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    ‘The Voices Of War’ is guided by a simple vision—to scratch below the simple narratives of war.

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    39. Toby Harnden - A deep dive into ‘First Casualty: The Untold Story of the CIA Mission to Avenge 9/11‘ Nov 29, 2021
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    My guest today is Toby Harnden, who is an author, journalist, and winner of the Orwell Prize, UK’s most prestigious prize for political writing. His most recent book, First Casualty: The Untold Story of the CIA Mission to Avenge 9/11, is the story of the first US team into Afghanistan post the attacks of September 11, 2001. A former Royal Navy officer before becoming a journalist for the likes ofThe Sunday Times and The Daily Telegraph who has subsequently reported from 33 countries, was imprisoned in Zimbabwe, and faced prosecution in Britain for protecting confidential sources, Toby is uniquely qualified to tell this story. Some of the topics we covered are: Toby’s journey into journalism, building credibility with the CIA, the story of Team Alpha, the battle of Qala-i Jangi, human terrain of Afghanistan as well as the scars of Team Alpha in the years to come.

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    My guest today is Toby Harnden, who is an author, journalist, and winner of the Orwell Prize, UK’s most prestigious prize for political writing. His most recent book is First Casualty: The Untold Story of the CIA Mission to Avenge 9/11 and will be the main focus of our discussion today. A former foreign correspondent for The Sunday Times of London and The Daily Telegraph who has reported from 33 countries, he specializes in terrorism and war. Born in England, Toby was imprisoned in Zimbabwe, faced prosecution in Britain for protecting confidential sources, and was vindicated by a $23 million public inquiry in Ireland. A dual British and American citizen, he spent a decade as a Royal Navy officer before becoming a journalist. He holds a First Class degree in Modern History from Corpus Christi College, Oxford and is the author of Bandit Country: The IRA & South Armagh (1999) as well as Dead Men Risen: An Epic Story of War and Heroism in Afghanistan (2009), for which he received the Orwell Prize. Previously based in London, Belfast, Jerusalem, Baghdad, and Washington D.C., he now lives in Virginia.

    Some of the topics we covered are:

    • Toby’s journey into war journalism
    • Building of credibility and trust with the CIA
    • How the CIA came to lead the first mission in Afghanistan post 9/11
    • The battle of Qala-i Jangi
    • Complexity of the human terrain of Afghanistan and our ultimate failure to recognise it
    • Lessons to be drawn from Afghanistan
    • Limited warfare and likelihood of its future use
    • Team Alpha scars of Afghanistan

    38. Michael Vatikiotis - Southeast Asia and its peculiar role in global politics Nov 22, 2021
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    My guest today is Michael Vatikiotis who is a writer, journalist and private diplomat working in Southeast Asia (SEA) since 1987. He was formerly editor of the Far Eastern Economic Review as well as a journalist in Asia for more than three decades. He currently lives in Singapore and is the Asia Director of the Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue, a Geneva-based private foundation that facilitates dialogue to resolve armed conflicts.

    Michael has written two novels set in Indonesia and three books on the politics of SEA, including ‘Blood and Silk: Power and Conflict in modern Southeast Asia’, which we focused on today. Some of topics we covered include: ‘delusion’ of democracy in SEA; power of the elites; question of SEA identity; Western misunderstanding of SEA; China’s influence and role; reality of regional circumstances; US/China contestation; Australia and AUKUS; reality of adjustment and accommodation as well as issues plaguing traditional and social media.

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    My guest today is Michael Vatikiotis who is a writer, journalist and private diplomat working in Southeast Asia since 1987. He was formerly editor of the Far Eastern Economic Review as well as a journalist in Asia for more than three decades. He currently lives in Singapore and is the Asia Director of the Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue, a Geneva-based private foundation that facilitates dialogue to resolve armed conflicts.

    Michael has written two novels set in Indonesia and three books on the politics of Southeast Asia, including ‘Blood and Silk: Power and Conflict in modern Southeast Asia’, which we’ll focus on a lot today, as well as ‘Political Change in Southeast Asia: Trimming the Banyan Tree’. His latest book ‘Lives Between The Lines: A Journey in Search of the Lost Levant’ was published in August this year. In addition to his books, Michael regularly writes opinion pieces for international and regional newspapers and is a regular contributor to outlets such Al Jazeera and the BBC.

    Michael is a graduate of the School of Oriental and African Studies in London and gained his doctorate form the University of Oxford.

    He joins me today to discuss social, political and cultural dynamics of Southeast Asia and the role it plays, or is likely to play, in the complex world of modern geopolitics. Some of the topics we covered include:

    • Michael’s background and journey to Southeast Asia
    • Why Western idea of democracy remains a ‘delusion’ in SEA
    • Power and influence of elites in SEA
    • Identity in SEA
    • Western misunderstanding of SEA and what makes it ‘tick’
    • Chinese influence and role in SEA
    • Diversity and values
    • Reality of ASEAN
    • US/China contestation and resulting friction in SEA
    • Peculiar reality of the region’s position
    • Sources of risks of conflict in SEA
    • Australia’s role and impact of AUKUS
    • Reality of ‘Easternisation’
    • Geopolitical struggle of adjustment and accommodation
    • Role of journalism and social media
    • Reasons behind Michael’s hope

    37. Dr Douglas Fields - On ‘Why We Snap‘ and our neural wiring for Violence Nov 15, 2021
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    Today, I spoke with Dr Douglas Fields, who is a neuroscientist and author of numerous books and articles about the brain. We discussed his excellent and important book, Why We Snap: Understanding the Rage Circuit in Your Brain, which focuses on the neuroscience that triggers rage and violence. It turns out, evolution has endowed every single one of us with nine neural pathways that, when activated, will lead to a violent and oftentimes involuntary and non-conscious response. During our chat, Doug explained these circuits—captured in the mnemonic LIFEMORTS—and how they relate to many important issues, including: their applicability to our interpersonal relationships; origins in threat detection; their unconscious nature and subsequent voluntary expression; impact of social media and technology; disproportionate effect of stress; power of genes and the environment; manifestations of violence in different genders; utility in peacebuilding; training of responses; role in PTSD and, perhaps most-importantly, geopolitics and war.

    Several previous episodes that link to the topics we discussed include:

    Role of the environment:

    • Gregg D. Caruso - On the Illusion of Free Will, Myth of Meritocracy and the need to rethink our Justice Systems
    • Arjan Verdooren - ‘Cultures don‘t meet, people do‘
    • LTCOL Dave Grossman - On killing, combat, sleep, ‘blind spots’ and everything else in between

    Geopolitics:

    • John Blaxland and Qinduo Xu - On AUKUS, US/China relations and growing tensions
    • Hasan Aygun - The Pragmatic Diplomat

    PTSD and trauma

    • Tom and Jen Satterly - The All Secure Foundation
    • Steve Dennis - On getting shot, kidnapped and the court case that sent tremors through the humanitarian aid industry
    • Will Yates and Joe McCleary - On Trial for War Crimes: A Soldier’s Experience
    • Ashley Judd – On combat, mental health and the road to recovery

    I also mentioned an article I recently published on the state of Western democracy, grey zone warfare by authoritarian states and how social media is contributing to a build-up of tension in our societies. You can view the article here.

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    My guest today is Dr Douglas Fields, who is a neuroscientist and author of numerous books and articles about the brain. He is a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, University of Maryland adjunct professor, and Chief of the Nervous System Development and Plasticity Section at the National Institutes of Health. He received advanced degrees at UC Berkeley, San Jose State University, UC San Diego, and was a postdoctoral fellow at Stanford and Yale University.

    He writes about science for Scientific American, Quanta, Outside Magazine, Huffington Post, Undark Magazine, Psychology Today, and similar prestigious outlets. His neuroscience research has been featured on national television, radio, NPR, the National Geographic and others, and he speaks about neuroscience for the general public on mediums like NPR, World Science Festival, TEDex and Google Talks.

    He is the author of three books about neuroscience for the general reader, The Other Brain, about glia, which are brain cells that communicate without electricity, Why We Snap, about the neuroscience of rage, and his new award-winning book, Electric Brain, about brainwaves, brain-computer interface, and brain stimulation. Some of the topics we discussed today include:

    • Doug’s personal experience with sudden aggression
    • Evolutionary reason why we need triggers for sudden aggression
    • Unconscious nature of this mechanism
    • Explanation of LIFEMORTS
    • Voluntary expression of unconscious mechanisms
    • Our volition and culpability for violence
    • Impact of social media and technology
    • Disproportionate effect and impact of stress
    • Link between violence and gender
    • The ‘lizard brain’ debunked
    • LIFEMORTS in geopolitics
    • The role and impact of stress
    • Utility of LIFEMORTS in peacebuilding
    • Training the conscious and unconscious responses
    • Impact of genes and environment
    • Role in PTSD

    36. Arjan Verdooren - ‘Cultures don‘t meet, people do‘ Nov 08, 2021
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    Today, I spoke with Arjan Verdooren, an intercultural communication consultant and lecturer. He is also the co-author, together with Dr Edwin Hoffman, of the book ‘Diversity Competence - Cultures Don’t Meet, People Do’, which is a deep dive into improving our individual and collective intercultural competence. Arjan has authored various other publications on intercultural communication, intercultural competence, cultural diversity, and multiculturalism. We touched on many topics, such as the origins of ‘studying’ culture; cultural relativism, universalism, and pluralism; meaning behind ‘cultures don’t meet, people do’; the TOPOI model; building rapport and how to reduce intercultural miscommunication.

    Additional episodes that explore the importance of dialogue and communication are:

    • John Blaxland and Qinduo Xu - On AUKUS, US/China relations and growing tensions
    • Stephanie Speck - Strategic Communication: A Tool For Change
    • Adam Cooper - Mediation, Diplomacy and Digital Conflict
    • Roger Noble - A Major General’s Perspective

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    My guest today is Arjan Verdooren, who has a background in communication studies and works as a consultant and lecturer in the field of intercultural communication and competence. He is associated with the Royal Tropical Institute, a knowledge centre in Amsterdam and until recently lectured at the Master in Communication program at the University of Gothenburg. He is the co-author, together with Dr Edwin Hoffman, of the book ‘Diversity Competence - Cultures Don’t Meet, People Do’, which is a deep dive into improving our individual and collective intercultural competence. Arjan has authored various other publications on intercultural communication, intercultural competence, cultural diversity, and multiculturalism.

    Throughout the fifteen years he has spent in the field, he has consulted with various organisations ranging from state departments to multinationals and NGO’s on harnessing more effective international and intercultural cooperation. He is a frequent speaker on these topics and is someone who connects theory with practitioners facing intercultural situations every day in the field.

    Some of the topics we covered are:

    • Arjan’s entry into the field of intercultural communication
    • Where the idea of ‘culture’ come from
    • Cultural relativism, universalism, and pluralism
    • Dealing with ethical challenges of cultural relativism
    • Meaning behind ‘cultures don’t meet, people do’
    • Defining ‘culture’
    • The TOPOI model of communication
    • Cultural models as refence points
    • Power and utility of narratives we tell ourselves and others
    • Importance of building rapport
    • Focusing on why people do what they do
    • Use of TOPOI in a real-life setting
    • Best way to prepare for intercultural engagement

    35. John Blaxland and Qinduo Xu - On AUKUS, US/China relations and growing tensions Nov 01, 2021
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    Today I spoke with John Blaxland and Qinduo Xu. John is an outspoken commentator and researcher on topics such as Australian military history and strategy, public policy, security, defence, and international relations. Qinduo Xu is a political analyst who frequently contributes to international media outlets on China’s rise and its interactions with the rest of the world. We discussed roots of the AUKUS partnership, difference in Australian and Chinese perspectives, China’s economic and military growth, COVID-19, Double standards, lack of transparency, projection of strength, culture and many other topics.

    You can follow John and Qinduo on their respective Twitter accounts @JohnBlaxland1 and @xuqinduo.

    I briefly mentioned an article I recently published on the state of Western democracy, grey zone warfare by authoritarian states and the dangers of social media. You can view the article here.

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    My guests today are John Blaxland and Qinduo Xu. My audience might already be familiar with John Blaxland, who’s previously been on the show. He is a Professor of International Security and Intelligence Studies and former Head of the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre at the Australian National University.

    Prior to his academic pursuits, John enjoyed an extensive career as an Intelligence Officer in the Australian Army including as the principal intelligence staff officer for the Australian contingent deployed to East Timor in 1999, as the Director Joint Intelligence Operations at Headquarters Joint Operations Command and as Australia’s Defence Attaché to Thailand and Myanmar. John is an outspoken commentator and researcher on topics such as Australian military history and strategy, public policy, security, defence and international relations.

    Qinduo Xu hosts Dialogue Weekend at China Global Television Network (CGTN), a talk show that offers in-depth analyses of current affairs. He also works as a producer of the TODAY show at China Radio International. As a political analyst who follows Chinese foreign policy closely, Qinduo frequently contributes to international media outlets such as The New York Times, Press TV, NPR, Turkey’s TRT, ABC, RT, and others.

    Qinduo majored in both English and international studies. His focus of research has been on China’s rise and its interactions with the rest of the world. Qinduo has spent years in the US as the chief correspondent for China Radio International and one year in Australia as a visiting scholar at the University of Melbourne. He is a Senior Fellow at the Pangoal Institution and an Adjunct Professor at Renmin University of China.

    Some of the topics we covered are:

    • Origins and impact of AUKUS from the Australian and Chinese perspective
    • China’s economic and military growth
    • The primacy of China and US relationship
    • China’s overseas influence operations
    • Why China did not accept responsibility for COVID-19
    • Double standards, lack of transparency, and projection of strength
    • Importance of perception, history, and culture
    • Role of globalisation in deteriorating relationships
    • Defusing tensions
    • Chinese perspective of its role and contribution to the world
    • Climate change and global challenges
    • Need for increased dialogue between US, China, and other nations

    34. Tom and Jen Satterly - The All Secure Foundation Oct 25, 2021
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    Today, I spoke with Tom and Jen Satterly. Tom is a highly decorated combat veteran who has spent 25 years in the US Army, with the last 20 in Delta Force. Jen was an award-winning filmmaker and photographer for who has spent several years as Director of Film and Photography at an elite Special Operations training company fully embedded with Navy SEALS, Green Berets, and Army Rangers. We talked about Tom’s first combat experience in Mogadishu, the price of service paid by those in uniform and their families, trauma, recovery, their joint non-profit ‘All Secure Foundation’, and many other topics.

    You can listen to previous episodes that deal with healing from PTSD, moral injury, and trauma here:

    • Steve Dennis - On getting shot, kidnapped and the court case that sent tremors through the humanitarian aid industry
    • Will Yates and Joe McCleary - On Trial for War Crimes: A Soldier’s Experience
    • Philippa (Pip) Weiland - Perspectives of an Army Psychologist
    • Ashley Judd – On combat, mental health and the road to recovery

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    My guests today are Tom and Jen Satterly. Tom is a highly decorated combat veteran, having served in the US Army for 25 years, the last 20 in Delta Force. Tom retired as the units Command Sargent Major or its most senior soldier. During his time, he has been involved in, and led, some of the US most important military campaigns. He fought in Mogadishu and was portrayed in the Oscar Winning film: ‘Black Hawk Down’, which was the longest sustained firefight of US forces since Vietnam. He has deployed countless times and led hundreds of missions including the capture of Saddam Hussein. He is the recipient of numerous medals including a Silver Star, 4 Bronze Stars, 1 of which was for Valorous acts. Beyond Tom's invaluable service in uniform, he continues to fight and win his own "silent war". Having come within seconds of taking his own life and becoming a veteran suicide statistic, today, Tom is on his most important mission to date with his wife and partner, Jen. Together, they are co-Founders and co-CEOs of the ‘All Secure Foundation’, which I’ll mention more about in a second. Tom also authored a best-selling book titled, "All Secure: A Special Operations Soldier's Fight to Survive on the Battlefield and the Homefront" available here.

    Jen was an award-winning filmmaker and photographer for 15 years, spending the last three as Director of Film and Photography at an elite Special Operations training company fully embedded with Navy SEALS, Green Berets, and Army Rangers in large-scale realistic training missions. During her time with Special Operations warriors, Jen began to see a pattern. As it turns out, many were dealing with complex Post-Traumatic Stress. This realisation motivated her to help them find a way to constructively deal with Post-Traumatic Stress and its symptoms, which sadly includes isolation, anxiety, severe depression, anger issues and a long list of medical challenges. Jen made it her mission to not only help the service member but also their families who often suffer from secondary PTS. As a result, Jen stepped away from the camera and became a certified health and wellness coach. She recently published a book titled ‘Arsenal of Hope: Tactics for Taking on PTSD, Together’, available here. Alongside with Tom, she co-Founded and co-CEOs the ‘All Secure Foundation’, a non-profit that helps Special Operation warriors and their families reconnect and heal on the Homefront. ‘All Secure’ has been recognised as a top-rated non-profit by Great Non-profits 4 years in a row and has grown to serve thousands of combat families.

    Some of the topics we covered include:

    • How Tom and Jen’s paths crossed
    • The battle of Mogadishu
    • Reality of combat
    • The civilian perspective of life in the Special Forces
    • Acceptance of trauma and the journey of healing
    • Impact of service on families and secondary PTSD
    • The cost of service in the Special Forces
    • The need to focus on mental health
    • Moral injury
    • Birth of the ‘All Secure Foundation’
    • A new purpose in life

    33. Gregg D. Caruso - On the Illusion of Free Will, Myth of Meritocracy and the need to rethink our Justice Systems Oct 11, 2021
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    My guest today is Gregg D. Caruso, who is a Professor of Philosophy at SUNY Corning. He’s also Visiting Fellow at the New College of the Humanities, and Honorary Professor of Philosophy at Macquarie University, Sydney. Gregg is also a Co-Director of the Justice Without Retribution Network housed at the University of Aberdeen School of Law.

    His research focuses on free will, moral responsibility, punishment, philosophy of law, jurisprudence, social and political philosophy, moral philosophy, philosophy of mind, moral psychology, and neurolaw. He’s published numerous books, including Rejecting Retributivism: Free Will, Punishment, and Criminal Justice (2021); Just Deserts: Debating Free Will (w/Daniel C. Dennett) (2021); Free Will and Consciousness: A Determinist Account of the Illusion of Free Will (2012); Exploring the Illusion of Free Will and Moral Responsibility (2013); Science and Religion: 5 Questions (2014) and others.

    He joins me today to talk about free will, free will scepticism, moral responsibility, and our collective views on punishment. Some of the topics we covered are:

    • Gregg’s journey into philosophy of free will
    • Dominant positions in the free will debate
    • Explaining free will scepticism
    • Social determinants and their impact on outcomes
    • The mythology of meritocracy and the idea of being ‘self-made’
    • The illusion of the ‘self’
    • Free will scepticism, justice, and geopolitics
    • Impact of the situational factors, environment, and context on behaviour
    • Importance of understanding causes that lead to genocide, atrocities, and crimes
    • Gregg’s ‘Public Health Quarantine Model’ explained

    This was a fascinating episode that will hopefully leave you with more questions than it answered. To find out more, you can visit Gregg's website here.


    32. Steve Dennis - On getting shot, kidnapped and the court case that sent tremors through the humanitarian aid industry Oct 04, 2021
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    My guest today is Steve Dennis. After working as a civil engineer in Canada in the late 1990’s, Steve started working as a field-based humanitarian aid worker in 2002. He worked in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, for various NGOs and UN agencies, which include the World Food Programme, Médecins Sans Frontières, United Nations Department of Safety and Security, and others.

    In 2012, while working with an organisation in Kenya, armed men attacked a convoy Steve was travelling in. In the attack, one staff member was killed, and Steve and two other colleagues were wounded. He and three colleagues where then kidnapped by the armed militia only to be rescued days later in another violent gunfight.

    In 2015, Steve won a precedent-setting court ruling of gross negligence against his former employer, revealing a disturbingly high level of disregard for staff safety within the organisation. The court also shed some much-needed light on the need to care for injured staff, which is another topic rarely discussed.

    Steve now works with individuals and organisations along their path from injury and grievance to recovery, as well as skills development and growth. This work is not only related to better navigating the landscapes of an organisation’s duty of care and risk management, but also capacity development in program management, leadership, and breaking stigmas on mental health issues.

    Some of the topics we covered include:

    • Steve’s entry into the humanitarian aid profession
    • Life of a humanitarian aid worker
    • Challenges of working in a refugee camp in Kenya
    • Importance of planning and appropriate qualifications
    • Getting shot and kidnapped
    • The rescue
    • Trauma, PTSD and tools that help
    • The legal battle
    • Inadequate health and legal frameworks for humanitarian aid workers
    • Impact of Steve’s precedent-setting legal win
    • Steve’s current role helping others avoid similar challenges

    You can find out more about Steve and his work here, and watch a documentary about his kidnapping here.


    31. Stephanie Speck - Strategic Communication: A Tool For Change Sep 27, 2021
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    My guest today is Stephanie Speck, who has lived and worked in more than 20 countries, accumulating almost 25 years experience as a strategy and communications adviser, supporting democratic reform in fragile and conflict-affected settings. Stephanie’s expertise includes the design and programming of cross-government reform strategies, strategic communication, and advocacy initiatives; public policy development; counter-terrorism communication strategies, government public affairs and crisis communications.

    Stephanie has launched TV channels (including the Middle East’s most popular, MBC Action); was Deputy Director of the first Palestine Investment Forum; led a US$1billion governance reform portfolio in Afghanistan; developed maternal health campaigns in the Vietnamese/Chinese border regions; worked to eliminate family voting in Albania; reported on disasters—earning her the Australian Humanitarian Award for her work post the Indian Ocean tsunami; and held several high-level public diplomacy and spokesperson roles, including as Senior Adviser to the Senior Minister of Afghanistan, the President of Somalia and the Prime Minister of Iraq.

    Stephanie has just finished almost three years leading communication and advocacy initiatives for the UN Office for Disaster Risk Reduction, in Geneva.

    Some of the topics we covered include:

    • Stephanie’s introduction to mass violence at the age of 9
    • Strategic communication as a tool for change
    • ‘Those who tell the stories rule society’
    • Revolution in communication methods
    • Transparency and visibility in communication essential for trust
    • When expectations and reality don’t align
    • Manipulation vs. Strategic Communication
    • Values vs. Interests in international development
    • Role of social media in strategic communication
    • Holy trinity of government regulation, individual responsibility, and social media companies to tackle echo chambers
    • Understanding the local context
    • Stephanie’s view on the current situation in Afghanistan

    If you've enjoyed this episode, please share it with your friends and followers. It will help grow the show and allow The Voices Of War to be heard far and wide.


    30. Adam Cooper - Mediation, Diplomacy and Digital Conflict Sep 20, 2021
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    My guest today is Adam Cooper. He is the Director of Digital Conflict for the Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue, or HD. Adam has been with HD for over a decade and now oversees a global programme of work mediating offensive cyber operations and disinformation on social media. He also hosts ‘The Mediator’s Studio’ podcast, which provides some incredible insights into what happens behind closed doors when peace agreements are negotiated.

    Prior to his current role, Adam managed HD’s Myanmar operations. And before joining HD, he coordinated election observation missions in Asia and served as an adviser to former Maldivian President Mohamed Nasheed. He has degrees from Oxford University and the Harvard Kennedy School. Adam is a Thai and UK national and currently lives in Brussels. Some of the topics we covered are:

    • Adam’s journey into the world of conflict negotiation
    • Private mediation and the work of HD
    • Why confidentiality is important when looking for alternatives to military only solutions
    • Straddling multiple diplomacy tracks
    • Lessons learned from senior negotiators
    • ‘Peace is made in stages’
    • Dangers of not negotiating with the ‘enemy’
    • Adam’s experience in Myanmar
    • Digital conflict, digital threats and understanding the problem
    • Challenge of establishing norms of online behaviour
    • ‘Freedom of speech’ vs. ‘Hate speech’
    • Responsibility of social media organisations
    • Experimentations of ‘Peace Tech'

    To find out more about the 'ups and downs' of conflict mediation, listen to 'The Mediator's Studio', available here.


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