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    Join multi-ethnic co-hosts Sara + Misasha – two wickedly smart, heart-led, long-distance best friends – as they help folks talk smarter and think deeper about the world around us. Whether it’s about science, history, current events, social justice, or more, their community consists of people who want to be better humans, to benefit all of us.

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    158: Loveboat Reunion, with Abigail Hing Wen Mar 15, 2022
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    For those of you who grew up not seeing yourself in books, or for those of you who did, but want to understand what that may be like for others - this next episode is one you don't want to miss.

    Today, we're so excited to speak with Abigail Hing Wen, the author of both the New York Times bestselling book Loveboat Taipei and her newest book, Loveboat Reunion, and hear all about her writing journey, why she writes YA books, more about the characters in Loveboat Reunion, and why it's so important to have more Asian voices and characters, or really, diverse characters doing very normal things, in the books that we read and those that we share with others.

    What to listen for:

    • Abigail's journey to writing - including when she and MIsasha intersected at law school!
    • How Abigail wants to move the needle on representation, and what representation even means
    • The decision to write an Asian character with a learning difference - and the reaction from her audience about it
    • Writing from experience vs writing from research, and the tenacity required to get a book of this quality out. 26 drafts!!!!!

    About Abigail:

    "Abigail Hing Wen has a knack for trying and succeeding at new things." Forbes 2021

    Abigail is a New York Times Best Selling Author, a rare woman-in-tech leader specializing in artificial intelligence, a new filmmaker as well as a wife and mother of two. She writes and speaks about tech, AI ethics, women's leadership, implicit bias, equity, and transforming culture.

    Abigail penned the New York Times best-selling novel, Loveboat, Taipei (sequel, HarperCollins 2022). She is executive producing the book-to-film adaptation with ACE Entertainment, creators of the Netflix franchise, To All the Boys I've Loved Before. She and her work have been profiled in Entertainment Weekly, Forbes, Fortune, Cosmopolitan, NBCNews, Bloomberg, Google Talk, and the World Journal, among others.

    Abigail holds a BA from Harvard, where she took coursework in film, ethnic studies, and government. She also holds a JD from Columbia and MFA in writing from Vermont College of Fine Arts. In her career in tech, she has negotiated multibillion-dollar deals on Wall Street and in Silicon Valley, worked in venture capital, and hosted Intel's Artificial Intelligence podcast featuring leading industry experts including Andrew Ng, Facebook's Chief AI Scientist Yann LeCun, and US Congresswoman Robin Kelly. She also serves with the Partnership on AI. "One of the most respected voices in fairness and AI." Forbes.

    Abigail lives with her husband and two sons in the San Francisco Bay Area. Her third novel (2023) explores cognitive differences in Silicon Valley and she is writing her fourth novel and a feature film script based in Silicon Valley, as well as producing a girls-in-tech animated series.

    For more information: www.abigailhingwen.com

    Follow IG/Twi: @abigailhingwen


    157: All About Great Girlfriends, with Sybil Amuti Mar 08, 2022
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    Today is International Women's Day, which is 8 days into Women's History Month. So it's no surprise that we are here with Sybil Amuti, the founder of The Great Girlfriends platform, to talk about friendships, community, and so much more, especially as it relates to women.

    This conversation was also a great reminder of two things: (1) we have women in our lives 365 days out of the year, not just 31; and (2) it's important to include ALL women when we talk about women, as sometimes (and you might have caught this from the title of our show) that definition of women seems to include only White women. So let's jump in.

    What to listen for:

    • The need for there to be groups that support women of color - like Great Girlfriends!
    • How to process the impact that the pandemic has had on relationships, and how we can all begin rebuilding friendships as we navigate through a rebuild
    • What White women should think about as they develop cross-racial friendships
    • Trends Sybil has seen in corporations and their commitments (or not) to DEI

    About Sybil:

    Sybil Clark Amuti is an executive brand strategist, podcast producer, host, philanthropist, wife, and mother. She holds a B.S. in urban studies from Dillard University and an M.S.in urban planning from Columbia University. For over 15 years, Sybil has delivered world-class strategy and brand direction to some of the world's most renown personal, corporate, and philanthropic brands, such as Scholastic, Nike, Sony Entertainment, Target, Nascar, Conde Nast, Tony Robbins, Feeding America, Red Table Talk and more. Her company, Legacy Row, is focused on legacy brand building and creating an alliance of like missioned brands who seek to create an impact on a local to a global level.

    Sybil also serves as the creator and co-host of The Great Girlfriends Show, a podcast conversation series created to connect women with daily tips and solutions for living a passionate everyday life and building a thriving business. Under her direction, The Great Girlfriends has served over 700,00 women with content and experiences that support their growth journey. She is also the creator and executive producer of The Grace Podcast, which is dedicated to providing practical spiritual development for Christian women.

    As a philanthropist, Sybil is passionate about youth mentorship, eradicating hunger, and educational equality for girls around the world. She extends financial support, personal time, and attention to Covenant House and Feeding America.

    Sybil is a wife of 15yrs and a mother to 13-year-old old Sam and 10-year-old old Dylan. She resides in California.

    For more on Sybil:

    https://sybilamuti.com/about-sybil/

    About Great Girlfriends:

    https://thegreatgirlfriends.com


    156: Reclaiming Your Community Mar 01, 2022
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    Community. Gentrification. Generational wealth. Low status. Brain drain. When you read those terms, what comes to mind for you? If you know what those words mean, have you thought about how they play out in your own neighborhoods? Because even if you haven't seen these dynamics at play yourself, they are definitely happening where you live. And we're going to tell you why that matters - not only to you but to the future of your neighborhoods and communities, regardless of whether you're in a big city or a small town.

    Today we are so fortunate to be able to sit down with Majora Carter and discuss her new book, Reclaiming Your Community. She not only talks to us about all of those terms we mentioned but also about the non-profit industrial complex - which, if you've ever supported or are part of a non-profit, you want to understand - and poverty level economic maintenance, which may be one of those things you saw but didn't understand until it's pointed out to you. So get ready to think more broadly about the communities you know in ways that you never expected.

    What to listen for:

    • The role that "well-meaning" non-profits play in low-status (to be differentiated from low-income!) communities
    • Understanding poverty-level economic maintenance - you know it when you see it
    • Envisioning a world where reinvestment in the community can lead to talent-retention in low-status communities - a powerful alternative to gentrification
    • Getting comfortable with being uncomfortable

    About the author: MAJORA CARTER is a real estate developer, urban revitalization strategy consultant, MacArthur Fellow, and Peabody Award-winning broadcaster. She is responsible for the creation and successful implementation of numerous economic developments, technology & green infrastructure projects, policies, and job training & placement systems. Carter applies her corporate consulting practice focused on talent-retention to reduce Brain Drain in American low-status communities. She has firsthand experience pioneering sustainable economic development in one of America's most storied low-status communities: the South Bronx. Majora is quoted on the walls of the Smithsonian Museum of African-American History and Culture in DC: "Nobody should have to move out of their neighborhood to live in a better one". She has served on the boards of the US Green Building Council, Ceres, The Wilderness Society, and the Andrew Goodman Foundation. Carter has helped connect tech industry pioneers such as Etsy, Gust, FreshDirect, Google, and Cisco to diverse communities at all levels.

    Website: http://www.majoracartergroup.com/

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/majora-carter-8649529/

    Insta: https://www.instagram.com/majoracarter/?hl=en

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/majoracarter


    155: When can we go back to America, with Susan H. Kamei Feb 22, 2022
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    If you're listening to this episode at the time of release, we're three days past a momentous anniversary in United States history - and one that you may have never heard of. On February 19th, 1942, 80 years ago, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 into law. This was the law that effectively incarcerated over 120,000 American citizens on US soil during World War II. Their offense? Being ethnically Japanese.

    Think about your own ethnic heritage. Where were your ancestors from, before they came to America? Then imagine, that country does something against America, and your government rounds you up, strips you of most of your possessions, and throws you into an incarceration camp for years. Some kids who grew up there didn't even realize they were still on US soil, wondering, when can we go back to America?

    And that's the title of the book, When Can We Go Back to America? written by Susan Kamei whom we are speaking with today. In it, she pulled together history, and strikingly, many, many first-person narratives that illuminate this horrific period in American history - one period that isn't taught or, if it's taught, taught well in our country. But it's a storyline that we need to be well aware of if we don't want our country to repeat these atrocities again. Because we've come close. And we may be close yet again.

    What to listen for:

    • What Executive Order 9066 did, led to the forced removal of persons of Japanese ancestry from the West Coast and detained them in internment camps for the duration of World War II.
    • Susan's experience as a sansei - third-generation Japanese American - and how incarceration impacted her family
    • How Susan used personal narrative and history to tell this story that had not been woven together in such detail before
    • Why we all need to be talking about this part of our country's history and the importance and power of standing up together against injustice

    If you want to hear more about life in and after the internment camps, listen to Episode 138 of Dear White Women: Who Do We Call Americans? With John Tateishi by clicking here

    If you want to read more Asian American narratives with your children:

    • Baseball Saved Us
    • Eyes that Kiss in the Corners
    • I Am An American

    ABOUT THE BOOK:

    On February 19, 1942, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066, which put in motion the forced removal of persons of Japanese ancestry from the West Coast and their detention in desolate interior locations for the duration of World War II. Approximately 120,000 men, women, and children were detained in hastily constructed government facilities rimmed with barbed wire and armed guards. Two-thirds of those incarcerated were American-born citizens. The US government justified wresting the Japanese Americans from their homes, educations, and livelihoods under extreme duress and imprisoning them as a "military necessity." From the elderly to babies, all those with even "a drop of Japanese blood" were presumed to be disloyal and potential saboteurs, simply because they shared the race of a wartime enemy.

    Through first-person accounts of individuals who lived through this harrowing time as young people, When Can We Go Back to America? delves into the real reasons for the incarceration and reveals the falseness of the "military necessity" narrative that has been perpetuated in the decades since World War II. Their stories tell of the profound consequences that the incarceration had on their lives and of the long-term social, economic, and psychological harm they have suffered as a result of the government's unconstitutional actions. Yet their voices and biographies also share moving accounts of their resilience, bravery, and enduring belief in democratic principles. They speak to us over the passage of time to provide perspective on issues of racial identity, immigration, and the meaning of citizenship today

    ABOUT SUSAN:

    SUSAN H. KAMEI is the granddaughter of Japanese immigrants. Her maternal grandparents were part of the Japanese classical music community in Los Angeles' Little Tokyo, and her paternal grandparents were vegetable farmers in Orange County.

    During World War II, her mother and her parents were incarcerated at the Santa Anita Assembly Center in Arcadia, California, and at the War Relocation Authority camp in Heart Mountain, Wyoming. Her father, together with his grandparents, parents, and siblings, were detained at the WRA camp known as Poston II in Arizona.

    Susan graduated from the University of California, Irvine with B.A. degrees in Russian and Linguistics, summa cum laude, and received her J.D. from the Georgetown University Law Center, where she was an editor of the Georgetown law journal Law and Policy in International Business.

    From the time she was in law school in Washington, DC and while she practiced corporate law, Susan was a member of the legislative strategy team for the Japanese American Citizens League (JACL) in the successful passage of federal legislation that provided redress to Japanese Americans for their wartime incarceration. She has been recognized for her service in the redress campaign, which included volunteering as National Deputy Legal Counsel for the JACL Legislative Education Committee.

    She now teaches undergraduate students at the University of Southern California (USC) in the Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences about the constitutional, historical, and political issues of Japanese American incarceration and the importance of those issues today. She also serves as the managing director of the USC Spatial Sciences Institute.

    For her contributions to the USC community and for enriching the educations of students of color and LGBTQ students, she received the 2018 USC Undergraduate Student Government Community Achievement Award. She also was recognized for her leadership and service in business, academia, and the community with the "Woman of Courage" Award in 2000 from the Friends of the Los Angeles City Commission on the Status of Women.


    154: Who We Are, with Emily and Sarah Kunstler Feb 15, 2022
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    There are those moments when you watch something, or learn something, that changes how you see not only yourself, but our history, along with the future, completely differently. That's how we felt about Who We Are, a new documentary featuring Jeffrey Robinson, produced by Robinson and our two guests: Emily and Sarah Kunstler. I feel fortunate to have first met both of these amazing women when Sarah and I were in law school together and have only this to say about the film: everyone should see it. Everyone.

    In this episode, we talk to Emily and Sarah about the impetus for this amazing documentary, why this conversation is so important, and additionally why it's imperative that EVERYONE understand our country's foundational struggles, as we move forward collectively. This isn't just a film about Black history. This is a film about our American history. We can't wait for you to hear more in their own words.

    What to listen for:

    • The inspiration for Who We Are, stemming from Jeffrey Robinson's long-standing presentation - and what it was like for two White women to partner with a Black man to share his story and work
    • Thoughts on cancel culture as it stands in society today
    • How you can watch this eye-opening, accessible introduction to the true history of the United States

    About our guests:

    Emily Kunstler (Producer/Director/Editor) and Sarah Kunstler (Producer/Director) are the founders of Off Center Media, a documentary production company dedicated to racial justice and social change. Their film, William Kunstler: Disturbing the Universe (Sundance '09, POV/PBS), was shortlisted for the Best Documentary Academy Award. The film is an examination of their father's life and choices, tracing his career as a civil rights lawyer and fighter for racial justice, as well his representation of society's most despised. Other Off Center Media films have contributed to campaigns to stay executions, convince decision makers to reopen cases, and exonerate the wrongfully convicted. For more on their work, please visit www.off-center.com.


    153: A Kids Book About Racism, with Jelani Memory Feb 08, 2022
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    At the time that A Kids Book About Racism was published, there was no other book like this. There was no other book written FOR kids talking directly about racism, let alone a book that was written by someone who looked like Misasha's mixed-race kids. She still has that copy; they've read it as a family countless times, and the kids have read it themselves a ton since then. Since then, she's added about ten more A Kids Book About books to her family library.

    Today we have the true honor of talking with Jelani Memory, the founder of A Kids Co, who sits down with us to talk about something that's close to our hearts: talking to our kids.

    How do we talk to them? What do we talk to them about? And what do kids REALLY want to talk about?

    We dive into these questions, and so many more, on this episode, which is a must-listen for parents - or really, anyone who has an interest in how this generation of kids are going to show up in the world as adults.

    What to listen for:

    • What prompted the move from a single A Kids Book About Racism to an entire company, A Kids Co, which aims to empower your kids to be their best selves
    • How the publishing industry received this brand new, intentional, diverse book publishing model
    • Jelani's tips for how parents can have uncomfortable conversations with their children about race, and more
    • The positive impact open conversations have - and the effect shutting them down can have - on the long-term parent-child relationship

    About Jelani:

    Jelani Memory is a constantly curious writer, entrepreneur, and storyteller. He lives in his hometown of Portland, OR, with his wife and six kids.

    Related Links:

    A Kids Co – buy one or an entire series of books for your kids and you to open up conversation!

    You Are Not Alone – the new children's book from the Alphabet Rockers


    152: Why We Need to See Midlife Women, with Valerie Albarda Feb 01, 2022
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    Middle age. What comes to mind? Next question: When you think of a woman who's aged somewhere between her early 40s and mid 60s, who do you picture? And if you're not one of then, when you're thinking about women in this age range, how do they show up in your daily life? Do they show up? And, what race is the woman you pictured?

    Depending on your answers, and your own stage of life, you'll process the conversation with our next guest in different ways; something personal to you, or something that you might need to open your eyes to, especially if you're in any sort of people-facing business. No matter what, it's a conversation that we should all be having more frequently. For us, our big takeaway was that there is more than just the maiden-mother-sage concept to the trajectory of womanhood: there is also the queen phase. That's midlife. And that's what Valerie Albarda talks with us about, to make sure midlife women are not made to feel invisible - with the extra layer of what it's like to be a midlife woman of color.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • The definition of midlife
    • What is the invisibility trifecta, and why is it important for society to be aware of it?
    • What are the things we can all do to open our eyes to the value that midlife women - in particular midlife women of color - can bring to the table?

    About Valerie: In 2015, Valerie Albarda decided to take off her blinders and go through life with her midlife eyes wide open by embracing this dynamic and opportunistic time in her life. That same year, she created the website, Midlife-A-Go-Go, to help women navigate this pivotal time in their lives and to understand that they can enjoy the midlife and skip the crisis. In 2018, she added "Midlife-A-Go-Go the podcast!" to her roster. Her podcast meets women where they live – in the second spring of life – and has candid conversations on the ups, the downs and the "everything in between" of midlife.

    Valerie is a recent TEDx speaker with her Talk, "The Invisibility Trifecta: Coming Out of the Shadows." In her Talk, she focuses on one of society's forgotten demographic: midlife women of color. She takes the idea of the 'invisible woman syndrome' one step further and sets out to disrupt the mindset that midlife women of color are disposable.

    Valerie is a writer, author, podcaster, and speaker. Her writings have appeared across the web, including on HuffPost, Find UR Cool, Kindra and Midlife Boulevard.

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    151: Change Begins with Breathing, with Kim Thai Jan 25, 2022
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    Have you ever felt like you don't belong somewhere simply because of one or more of your identities? Being biracial, we've felt that way in various settings - sometimes all White crowds, sometimes Asian affinity groups. And sometimes in rooms full of men… anyway, you get the picture. And what we can say is that growing up that way leads to a lot of introspection, learning to tune into our own intuition to listen to the messages it's trying to tell us, and working to stop prioritizing our brains - which, if we're honest, can justify and try to explain away a lot and make us feel like we're not "enough" and need to keep going - and listen our body's messages instead. It's something we are still working on. I don't know if we can say it enough - we think the inner work of self awareness is the foundation of being able to do the outer work of tackling racism. And it's work that people of all races can be part of.

    That's why we're so grateful that Kim Thai of Ganesh Space was willing to take the time to speak with us today about her experiences as a queer Asian woman, a person who brings mindfulness to her spaces in order to help dismantle internalized oppression.

    Warning that today's episode does drop a few explicit words in it, so mind those ears.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • The power of influence that parents can have, and how Kim was led to meditation and mindfulness - and ultimately, the creation of Ganesh Space
    • What is internalized oppression?
    • Looking at the small things, like when we say "I'm sorry" as a way to make change
    • The importance of having separate spaces for marginalized community members to heal, and how many people who point out the segregation tend to be in the dominant culture
    • How to think about self-care, joy, and mindfulness to incorporate more of them in our daily lives

    About Kim Thai: Kim Thai is an Emmy-award winning producer, writer, activist, and mindfulness teacher.

    She is the founder of GaneshSpace, a community organization dedicated to creating spaces to dismantle internalized oppression and explore identity through the lens of intersectionality. She also served as the Assistant Director of Heights Meditation, a non-profit offering free meditation to Upper Manhattan in NYC and is currently and advisor at YAP Media, an upcoming podcast production company.

    She has produced video series for TED, MTV, Discovery, TLC and Animal Planet; and written for FORTUNE, Newsweek, USA Today and the Associated Press, among others. (More of her professional history here.) And is currently creating issue-based campaigns for SEIU, the world's second largest labor union in the world.

    She believes fiercely in the power of storytelling, understanding your body and being unapologetically yourself. She also loves to take a #yolopilgrimmage (™) as often as possible.

    Born and raised in Houston, Texas (like Beyoncé), she is the proud daughter of two Vietnamese War refugees and has 5 nephews, all of whom she loves equally. She moved to NYC more than a decade ago to attend J-School at Columbia University, after applying 48 hours before the deadline. She currently lives in Washington Heights with her partner and two cat-sons, Watson and Charlie, who have a larger Instagram following than her. Follow Ganesh Space on Instagram here!

    Buy our book, Dear White Women: Let's Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism, and leave us a review on Amazon!

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    150: What to Do to Protect Voting Rights and Abolish the Filibuster Jan 18, 2022
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    We had a different episode planned for this week, but in light of the fight that is going down in the Senate right now, we needed to re-release this episode on the filibuster, with a special introduction as to why we should all care about the Freedom to Vote Act and The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, and encourage you to call your Senators to act on the filibuster.*

    * If you're part of the Trump-backed forces of authoritarianism, you probably don't care. But if you truly want America to be a democracy in its current state (and if you love parts of the Constitution, you should probably be all about this too) - you should be really loudly vocally supporting both bills.

    The problem with bills like these though is that, much like a theory like CRT, people make judgments about what they THINK are in those bills rather than actually sitting down and reading them. And, as a great email from Heather Cox Richardson pointed out, "It's worth reading what's actually in the bills because, to my mind, it is bananas that they are in any way controversial." We break this down, and then tell you all about the filibuster, so that you're empowered to use your voice to protect democracy.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • A brief history of voter suppression and the role of the filibuster in legislative action
    • An explanation of what the filibuster is and how it has been employed and changed
    • What the filibuster has been used for (to block progressive legislation)
    • How we can and should address the future of the filibuster
    • A reminder to call the US Capitol Switchboard a 202-224-3121 to call your Senator and tell them you want the voting rights protection bills to pass

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    149: On Colorism, with Mita Mallick Jan 11, 2022
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    If you've been on LinkedIn recently, it's likely that someone you know has liked something that our next guest has written - because her posts are just THAT GOOD. But it wasn't just her LinkedIn activism that made us want to sit down with her today - it was some impactful articles that she wrote, including one for Cosmopolitan in 2019 and one for the Harvard Business Review in 2021, that made us excited to talk about something that we haven't really touched on, on the podcast to date: colorism.

    If you're sitting there asking yourself, what is colorism, or what does that have to do with race, systemic racism, and how we look at people - then marketing and advertising, as we've known it to always exist in the United States, has largely been doing its job. But that doesn't mean it's the right job - in fact, today, we're going to talk all about why it's so important to understand colorism as a fundamental piece of our systems that affect us all (like racism), and also the very personal impact that it can have on people. We're here to learn in 2022, and to keep asking those questions that make us think deeper and challenge what we've always been told.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • What is colorism?
    • How colorism has impacted Mita personally, as she shares in her piece in Cosmopolitan
    • The clear ways that the marketing industry still has a problem, as she writes in Harvard Business Review
    • Other industries that need to be aware of the impact of our bias towards lighter skin

    About Mita: Mita Mallick is a corporate change-maker with a track record of transforming businesses. She gives innovative ideas a voice and serves customers and communities with purpose. She is currently the Head of Inclusion, Equity and Impact at Carta. She was formerly the Head of Inclusion and Cross Cultural Marketing at Unilever. She has had an extensive career as a marketer in the beauty and consumer product goods space. Mallick is a LinkedIn Top Voice, a contributor for Entrepreneur and Harvard Business Review, and her writing has been published in Adweek, Fast Company and Business Insider.

    She is also the cohost of the recently launched The Brown Table Talk Podcast, where she and Dee Marshall share stories and tips on how to help Women of Color win at work, and advice for allies on how they can show up.

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    Like what you hear? Don't miss another episode and subscribe!

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