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    “Upstream” with Erik Torenberg

    You’ll hear consequential ideas here first, and in the mainstream months later. Upstream is a curated nexus feed from the Turpentine podcast network, bringing you expert-level conversations hosted by some of the most compelling thinkers in the world including Noah Smith, Samo Burja, Byrne Hobart, Erik Torenberg, and Nathan Labenz.
    Guests include Marc Andreessen, Balaji Srinivasan, Dario Amodei, Brian Armstrong, David Sacks, Sam Harris, Katherine Boyle, Curtis Yarvin, and many more unmissable conversations.

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    E40: Develop Your Personal Investing Strategy with Itay Vinik Jan 05, 2024
    Show notes

    On today's Upstream, Erik interviews Itay Vinik to get an overview of the markets and current macro environment, learn frameworks for adjusting an investing strategy based on rising or falling interest rates, and debunk common investment myths. They cover the Federal Reserve's role in a globalized economy, discuss the strategies that stabilize markets, and evaluate different asset classes during economic shifts. Upstream is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period.


    Itay Vinik is the Co-Founder & Chief Investment Officer at Equi (https://www.equi.com/), an alternative investment platform that brings investment strategies to accredited investors.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist


    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.


    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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    SPONSORS: BEEHIIV | SHOPIFY

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period


    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (04:57) Understanding Alternative Investments

    (12:21) The Impact of Interest Rates on Investments

    (14:00) Sponsors: Shopify

    (17:59) Understanding the Role of the Fed

    (23:52) Investing Strategies for Different Economic Conditions

    (33:52) Debunking the Inverse Correlation of Stocks and Bonds

    (35:44) Stock Market vs. Real Economy

    (42:24) Predicting a Potential Recession

    (42:34) The Fed's Track Record and the Possibility of a Rate Hike

    (44:03) The Consequences of Increasing Rates

    (44:50) Understanding Quantitative Easing and Tightening

    (47:10) The Role of the Fed in Money Creation

    (01:10:19) The Impact of Globalization on the Fed's Decisions

    (01:13:22) Understanding China's Currency Manipulation

    (01:14:37) The Debate on Passive vs Active Investing

    (01:20:09) The Power of Real Estate in Wealth Creation


    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E39: Balaji Srinivasan and Nathan Labenz on AI's Future, Human-AI Symbiosis, and AI Control Dec 29, 2023
    Show notes

    On today's Upstream, we're sharing a recent episode where Balaji Srinivasan joins Nathan Labenz to discuss the future of AI: polytheistic AI and AI gods, human-AI symbiosis, and how AI will be controlled. Upstream is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period.


    This episode is a feed drop of The Cognitive Revolution, where Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview builders on the edge of AI and explore its dramatic shift over the next decades. Listen and subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai/

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist


    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.


    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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    SPONSOR :

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg

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    @labenz (Nathan)

    @balajis (Balaji)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod (Upstream)

    @TurpentineMedia

    @CogRev_Podcast (Cognitive Revolution)

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (01:41) Exploring the Concept of AI in the Context of Evolution

    (02:34) Technical Aspects of AI and its Future

    (05:25) Challenges in AI: Time Varying and Rule Varying Systems

    (05:54) AI in Practical Utility and Jobs

    (07:11) AI Progress and Uncertainties in the Near Future

    (08:17) AI and the Concept of Generative Intelligence

    (08:25) Adversarial Input

    (10:36) Sponsor: Shopify

    (25:11) Offense and Defense

    (25:48) Sponsor: Shopify

    (40:49) Impact on Blue America

    (45:39 AI Regulation and the Concept of Software FDA

    (48:45) The Future of AI

    (49:00) The Role of AI in the Tech Industry

    (50:18) Exploring the Potential of AI Technology

    (53:57) The Mathematical Constraints of AI

    (55:23) The Future of AI: Cryptography and Chaos

    (57:16) The Impact of AI on Human Evolution

    (57:19) The Practical Difficulties of AI Implementation

    (01:02:34) The Future of AI: Amplified Intelligence

    (01:05:11) The Future of AI: Man-Machine Symbiosis

    (01:09:09) The Future of AI: Polytheistic AI

    (01:17:53) Amplified Intelligence Revisited

    (01:29:02) The Future of AI: The Impact on Blue America

    (01:30:14) AI in Healthcare

    (01:30:34) The Role of Human Intelligence in AI Development

    (01:31:24) The Impact of AI on Job Market and Environment

    (01:32:27) The Role of AI in Robotics and Training

    (01:33:50) The Actuator Concept in AI

    (01:35:06) The Impact of AI on Cryptography

    (01:37:54) Data Analysis

    (01:41:00) The Role of AI in Bridging Different Modalities

    (01:45:28) The Future of AI in a Global Context

    (01:59:56) The Future of AI in a Tribal Perspective

    (02:04:26) The Future of AI in a Global Perspective


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E38: Holiday Special: Request for Startups Dec 22, 2023
    Show notes

    This week, in a departure from Upstream's usual format, Erik sits downs with friends Nick DeWilde, Sean Linehan, and Justin Mares to exchange startup ideas in a new format called "Request for Startups." Please note that this episode contains some vulgar humor and won't be for everyone.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist


    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.


    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

    --

    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

    --

    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Live Players with Samo Burja

    Join host Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the mindsets of today's most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. You'll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. Listen to Live Players: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers.

    --

    SPONSOR:

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

    --

    X / TWITTER:

    @jwmares (Justin)

    @seanlinehan (Sean)

    @nick_dewilde (Nick)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

    --

    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Preview

    (01:25) Intro

    (02:03) Fake jobs for rich families

    (06:59) Ending San Fransisco burglaries

    (10:50) Better prenups

    (13:13) Brunch x Benihana

    (15:44) Sponsor: Shopify

    (19:40) Fit Club

    (24:40) Justin's story from being a janitor at LA Fitness

    (26:49) Generative AI applications

    (37:26) Holistic fertility treatment

    (42:31) Combining workspaces with other services

    (44:58) Retraining software engineers

    (47:15) Quora for people

    (49:57) Wrap

    --

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Graham Bessellieu

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E37: Noor Siddiqui on embryo screening, the fertility crisis, and parenting Dec 15, 2023
    Show notes

    In this episode, Erik sits down with Noor Siddiqui, founder and CEO of Orchid. They discuss Orchid's recent breakthrough in embryo whole genome sequencing, the fertility crisis, parenting, dating, and more.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist


    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.


    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

    --

    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

    --

    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Live Players with Samo Burja

    Join host Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the mindsets of today's most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. You'll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. Listen to Live Players: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers.

    --

    SPONSOR:

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

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    LINKS

    Orchid: https://www.orchidhealth.com/

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    X / TWITTER:

    @noor_siddiqui_ (Noor)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Preview

    (01:06) Intro

    (01:26) What is Orchid?

    (04:13) Genome sequencing for embryos: What Orchid has accomplished

    (07:00) The breakthrough that enabled Orchid's genome sequencing

    (08:32) The impact and significance of the polygenic risk score

    (11:59) What is IVF

    (15:19) Sponsors: Shopify

    (20:04) Concerns and stigmas around reproductive technology

    (26:10) On the Gattaca future where parents create perfect children

    (27:54) Moral panic around longevity

    (30:32) Anything that can improve things can be used in very hostile ways

    (33:30) What are the norms around having kids going to be 30-40 years from now

    (36:55) Noor's thoughts on declining fertility rates

    (42:13) Matchmaking and dating

    (48:21) Is the decline of men a real thing?

    (50:20) Increasing fertility rates, moving the culture, and the negative effects of fertility collapse

    (1:07:37) Trying out Orchid and how the test works

    (1:09:16) Wrap

    --

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Graham Bessellieu

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E36: Beff Jezos on doxxing, e/acc, and why crypto will save AI Dec 08, 2023
    Show notes

    Beff Jezos, the anonymous co-founder of the effective accelerationism movement (also known as "e/acc") recently had his identity revealed by Forbes reporters. He gives the inside story to Erik Torenberg, Antonio Garcia Martinez, Dan Romero, his e/acc cofounder Bayeslord, and The Cognitive Revolution podcast host Nathan Labenz. Make informed decision for high impact donations with GiveWell, which is offering Upstream listeners donation matching up to $100. To claim your match, go to https://www.givewell.org ➡️ pick “Podcast” and enter "Upstream with Erik Torenberg" at checkout.

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    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: LIVE PLAYERS

    Join host Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the mindsets of today’s most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. You’ll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. Listen and subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers.

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    SPONSORS: SHOPIFY

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

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    X / TWITTER:

    @BasedBeffJezos (Beff)

    @bayeslord (Bayeslord)

    @dwr (Dan)

    @antoniogm (Antonio)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Episode Preview

    (02:23) The inside story

    (05:28) How did Beff's identity get revealed by these reporters?

    (12:27) Why should journalists get to decide who gets to be anon?

    (16:13) Beff's academic background in quantum computing

    (18:33) Why Beff started the anon account

    (20:52) Sponsor: Shopify

    (22:30) What's next for e/acc

    (27:37) Overcentralization of AI

    (29:56) Where the alpha is

    (35:42) Sponsor: Givewell

    (42:12) Decels and the rebellion

    (48:37) Why is big tech so bad & 2024 elections

    (51:00) AI Leaderboards

    (53:44) Crypto and AI crossover

    (58:08) Decentralizing the AI supply chain

    (01:04:24) Hardware & Extropic technology

    (01:09:24) Utility of e/acc

    (01:14:52) What is the e/acc gospel

    (01:22:20) What is the near term for AI?

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    Upstream is a production from Turpentine

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Michelle Poreh

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E35: Samo Burja on Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and George Soros Dec 01, 2023
    Show notes

    In this episode, Erik sits down with Samo Burja, political scientist and founder of Bismarck Analysis. They discuss Samo's term "live player" and today's live players, including Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and George Soros.

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    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

    --

    RELATED PODCAST

    Join host Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the mindsets of today's most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. You'll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. Listen to Live Players: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers.

    --

    SPONSORS:

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

    --

    X / TWITTER:

    @SamoBurja (Samo)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

    --

    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Episode Preview

    (01:50) What are "live players?"

    (05:05) Samo’s worldview

    (10:35) Reflections on the energy transition

    (15:35) Sponsor: Shopify

    (18:40) Sam Altman as a live player

    (22:25) OpenAI’s culture vs Microsoft’s culture

    (25:45) Sam Altman vs Elon Musk vs Peter Thiel

    (30:35) Sponsor: Oracle

    (32:40) Understanding different perspectives on capitalism

    (33:45) The role of live players in society

    (38:05) Can we train live players?

    (43:20) The evolution of live players

    (48:10) Philanthropists as live players: Bill Gates, the Kochs, etc

    (55:50) The paradox of open society advocates

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    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Graham Bessellieu

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E34: Byrne Hobart on Sam Altman, Meta vs Google, and Effective Altruism Nov 24, 2023
    Show notes

    In this episode, Erik is joined by Byrne Hobart, author of tech and finance newsletter The Diff, to discuss Sam Altman's ousting from OpenAI, Microsoft's role in the story, and the new competitive landscape for AI companies.

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    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

    --

    RELATED PODCAST

    Every week investor and writer of the popular newsletter The Diff, Byrne Hobart, and co-host Erik Torenberg discuss today’s major inflection points in technology, business, and markets – and help listeners build a diversified portfolio of trends and ideas for the future. Subscribe to “The Riff” with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/theriff.

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    SPONSORS:

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

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    X / TWITTER:

    @ByrneHobart (Byrne)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

    --

    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Episode Preview

    (01:00) Non-obvious thoughts about governance and legal structures

    (03:45) Could the board have found out something about Sam?

    (04:40) Tech’s online coordination and choosing sides

    (06:25) Why haven’t the OpenAI board shared their reasoning?

    (12:20) Are they going to bring Sam back?

    (15:10) What should OpenAI’s pivot be?

    (17:30) Sponsor: Shopify

    (20:30) Analyzing Microsoft's moves and the sweetheart deal

    (23:50) Satya's succession plans

    (27:15) OpenAI's unique governance structure

    (30:00) Sponsor: Oracle

    (32:15) Why Byrne is long Microsoft

    (40:10) What explains Microsoft's turnaround?

    (42:15) Meta and Google

    (48:10) Which of these companies Byrne would short: Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, Microsoft

    (50:20) Was this a coup from the Effective Altruism movement?

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    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Graham Bessellieu

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


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    E33: The Untold History of Nuclear Energy with Packy McCormick and Julia DeWahl Nov 17, 2023
    Show notes

    Today on Upstream we’re dropping a special episode of Age of Miracles which dives into the rise and fall of nuclear power in the 20th century, and what we can learn about pushing nuclear into the 21st century.

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    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Episode Preview

    (00:50) Erik introduces Age of Miracles

    (03:03) Two narratives of nuclear energy

    (06:43) Nuclear’s early history and rise

    (12:26) The start of the fall

    (15:20) Sponsors: Shopify | Oracle

    (23:08) Five key factors that led to nuclear’s decline

    (23:30) Factor #1: the AEC

    (29:00) Factor #2: good old-fashioned economics

    (30:30) Sponsor: Shopify

    (34:21) Factor #3: regulation

    (46:25) Factor #4: the environmentalists

    (54:05) Factor #5: the nuclear disasters

    (57:53) Recap of the historical lessons

    (1:02:49) Wrap

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    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Graham Bessellieu

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


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    E32: Balaji on SBF and the Israel-Hamas War Nov 10, 2023
    Show notes

    Balaji Srinivasan returns to Upstream for an unfiltered conversation about recent events: SBF's conviction and the conflict in the middle east.

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    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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    Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Episode Preview

    (01:20) Why should we still care about the SBF story

    (05:17) An uncensored Twitter exposed the crimes

    (08:25) Why the system got an F on SBF

    (11:30) Why the network succeeded over the state

    (15:10) Sponsors: Shopify | GiveWell

    (18:00) Actual crimes vs political crimes

    (20:00) Did the press coverage force the indictment?

    (22:00) Why didn’t the state move faster if all the pieces were there?

    (29:30) Political fallout

    (30:30) Sponsor: Oracle

    (40:00) Progressive Muslim alliance

    (42:40) Pro Middle Eastern tech

    (47:50) Support for anti-Israel is where support for gay marriage was in 2000s

    (48:20) TikTok is global public opinion minus India and China

    (50:35) Should America intervene in the Middle East?

    (52:30) The six regimes

    (55:30) War with China

    (57:00) Retribalization of society

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.


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    E31: Sam Lessin on Why We’re Heading into a New Era of Venture Nov 03, 2023
    Show notes

    Erik is joined by Sam Lessin, General Partner at the early-stage VC firm Slow Ventures, essayist, and former VP of Product at Facebook.

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    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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    SPONSORS:

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00:00) Episode Preview

    (00:01:00) On Screenshot Essays, writing, and being OK with being wrong

    (00:03:54) Sam’s thesis on the factory system of venture capital

    (00:07:18) What does venture look like when the factory line is over?

    (00:10:10 Sam’s bearishness on YC and a16z

    (00:-) What are the best firms going to look like in the future?

    (00:15:08) Sponsor: GiveWell | Oracle Cloud Infrastructure

    (00:17:47) The future state of company building and venture

    (00:19:16 On the fake unicorns in the past decade and what the next 10 years of unicorns might look like

    (00:23:15) The biggest factors of luck in life and company building

    (00:24:29) Sam’s thesis on constellation software

    (00:28:01) Thoughts on the studio model of venture

    (00:30:20) Team Shares and why that’s Sam’s most bullish investment

    (00:33:06) Sponsors: Vanta

    (00:34:31) Why Sam is bullish on crypto

    (00:39:47) The different models of finance and investing in creators

    (00:43:11) Sam’s advice for future investors in 2040

    (00:46:16) Is the LP landscape going to change significantly?

    (00:48:10) On consumer social

    (00:50:20) On VC firms and indexing

    (00:52:54) Lower variance founders

    (00:57:16) Kardashians and the future of media / celebrity

    (00:58:48) Sam on Balaji’s protech and anti-journalist class

    (00:59:50) What could have made Twitter a $100b company?

    (1:02:17) How can we represent social capital on the internet?

    (1:03:48) On the end of capitalism

    (1:07:24) Slow Ventures today and where they expect to go in the future


    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.


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