Voices of Search // A Search Engine Optimization (SEO) & Content Marketing Podcast

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Optimize for AI or Traditional Search? Jun 26, 2025

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The AI vs. traditional search optimization debate isn't as binary as it seems. Tyler Einberger from Momentic explains why fundamental SEO principles work effectively across both environments. He discusses prioritizing technical implementations like server-side rendering for LLM visibility, addressing measurement challenges in AI search environments, and adapting strategies based on how different platforms crawl and index content.

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How do you see zero-click searches evolving with AIO and LLM on rise? Jun 25, 2025

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Zero-click searches are evolving rapidly with AI and LLMs. Tyler Einberger from Momentic explains how this trend is already impacting SEO measurement and visibility. He discusses the growing challenges of data attribution when users stay within search platforms, the importance of triangulating analytics to demonstrate SEO value, and why properly accounting for direct traffic is becoming critical for accurate organic performance assessment.

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ClickStream data will be the most helpful search data moving forward? Jun 24, 2025

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Is clickstream data the future of search intelligence? Tyler Einberger from Momentic challenges this assumption, arguing that clickstream's 10-30% accuracy margin limits its precision for detailed analysis. He advocates for combining clickstream with first-party data to understand market direction while using server logs to measure performance, emphasizing how user agent data reveals critical insights about website access patterns and crawl efficiency opportunities.

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SEO, GenAI/LLMs As Search, Lack Of Performance Data For SEO Professionals Jun 23, 2025

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SEO faces disruption from generative AI and LLMs as search alternatives. Tyler Einberger, Co-founder and Head of Growth at Momentic, shares clickstream data revealing ChatGPT users are 2.3 times more likely to click through to external websites than Google users. The report examines changing user behavior across platforms, highlights the measurement challenges of app-based traffic, and demonstrates how Google's defensive product strategy aims to maintain its dominant market position against rapidly growing AI competitors.

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Investing in comprehensive data clean up vs AI content expansion for AI rankings Jun 21, 2025

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When resources are limited, SEO teams face tough investment choices. Martha van Berkel, CEO of Schema App, advocates prioritizing comprehensive data cleanup before AI content expansion. She explains that websites often contain irrelevant content that dilutes authority, making cleanup essential for establishing a baseline before strategic expansion. Martha recommends following cleanup with targeted investment in high-quality, knowledge-rich content that serves both generative AI and human users effectively.

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One word that describes the current state of search in the GenAI era Jun 20, 2025

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In the GenAI era, search is "behind" according to industry experts. Martha van Berkel, CEO of Schema App, explains why most SEOs remain too tactical rather than strategic in their approach to AI-driven search. She advocates for cross-functional collaboration, executive education about zero-click searches, and structured data implementation to bridge the gap between traditional SEO metrics and the new search landscape.

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Why LLMs Fail (and why AI alignment is needed) Jun 20, 2025

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LLMs fail because they're prediction machines, not fact machines. Michelle Robbins, Manager of Strategic Initiatives and Intelligence at LinkedIn, explains why AI models produce inconsistent responses and require critical evaluation. She advocates treating LLMs as thought partners rather than absolute authorities, emphasizing the critical importance of AI alignment to prevent harmful outputs and ensure optimal human outcomes as we progress toward artificial general intelligence.

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The New Sp[AI]ce Race Jun 19, 2025

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The AI race is transforming search engine strategies. Michelle Robbins, Manager of Strategic Initiatives and Intelligence at LinkedIn, shares insights from her decade of tracking AI's evolution in search. She examines Google's cautious approach to AI integration, the challenges of monetizing AI-driven search experiences, and why companies must diversify beyond search engines to build sustainable audience acquisition strategies.

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Will using AI to automatically generate schema markup at scale be a trend or trash? Jun 19, 2025

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Is AI-generated schema markup at scale effective? Martha van Berkel, CEO of Schema App, explains why automated schema generation falls short of understanding business nuances and human search intent. She argues that while AI can create basic drafts, it cannot properly define the complex relationships needed for a complete knowledge graph, requiring human expertise to craft meaningful schema that truly represents business data models.

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How will the relationship between structured data and generative AI evolve over the next 18 months? Jun 18, 2025

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Structured data's role in AI is rapidly evolving. Martha van Berkel, CEO of Schema App, examines how structured data will become a critical data feed for large language models beyond traditional SEO applications. She explains why data with context is essential for reducing hallucinations in AI models, and predicts that frameworks and protocols will become increasingly important for organizing information that feeds into generative systems.

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