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    Technology

    “Upstream” with Erik Torenberg

    You’ll hear consequential ideas here first, and in the mainstream months later. Upstream is a curated nexus feed from the Turpentine podcast network, bringing you expert-level conversations hosted by some of the most compelling thinkers in the world including Noah Smith, Samo Burja, Byrne Hobart, Erik Torenberg, and Nathan Labenz.
    Guests include Marc Andreessen, Balaji Srinivasan, Dario Amodei, Brian Armstrong, David Sacks, Sam Harris, Katherine Boyle, Curtis Yarvin, and many more unmissable conversations.

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    E50: Alex Blania on Worldcoin, AGI, and Future Predictions Mar 15, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on Upstream, Erik is joined by Alex Blania, who, with Sam Altman, co-founded Tools for Humanity, the organizarion behind Worldcoin. Erik and Alex go deep on Worldcoin, AGI, and other future tech. To get Brave: Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Sourcery by Molly O'Shea

    Sourcery by Molly O’Shea brings the conversations founders and investors have behind closed doors into the light. Subscribe for upcoming episodes with: Delian Asparouhov of Founders Fund and Varda Space, and Chris Power of Hadrian.

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2Ni3Tese9CtZa3oxpCjgTg

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SourceryVC

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    SPONSOR: BEEHIIV | BRAVE | SQUAD

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Get first-party targeting with Brave’s private ad platform: cookieless and future proof ad formats for all your business needs. Performance meets privacy. Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.


    💥 Access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to choosesquad.com and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.

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    LINKS:

    Worldcoin: https://worldcoin.org/

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (01:16) WorldCoin: From AI to Cryptocurrency

    (06:02) Solving the Proof of Identity Problem

    (10:11) The Orb: A Revolutionary Biometric Device for WorldCoin

    (12:53) Sponsor - Brave |

    (13:58) Turpentine Ad

    (14:36) Addressing Privacy Concerns and Misunderstandings of WorldCoin

    (15:50) WorldCoin as the Largest Financial Network

    (17:06) Navigating Controversies and the Future of WorldCoin

    (20:05) On Building WorldCoin

    (25:56) Engaging with Governments and the Global Landscape

    (28:29) Safeguarding WorldCoin and the Influence of Vitalik Buterin

    (31:10) Partnerships, Lessons from Sam Altman, and AGI's Future

    (38:06) Exploring Other Game-Changing Technologies

    (42:14) WrapX / TWITTER:

    @alexblania (Alex)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

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    Upstream is a production from Turpentine

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Eul Jose Lacierda


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E49: The Legacy of Effective Altruism with Igor Kurganov Mar 08, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on Upstream, Erik is joined by Igor Kurganov, poker player and founder of Raising for Effective Giving. They discuss similarities between poker and Effective Altruism, the successes and failures of EA, and where EA should go next. To get Brave: Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.


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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Investing City

    The Investing City Podcast helps you improve at investing, business, and life: learn from some of the brightest minds in business such as the CEO of Walmart, Morgan Housel, or billion-dollar fund managers.

    Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7tV2EIrKXXUPxO0jpUaLlX

    Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-investing-city-podcast/id1448079153

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    SPONSOR: BEEHIIV | BRAVE | SQUAD

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Get first-party targeting with Brave’s private ad platform: cookieless and future proof ad formats for all your business needs. Performance meets privacy. Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.


    💥 Access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to choosesquad.com and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.

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    LINKS

    Raising for Effective Giving: https://reg-charity.org/

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    X / TWITTER:

    @IgorKurganov (Igor)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (01:01) Math, Poker and Igor’s Journey into Effective Altruism

    (03:40) The Evolution of Effective Altruism

    (05:15) Critiques and Challenges of Effective Altruism

    (08:00) Limitations and Misapplications of Effective Altruism

    (10:42) Effective Altruism’s Approach to AI Safety and Pandemic Risks

    (12:54) Igor on Criticisms and Misunderstandings of EA

    (17:17) Sponsor - Brave

    (18:19) The Balance between Centralization and Decentralization in Effective Altruism

    (24:41) Utilizing Philanthropy to Address Market Failure

    (26:41) Critique of Utilitarianism

    (29:29) The Influence of Politics in EA

    (40:13) Appreciating Effective Altruism

    (42:31) Will EA be Here to Stay?

    (47:24) Wrap

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    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Eul Jose Lacierda


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E48: Liron Shapira on the Case for Pausing AI Mar 02, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on Upstream, Erik is joined by Liron Shapira to discuss the case against further AI development, why Effective Altruism doesn’t deserve its reputation, and what is misunderstood about nuclear weapons. Upstream is sponsored by Brave: Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHistEvery week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more. Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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    We’re hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik’s personal team on other projects he’s incubating. He’s hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: https://eriktorenberg.com.

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    SPONSOR: BEEHIIV | BRAVE | SQUAD

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Get first-party targeting with Brave’s private ad platform: cookieless and future proof ad formats for all your business needs. Performance meets privacy. Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.


    💥 Access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to choosesquad.com and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.

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    LINKS

    Pause AI: https://pauseai.info/

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    X / TWITTER:

    @liron (Liron)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro and Liron's Background

    (01:08) Liron's Thoughts on the e/acc Perspective

    (03:59) Why Liron Doesn't Want AI to Take Over the World

    (06:02) AI and the Future of Humanity

    (10:40) AI is An Existential Threat to Humanity

    (14:58) On Robin Hanson's Grabby Aliens Theory

    (17:22) Sponsor - Brave

    (18:20) AI as an Existential Threat: A Debate

    (23:01) AI and the Potential for Global Coordination

    (27:03) Liron's Reaction on Vitalik Buterin's Perspective on AI and the Future

    (31:16) Power Balance in Warfare: Defense vs Offense

    (32:20) Nuclear Proliferation in Modern Society

    (38:19) Why There's a Need for a Pause in AI Development

    (43:57) Is There Evidence of AI Being Bad?

    (44:57) Liron On George Hotz's Perspective

    (49:17) Timeframe Between Extinction

    (50:53) Humans Are Like Housecats Or White Blood Cells

    (53:11) The Doomer Argument

    (01:00:00) The Role of Effective Altruism in Society

    (01:03:12) Wrap

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    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.


    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Eul Jose Lacierda

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E47: Rob Henderson on Life in Foster Care, Academia, and Beyond Feb 23, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on Upstream, Erik is joined by Rob Henderson, psychologist and author of the newly released Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class. They discuss dating, cancel culture, luxury beliefs, and more.

    Upstream is sponsored by Brave: Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: https://eriktorenberg.com.

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    SPONSOR: BEEHIIV | BRAVE

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Get first-party targeting with Brave's private ad platform: cookieless and future proof ad formats for all your business needs. Performance meets privacy. Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.

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    LINKS

    Buy Rob's book: https://www.amazon.com/Troubled-Memoir-Foster-Family-Social/dp/1982168536

    Rob's Newsletter: https://www.robkhenderson.com/

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    X / TWITTER:

    @robkhenderson (Rob)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (01:03) Rob Henderson's unlikely journey from foster care to academia

    (04:00) The importance of childhood stability

    (07:48) Upward mobility is not the ultimate goal

    (11:43) Sponsor | Brave

    (12:46) How to improve discussions around family and class

    (18:47) Understanding luxury beliefs

    (25:06) Why do dumb ideas capture smart people?

    (31:15) The impact of dating apps on relationships

    (38:01) How technology will affect relationships and gender dynamics

    (58:07) The future of higher education

    (01:10:03) How to improve foster care

    (01:12:50) Rob's time in the military

    (01:18:57) Rob's future goals

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    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Michelle Poreh

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E46: Lyn Alden on How Money Works Feb 16, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on Upstream, Erik is joined by Lyn Alden, an investment strategist known for her unique blend of engineering, tech, and finance expertise. They discuss her book Broken Money, macro trends, and her best advice in the face of an uncertain economic future.

    Upstream is sponsored by Brave: Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist


    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.


    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

    ---

    RELATED SHOW: 10x Capital Podcast

    Check out our show The 10x Capital Podcast with David Weisburd, where David talks to the investors behind the investors: https://10xcapitalpodcast.com/

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    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: https://eriktorenberg.com.

    --

    SPONSOR: BEEHIIV | BRAVE

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Get first-party targeting with Brave's private ad platform: cookieless and future proof ad formats for all your business needs. Performance meets privacy. Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.

    --

    LINKS

    Buy Lyn's book: https://www.amazon.com/Broken-Money-Financial-System-Failing/dp/B0CG8985FR

    Lyn's website: https://www.lynalden.com/

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    X / TWITTER:

    @LynAldenContact (Lyn)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (01:30) Lynn's book 'Broken Money'

    (09:19) The rise and fall of monetary orders

    (14:18) How technology affects money

    (19:48) Sponsor | Brave

    (20:51) The effects of a global reserve currency

    (27:28) The future of the dollar

    (34:09) Inflation and interest rates

    (44:42) What are the interesting disagreements about Lyn's ideas?

    (47:22) The implications of national debt

    (51:34) What will the effects of Lyn's ideas be?

    (56:50) Wrap

    --

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Michelle Poreh

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E45: Bayeslord and Nadia Asparouhova on Effective Accelerationism Feb 09, 2024
    Show notes

    On this episode of Upstream, Erik sits down with e/acc founder Bayeslord and writer Nadia Asparouhova to discuss the foundations and future of the e/acc movement.

    Upstream is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist


    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.


    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

    --

    Check out Erik's new show Request for Startups featuring a rotating cast of founders and investors sharing their requests for startups they want to exist in the world, and also their stories of navigating the idea maze in different sectors so founders don’t have to reinvent the wheel anymore. The first episode is out now - we cover better dating apps, references as a service, and WeWork for productivity.


    Watch and Subscribe on Substack: https://requestforstartups.substack.com/p/receipt-based-dating-reference-checks

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/request-for-startups-with-erik-torenberg/id1728659822

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/739L1LR32QI2XyoZlRh5nv

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    SPONSOR:

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify - https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

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    LINKS

    Bayeslord's and Nadia's article: https://www.piratewires.com/p/ethos-divine-age

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    X / TWITTER:

    @bayeslord

    @nayafia (Nadia)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

    --

    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Episode Preview

    (01:40) Understanding the Perception of E/ACC

    (03:14) The Impact of E/ACC on Tech Culture

    (05:38) Nadia's Perspective on E/ACC

    (14:30) Evolution of Tech Culture

    (16:55) SPONSOR: SHOPIFY

    (29:55) Influence of Elon Musk on Tech Culture

    (45:07) Leadership in E/ACC

    (47:05) Understanding Journalistic Patterns & Social Dynamics

    (48:36) Impact of Social Media

    (49:40) Role of AI in Shaping the Future

    (50:50) Social Impact of Technology: A Critical View

    (52:44) Dichotomy of Tech: Good or Bad?

    (53:42) Evolution of Web 2.0 and Its Consequences

    (55:30) Future of AI and Potential Risks

    (57:31) Philosophy of E/ACC

    (01:26:14) The Future of E/ACC: Phase Two and Beyond

    --


    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Michelle Poreh

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E44: Tyler Cowen on Harvard, the GOAT Economist, and Ending Stagnation Feb 02, 2024
    Show notes

    On this episode of Upstream, Erik sits down with Tyler Cowen to discuss Harvard, AI, Javier Milei's legacy, the value of non-legibility in talent spotting, and more.

    Upstream is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period.

    --

    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist


    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.


    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

    --

    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

    --

    Listen to the 10X Capital Podcast: https://10xcapitalpodcast.com/

    --

    SPONSOR:

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify - https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

    --

    LINKS

    Read Tyler's new book for free: https://econgoat.ai/

    Tyler's blog: https://marginalrevolution.com

    --

    X / TWITTER:

    @tylercowen (Tyler)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

    --

    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (02:48) Tyler's new book GOAT: Who is the Greatest Economist of all Time and Why Does it Matter?

    (05:19) Javier Milei and dismantling bureaucracy

    (08:50) Who is the GOAT economist?

    (12:29) AI, economic growth, and fertility

    (16:58) Sponsor | Shopify

    (18:34) Policies for managing population decline

    (28:44) Emergent Ventures & talent spotting

    (31:59) The value of non-legibility

    (33:25) Predictions about Harvard

    (35:38) The Future of Higher Education

    (37:45) How Twitter and Harvard are related

    (40:22) How to think about group differences

    (43:43) Bronze Age Pervert on Nietzsche and postliberalism

    (46:45) Rawls's veil of ignorance

    (48:19) Tyler on his career and legacy

    (52:45) The future of the University of Austin

    (56:58) Wrap

    --

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Michelle Poreh

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E43: Richard Hanania on Wokeness, Israel-Palestine, and the Mythos of the Modern Right Jan 26, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on Upstream, political scientist and writer Ricard Hanania returns to the show. Erik and Richard discuss wokeness, the Israel-Palestine conflict, the mythos of the modern right, Richard's upcoming debate with Curtis Yarvin, and more.

    Upstream is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist


    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.


    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

    --

    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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    SPONSOR:

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify - https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

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    LINKS

    Richard's Substack: https://substack.com/@richardhanania

    Tickets to Richard's debate with Curtis Yarvin: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/yarvin-vs-hanania-monarchy-vs-democracy-moderated-by-anna-khachiyan-tickets-796276132347

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    X / TWITTER:

    @RichardHanania (Richard)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (02:31) Wokeness, DEI, and the removal of university presidents

    (06:44) How the Israel-Palestine conflict is affecting DEI

    (08:22) American sentiment towards Israel-Palestine

    (17:09) Sponsor | Shopify

    (18:46) Richard's foreign policy perspective on Israel-Palestine

    (23:02) Nietzschean Liberalism

    (25:39) How much truth can people take?

    (30:44) Technology as a spiritual north star

    (32:39) Reactionary feminism

    (38:34) Male status & birth rates

    (41:49) How important is IQ?

    (45:29) How to discuss difficult truths

    (48:00) Richard's debate with Curtis Yarvin

    (54:39) Understanding Effective Altruism

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    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Michelle Poreh

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E42: Erik Torenberg on the Evolution of Media Jan 19, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on Upstream, the tables are turned, and Erik is sitting in the guest seat. We're airing an episode the podcast Where It Happens hosted by Greg Isenberg. Greg and Erik discuss B2B creators, how to find profitable niches, how to monetize media businesses, and more.

    Upstream is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period.

    --

    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist


    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.


    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

    --

    We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

    --

    SPONSOR:

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify - https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

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    LINKS

    Greg's newsletter: https://www.gregisenberg.com/

    Greg's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@GregIsenberg

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    X / TWITTER:

    @gregisenberg (Greg)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (01:54) The rise of the B2B creators

    (04:30) Are podcasts worth investing in?

    (09:40) How to spot a profitable niche

    (11:57) Podcast acquisitions and partnerships

    (15:55) Sponsor | Shopify

    (19:04) Why media businesses are undermonetized

    (29:29) Producers are going to overtake Creators

    (39:31) Is there enough room for B2B creators?

    (45:15) Businesses that are too good for Venture Capital

    (52:55) Steal Erik’s free start up ideas

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    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Michelle Poreh

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    E41: Steve Hsu on the Future of Everything Jan 12, 2024
    Show notes

    In this episode of Upstream, Erik sits down with theoretical physicist and startup founder Steve Hsu. They discuss political polarization in academia, the fertility crisis, AI, and more.

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist


    Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.


    Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

    --

    SPONSORS: Beehiiv | Shopify

    Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "UPSTREAM" for 20% off your first three months.


    Shopify: https://shopify.com/torenberg for a $1/month trial period

    Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all ecommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one ecommerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/torenberg.

    --

    LINKS

    Superfocus: https://superfocus.ai/

    Othram: https://othram.com/index.html

    Manifold: https://www.manifold1.com/

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    X / TWITTER:

    @hsu_steve (Steve)

    @eriktorenberg (Erik)

    @upstream__pod

    @turpentinemedia

    --

    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (02:21) Political polarization in academia

    (05:47) The decline of meritocracy in academia

    (10:00) Why can't academia change?

    (13:27) Truth-seeking in startups

    (20:36) Sponsor: Shopify

    (23:36) The fertility crisis

    (32:11) AI and labor

    (41:06) What industries are safe from AI automation?

    (44:05) AI Safety vs accelerationism

    (47:51) Understanding the rise of China

    (58:46) The future of the US/China relationship

    (01:00:41) How does Steve allocate his time?

    (01:04:41) Steve's suggestions for underexplored opportunities

    --

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co

    Producer: Sam Kaufman

    Editor: Michelle Poreh

    For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact Sam@turpentine.co


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


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