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    148: Why We Need Critical Thinking Even More in 2022 Jan 04, 2022
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    Akemashite Omedetou Gozaimasu! Or, in English, Happy New Year!

    We kick off this first episode of 2022 by reintroducing ourselves, so you know who we are and where we're coming from as you listen to all the episodes to come (because you're following our show on your favorite podcast app, right?). But we also did that so we can begin engaging a skill that is urgent to focus on this year - namely, critical thinking.

    In today's episode, we dive into the booming economic statistics from the US and how that stands in stark contrast to the majority of Americans who disapprove of the state of the economy, and how our news sources may be playing an outsized role in our perception of reality. There are psychological trends we want to steel ourselves against, because this applies to the Big Lie, or the January 6th insurrection, or COVID vaccines, or racism, or basically any topic that you've read about or heard about or discussed that's been in the news lately.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • How to say Happy New Year in Japanese! Plus, Sara & Misasha's personal backgrounds
    • Factual statistics about the out-performance of the US economy in 2021, in stark contrast to polling data showing American disappointment with the economy
    • What psychological forces are at play when we take in negative news, what we can know and do to keep ourselves from falling into common traps, and why we think critical thinking is the biggest tool we need to sharpen in 2022

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    147: Year-End Recap (Cheers to 2022!) Dec 28, 2021
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    Well, we made it to the end of 2021. As we think back on this year, we're sharing not only a little bit about the podcast and Dear White Women platform (along with our favorite episodes and guests), but also looking back at some key events of 2021, and what we did for self-care and community. Our hope for you is to listen, reflect, and think about what you're going to do to make change going into 2022.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • Dear White Women achievements from the year, including our most memorable episodes and conversations
    • What the world went through in 2021 that leads us to say we're at a major turning point of our country's democracy
    • What we can each commit to doing in 2022

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    146: What Side of History Were You On in 2021? Dec 21, 2021
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    We're finally done with 2021… but if 2020-2021 taught us anything, it's that this period of time we are living through will be examined in the history books. Our grandkids will be asking us what life was like during the global pandemic, where we were during the January 6 insurrection, and what we did to stand up against the racial and social injustices that were made so painfully clear during this time.

    So, as we re-cast this first episode of the year with you as a recap, consider what YOU did this year to make change - and what side of history you ended up finding yourself on. Then, think about how you want to show up in 2022!

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • Anger - how white anger is viewed differently than anger expressed by people of color, and where white anger can be expressed without repercussion (hint: it's pretty much everywhere)
    • The power of White women and some reasons why concepts that many believe should be central to all women are not supported by a large portion of this voting bloc
    • Conspiracy theories - what makes people vulnerable to them, and what to do about them
    • Empathy - how and why White liberals sought legal equality in the Civil Rights Era without believing Black people to be their equals, and what true empathy might look like

    Where to order your copy of Dear White Women: Let's Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism: https://thecollectivebook.studio/dear-white-women

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    145: Tackling Anti-Racism with Empathy, with Syah B. Dec 14, 2021
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    One thing that we've found to be true, from discussions around the book, to how to have uncomfortable conversations around the dinner or holiday tables, to sharing the stories that we are so lucky to be able to get to do on this podcast - it all comes back to how this work, the hard work of inclusion, anti-racism, and how to make lasting change, has to start first from within. We have to see each other as humans first, and find those commonalities so that we can then address our differences. Cancel culture isn't working out. We need bridges in order to be able to see that new world.

    This skill of looking within - it's something that we talk about so much with our kids and their learning but something that we, as adults, largely brush to the side as one of those nebulous "nice to haves". But that's where we go wrong. We need empathy now more than ever, and today's guest, Syah, is here to show us how to approach conversations - and indeed, all the spheres of influence that we each hold - with that empathy that we need to make intentional, lasting change. There were light bulb moments for both of us throughout this podcast, and we'd love to hear if any came up for you all as well.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • The power of empathy, and the role it plays in anti-racism work
    • What resistance Syah sees in talking about empathy in the workplace
    • Specific exercises we can do to boost our empathy skills - these were BRILLIANT

    About Syah:

    Syah is a creative strategist, able to design and facilitate transformative experiences that expand one's awareness of themselves, other cultures, and oppressive systems. Their goal is to shift our standards for workplace culture to be more sustainable and empowering for marginalized communities. A seasoned social justice educator, Syah is able to use their counseling psychology background to unveil hard truths in intentional ways that can be received, processed, and acted upon. Syah also serves as a proud board member of two LGBTQ+ led nonprofit organizations. Joy as Resistance which is dedicated to promoting the hope and joy of LGBTQIA2+ youth through comprehensive mental health and wellness services. And Envision: You who Supports LGBTQ+ folks struggling with mental and behavioral health challenges.

    Where to order your copy of Dear White Women: Let's Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism: https://thecollectivebook.studio/dear-white-women

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    144: The Sisters Are Alright: Stereotypes Black Women Face, with Tamara Winfrey-Harris Dec 07, 2021
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    One of the questions that often has come up around our recent publication of our book (leave us a review on Amazon!) is what it was like to write the book during the end of 2020. And one of the things that always sticks out to us is that the problems, the racism, the treatment of non White people in this country that we wrote about in great detail throughout the book, didn't get fixed in 2020, or 2021. In fact, every single chapter that we wrote in the second and third sections of the book has reoccurred numerous times over since we wrote the book. We're not in some post racial world here. We didn't fix racism because people suddenly realized that it was still happening sometime in the summer of 2020.

    And our next guest knows that all too well. Tamara Winfrey-Harris wrote The Sisters Are Alright in 2015, and just released a second edition to this book this year. Not because racism is over, or we figured out intersectional feminism, or that we're even all on the same page - not at all. The second edition includes so much more information about the stereotypes and experiences of Black women in America, what we need to know when it comes to intersectional feminism, interracial friendships, and simply co-existing with and respecting everyone. In the end, the sisters are alright. But that doesn't mean that we don't have a ton of work to do - so start by listening in and reflecting on your own perceptions, experiences, and things YOU can do differently.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • The four stereotypes of Black women, and how they play out in our society today (and take a moment to reflect - do you see any of these yourself?)
    • Tamara's thoughts on if White women can be allies (spoiler alert: YES!), and what allyship really means
    • Ways to combat our tendency to lump people into stereotypes, and instead, challenge ourselves to see people's intersectionalities and identities - their humanity

    About Tamara Winfrey-Harris

    Tamara Winfrey-Harris is a writer who specializes in race and gender and their intersection with politics, popular culture, and current events. She is the author of Dear Black Girl: Letters from Your Sisters on Stepping into Your Power, and she has been called to share her analyses in media outlets such as NPR's Weekend Edition and Janet Mock's So POPular! on MSNBC.com. Her work has also appeared in countless outlets such as The New York Times, The Atlantic, Los Angeles Times, Bitch Magazine, Ms. and other media. Winfrey-Harris is Vice President of Community Leadership and Effective Philanthropy at the Central Indiana Community Foundation, and she speaks at university campuses nationwide. She has dedicated her life's work to advocating for Black women and girls and defying destructive social narratives that limit their potential. She is co-founder of Centering Sisters, LLC, which unapologetically addresses the needs and issues of Black women, girls, and femmes. Learn more at TamaraWinfreyHarris.com.

    Where to order your copy of Dear White Women: Let's Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism: https://thecollectivebook.studio/dear-white-women

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    143: Decolonizing Wellness, with Dalia Kinsey Nov 30, 2021
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    Our next guest is not only the author of a book we both can't wait to read - Decolonizing Wellness - but also talks specifically to those individuals who are at the intersection of BIPOC and LGBTQ identities. When you think about bodies, beauty, and self-care, that's often a group that gets lost, not only in popular consciousness but also in media portrayals of what is considered desirable or attractive. And, when you're struggling to be seen, or fit in, or even survive - this can be devastating.

    This was yet again one of those conversations that we didn't want to end, and each of us walked away with different ways to think about not only our own bodies, but what we put in them, how we interact with those around us with regard to wellness - especially kids, and ways in which we can better support and understand the struggle of marginalized individuals when it comes to preconceived notions of health and beauty.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • How cisgender, heteronomative, Eurocentric standards of beauty that we see in mass media add to the body image concerns of queer people
    • Additional challenges to body positivity when it comes to people who are both BIPOC and LGBTQ+
    • Knowing and listening to our own bodies better, including what we put into them
    • Kids, nutrition, and diet culture

    About Dalia:

    Dalia Kinsey is a Registered Dietitian and Inclusive Wellness coach with over 10 years of experience working at the intersection of holistic wellness and social justice in public and private sectors. Dalia rejects diet culture and teaches people to use nutrition as a self-care and personal empowerment tool to counter the damage of systemic oppression. On a mission to spread joy, reduce suffering, and eliminate health disparities in the LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC community, Dalia leverages years of experience creating safer spaces for clients to help teams build communication skills that create a solid foundation for inclusion and belonging. Host of the Body Liberation for All podcast and author of Decolonizing Wellness: How to Escape the Diet Trap, Heal Your Self-Image, and Achieve Body Liberation; A QTBIPOC-Centered Guide to Self-Love, Dalia continually creates wellness tools and resources that center the most vulnerable, individuals that hold multiple marginalized identities. Dalia's work can be found at https://www.daliakinsey.com/

    Connect with Dalia:

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    142: Here's HOW to Have Those Uncomfortable Holiday Conversations Nov 23, 2021
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    We've been asked a lot about how to have uncomfortable conversations lately - namely, the reality that, yikes, my people are coming over for the holidays and how on earth do I handle it when those uncomfortable, racist, inappropriate comments and jokes come up? (Because let's be real - they're coming up.)

    While there is no official checklist for success, we DO have quite a number of tips to help guide you and your group into more meaningful, engaging conversations around your holiday table.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • Tips for before, during, and after your holiday gatherings
    • A selection of these tips include:
      • knowing yourself and your why,
      • setting healthy boundaries,
      • using our favorite question "what do you mean by that?"
      • using "I statements,"
      • questions you can use to reflect on what worked/didn't work after the event.
    • You'll want to listen to the short episode to get the whole range of how to use these tips and more!

    Where to order your copy of Dear White Women: Let's Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism: https://thecollectivebook.studio/dear-white-women

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    141: Ending Racism with Shelly Tygielski and Justin Michael Williams Nov 16, 2021
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    When we sat down to talk with our next two guests, we were already big fans. They had presented as part of the Embodied Social Justice certificate course that we had taken together this summer, and their theme was clear: how we end racism. In one generation.

    So, if your immediate reaction is one of incredulity, then maybe you need to hear this episode more than you think. Because their method is not one of hammering hard facts into people's heads - it's an approach based primarily on love, compassion, and our shared humanity. We talk in-depth about the conversations that can bring seemingly opposite people together, even when issues of politics and race would normally divide them. (And - if you're looking for more tips on how to HAVE those uncomfortable conversations that may be happening in the next couple of weeks around your own holiday tables, we've got those details in depth next week!). At the end of our chat, we realized that this was the conversation we all, collectively, need to have, if we're really serious about moving the needle when it comes to racism.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • The importance of processing a timeline for ending racism - running TO a goal, instead of running AWAY from a goal
    • How self-care plays into dismantling racism
    • What happens when people focus on the humanity in each other versus constructs such as political or racial divides
    • A specific method - if only for today - that focuses on the intentions we can all bring to our daily lives to begin the process of ending racism

    ABOUT JUSTIN:

    From growing up with gunshot holes outside of his bedroom window, to sharing the stage with Deepak Chopra, Justin Michael Williams knows the power of healing to overcome. He is an author, top 20 recording artist, and transformational speaker who is using music and meditation to wake up the world.

    When he was younger, Justin always wanted to be a singer, but a lifetime of being bullied, teased, and abused, made him give up his dream. Then after a seminal moment with his dying grandmother, Justin woke up—and his debut album premiered in the top 20 of the iTunes charts next to Britney Spears and Taylor Swift. He has since been featured by Billboard, Grammy.com, SXSW®, and shared on stages alongside some of the most compelling leaders of our time, including Marianne Williamson, Deepak Chopra, and Chaka Khan.

    With over a decade of teaching experience, Justin has become a pioneering voice of color for the new healing movement—between his podcast, keynotes, and motivational online platforms, Justin's teachings have now spread to more than 40 countries around the globe.

    Justin is dedicated to using his voice to serve. To being a beacon of hope for those who are lost, and to making sure all people, of all backgrounds, have access to the information they need to change their lives.

    "When people wake up to their own brilliance—it's like magic," says Williams. 'If my work and art can inspire people to do that, then I've fulfilled my mission."

    His first book, Stay Woke: A Meditation Guide for the Rest of Us, was released nationwide February 11, 2020.

    ABOUT SHELLY:

    Shelly Tygielski is the author of the book, Sit Down to Rise Up: How Radical Self- Care Can Change the World, which launched on October 26, 2021 from New World Library. She is also the founder of Pandemic of Love, a global, grass-roots, volunteer-led mutual aid community that has directly matched over 1.7 million people since the beginning of the COVID- 19 pandemic, accounting for over $57 million in direct transactions. Her work has been featured in over 100 media outlets including CNN Heroes of 2020, Forbes, Upworthy, The Kelly Clarkson Show, CBS This Morning, the New York Times and Washington Post.

    Shelly has been hailed by individuals from President Joe Biden to Arianna Huffington, and Dr. Jon Kabat-Zinn to Maria Shriver. Shelly is a trauma-informed mindfulness teacher named one of the "12 Powerful Women of the Mindfulness Movement" by Mindful Magazine in 2019. She teaches formalized self-care and resilience practices at organizations around the world, and is widely regarded as a self-care activist. She is happily married to her husband, Jason, and is an adoring mother to her son, Liam. As part of her own self-care, Shelly makes time for skateboarding, playing guitar and making craft cocktails. Since mid-2020, Shelly and Jason have been relocating every few months, exploring and adapting to a modern nomadic lifestyle.

    Where to order your copy of Dear White Women: Let's Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism: https://thecollectivebook.studio/dear-white-women

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    140: Becoming Abolitionists, with Derecka Purnell Nov 09, 2021
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    We first heard about our guest today when we were all participating in the Edelweiss Book Fest as Editors' Picks and couldn't get her, or her book, out of our heads. While "abolition" has been a word largely associated with slavery, it has taken on a new meaning when it comes to the police in America. Yes, we know - this word is scary. Police reform can seem daunting. But Derecka Purnell not only understands that, but she has a framework for how we need to be thinking about this process, and what new structures can be built in its place.

    Listen in to hear more about becoming abolitionists, the lack of history of White resistance, Derecka's own personal thought journey, and so much more. We really enjoyed this conversation - and learned so much - and hope you do too.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • How Derecka's views of the role of the police changed from her childhood to her organizer days
    • Why police reform is something that affects all of us, not just BIPOC individuals
    • Why the history of White resistance is missing in our history books, and what that means for abolishing the police or other similar movements

    About Derecka: DERECKA PURNELL received her JD from Harvard Law School and works to end police and prison violence by providing legal assistance, research, and training to community-based organizations through an abolitionist framework. Her work and writing has been featured in the New York Times, NPR, The Atlantic, the Boston Globe, Harper's Bazaar, Cosmopolitan, The Appeal, Truthout, Slate, and many other publications. She is the co-creator of the COVID19 Policing Project at the Community Resource Hub for Safety Accountability.

    Where to order your copy of Dear White Women: Let's Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism: https://thecollectivebook.studio/dear-white-women

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    139: Vote for Humanity, AGAIN Nov 02, 2021
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    If you're listening to this episode on the day it's released, this is Election Day in the United States. So, if you haven't gone to vote yet, and you're not in a mail-in ballot state, go do that and come back and listen - or, if you're not sure if you're going to vote, you may want to listen right now and make time to get out and cast your ballot.

    Because this Election Day is really important, especially if you're in states like Virginia.

    Why? Well, according to Heather Cox Richardson: "We are in an existential fight to defend our democracy from those who would destroy it. People seem to hark back to films from the 1930s and 1940s and think that so long as we don't have tanks in our streets, our government is secure. But in this era, democracies die more often through the ballot box than at gunpoint."

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • Why voting at this particular juncture in history is actually part of an existential fight to preserve our democracy - and we're not exaggerating
    • The real-life revelations about people who tried to overturn the election - and who barely failed; still, the 33 new election laws we've seen passed in 19 states will not fail.
    • Resources you want to have, like the Hotline to the Election Protection network: https://866ourvote.org/ or 866-OUR-VOTE, if you see something or have a question.

    Where to order your copy of Dear White Women: Let's Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism: https://thecollectivebook.studio/dear-white-women

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