC lookalike audiences, how Nécessaire uses Prime Video and Fire TV for upper funnel, why sponsored product video is one of the most underused placements in search, and where AI fits and where it doesn't in day to day operations.
Connect with Kris on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kris-torres-4a1366110/
Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

Back to School Is Bigger Than You Think Aug 04, 2026

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62% of back to school shoppers have already started their journey before most brands have even adjusted their strategy. If that stat surprises you, this episode is worth your time.

Destaney sits down with Gibby and Laura to break down everything brands need to know about back to school and back to campus right now. They cover the timing complexity, how regionalization affects when you should be spending, why the consideration window is longer than most brands account for, and how audience segmentation looks different across Amazon, Walmart, and Target.

Connect with Gibby on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gibby-h-2132b71a4/

Connect with Laura on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurajpattison/

Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

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