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    The Savvy Sauce

    Do you want ideas for questions to deepen your conversations? Do you want to feel intimately connected to your spouse? Do you desire to parent with purpose? If so, tune in each Monday with Laura, a licensed marriage and family therapist who specialized in Christian sex therapy. She interviews the best faith-based speakers to answer our questions and doesn’t shy away from a wide range of difficult topics. Sexual intimacy is discussed once a month so that you can delight in your marital relationship, feel equipped to teach your children about sex, and learn practical ways to overcome hurt or addiction. Episodes on health and wellness cover topics of hormones and free lifestyle swaps, perimenopause, and what simple practices yield HUGE health benefits. Marital experts teach conflict resolution that actually works, parenting pros share wisdom from newborns to adult children, business leaders let us in on secrets of the trade, and the foundation of everything is Jesus Christ!  Find joy here and live on purpose as you consider, “What’s your savvy sauce?!”

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    Enriching Sexual Function, Part Two with Dr. Kris Christiansen: Bonus Release Jun 25, 2024
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    *DISCLAIMER* This episode includes adult content and is not intended for young ears.

    Bonus Release: Enriching Sexual Function, Part Two with Dr. Kris Christiansen

    1 Corinthians 6:12 (NIV) “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything.

    Questions and Topics We Discuss:

    1. What are a few benefits of orgasm?

    2. What is the treatment plan for clients who have never experienced an orgasm?

    3. What is Perimenopause?

    Dr. Kris Christiansen is a board-certified family physician who specializes in sexual medicine. She attended medical school and completed her residency in family medicine at the University of Minnesota. She practiced full spectrum family medicine for 10 years and then pursued additional training to specialize in sexual medicine. She works as a sexual medicine specialist at two different clinics in the twin cities. Her clinical interests include both male and female sexual dysfunction, and she loves working with individuals and couples to restore an important part of life.

    Dr. Christiansen is involved with teaching medical students and residents at the University of Minnesota Medical School, and she has presented at multiple local, national, and international medical conferences. She is involved with the International Society for the Study of Women’s Sexual Health (ISSWSH) and serves on committees, collaborates with other experts to publish articles for medical journals, and edits informational articles for the society’s new patient facing website. She is passionate about teaching patients, students, and colleagues about the importance of sexual health and well-being.

    In her free time, she started her own business called Intimate Focus which provides information and quality products to enhance and restore sexual health and wellness. She also enjoys shopping, hiking, and spending time with her family.

    Dr. Kris Christiansen's Website

    North American Menopause Society

    Women's Sexual Health Information

    ISSWSH Website

    Thank You to Our Sponsor: Savvy Sauce Charities

    Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website

    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    Enriching Sexual Function, Part One with Dr. Kris Christiansen: Top Ten from 2023 #7 Jun 24, 2024
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    *DISCLAIMER* This episode includes adult content and is not intended for young ears.

    Top Ten from 2023: #7 Enriching Sexual Function, Part One with Dr. Kris Christiansen

    Hosea 4:6a (KJV) "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,"

    Questions We Discuss:

    1. What type of sexual dysfunctions are common for your clients to experience?

    2. What all can you teach us about hormones?

    3. Will you educate us on hormone therapy?

    Dr. Kris Christiansen is a board-certified family physician who specializes in sexual medicine. She attended medical school and completed her residency in family medicine at the University of Minnesota. She practiced full spectrum family medicine for 10 years and then pursued additional training to specialize in sexual medicine. She works as a sexual medicine specialist at two different clinics in the twin cities. Her clinical interests include both male and female sexual dysfunction, and she loves working with individuals and couples to restore an important part of life.

    Dr. Christiansen is involved with teaching medical students and residents at the University of Minnesota Medical School, and she has presented at multiple local, national, and international medical conferences. She is involved with the International Society for the Study of Women’s Sexual Health (ISSWSH) and serves on committees, collaborates with other experts to publish articles for medical journals, and edits informational articles for the society’s new patient facing website. She is passionate about teaching patients, students, and colleagues about the importance of sexual health and well-being.

    In her free time, she started her own business called Intimate Focus which provides information and quality products to enhance and restore sexual health and wellness. She also enjoys shopping, hiking, and spending time with her family.

    Websites Mentioned:

    Dr. Kris Christiansen's Website

    North American Menopause Society

    Women's Sexual Health Information

    Thank You to Our Sponsor: Ring Bandits (Use code SAVVY at checkout to receive 20% off your order!)

    Other Episode Mentioned from The Savvy Sauce:

    216 Enriching Women's Sexual Function, Part Two with Dr. Kris Christiansen

    Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website

    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    School Series: Benefits of Private High School with Luke Baker: Top Ten from 2023 #8 Jun 17, 2024
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    Top Ten from 2023: #8 School Series: Benefits of Private High School with Luke Baker

    Proverbs 9:9 (NIV) "Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still; teach the righteous and they will add to their learning."

    Questions and Topics We Cover:

    1. In your private school setting, what is something unique you get to teach?

    2. What sets apart private high school from other schooling options?

    3. For parents deciding which school option is best for their family situation, what are a few of your favorite reasons to recommend they choose private high school?

    Luke Baker is an Adjunct Professor at Bradley, Illinois Central College, and former Social Studies Teacher at Peoria Christian School in Central Illinois. He is a veteran teacher, world traveler, active club sponsor, and passionate scholar of history.

    Thank You to Our Sponsor: The Sue Neihouser Team

    Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website

    Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast!

    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    School Series: Benefits of Public School with Kelsey Kirk: Top Ten from 2023 #9 Jun 10, 2024
    Show notes

    Top Ten from 2023: #9 School Series: Benefits of Public School with Kelsey Kirk

    Proverbs 3:13 (NIV) "Blessed are those who find wisdom, those who gain understanding," ‭‭ Questions and Topics We Cover:
    1. What is something you teach that is unique?
    2. What systems have you put into place in your own classroom that have been most beneficial?
    3. From your perspective, what are a few benefits of children attending public school?
    Kelsey Kirk is an enthusiastic educator, who has taught for seven years. She is faith driven and aims to show God's love, grace, and patience through her words and actions in and outside of the classroom. Kelsey holds a master's degree in reading and is currently pursuing her second masters in professional school counseling. Outside of school, Kelsey enjoys spending time with her large family and her friends (bonus points if Pickleball is involved!). Thank You to Our Sponsor: T Photography Use code SAVVY when booking to receive 10 extra full-res digital negatives in your session package! Other Episode Mentioned from Savvy Sauce: 200 Planting Seeds of Faith in Our Children with Courtney DeFeo Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”

    Cultivating Character in Our Children with Cynthia Yanof: Top Ten from 2023 #10 Jun 03, 2024
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    Top Ten from 2023: #10 Cultivating Character in Our Children with Cynthia Yanof

    Luke 16:10a (NLT) If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones.

    Questions and Topics We Discuss:

    1. As a working mom, what perspective and wisdom can you offer us parents?
    2. What are a few core values or prayers that you find to be helpful as a parent?
    3. Will you speak to the importance of independent play?

    Cynthia Yanof is an author, blogger, and host of MESSmerized Podcast. She loves Jesus, her family, foster care, and having as many friends around her as possible. She is married to Mike, and together they have three kids ranging from college age all the way down to first grade. (No, that’s not a typo.)

    She’s excited to introduce her debut book, Life is Messy, God is Good.. You can follow her on social media @CynthiaYanof, and the Pardon the Mess podcast is available on iTunes, Spotify, and all the usual places.

    Cynthia strives to be authentic, vulnerable, and full of laughter as she encourages people on the messy roads of life.

    Connect with Cynthia:

    Cynthia's Website

    Pardon the Mess Podcast

    @cynthiayanof

    Thank You to Our Sponsor: Spark Academy (Mention The Savvy Sauce to Unlock Your Special Discount!)

    Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website

    Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast!

    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    Jesus, Our Ever-Present Help in Trouble with Kent Heimer (Episode 235: Stories Series) May 27, 2024
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    235. Stories Series: Jesus, Our Ever-Present Help in Trouble with Kent Heimer **Transcription Below** Psalm 32:1 (KJV) "Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered." Kent Heimer is a Jesus-follower and grateful recipient of God's love and forgiveness. He is happily married to Jan, father to three married adult children, and grandfather to 12. Professionally, Kent is the President at Heimer Construction Company in Taylor, Missouri. Questions and Topics We Cover: When you were 13, a significant event occurred. Will you share that story with us? What did life look like, both before and after you put your faith in Jesus Christ? Even after you became a Christ-follower, you still had troubles in this world. Will you pick up your story again? Thank You to Our Sponsor: Leman Property Management Company Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Leman Property Management Company has the apartment you will be able to call home, with over 1,700 apartment units available in Central Illinois. Visit them today at Lemanproperties.com or connect with them on Facebook. Kent Heimer is my guest today, and he is a second cousin to my mom. They grew up near one another, and they even attended the same church. God has interwoven our families, and even to this day, Kent and his wife, Jan, remain dear friends of my parents. I first heard Kent's testimony as a teenager, and it has never left me. At that time, I was not yet walking with the Lord, but his story left an eternal impression on me. I am just humbled he is willing to share it again today. Here's our chat. [00:01:19] Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Kent. Kent Heimer: Laura, I am so humbled to be able to join you today. Laura, you talked about Savvy Sauce, I'd just like to share with you a little bit how I do life. I love Psalm 32:1, where it says, "Blessed is the man whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered." So as I do life, I am so thankful to be able that when people ask me how I'm doing, as a believer in Jesus, I am always blessed. Some days I'm happy, and some days I'm sad. So I never want to lie when I'm not doing well, and I don't want to tell somebody I'm doing okay, but I am safe to say that I am always blessed. [00:02:24] And it has opened the door to share the gospel so many times, countless times in my life when people say, "How are you blessed?" And they open that door, and I get to share with them Jesus. Laura Dugger: And Kent, really, as long as I've known you, which I guess has actually been my entire life, that is so true every time I hear you respond that way. Our families go way back. And as you know, my dad is one of 10 children, and my mom is one of six. So I've always been fascinated by big families. You grew up in a large family. So will you tell us a bit about your upbringing? Kent Heimer: Yes, I'd love to. I had the most wonderful parents, Laura. There was eight children in our family. There was three girls and five boys. [00:03:25] We were a typical family. Mom and dad loved Jesus, and that was their heart's desire, that their children would love Jesus also. We didn't go to church every Wednesday night. We were raised on a farm, and with the busyness of farming, that didn't always work. But on Sundays, you could always find us at a small rural church there at Taylor called the Apostolic Christian Church. Mom and Dad, as I said, were wonderful parents. They did go through some heartache and pain. I have an older sister, Linda, that only lived less than a month. She had spina bifida, so she went home to be with Jesus. I have never met her, but I certainly look forward to that time when we will be together forever and ever. [00:04:29] Like a lot of farm families, Mom and Dad went through some very difficult times, but it was encouraging for us kids to see their faith, even when they went through those difficult, difficult times. I remember in 1959, we had a large barn there on our farm full of a lot of hogs and cattle and straw and hay and equipment, and that night that barn burnt. I'll never forget the faith that I've seen in my mom and dad as they went through that difficult time. Then in '61, they lost another. We lost our farrowing barn there on the farm to fire also. Then '64 to '66 was a rather difficult time for Mom and Dad. My dad had an accident there on the farm. [00:05:29] He was building a new fence, and it was raining, and he was setting a large corner post without the use of a tractor and a loader. He was trying to bear hug it and set it by hand and slipped on the wet dirt, and that post fell on him such that the next two years, he was in lots of pain and had two back surgeries. So it wasn't easy there on the farm for my mom and dad and with seven of us children then at that time living, but they always pointed us to Christ. Laura Dugger: Kent, when you were 13 years old, a significant event took place. Will you share that with us now? Kent Heimer: Yeah. It was May 13, 1966. [00:06:30] A good friend in school named Dean invited me to stay overnight with him and set some lines out in the river and fish for large catfish, and I caught the biggest fish I'd ever caught before. It was a five-pound blue cat, and I was so proud of that. So the next morning, I couldn't wait to show up to my dad. So that next morning, May 14, 1966, was a Saturday, and Dean's mom took me home, and my mom told me that my dad and the hired man were down at the bottom of this big hill, and they were working down there and that I could go show that fish to them, but first I needed to go to the barn and help my Uncle Gerald load a load of straw. So all of us, my brothers, our seven kids, our ages at that time would have been... the youngest would have been six, and the oldest would have been 18. So the five of us boys were old enough to help load the straw. And then we loaded up in their truck, and I had a five-gallon bucket with that fish in it, and I couldn't wait to show my dad. [00:07:59] So we went down the hill. Our farmstead was up on kind of a large high hill. And went down to the bottom of the hill, and I was in the back of the truck with some of my brothers, and my oldest brother, who was 18, was driving the truck. As we got closer, I saw that they were resting. The man that was hired by my father to help him and my dad, it looked like they were resting, and I thought that was kind of peculiar. I hadn't seen my dad rest on the ground like that. Well, my dad and the hired hand were driving a sandpoint. A sandpoint is a perforated pipe that we had a lot of hogs, and because of disease, my dad would like to move the hogs around on the farm. And being only five miles from the Mississippi River and kind of a sandy subsoil, that water table would move, permeate, and move through the ground, and you could drive a perforated pipe about 25 foot into the ground, and you would just use a pulse tow driver to drive that in the ground, and then you could put a shallow well pump on it and get water for the livestock. [00:09:29] Well, it had rained the night before, and the ground was moist. It was a very humid day on that May 14th day. So my dad and the hired man were putting a section of pipe onto the sandpoint. They raised it up. My dad, I know he knew that close by was a real electric line running. I think he felt he was far enough away from it to hoist that section of pipe up, but that day, because of the conditions, that electricity arced over and hit the pipe that my dad and the hired man were holding, and both of those men were electrocuted when we got there. As I look back at that later, God was really merciful because the pipe wasn't laying against the line and still touching my father or the hired man because some of us children then could have got electrocuted at that time also. [00:10:46] But it was an unbelievable sad day in the life of our family. We went up and told Mom, and she... I'll fast forward about an hour here, but she said she would not want to go down and look at the bodies. But she gathered the seven of us children in the living room, and she promised us that God would be with us and that God would help us through this very, very unfortunate event in our life. Laura Dugger: Wow. And between both families, many children were left fatherless that day. Kent, your mom, Naomi, just has always had the best reputation. I know my mom has said that she was one of the sweetest women she ever knew. [00:11:53] Mom even said she considered her her second mom growing up. So that is remarkable that within an hour of that tragedy that she was still clinging to God's promises and teaching her children the same. But how did your sweet mom continue to support your family? Kent Heimer: She was the most godly person that I've ever known. My dad didn't have any life insurance, so I would just like to say, please, if you're listening to this and you're a young couple out there, please have some term insurance, life insurance or something if a tragic event would happen in your life. But because of that, Mom worked two jobs at that point. [00:12:56] She would get us kids up, get us on the bus, and then close by was a motel, and she would go there and make beds, clean rooms, and then she went to the local high school where us kids went to school, and she was a cook there. So she would work before and after that noon hour, and it was her desire to get home in time to get us off of the bus and to be able to be with us. So Mom never complained. I never heard her once ever, ever, ever blame God or be angry for what had taken place. She one time told me that she was glad that she had a large family that would keep her busy, and so she was very, very busy. But she said that often the busyness would keep her mind off of what had taken place with our family there.[00:14:14] Laura Dugger: Let's take a quick break to hear a message from our sponsor. Sponsor: With over 1,700 apartment units available throughout Pekin, Peoria, Peoria Heights, Morton, Washington, and Canton, and with every price range covered, you will have plenty of options when you rent through Leman Property Management Company. They have townhomes, duplexes, studios, and garden-style options located in many areas throughout Pekin. In Peoria, a historic downtown location and apartments adjacent to the OSF Medical Center provide excellent choices. Check out their brand-new luxury property in Peoria Heights overlooking the boutique shops and fine dining on Prospect. 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You can also stop by their website at Lemanproperties.com. Check them out and find your place to call home today. Laura Dugger: Well, and even for each of you kids, you said the age range was approximately 6 to 18. [00:16:20] Do you remember how you all processed this, even emotionally or spiritually, at the time? Kent Heimer: You know, I wish at that time... our church now has a counseling service, but I really wish that us kids and my mom could have had some kind of grief counseling. That tragedy was acted out in different ways by us children. I think each one of us processed it in such different ways. A lot of the younger children didn't want to go to school for a time. I don't know if they thought that they would come home and mom would be gone too. [00:17:20] I'm not sure what those little minds were thinking. You know, being…

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    Redemption From Sexual Sin in Marriage with Garrett and Brenna Naufel (Episode 234: Stories Series) May 20, 2024
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    *DISCLAIMER* This episode includes adult content and is not intended for young ears. 234. Stories Series: Redemption From Sexual Sin in Marriage with Garrett and Brenna Naufel **Transcription Below** 1 John 1:7 (NIV) "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin." Questions and Topics We Discuss: Will you tell us how you two met Jesus? What significant event happened next? What were some ways God spoke to each of you throughout your healing process? Garrett Naufel is a Midwest guy who grew up amongst the cornfields and coal mines of central Illinois. He loves the outdoors, hiking and challenging theological reads. He has served in full-time vocational ministry for 22 years, operating in pastoral roles for the majority of the time, and has navigated heartbreak, hope, life, death, failed church plants and the unveiling of the goodness of Jesus throughout this time. Garrett currently serves as the Discipleship Pastor at Open Bible Baptist Church in Colorado Springs. He has been married to the love of his life for 25 years and has two amazing kiddos (as well as 5 babies in heaven). Brenna Naufel is a pastor's wife who committed adultery, a mother to two children here on Earth, and five babies in heaven. But, most of all, she knows she is a beloved, precious, cherished, and sweetly forgiven daughter of God. Besides being passionate about sharing God's scandalous love and redeeming grace, Brenna also loves chocolate, games, Sci-Fi movies, and ping pong. And, of course, Jesus and her amazing family! She is the author of From Lover to Beloved - Experience God's hope, healing, and forgiveness after committing adultery. She resides in Colorado Springs, CO with her husband of 25 years and her two beautiful children. From Lover to Beloved Book From Lover to Beloved Website Connect with Brenna on Instagram @brennanaufel Thank You to Our Sponsor: WinShape Marriage Other Episode Mentioned from The Savvy Sauce: 222 Pornography: Protecting Children and Personal Healing, Victory, and Recovery in Christ with Sam Black Additional Episodes on Similar Topics from The Savvy Sauce: Anatomy of an Affair with Dave Carder Supernatural Restoration Story with Bob and Audrey Meisner Pornography Healing for Spouses with Geremy Keeton Sexual Sin Recovery for You and Your Spouse (Part Two) Patreon 28 Re-Release: Protecting Your Marriage Against Unfaithfulness with Dave Carder Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: I am thrilled to introduce you to our sponsor, Winshape Marriage. Their weekend retreats will strengthen your marriage, and you will enjoy this gorgeous setting, delicious food, and quality time with your spouse. To find out more, visit them online at Winshapemarriage.org. Thanks for your sponsorship. Today's message is not intended for little ears. We'll be discussing some adult themes, and I want you to be aware before you listen to this message. Garrett and Brenna Naufel are my guests today. Garrett is a pastor in Colorado, and Brenna is an author. We were introduced through a mutual friend, Allie Bennett. Allie and I met through church, and she told me about Garrett and Brenna, who were actually her college ministry leaders years ago in a different state. [00:01:20] Garrett and Brenna have such an incredible redemption story, and I'm so grateful they're willing to share it with us now. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Garrett and Brenna. Brenna Naufel: Thanks so much for having us. We're excited to be here. Garrett Naufel: Yeah, thank you very much. Laura Dugger: Let's begin here. Will you tell us how both of you met Jesus? Garrett Naufel: Sure, yeah. I really began to encounter Jesus and the gospel more explicitly in college. I kind of grew up around church and a little farm/coal mining town in Illinois prior to that. But yeah, it was in college, really the latter part of college, that I really began to significantly understand the gospel. And it was probably about junior year when the realization dawned on me that, Hey, I'm not a Christian, but I want to know Jesus, and I want to follow Jesus, and I desperately need Jesus. And it was there that He met with me and rescued me. [00:02:20] So yeah, it was late in college when I came to know Jesus. It was a pretty clear and radical experience for me, as far as understanding my depravity and need and the graciousness of God to come for me and with me. Brenna Naufel: For me, I would say kind of my journey began after my parents divorced. When I was 8 years old. My dad had an affair, my parents got divorced, and so our lives were flipped upside down. There was a lot of hurt there that you don't quite understand when you're eight years old and growing up from then on out. But there was certainly this hole that I felt in my heart and didn't quite know how to fill it. My mom had started going to church after the divorce, and she became a believer. So I did grow up in church for the most part at that time and certainly was trying to understand the gospel. I probably heard it a million times before it finally clicked for me. I went to a Bible camp for a week out of the summer of, I'd say, between my sophomore and junior year in high school. [00:03:27] So again, when I was 16, I gave my life to Christ at that time. Even at that time, I remember somebody sharing, you know, some of you will be called in a ministry, and even some of you might be called to be a pastor's wife. I felt that wholeheartedly at the time that I would become a pastor's wife. I certainly didn't live that way as far as dating relationships and things always right after that but God certainly did get a hold of my heart. But it was easy for me to kind of put Him on the back burner for relationships and things, too, as I was growing in my faith. But that's how we both came to know Jesus. Laura Dugger: The two of you went on to meet each other at a summer leadership program, and you were both sensing that God was leading you to one another for marriage. Actually, within a year of that initial meeting, you were married. But you two soon discovered marriage was harder than either of you had anticipated. And you were trusting that God had brought you together. So that's what made it kind of confusing, and you didn't expect such difficulties to arise in marriage. [00:04:33] Will you share what significant event happened about three years into marriage, when you were being considered to go on staff at a church in Missouri? Garrett Naufel: As we were getting ready to do that, to make that transition and move, and went through all the interview process and stuff, I was wrapping up my job, which was in the dot-com world at that time, right before the bubble burst. Right as it was bursting. We were transitioning and I was at work one day, benignly just went to Google-search something, nothing illicit or anything like that, and up popped some pornography on the screen. I was pretty naive to the internet at that point. I mean, I knew how to use it, but I'd been exposed to pornography at a very early age. I think I was 7 years old the first time I was exposed to it. But it had not been a struggle in my life, even as an unbeliever, for various reasons. [00:05:35] But at that point, I was hooked almost immediately to that. So that began really an 8-year on-and-off battle with internet pornography. And what I now realize and didn't realize at the time, is there was a large portion of me that had even correlated sex with not just pleasure, but with relief and an escape and a salve, if you will, for stress, difficulty, things like that. So I really gave myself over to that at that point. Brenna Naufel: And you didn't share it with me. Garrett Naufel: No, yeah, yeah. I definitely was struggling. I shared with a few people that were not Brenna. I got varying degrees of counsel, most of which wasn't very good or very biblical. One guy in particular basically just said, it's not going to help anything to share this with your wife. You need to just figure this out. [00:06:36] I tried that, I think, partly because I hoped it worked, partly because of the shame and fear I had around coming into the light, particularly with Brenna about that. And so, yeah, that was an eight-year ongoing, like I said, kind of a binge and purge type of situation in my life. And I don't mean to downplay it in any way. It was, at points in my life, very consuming of me emotionally, spiritually. It was clearly a hidden thing. Yeah, it was really broken and really, really dishonoring of the Lord and of my wife and of our ministry. I mean, really, in every aspect, it was a wicked, wretched thing. Laura Dugger: Well, Garrett, I appreciate you being willing to share this part of your story, even as it is difficult. But so many people struggle with this. I even think back, we recently did an episode with Sam Black of Covenant Eyes. I'll link to that in the show notes. [00:07:37] But he talks about the early childhood exposure and then also using pornography to medicate and how it can medicate your emotions in a really negative and turning destructive way. But I'm also curious, you said even prior to knowing Christ, it was never a struggle for various reasons. Can you pinpoint any specific reasons why it wasn't a struggle before? Garrett Naufel: Yeah. So I'm older. I'm a child of the 80s. And so pre-internet. So I didn't really have the opportunity to be exposed to internet pornography really until... You know, college would have been the earliest. Not everybody had a computer in their home and things like that growing up. And so some of it was just accessibility. You know, had it been as accessible as it is now when I was a kid, I probably would have struggled. I think that's part of God's grace to me, even as an unbeliever, was that it just wasn't as easy to get a hold of. [00:08:37] I think another reason was just shame. Even as an unbeliever, I had a strong sense of shame, strong sense of guilt. I think a lot of what probably kept me from that was just like, you know, when I was growing up, I would have had to have gone into a store and bought something or rented something. And just the fact that someone would have known was too much for my conscience. Like, I remember guys in college who I was buddies with who would go to the video store and rent stuff. And I was just like, "I couldn't do that." I just had such a strong sense of shame that it just was, I couldn't overcome that. But once it was, you know... I think it was just kind of the perfect storm. My weakness and maturity, brokenness, and the opportunity all came together in that moment back in 2001. And I did not have the fortitude or the conviction or the depth of relationship with Jesus to flee from sin, but I did not do it. You know, the reality is I was responsible for it. The Lord had provided a way out for me in that temptation, I did not take it. [00:09:49] But I hadn't dealt with Jesus, the mess that was still in my heart. So when that medication presented itself, I very foolishly, but willingly took part in it. Laura Dugger: One other piece, Garret, are you a firstborn? Garrett Naufel: I am. I'm the oldest. Yeah, there's two of us and I'm the oldest of the two. Laura Dugger: Okay. Even the... not that this always pertains to a firstborn, but that shame and guilt and kind of high sensitivity to those things, I can see there's a lot of pressure on firstborns. And I wonder if a lot of people listening, especially who are firstborns, relate to that. But Brenna, I'm also curious for you at this point. So this eight-year struggle, this is into marriage. Were you experiencing anything differently with Garrett? And even intimacy-wise, did you notice an impact on your relationship? Brenna Naufel: Yeah, that's a great question. [00:10:48] I definitely felt an emotional distance from Garrett that I couldn't quite pinpoint. Or I didn't understand, you know, because I would ask him at times, like, "I feel like you're really far. I feel like there's something between you and God. There's something between us." So I think I felt that strongly at some times. And other times we just kind of went about our lives and I kind of just let it go, if that makes sense. But I definitely started to feel an emotional distance from Garrett. And tha…

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    Story of Perseverance: Special Patreon Release with Jenny Boyett May 13, 2024
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    Special Patreon Release: Story of Perseverance with Jenny Boyett **Transcription Below** Psalm 46:1 NIV “God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble." Jenny Boyett is a business professional with over 25 years of strategic thinking, relationship building, leadership development, business development, and communication experience ranging from a local recruiting business to a $100M non-profit. She has a demonstrated ability to lead a team with a focus on professional development, event planning and public speaking. She is energized by relationships—a visionary networker who sees the bigger picture and can motivate an individual and/or a team to accomplish goals and be the best version of themselves.She is a Master Working Genius Facilitator, a Certified Temperament Coach, and sought after public speaker. A graduate of Georgia Southern University, a huge proponent of counseling, and has recently found a passion for pickleball. Other Savvy Sauce Podcast Episodes Mentioned: 118 Parenting All the Temperaments with Jenny Boyett Thank You to Our Sponsor: Magic Mind (Get up to 56% off your subscription or save 20% off your one time purchase when you use the code SavvySauce20 at checkout) Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: If this is your first time here, welcome. You may be wondering what it means to have a special Patreon release, so here's the scoop. Patreon was a platform we used to generate financial support for The Savvy Sauce, and we expressed our thanks to those paying patrons by giving them a bonus episode every month. But in 2024, we transitioned away from Patreon when we became a non-profit called The Savvy Sauce Charities. The podcast is part of this non-profit, which exists to resource loved ones to inspire growth and intimacy with God and others. So people used to pay to support us through Patreon, but now they can just donate directly to our non-profit. We spend thousands of dollars each year to record and produce these episodes, and we do pray that they're beneficial and that God sees fit to use them to be transformational in your life. [00:01:28] If that is the case, if you have ever benefited from an episode of The Savvy Sauce, would you consider showing your gratitude through your financial generosity? Any amount is greatly appreciated. In fact, if every listener gave only $1 per month, it would completely offset our costs. We have all the details on our website, thesavvysauce.com, but feel free to also reach out to our team anytime if you want to partner together. Our email address is info@thesavvysauce.com. If you're a parent like me, and oftentimes, regardless of our kid's age and phase of life, we are looking for extra energy, and so I want to recommend Magic Mind. It's the world's first performance shot. You can learn more at magicmind.com/thesavvysauce and get up to 56% off your subscription or save 20% off your one-time purchase when you use the code SavvySauce20 at checkout. [00:02:33] And now I'm pleased to share this episode with you that used to only be available to paying patrons. My guest is trainer, speaker, and consultant Jenny Boyette. Here's our chat. Welcome back to The Savvy Sauce, Jenny. Jenny Boyett: Thank you. It's good to be back. Laura Dugger: Well, I know that we're all excited to get to know you better, and we didn't cover all of this during our previous chat together. So will you just tell us where you're from and how you came to know Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior? Jenny Boyett: Sure. Well, I'm kind of from all over. My parents got divorced when I was young and my mom remarried, and he was a professional soccer player when it was big back in the 70s and 80s. So we moved around a lot. But I grew up pretty much in between Florida and Georgia. We went to a lot of different churches, and I always went to church camps and heard about Jesus. Definitely wanted to follow Him and accept Him. [00:03:33] I would say I would have considered myself a Christian, but it wasn't until college that I started to understand what it was like to have a personal relationship with Jesus. He felt kind of far away until then and was able to get into a great ministry that I felt like really developed my faith and helped me understand what it looked like to walk daily with Jesus. So I would say I was saved in middle school, but that it wasn't until probably my late teens, early 20s that I understood what it truly meant to be walking side by side with Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior. Laura Dugger: Then from that point forward, where did you go for college and what did you envision life to be like? Did you think you would get married someday? Jenny Boyett: Oh, good question. I went to Georgia Southern University down in Statesboro, which was a pretty small town for me. I was in Atlanta at the time and my brother and sister... Well, my older brother was at Georgia, so I didn't want to go there. [00:04:32] So I went to Georgia Southern. I just wanted to have the typical college experience. I went through Rush and was a sorority girl. I just figured I would go to college, I would meet my husband in college and I would get married after college. And then we would move back to Atlanta and have the white picket fence with the 2.5 kids and the dog and life would be glorious. So that was my vision. But I didn't have a lot of vision. Once the kids were born and the husband went to work, I didn't really see much past having the kids and having the house. Laura Dugger: So how did you come to meet your husband? Jenny Boyett: Well, we met at school at Southern at a fraternity sorority party and just kind of started dating for about three and a half years. We did have a breakup in between that time and I was devastated. I think I moved around so much as a kid that when I met him, he was from a small town and his whole family lived there. And I just figured I would move there with him and whatever he wanted to do, I could just be the great fellowship hall lady at the Baptist church and call it a day. [00:05:40] So that's really what I was thinking up until when we broke up. We were looking at rings and trying to decide what our future held and then it kind of hit me out of nowhere. He broke up with me. From that moment, I didn't quite know what my life envisioned. I was pretty much just banking on that life. And so I think that was really one of the first times that I was on my knees, weeping, crying out to the Lord to kind of show me a path. So we were broken up for about six months or so and then he decided he wanted to try and get back together. So he did. He moved to Atlanta to pursue me and decided he wasn't going to live in the small town anymore and we were going to get married and do all of this in the big city of Atlanta. So that's what we did. Laura Dugger: Then fast forward, so you're married, and then your first time becoming a mom. Was that at all what you expected? Jenny Boyett: No. I mean, I think I kind of had expected you get married, you're married for three to five years, you try to have kids, and you just get pregnant. [00:06:46] That's what happens, right? Well, that's not what had happened for us. We struggled with fertility. We weren't getting pregnant and we didn't quite know what was wrong. So we ended up in a fertility clinic, and we're just getting our options together and trying to find out, do we adopt, do we go through some fertility treatments? How is this going to go? We definitely prayed about it and had met with a lot of different people and we decided we were going to attempt in vitro fertilization for the first time and just see. So we had generous parents and saved some of our own money. We went through the process, and we got pregnant. Some people go through the fertility process, and I really wanted like my whole family in the freezer is what they call it. But I didn't get that. We ended up with three eggs, and then only two of them were viable. So they implanted those two eggs, and I got pregnant. And I got pregnant with triplets. [00:07:45] One of those eggs split, so I have an identical set of girls and then a fraternal girl. And so nothing about being pregnant, nothing about bringing home a newborn, nothing went as I had expected. It was very dangerous and risky. There was hospital visits and hospital stays and just a lot of help needed after the girls came home. It was very chaotic, for sure. I never got to be the cute little wife, new mom pulling into Target, taking their one little baby in and everybody oohing and aahing over the baby. We were kind of like a show everywhere we went. I certainly didn't run into Target for a quick errand or anything. That wasn't really possible with triplet newborns. Laura Dugger: I can't even imagine that. Even from our previous time together, you shared that you're a yellow temperament. And so I'm just wondering when it's a high-risk pregnancy and then even welcoming home these three little girls, was that hard to not get to spend as much time with your friends and with adult people? [00:08:52] Or what was that season like for you? Jenny Boyett: Yeah, it was. I mean, I think God had given me the yellow temperament in order to be able to just roll with the punches and go with the flow and see the best in the situation. But it was difficult. I was seeing a counselor during that time as well. I remember the counselor saying, "I know you're a new mom and you're happy and there's postpartum going on, but you do need to give yourself a room to mourn." And it's to mourn the fact that, yes, you're happy to be a mom and you're grateful that you got pregnant. So many people go through infertility and then never are able to conceive. But it didn't go the way that you had hoped and wanted. And it was risky. So it's okay to give yourself room to mourn the way that this went." I think that was really helpful advice because I did have to give myself that space because it wasn't what I had wanted it to be. There were some parts that were better and there were some parts that were much, much harder. [00:09:53] I was lucky enough that I had an incredible community around me and they brought meals for months. I would plan to connect with my friends through them dropping off meals. I would get out, you know, at least once or twice a week to try to just get away. I was just intentional with that time because I didn't need as much time alone, but I needed to be smart with where I was going to spend that time when I had it away from the kids. Laura Dugger: Did you work while you were raising your little ones? Jenny Boyett: Yeah. I work at North Point Community Church and I was able to take an extended maternity leave, but then I did go back to work basically full-time. It was 30 hours a week. We have an incredible weekday program there, so the girls could go with me there, but that was definitely tricky. My husband traveled a lot and I would be by myself and be taking them into school and navigating all of their first year and a half of life. [00:10:55] Pretty much working mom, husband who travels before I got any real help in the house to help navigate that. Laura Dugger: Wow. I can see where that is a ton added to your plate. I guess I kind of want to blend these conversations. So even referring back with your temperament, do you see with moms of any of the temperaments, are there certain ones that are more likely to work while raising children? Jenny Boyett: Honestly, it's been a mixture. I mean, I haven't ever thought about it to pinpoint specifically, but when I think of my friends that are working, I honestly know all the different temperaments that work. I think in how they work and how they manage their household looks differently, but I don't necessarily think the decision to work or not work is based on temperament alone. I think there's a lot of factors that come into it. Because I have as many different temperaments of friends that stay home as I do that are working. But the difference that I have noticed in them is how they manage it and who gets more overwhelmed or who's more structured. [00:12:00] I think that changes and the flow of that is based on the temperament. Laura Dugger: Well, I want to take a moment thoug…

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    Surprises from God with Tiffany Noel (Episode 233: Stories Series) May 06, 2024
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    *DISCLAIMER: This episode contains thematic material and is not intended for young ears. 233. Stories Series: Surprises from God with Tiffany Noel **Transcription Below** Psalm 37:23 (NLT) "The Lord directs the steps of the godly. He delights in every detail of their lives." Topics We Cover: Chaotic Childhood Meeting Josh and Surrendering to God God's Personal Way to Reveal Loving Reminders to Her Tiffany Noel had a chaotic childhood experience filled with loss and abuse. Tiffany's life speaks of the goodness of God and how He continually reveals Himself in intimate ways despite being the Creator of the Universe. Tiffany studied at Bradley University getting her undergraduate degree in Psychology and her Masters in Human Development Counseling. She combines her experience in the "hard knocks of life" with her education to relate to and encourage other people who have survived trauma. Most importantly, Tiffany uses her faith in God to point people to the ultimate hope found in Jesus Christ. Tiffany and her family are active members at Summit Point Church in East Peoria, IL. Tiffany currently works as a Psychotherapist at a group practice in Morton, IL called Genesis Counseling. Tiffany has served in this calling for the past few years. Prior to working at Genesis Counseling, Tiffany worked at OSF Adult Behavioral Health for ten years. She also has direct work experience with the homeless and geriatric populations. Tiffany has a heart for people who feel unseen, unheard and unloved. Tiffany mixes humor, tough love and Biblical truth to provide a safe space for her clients to rest, grow and heal. Tiffany resides in Morton, IL with her husband Josh, their two children, Lily and Oliver, and their two rambunctious dogs, Scooby and Daphne. Book an appointment with Tiffany by emailing tiffanyn.genesis@gmail.com Thank You to Our Sponsor: Grace Catering Company Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Today's episode includes some thematic material. I want you to be aware before you listen in the presence of little ears. For anyone who feels like they don't have time to cook, but they still desire to have meals that taste just like grandma's, I can't wait to share more about one of my favorite sponsors, Grace Catering Company. Check them out today at gracecateringcompany.com. Tiffany Noel is my guest today, and we met through our mutual friend, Julie Roth. Because of Tiffany's effervescent personality, humor, and transparency, I considered her an instant friend that first time we met for coffee. I was so grateful she opened up to tell me more about her life experience, and soon after that initial meeting, I invited her to be a guest on the podcast. [00:01:18] She's now going to share her redemption story with us. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Tiffany. Tiffany Noel: Thank you, Laura. Happy to be here. Laura Dugger: So glad to have you join. Will you begin by taking us back and tell us a bit about your childhood? Tiffany Noel: Of course. Yes. I actually grew up in a small town of Chillicothe, Illinois. In my early years, I was raised in a Pentecostal church. Mom was a believer, took us every Sunday, every Wednesday. But my dad did not attend church. And I remember that was part of our childhood was praying for Dad's salvation. And I remember one time him losing his coat and keys, and we prayed that they would be found. It was like three months later, they were found. I honestly can't even remember where, but it just stuck in my mind that God answers prayers from a very young age. Mom was a stay-at-home mom. Dad worked outside of the home. Unfortunately, my dad was an alcoholic. [00:02:20] So if he wasn't working, he was usually either drinking or sleeping to recover from a hangover. The rare occasions that he was present, I do remember him being very silly, very funny. He would make Donald Duck voices, and he was just kind of goofy and mischievous. Outside of my dad's addiction, my childhood for the first eight years was pretty typical. It was just a lot of sleepovers with cousins and best friends and visits to Grandma's house, camping, holiday celebrations. We went to a lot of garage sales. However, things quickly turned in the year when I was eight, and it's one sleepover that definitely will be forever etched into my mind. At that sleepover, it was my older sister who's 18 months older, and we would always switch kids. So the oldest daughter in my friend's family went with my sister and the younger one I stayed with at her house. We were actually just playing, putting together a puzzle and I remember hearing, "Your dad's going to die tonight." [00:03:24] And I, being raised Pentecostal, was very aware of the enemy. And I was like, "I rebuke you, devil, in the name of Jesus." I immediately said that. Unfortunately, the same exact thought popped back into my mind again in a different voice and out of my own thought. And it just said, "Your dad's going to die tonight. Your mom's going to call, and they're going to say they're taking your dad to the hospital, and he isn't going to make it." Before that sentence even ended, I heard my friend's mom pick up the phone that rang and said they were dropping my sister and her friend back home, because my dad was being rushed to the hospital. He didn't make it, but we didn't actually know that until later. Our friend's mom had put us to bed at their house. I didn't fall asleep. Felt like I had this information that no one else had. But later, my mom and pastors picked us up and took us home, and told us the news that my dad didn't make it. For quite a while, I honestly was in a lot of denial. Although my dad didn't travel for work, I was convinced that he was on a business trip, and that's kind of how I went along with my life. [00:04:31] From that point forward, we kind of just lived with a spirit of fear in our house. I just remember my mom would sleep on the couch every night. We never went back to our bedrooms. She slept on the couch, and we'd sleep on the floor next to her. I remember in my adult years talking to Mom about that, and she said that she was just very scared that my dad's, quote, bar friends would come and hurt us somehow. She even said she realized how unrealistic that was because they were such nice people. But it was just the way the enemy was making her very afraid. Fast forward, it wasn't even a year later when my mom met what she thought was her knight in shining armor at a revival at church. She was very afraid that she couldn't support us kids, me and my sister. She didn't have an education, and she really thought she needed a man to be able to provide for us. [00:05:33] So when she met this man, it was very quickly after they got married that we realized he was very much a wolf in sheep's clothing. Specifically, he definitely treated my sister and I like slaves. We were required to do all the chores inside and outside the house. These weren't like typical childhood chores. It would be like pulling weeds until our fingers bled, cleaning the garage that was already cleaned, that we had just cleaned. Now looking back, it was all about control for him and manipulation. He would tell us we could go to a slumber party if we cleaned our room, and we would meticulously clean our room. Then he'd come up and run his hand over the shelf and just knock everything off and say it was not clean and the bed wasn't made crisp enough. Other types of manipulation and emotional abuse would include, he was a hunter and he would put dead deer carcasses and hang them up in the garage and then ask us to go out and get something, unbeknownst to us, the deer was hanging, dripping blood, and just obviously startle and scare us. [00:06:39] He would force us to take care of our animals. I had pet rabbits and several dogs, cats. But basically, as soon as we started to bond with them, he would take them away. I was actually forced to, can't make this stuff up, but forced to eat my pet rabbit and later informed by my mom that he would drown our kittens. He sold, I'll never forget, Buffy, my favorite dog, just because, according to my mom, he said we were getting too attached, which is what you're kind of supposed to do as a family pet. Then, unfortunately, his controlling and emotional abuse escalated to sexual abuse as I aged. Time and time again, he would use pepper spray, spray into the bathroom so that me and my sister would come out naked. He would force us to, well, force me to rub his feet until one day it became more than that. I would often go to bed crying, just immense feeling of shame for what was happening. [00:07:40] Other instances of just control that I can remember is he'd hold me down and tickle me until I had to go to the bathroom and I'd pee myself. I mean, I was a teenager, so it was very humiliating. And then on numerous occasions, I would fall asleep on the couch and wake up to him touching me. When my Mom and him divorced, we actually found a hole in the bathroom door that looked directly into the bathtub. So the man that was supposed to protect and provide for us completely betrayed us. He also spent all of our Social Security money for my Dad that was supposed to pay for like braces and college and just daily expenses. He opened a pet store, bought a really expensive car, just was very frivolous with our money, and meantime, didn't hold a job for longer than a few months at a time. So after years of abuse, I finally told my mom that the sexual abuse was going on. Unfortunately, at first, my mom didn't believe me. I understand now, I really do. She was just trying to survive. [00:08:41] But at the time, it was very hard that someone was supposed to protect you and love you didn't believe you. I couldn't take it anymore, I ran away to my grandmother's house. And grandma was sort of a safe haven, a place that I got a little taste of childhood. My mom would beg me to come home and I would refuse. She said that one night her and my stepdad got into a big argument and my mom brought up the allegations, and he said, quote, "Tiffany wanted it." And that was when my mom knew I was telling the truth and she was married to a predator. She immediately kicked him out and shortly after I came back home. However, unfortunately, the guilt and shame my mom and I both carried led us both to really backslide from our faith. So after losing my father, and then experiencing that hypocrisy of the Christians in my life, I started to seek out worldly comforts. Laura Dugger: Wow. Thank you so much for sharing. [00:09:43] It's not an easy story to hear. Obviously not an easy life to live at that time. And understandable how everything felt chaotic, even your faith at that time. Eventually, you met a man who you would later get engaged to. Will you pick your story back up there? Tiffany Noel: Yes, of course. So after all of that took place, and like I said, I went to the world for comfort. Specifically, I kind of got wrapped into drinking a lot of alcohol to basically just numb my thoughts and feelings, experimented a little bit with drugs, had some relationships with men, just seeking to be validated to get attention. And in all honesty, I would always say I would never get married, never be in a relationship, I thought. I used to literally say that all men would either abandon me or they were perverts. [00:10:42] That was kind of what my mind frame was. So when I met Josh at a mutual place of employment in 1998, I actually just graduated from high school and was working just as a telemarketer and going to college full time. He was working there as a second job. I just started to notice him, and he was just a little different than the men I had known before. We ultimately started dating in 1999 after he invited me to his low-pitch softball games. Those were some fun times. But we both met during a time where we'd both gone completely away from our Christian upbringing. We were both living a very selfish life of comfort, pleasure. However, when one of our party friends started going to church, we both kind of noticed a difference in her. We really specifically noticed a peace and a contentment in her that wasn't there prior to he…

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    Testify to Glorify with Richard Gamble (Episode 232: Stories Series) Apr 29, 2024
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    232. Stories Series: Testify to Glorify with Richard Gamble **Transcription Below** Psalm 96:3 (NIV) "Declare his glory among the nations, his marvelous deeds among all peoples." Richard Gamble is the founder and visionary behind Eternal Wall of Answered Prayer, the world’s largest database of hope stories. Aspiring to make hope visible and renew faith in prayer, Gamble first had the idea for the inspirational structure in 2004 when he was carrying a cross around Leicestershire at Easter to lead people to think about Jesus. He prayed over the idea for ten years until 2014, when he felt a nudge from the Holy Spirit to begin acting upon it. Gamble has spent many years rallying support for the Eternal Wall, a process which has tested his humility and obedience to follow God’s will. Having successfully garnered hundreds of partnerships who want to see the unique project come to fruition, the iconic monument will be a legacy project, future-proofed to inspire and engage generations, supporting them in their spiritual journey. A Christian since 1990, Gamble studied at Bible college before working for British Gas. He eventually left the corporate world to make his mark in entrepreneurship, co- founding both a software business and a marketing consultancy. With a love for soccer, he became CEO of Sports Chaplaincy UK, and was former chaplain of Leicester City Football Club (before they were famous and won the Premiership). Eternal Wall of Answered Prayer BBC Documentary Eternal Wall, Crowd Fundraiser Website Questions We Discuss: Will you share your childhood story of a near death experience? How did God call you to build the Eternal Wall of Prayer? Will you share three of the stories submitted so far for the Eternal Wall of Prayer? Other Episode Mentioned from The Savvy Sauce: 126 Rhythms of Renewal with Gabe and Rebekah Lyons Thank You to Our Sponsor: Leman Property Management Company Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Leman Property Management Company has the apartment you will be able to call home, with over 1,700 apartment units available in Central Illinois. Visit them today at Lemanproperties.com or connect with them on Facebook. Prepare to hear miracle after miracle that will leave you changed. Richard Gamble is my guest today, and God has given him a clear and thrilling purpose in his life. I can't wait for you to hear more of his stories and his calling, and to also discover ways you are invited to be an active participant. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Richard. Richard Gamble: Hey, thank you very much for having me on your show. Laura Dugger: It is such a pleasure to get to host you today. [00:01:16] Just to get to know you better, I would love to hear your story. So will you start us off with your childhood story of a near-death experience? Richard Gamble: Yeah, gosh. You've done your research well there, Laura. I think I was about six years old, and I was on holiday with my parents, and they said to go and get my sister who was in the swimming pool. And I leaned over to shout at her, it was tea time, and lost my balance and fell into the pool. I can remember it really clearly, this sort of weird experience of sort of floating downwards. I wasn't even panicking because I just didn't know how to swim. I'm just going down in the pool, and then a guy in a white suit was walking past, took off his white jacket, dived into the pool, pulled me out, rescued me. [00:02:22] I think he then took me to my parents, and then just disappeared. So it might have been a bloke just happened to be going past in a white suit. I have suspicions that it was an angel. Laura Dugger: That is so incredible. What a powerful experience, but it makes me wonder, at this time, what was the faith environment like in your home growing up? Richard Gamble: Oh, no, no faith whatsoever. In fact, even the opposite in that, you know, normally you would christen a child in this country when they're born, but I wasn't christened because there was no faith. So I didn't go to church, didn't have anything like that. But then when I was 11 years old, I learned that if you put a glass against the wall, you could listen to the conversation next door. So I thought, "Oh, I'll give that a go." [00:03:22] And I overheard my mom saying that she had to go to a hospital for tests for cancer. And even though I had no faith upbringing, I just sat by my bed, put my hands together, and just said, "God, can you look after my mom?" Which He did. But I felt in that moment, the way I describe it, it's sort of like a huge hand around me going, "It's going to be all right." And that was the moment for me as an 11-year-old where I believed that God was alive and wanted to be part of my life. Laura Dugger: Goodness. At this time, what was that like for your family as well? Richard Gamble: I didn't really talk about it that much. My mom then had a son that they did decide to christen. I got christened at the age of 14. Fortunately, the vicar didn't try and sort of lift me up and dip me in the baptism pool there. [00:04:25] But I sort of went on my own exploration, really, Laura. I can remember at that age going to different churches and just seeing religion. I wouldn't have described it like that at the time. But I remember just sitting there and thinking, "This doesn't mean anything." So I really, on and off, as you do when you're a teenager, sort of went to different places and every time just thought, Oh, not really interested in that. Then when I was 20 years old, I found myself in a hotel — I was on a sort of a university graduate employment scheme - and there were 20 of us debating about whether God existed or not. And I was like, "Yeah, He definitely exists." One of the 20 there was a Christian and they just invited me to come to church. And I was like, "Yeah, right." [00:05:27] So I went to this church and I'm like, "Wow, this is real. I could tell by the way that people were singing the songs, whether they were interacting, that it really meant something to them. Then I had this moment where I experienced exactly the same thing that I experienced when I was 11 years old, what I would now describe as the presence of God. So that was the moment for me, I was like, gosh, God is real. He is alive. Somebody then that night said, "Do you want to come out?" And he took me out to a pub and shared the gospel with me in a pub. And I was like, "Right, what do I do?" That has been a motivating factor for me in my life, that I had an experience with God when I was 11 but I had to wait nine years till somebody shared the gospel with me. Laura Dugger: Wow. I wonder if that emboldened you to share the gospel with others, because I think of your faith one Easter in particular. [00:06:33] Will you share what you did that day? Richard Gamble: Yeah. It sounds a bit weird this, Laura, but yeah, I will. I felt that God tell me to carry a cross around my county. It took a bit of persuading to persuade my church leaders that this was a good idea. But I just wanted people to think about Jesus during Easter. So I walked, I think it was about 80 miles around the county to try and get people to consider the cross instead of... you know, we have the tradition of buying chocolate eggs and all sorts during Easter. I was trying to go, Easter is about Jesus. I started to pick up ad hoc that there were loads of people that were having conversations about this in their schools and their colleges and in their workplace. [00:07:33] And probably the best one was my father, who again, he's not a Christian, but he was in a governmental meeting. In the middle of this governmental meeting, this lady said, "I saw the weirdest thing today." Said, "I saw this bloke dressed in a suit carrying a cross. What's all that about?" And my dad then said, "Well, that's my son." And then he proceeded to share the gospel with the whole room. A non-believer in a governmental setting is then saying, "This is the gospel. This is what my son believes." So, for me, that was a real catalyst in my life that said, actually, if we do stuff creative to try and reveal the nature of Christ, it's going to reach a lot of people. Laura Dugger: Wow. And that seed has continued to bloom. We'll get to that current part of your story, but I just think how incredible that God gave you the grace to be obedient. [00:08:34] Because so many times when He speaks to us, I don't know if this has been your experience too, Richard, but it doesn't make sense in the moment. It is encouraging to read about Noah building an ark before there's even rain or different things that sound odd in the time, but He shows us, a lot of times, on the other side of obedience what He's doing. Richard Gamble: Yeah. And of course, Laura, it's a process, isn't it? Because I do remember when I was in my early days of being a Christian, I remember I felt the Holy Spirit say, you know, "Help that lady with her bags." And she was carrying loads of bags. So I said, "Oh, do you want me to help?" And she said, "Yeah." And I helped her. And that was it. I was expecting her to fall on her knees and say, "What shall I do to be saved or something like that." And she went, "Oh, thank you very much." And that was it. Never saw her again. [00:09:33] I learned from that initial experience the importance of just being obedient to those little nudges. And we don't always know. We don't always see. My wife and I now, you know, if we feel God's told us to do it, we do it. The danger can often be if you get lost in the detail. But if I do that, what if that happens or what if that happens? We've trained ourselves over the decades, and we've made mistakes as well because we're human, but we've trained ourselves to like, if God gives us the nudge, let's do it. I do believe that even if I've misheard God with the nudge, that He'll love the heart of wanting to be obedient to Him. Laura Dugger: Yes, I am in complete agreement with you there. You're mentioning your wife. Can you give us a snapshot of your life currently? Richard Gamble: Yes. So I'm married to Sarah. [00:10:34] We just had our 25th anniversary. We went to Venice, which is beautiful. I've got three, three kids, two boys, one girl. And, yeah, life is life is bumpy at times, but overall, it's good on the journey. Laura Dugger: Well, and along the journey, when... There's something that I want to draw out. You had just mentioned that God was calling you to show Him in creative ways. You have a current, very creative project that's exciting. And I believe it's approximately 20 years in the making so far. So where did this vision come from to create an eternal wall of answered prayer? Richard Gamble: So it was while I was on that walk carrying the cross. At the time, I was also being considered for leadership of the church. And I was just praying and I sort of in my heart said to God, "What do you want me to do next?" [00:11:37] And this picture, vision, idea just sort of flashed through my head. I've learned that's one of the ways that God speaks to me, that it's almost like a picture that goes really quick and then you have to grab it to really sort of meditate on it and work out what it is. But I just felt Him say this idea about building a national landmark, a wall made up of a million bricks where every brick represents an answer prayer. That's really where it was birthed. So that was 2004. I sort of had 10 years carrying on with life, you know, starting my family and all that that entails and running a software business. And I was sort of thinking about it, talking to people about it, got lots of weird looks every time I mentioned it. But then nine years ago, I just felt the Lord Jesus say to me, Right, green light, time to time to get going. [00:12:39] It's been an incredible adventure. We are incredibly close to achieving this now. We're working towards an opening date of 2026, maybe 2027. And yes, it's been exciting. Laura Dugger: Let's take a quick break to hear a message from our sponsor. Sponsor: With over 1700 apartment units available throughout Pekin, Peoria, Peoria Heights, Morton, Washington, and Canton, and with every price range cover…

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