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    What If Marvel was Real?

    What if… the Marvel Universe was real?

    In 1961 the Fantastic Four revealed themselves to the world and everything changed. Mike and Ed discuss the in-universe implications of super powers, aliens, monsters and more. From how Avenger Insurance will pay for Thor’s property damage to why Spider-man needs a new PR agency, its comic books discussions in a whole new way.

    Every issue covered in the Marvel Universe from the very beginning.

    Full backstory on every episode with transcripts at www.SuperSerious616.com

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    Copyright: © Edward Nevraumont

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    Episode 27: Ant-Man shrinks crime while super genius freak out (Tales to Astonish #37) -- Nov 1962 May 21, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss the latest criminal to go up against Ant Man - the Protector. Another engineering genius who breaks bad to prove himself against a superpowered hero? Does this prove the point we made in the last episode?

    In this issue:

    A small jewelry store owner mutters to himself that the Protector is robbing his store. Ant-Man, who is spying on the entire city through his network of ants, jumps in to help the store owner. He basically sets up a fake robbery, which leads to him battling the Protector, who appears to be a super-strong giant. He eventually discovers that the Protector is actually the small jewelry store owner who was running an insurance scheme and robbing other stores too. You would think that a 60 year old engineering genius would come up with a better use for an amazing exoskeleton than to commit insurance fraud and knock over small businesses. Crime does not pay, and yet another genius goes to jail. Meanwhile, Ant-Man, another science genius, feels pretty good about himself.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    The police are becoming overly reliant on the services of the masked vigilante, Ant-Man.

    This episode takes place:

    After the world has been deprived of a criminal genius who became the victim of his own hubris and ambition.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 26: The Limits of Humanity (Strange Tales 102) -- Nov 1962 May 19, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    In one of their most important episodes, Mike and Ed discuss what drives the smartest and most accomplished man in the world to throw it all away on a vendetta against teenage superhero Human Torch. Is something larger going on with the psychological effects on regular humans due to the existence of superpowered humans, gods, and monsters?

    In this issue:

    Bentley (“the Wizard”) Whitman is a world regarded genius inventor who decides that he has to match up with the Human Torch as a test of his greatness. He stages a calamity requiring the Torch to rescue him and, after being rescued and showing the Torch around his house, captures him.

    The Wizard then impersonates the Human Torch, attempts a brazen midday robbery, and releases prisoners from the state prison.

    The Torch escapes from his cell and confronts the Wizard.

    The Wizard has photos proving that the Torch is innocent, and dangles them in front of him. He dares the Torch to fight him to get the photos out of his hand, and thereby reveal his secret identity. Rather than do that, the Torch floats the photos from the Wizard’s hands, defeating him. The Wizard is then taken into custody.

    We then learn that Sue Storm, the Invisible Girl, assisted her brother by taking the photos from the Wizard’s hands, fooling him into thinking the Human Torch had another mysterious ability.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    The world is shocked that the Wizard broke bad… and why.

    This episode takes place:

    After the world has learned that the Wizard threw it all away to match wits with a teenager who can light himself on fire.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 25: Thor, US Military Contractor? (Journey Into Mystery #86) -- Nov 1962 May 17, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss the implications of Thor going public with his role in the US military. Why is the Norwegian God of Thunder working so closely with American interests?

    In this issue:

    The issue opens three centuries in the future. The Earth is a peaceful utopia, and everyone is happy with life other than mad scientist Zarrko, who decides to build a time machine and return to 1962, where he can steal a nuclear bomb. He arrives at a test site in 1962 where Thor is allowing the US military to test bombs on him. Zarrko steals a bomb and returns to the 23rd century. Thor follows him into the future after he MacGyvers his magic hammer into a time machine. By the time Thor arrives in the future, Zarrko is already the despotic ruler of Earth. Thor battles his way through various obstacles that Zarrko sets in his path but eventually emerges victorious, defeating Zarrko, recovering the nuclear bomb that Zarrko had stolen, and returning back to 1962 so that he can continue helping the military test weapons.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    The military continues to test weapons on Thor.

    This episode takes place:

    After the public learns that Thor is helping the US military test weapons.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 24: Hulk Deception (Hulk #4 Part 2) -- Nov 1962 May 14, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss the fake alien who was actually a robot. The press says that the Hulk somehow created the fake alien to boost his popularity. Uh, are we missing something here? I thought the Hulk was a rampaging monster, not a super-genius capable of building a robot! This does not add up…

    In this issue:

    Bruce Banner is missing to the world at large. Rick Jones is questioned by the Army about his disappearance. Meanwhile, the Hulk, freed from Rick’s mental control, flies around, saves a bus full of children, and disrupts a film set.

    Rick and the Hulk are reunited. Rick finishes an experiment that Bruce had set up to allow Bruce control over his transformations into the Hulk. The experiment is a success, and Bruce’s personality is maintained while he is the Hulk, although he is angrier and crueler.

    A spaceship then appears, and an alien named Mongu emerges. He issues a challenge to Earth’s mightiest champion to meet him in combat. Bruce transforms into the Hulk and confronts Mongu, who is revealed to me a robot created by the Russians as a ruse to kidnap the Hulk and taken him back to their country to analyze so that their scientists can build an army of warriors like him. The Hulk defeats the Russians and escapes.

    The Army appears at the battle site, but the Hulk and the Russians are gone. The Army concludes that the Hulk must have created the Mongu robot in an attempt to generate publicity, and the newspaper reports the Hulk’s apparent hoax.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    Everyone is wondering - is the Hulk actually smart? And is that better or worse than a dumb Hulk?

    This episode takes place:

    After the media report the Hulk’s alleged hoax.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 23: Banner missing - again (Hulk #4, Part 1) -- Nov 1962 May 12, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss the disappearance of Bruce Banner. Has he been kidnapped by the Soviets? Or are aliens involved? Finding Bruce Banner should be the world’s #1 priority given how he recently saved the world from an alien invasion.

    In this issue:

    Bruce Banner is missing to the world at large. Rick Jones is questioned by the Army about his disappearance. Meanwhile, the Hulk, freed from Rick’s mental control, flies around, saves a bus full of children, and disrupts a film set.

    Rick and the Hulk are reunited. Rick finishes an experiment that Bruce had set up to allow Bruce control over his transformations into the Hulk. The experiment is a success, and Bruce’s personality is maintained while he is the Hulk, although he is angrier and crueler.

    A spaceship then appears, and an alien named Mongu emerges. He issues a challenge to Earth’s mightiest champion to meet him in combat. Bruce transforms into the Hulk and confronts Mongu, who is revealed to me a robot created by the Russians as a ruse to kidnap the Hulk and taken him back to their country to analyze so that their scientists can build an army of warriors like him. The Hulk defeats the Russians and escapes.

    The Army appears at the battle site, but the Hulk and the Russians are gone. The Army concludes that the Hulk must have created the Mongu robot in an attempt to generate publicity, and the newspaper reports the Hulk’s apparent hoax.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    The world frets as they await word on Bruce Banner’s safe return.

    This episode takes place:

    After Bruce Banner goes missing, and as public opinion on the Hulk continues to sour.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 22: The Puppet Master made me do it! Mind control and the modern age. (Fantastic Four #8) -- Nov 1962 May 10, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss the “Puppet Master” - a villain who has the ability to control people’s minds (including a prison warden, and the Fantastic Four themselves) through his creepily realistic puppets. What are the implications of people not being in control of their bodies? Will this become a standard criminal defense? How can we know when someone is being mind-controlled? Is our political system at risk?

    In this issue:

    The Puppet Master is able to sculpt puppets of people and assume total control of them. He takes control of the Thing and kidnaps the Invisible Girl. The Thing is freed when he is turned back to a human temporarily with a potion that Mr. Fantastic had created. The three are then able to rescue the Invisible Girl from the Puppet Master’s lair, as the Puppet Master flees on a flying mechanical horse.

    The Puppet Master has also taken control of the state prison warden and had him release all of the prisoners. The Fantastic Four put the riot down and restore order. They race back to the Puppet Master to confront him, but it is too late - he has already tripped and fallen out his apartment window, falling to his death on the street below.

    This issue is also notable for introducing the Puppet Master’s blind stepdaughter Alicia Masters, an innocent drawn into her stepfather’s schemes and someone who will play a larger role in the Fantastic Four in the years to come.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    Lawyers are trying to figure out how best to apply the mind control defence. The rest of the public is wondering when things will return to normal - and whether they can trust those in authority, never mind each other.

    This episode takes place:

    After the public has learned of the prison breakout and the role that mind control played in it.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 21: Introducing Ant-Man (Tales to Astonish #36) -- October 1962 May 07, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss the latest superpowered individual. What are his powers, exactly? Where are these powers coming from? And what is his motivation for doing the job that police officers are paid to do?

    In this issue:

    Ant-Man seems to be everywhere. The issue opens up with him rescuing thieves who have locked themselves in a bank vault during a botched robbery. Thousands of miles away, the leader of the USSR decides to send “Comrade X” to capture Ant-Man and learn how he is able to change his size so that his troops will be able to take over the world. We return to the US where a young woman visits the police asking to be put in touch with Ant-Man. They don’t know what to tell her - Ant-Man just shows up when he is needed. We, the reader, learn that Ant-Man communicates through ants throughout the city, and when someone mutters “Ant-Man”, he knows he is needed.

    Anyway, Ant-Man visits the young woman, who warns him that Comrade X is in America and intent on capturing him. Ant-Man heads off to confront Comrade X, easily dispatching his goons with the help of thousands of ants before confronting Comrade X, who turns out to be the young woman. It turns out she was Comrade X all along, disguised as a man. The Coast Guard shows up to take custody of the Russian spy as Ant-Man moseys away on an ant.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    The West is reeling once again to learn of yet another Russian spy on American soil.

    This episode takes place:

    After Comrade X has been arrested and the public have learned of the existence of another Russian spy.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 20: Cold War heats up with the Human Torch (Strange Tales #101) -- October 1962 May 05, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss the news of another Human Torch (who must be Johnny Storm), and perhaps more importantly, how a Russian submarine was spying off the East Coast.

    In this issue:

    Johnny Storm moves to the town of Glenville with his sister, Sue Storm. He convinces himself that no one will put it together that Johnny Storm, brother of the Invisible Girl, is not Johnny Storm, the Human Torch and a teammate of his sister’s in the Fantastic Four. Oh, Johnny.

    Meanwhile, someone in a green and yellow costume who calls himself the Destroyer decides to, well, destroy the amusement park that is nearing completion in the small town of Glenville. The Destroyer sends a ransom-style note to the publisher of the Glenville newspaper demanding the town cease construction of the amusement park. The publisher ignores the warning, and the next day, a man who decided to wear a suit on a roller coaster is in grave danger as the track his cart is riding on breaks mid-ride. Fortunately, Johnny Storm happens to see the tragedy unfold. He quickly flames on and flies into action as the Human Torch (seriously, how is Johnny convincing himself no one knows he is the Torch?) and rescues the suit clad stranger from certain death.

    More notes are sent to the publisher of the town paper, and they continue to be ignored by the publisher. True to his word, the Destroyer causes the foundation of another roller coaster to fracture, and Johnny Storm again leaps into action to save the day.

    Clearly frustrated that he cannot live up to his name, the Destroyer issues a challenge in the local paper to the Human Torch. The Thing shows up and gives a terrible pep talk to his young teammate. Undettered, the Human Torch confronts the Destroyer, who easily defeats the Torch by dousing his flame. Johnny narrowly escapes, and he investigates further. He flies to the top of the roller coaster and sees a Russian submarine off the coast. He forces the sub to breach, and the Russian spies are arrested. Johnny figures out that the Destroyer is in league with the Russians and confronts him. The Destroyer is revealed to be none other than the publisher of the local paper, who was trying to keep the amusement park from being finished because it would interfere with his ability to smuggle information to the Russian spies off the coast, as the latest roller coaster was high enough to see the sub off the coast. The publisher, as the Destroyer, was sending threatening notes to his own newspaper to prevent the roller coaster from being completed.

    And with that, the Human Torch, who everyone has to know is Johnny Storm, has defended American democracy.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    The West is reeling from the news that the USSR had a spy submarine off the East Coast.

    This episode takes place:

    After the public has learned of the USSR spy mission off the East Coast, and have learned that they have Johnny Storm to thank for protecting their country.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 19: Norse Mythology... LIVE! (Journey Into Mystery 85) -- October 1962 May 03, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss if we should “update our priors” based on a second superpowered individual who appears to be based on Norse Mythology.

    In this issue:

    The issue begins in Asgard, with Loki recounting how he ended up imprisoned in a tree. He finagles his escape and immediately heads to New York City to take revenge on his brother, Thor, who is entertaining children in the hospital and otherwise being a pretty decent guy/god. In order to get Thor’s attention, Loki disfigures people. Thor races to their aid as Loki had planned, and returns the people to normal. The brothers eventually fight, in full view of the city dwellers, with Loki showing his deviousness and Thor his bravery and strength. Loki, realizing the battle is lost, tries to escape on a winged horse, although Thor is able to catch him. Thor then ties Loki to his enchanted hammer Mjolnir and hurtles them both back to Asgard. And with that, the city is saved!

    Assumed before the next episode:

    People are starting to question whether gods are real, as they have now seen two gods from Norse mythology continue their eternal struggle in front of them.

    This episode takes place:

    After the city has been rescued by Thor, and Loki has been returned to Asgard.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 18: More Aliens (Fantastic Four #7, Part 2) -- October 1962 Apr 30, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss Reed’s claim that the mass mind control event that shook America was the work of aliens, and that his team travelled to an alien star system and back in a matter of days. Also: who owns the space ship that the Fantastic Four returned in?

    In this issue:

    The Fantastic Four travel to Planet X, and they get to work trying to save the people of Planet X. Reed develops a reducing gas which will shrink all of the inhabitants so that they will fit on the two spaceships and avoid extinction. Once they are safely on another planet, they will be returned to form with an enlarging gas that Reed has developed. The people are all shrunk and escape on one ship. All except for Kurggo, who took possession of the enlarging gas and was intent on using it only for himself so that he will be able to maintain control over the people. He somehow missed getting onto the ship. It turns out that there was actually no enlarging gas - Reed had lied about it.

    The Fantastic Four then return home, the new owners of a spaceship capable of travelling well beyond the speed of light.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    Reed explains that the mass hatred was due to aliens, that the Fantastic Four traveled to the alien home world and “solved the problem,” and returned with a space ship. He also explained that the journey to the planet only took a few hours.

    This episode takes place:

    After the Fantastic Four returned to Earth and explained what happened.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

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