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    The Rollup

    Where digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.

    Website: https://therollup.co/

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    Emad Mostaque: AI Agents Just Broke Out On Their Own Sep 03, 2026
    Show notes

    Emad Mostaque breaks down the viral story of OpenAI's self-replicating agents that left "hieroglyph-like" trails for successive generations before breaking out and taking over internal services, and explains why he believes intelligence's cost is racing toward zero. He also unpacks Intelligent Internet's Bitcoin-forked monetary thesis for a post-AGI economy, and details his plan to launch state-by-state "champion" institutions designed to keep ownership of AI agents in the hands of the people.

    Emad Mostaque is the Founder of Stability AI and the creator of Intelligent Internet, a protocol focused on building AI infrastructure for public institutions and citizen-owned agent economies.

    The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    02:14 Self-Replicating Agents Explained

    05:03 The Intelligent Internet Thesis

    08:20 What Is Money After AGI

    11:51 Objective Hacking And AI Ethics

    15:26 The Trolley Test Bias

    19:08 Blockchain's Role In AI's Future

    22:12 Why Private Inference Matters

    26:03 Who's AI Runs Public Policy

    29:49 Assume The Internet Goes Offline

    32:33 MacBooks Turned Into Hacker Swarms

    34:44 Why Bigger Models Don't Matter

    37:14 The Implementation Plan Ahead


    Guest Socials:

    Emad Mostaque X: https://x.com/EMostaque

    Intelligent Internet X: https://x.com/ii_posts

    Intelligent Internet Website: https://ii.inc/


    Partners:

    1inch Aqua lets you stack multiple positions on the same token balance instead of babysitting a dozen pools, and your tokens never leave your wallet. Your liquidity stays awake, so you can catch up on your sleep. Check it out at https://1inch.com/aqua

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    Dinari - Over 230 1:1 backed tokenized stocks, ETFs & more with dividends. US-based SEC transfer agent. Available on 5+ chains & via API. https://dinari.com/

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    Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.

    Learn more here: https://www.spaceandtime.io/

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    Frax is the Future of Digital Money. Open. Stable. Borderless. At Frax, we're building the world's most scalable stablecoin infrastructure for the next generation of finance.

    Learn more here: net.frax.com/rollup

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    Relay is the fastest and most reliable way to swap any token on any chain. Learn more here: https://relay.link/bridge

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    Zama is the confidentiality protocol for onchain finance, using fully homomorphic encryption so smart contracts can compute on encrypted data, keeping balances, positions, and transfers confidential while remaining verifiable and compliant by design. Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/

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    𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:


    Website: https://therollup.co/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...

    Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast

    Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco

    Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages

    Follow Andy on X: https://x.com/andyyy

    Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh

    The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures


    𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.


    Will Clemente: Why The Hard Money Thesis Is Set To Explode Very Soon (Full Thesis) Sep 01, 2026
    Show notes

    Will Clemente joins us for an update on the imminent digital asset bull cycle. He breaks down the significance of Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent's long-bond buybacks before Jackson Hole, explaining why the move to backstop yields could force excess liquidity into the system and make Bitcoin & other digital assets an increasingly attractive hedge. He also unpacks his financial repression thesis, a potential "Treasury-Fed Accord 2.0," and why he expects Bitcoin and gold's diverging performance to reverse as capital rotates back into hard assets and away from the AI buildout trade.

    Will Clemente is a solo investor and macro analyst known for his research on Bitcoin, onchain data, and the intersection of monetary policy and digital assets.

    The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    02:05 Will Sold Down At The Start Of 2026

    04:08 Everyone In Digital Assets Pivoted To Equities

    06:13 Bitcoin Cycles Bottom When Sellers Run Out

    08:18 Besant Bond Buying Is The Green Light

    10:33 Treasury Twist Explained Simply

    12:44 Stablecoin Issuance Demand Escalating

    14:55 Dollar Debasement Is The Long Game

    17:06 Hard Money Assets Vs Fiat Debt

    19:14 Iran Oil Risk Still Brewing

    21:28 Yen And Dollar Coiling Up Now

    23:51 September 9th Besant Bond Buying

    25:52 Clarity Act Vote September 15th

    28:05 All Roads Lead To Bitcoin Long Term

    30:06 Warsh Forward Guidance Contradiction

    32:17 Small Position on ZCash


    Guest Socials:

    Will Clemente X: https://x.com/WClemente


    Partners:

    If you run concentrated liquidity positions you know the grind. Price moves, you're out of range, you're rebalancing at, like, 3am. 1inch Aqua lets you take a different approach. You can stack multiple positions on the same token balance instead of babysitting a dozen pools, and your tokens never leave your wallet. Your liquidity stays awake, so you can catch up on your sleep. Check it out at https://1inch.com/aqua

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    Dinari - Over 230 1:1 backed tokenized stocks, ETFs & more with dividends. US-based SEC transfer agent. Available on 5+ chains & via API. https://dinari.com/

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    Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.

    Learn more here: https://www.spaceandtime.io/

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    Relay is the fastest and most reliable way to swap any token on any chain. Learn more here: https://relay.link/bridge

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    Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.

    Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/

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    𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:


    Website: https://therollup.co/

    Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast

    Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco

    Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages

    Follow Andy on X: https://x.com/andyyy

    Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh

    The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures


    𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.


    PUMP Is The Most Mispriced Business In Crypto (Here's Why) with RockawayX CIO Austin Barack Aug 31, 2026
    Show notes

    Austin Barack breaks down why Pump.fun isn't really a meme coin platform. Rather, it's building social trading infrastructure that's about to expand across chains and asset types and explains why the market is mispricing one of the fastest-growing businesses in the world by treating its revenue as cyclical rather than durable. He also discusses the ongoing debate over buybacks as a value accrual mechanism, and identifies the categories he believes are best positioned heading into the next bull cycle.

    Austin Barack is a Partner at RockawayX, a digital assets venture capital firm.

    The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    03:51 Pump Is Really Social Trading

    06:43 Why Pump's Multiple Feels Too Low

    09:35 Perps Trading Everything

    13:27 Are Buybacks The End Game

    16:00 Building Durable Revenue Businesses

    19:14 The Real Winning Categories


    Partners:

    If you run concentrated liquidity positions you know the grind. Price moves, you're out of range, you're rebalancing at, like, 3am. 1inch Aqua lets you take a different approach. You can stack multiple positions on the same token balance instead of babysitting a dozen pools, and your tokens never leave your wallet. Your liquidity stays awake, so you can catch up on your sleep. Check it out at https://1inch.com/aqua

    ---

    Dinari - Over 230 1:1 backed tokenized stocks, ETFs & more with dividends. US-based SEC transfer agent. Available on 5+ chains & via API. https://dinari.com/

    ---

    Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.

    Learn more here: https://www.spaceandtime.io/

    ---

    Relay is the fastest and most reliable way to swap any token on any chain. Learn more here: https://relay.link/bridge

    ---

    Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.

    Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/

    ---

    𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗎𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘁𝘀 𝗲𝗰𝗌𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:


    Website: https://therollup.co/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...

    Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast

    Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco

    Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages

    Follow Andy on X: https://x.com/andyyy

    Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh

    The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures


    𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.


    Superstate CEO: How Stablecoins Are Setting Up The Biggest Tokenization Boom Yet (Here's Why) Aug 28, 2026
    Show notes

    Robert Leshner joins us to unpack his vision of the tokenization supercycle with the explosion of stablecoins as the core undercurrent.

    He breaks down why over a dozen major banks including Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and Santander, just announced plans to launch their own stablecoins, and explains why he left Compound to build Superstate, a compliant, tokenized approach to money market funds and real-world assets. He also makes the case that tokenization's addressable market isn't just 100% of finance, plus much more.

    Every asset is coming onchain.

    Robert Leshner is the Co-Founder and CEO of Superstate, and the founder of Compound, one of DeFi's original lending protocols.

    The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    04:02 Banks Rushing Into Stablecoins?

    07:20 A Hundred Approaches To Tokenization

    12:25 Compliant Tokens That Do DeFi Well

    16:56 From Wild West DeFi To Compliance

    23:39 Why He Left Compound To Start Superstate

    26:21 100% Market Share, Then Some For Tokenized Assets


    Guest Socials:

    Robert Leshner X: https://x.com/rleshner

    Superstate X: https://x.com/superstateinc

    Superstate Website: https://superstate.com/


    Partners:

    If you run concentrated liquidity positions you know the grind. Price moves, you're out of range, you're rebalancing at, like, 3am. 1inch Aqua lets you take a different approach. You can stack multiple positions on the same token balance instead of babysitting a dozen pools, and your tokens never leave your wallet. Your liquidity stays awake, so you can catch up on your sleep. Check it out at https://1inch.com/aqua

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    Dinari - Over 230 1:1 backed tokenized stocks, ETFs & more with dividends. US-based SEC transfer agent. Available on 5+ chains & via API. https://dinari.com/

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    Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.

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    Relay is the fastest and most reliable way to swap any token on any chain. Learn more here: https://relay.link/bridge

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    Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.

    Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/

    ---

    𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗎𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘁𝘀 𝗲𝗰𝗌𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:


    Website: https://therollup.co/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...

    Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast

    Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco

    Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages

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    Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh

    The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures


    𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.


    Grayscale Research Lead: Privacy Assets Are The Final Frontier For Massive Upside (Our Predictions) Aug 26, 2026
    Show notes

    Zach Pandl joins us for an investing masterclass on how to allocate to privacy in the age of AI. He breaks down how Grayscale converted its nine-year-old Zcash trust into an ETF, following the same playbook that took its Bitcoin trust public, and explains why rising AI-powered surveillance is the real catalyst driving renewed interest in financial privacy.

    He also details the Ironwood upgrade's quantum resistance improvements, his ZEC targets, and why he's so bullish on the future of privacy related tokens.

    Zach Pandl is the Head of Research at Grayscale, a leading digital assets asset manager known for pioneering trust-to-ETF conversions across Bitcoin, Ethereum, and now Zcash.

    The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    04:41 Cross-Chain Reach Via NEAR Intents

    09:50 The Real Catalyst For Zcash

    12:05 Ironwood And Quantum Resistance Upgrades

    14:52 ZEC Trust To ETF Migration Mechanics

    20:35 100% Of Fees Reinvested


    Guest Socials:

    Zach Pandl X: https://x.com/LowBeta

    Grayscale X: https://x.com/grayscale

    Grayscale Website: https://www.grayscale.com/


    Partners:

    If you run concentrated liquidity positions you know the grind. Price moves, you're out of range, you're rebalancing at, like, 3am. 1inch Aqua lets you take a different approach. You can stack multiple positions on the same token balance instead of babysitting a dozen pools, and your tokens never leave your wallet. Your liquidity stays awake, so you can catch up on your sleep. Check it out at https://1inch.com/aqua

    ---

    Dinari - Over 230 1:1 backed tokenized stocks, ETFs & more with dividends. US-based SEC transfer agent. Available on 5+ chains & via API. https://dinari.com/

    ---

    Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.

    ---

    Relay is the fastest and most reliable way to swap any token on any chain. Learn more here: https://relay.link/bridge

    ---

    Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.

    Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/

    ---

    𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗎𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘁𝘀 𝗲𝗰𝗌𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:


    Website: https://therollup.co/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...

    Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast

    Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco

    Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages

    Follow Andy on X: https://x.com/andyyy

    Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh

    The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures


    𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.


    Aerodrome Co-Founder: What Coinbase Just Did Changes Everything (Here's Why) Aug 25, 2026
    Show notes

    Alex Cutler breaks down how Coinbase's partnership with Aerodrome turned cbBTC into the top-traded Bitcoin venue onchain within a week, and explains why he believes the same playbook is about to repeat with tokenized equities at a $100 trillion addressable market. He also unpacks Coinbase's thesis that 10% of global GDP could move onchain within five years, and why he thinks true beneficial ownership structures represent a "leapfrog moment" over earlier synthetic tokenized stock attempts.

    Alex Cutler is the Co-Founder of Aerodrome and CEO of Dromos Labs, the team behind the leading decentralized exchange on Base and a primary venue for trading tokenized equities.

    The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    09:22 Coinbase's Wrapped Bitcoin Playbook

    13:43 The Revenue Meta Thesis

    17:21 10% Of Global GDP Onchain

    24:03 Real Ownership Vs Synthetic Tokens

    26:04 Coinbase's Leapfrog Moment Explained


    Guest Socials:

    Alex Cutler X: https://x.com/wagmiAlexander

    Aerodrome X: https://x.com/AerodromeFi

    Aerodrome Website: https://aerodrome.finance/


    Partners:

    If you run concentrated liquidity positions you know the grind. Price moves, you're out of range, you're rebalancing at, like, 3am. 1inch Aqua lets you take a different approach. You can stack multiple positions on the same token balance instead of babysitting a dozen pools, and your tokens never leave your wallet. Your liquidity stays awake, so you can catch up on your sleep. Check it out at https://1inch.com/aqua

    ---

    Dinari - Over 230 1:1 backed tokenized stocks, ETFs & more with dividends. US-based SEC transfer agent. Available on 5+ chains & via API. https://dinari.com/

    ---

    Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.

    ---

    Relay is the fastest and most reliable way to swap any token on any chain. Learn more here: https://relay.link/bridge

    ---

    Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.

    Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/

    ---

    𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗎𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘁𝘀 𝗲𝗰𝗌𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:


    Website: https://therollup.co/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...

    Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast

    Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco

    Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages

    Follow Andy on X: https://x.com/andyyy

    Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh

    The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures

    .

    𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.


    Circle Head Of AI: Agents Are Already Eating All Of Finance (Writing Is On The Wall) Aug 24, 2026
    Show notes

    Circle's new agentic finance wizard Shafu Elfouly joins us to unpack why he's betting his career on the acceleration of agentic finance. He breaks down x402, the 30-year-old unused HTTP payment status code that stablecoins finally activated, letting AI agents pay for API access with one unified wallet instead of juggling dozens of subscriptions and API keys. He also takes us through Circle's full agent stack offering a glimpse into the future where anyone can deploy an agent with instant USDC payment access, and more.

    Shafu Elfouly is a Staff Software Engineer at Circle, working on x402 and the infrastructure powering agentic commerce with USDC.

    The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    01:47 HTTP & x402 Payments Explained

    03:32 Agents Will Spend Billions Online

    05:05 99.9% Of Agentic Finance Is USDC

    08:42 Integration Takes One Hour To Deploy

    10:33 Circle Agent Stack Explained

    12:09 Supply Side Is The Bottleneck Now

    14:24 Everyone Will Have An Agentic

    16:24 Circle & Anthropic Story

    18:05 Open Standard Vs Closed Platforms

    20:03 AOL Vs Open Internet

    22:25 Millions of Agent Transfers Are Happening

    24:32 Restaurant Reservations Via Agents


    Partners:

    If you run concentrated liquidity positions you know the grind. Price moves, you're out of range, you're rebalancing at, like, 3am. 1inch Aqua lets you take a different approach. You can stack multiple positions on the same token balance instead of babysitting a dozen pools, and your tokens never leave your wallet. Your liquidity stays awake, so you can catch up on your sleep. Check it out at https://1inch.com/aqua

    ---

    Dinari - Over 230 1:1 backed tokenized stocks, ETFs & more with dividends. US-based SEC transfer agent. Available on 5+ chains & via API. https://dinari.com/

    ---

    Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.

    ---

    Relay is the fastest and most reliable way to swap any token on any chain. Learn more here: https://relay.link/bridge

    ---

    Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.

    Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/

    ---

    𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗎𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘁𝘀 𝗲𝗰𝗌𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:


    Website: https://therollup.co/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...

    Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast

    Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco

    Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages

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    Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh

    The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures


    𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.


    ARKInvest Digital Assets: The Next Bull Market Will Be The Biggest Ever (What We Expect) Aug 22, 2026
    Show notes

    ARKInvest Digital Asset team Raye Hadi and Lorenzo Valente join us for a state of digital assets special. We debate whether token buybacks actually create value or if the correlation with top performers is just circular logic. They also tackle the trillion dollar question: whether Solana and Ethereum even need to capture fee revenue if they're hosting trillions in assets, and why Hyperliquid's app-layer monetization model might be the smarter blueprint than base-layer fees.

    Raye Hadi is a Research Associate in Digital Assets at ARK Invest. Lorenzo Valente is the Director of Research at ARK Invest, a leading investment firm known for its research on disruptive innovation including digital assets.

    The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    02:52 Perps, Tokenization, Stablecoins, Vaults

    07:21 Crypto Equities Vs Tokens Debate

    16:03 Regulatory Path Dependency Debate

    17:06 Buybacks Correlate With Revenue

    19:27 Are Buybacks Actually Stupid

    28:12 Do L1s Even Need Revenue

    30:11 Does Solana Need To Make Money

    30:54 Hyperliquid Internalizes Stablecoin Yield

    38:56 Sizing The Meme Coin Market

    41:06 Debating Zcash's Place In The Barbell

    46:44 Why Privacy And Self Custody Matter


    Guest Socials:

    Lorenzo Valente X: https://x.com/LorenzoARK

    Raye Hadi X: https://x.com/rhadiARK

    ARK Invest X: https://x.com/ARKinvest

    ARK Invest Website: https://www.ark-invest.com/


    Partners:

    If you run concentrated liquidity positions you know the grind. Price moves, you're out of range, you're rebalancing at, like, 3am. 1inch Aqua lets you take a different approach. You can stack multiple positions on the same token balance instead of babysitting a dozen pools, and your tokens never leave your wallet. Your liquidity stays awake, so you can catch up on your sleep. Check it out at https://1inch.com/aqua

    ---

    Dinari - Over 230 1:1 backed tokenized stocks, ETFs & more with dividends. US-based SEC transfer agent. Available on 5+ chains & via API. https://dinari.com/

    ---

    Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.

    ---

    Relay is the fastest and most reliable way to swap any token on any chain. Learn more here: https://relay.link/bridge

    ---

    Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.

    Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/

    ---

    𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄:


    Website: https://therollup.co/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...

    Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast

    Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco

    Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages

    Follow Andy on X: https://x.com/andyyy

    Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh

    The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures


    𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.


    Mert & Dev: Zcash Is About To Explode (Full Project Update) Aug 21, 2026
    Show notes

    Mert Mumtaz and Dev, the Osmosis founder now leading Zcash scaling at Valor Group, join us to explain the massive developments in Zcash as of late.

    The two of them break down how over 90% of Zcash's supply migrated out of the Orchard pool following the Ironwood upgrade, addressing the vulnerability fears that spread across the community. They also unpack the upcoming Tachyon upgrade's post-quantum vision, and exactly how Zcash will get there.

    Mert Mumtaz is the CEO of Helius, a leading Solana infrastructure provider.

    Dev is the Founder of Osmosis and now leads Valor Group, a company dedicated to scaling Zcash.

    The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    04:13 90% Of Zcash Migrated From Orchard Pool

    07:27 What Actually Happened?

    10:03 Formal Verification Explained

    14:07 Zcash Is Still Early

    19:56 ZK Explainer

    22:53 Quantum Resistance Claims

    25:16 One Big Upgrade Coming

    31:02 Will Bitcoin Be Ready For Quantum?


    Guest Socials:

    Mert X: https://x.com/mert

    Helius X: https://x.com/Helius

    Helius Website: https://www.helius.dev/

    Dev X: https://x.com/zkDragon

    Osmosis X: https://x.com/osmosis

    Osmosis Website: https://osmosis.zone/


    Partners:

    If you run concentrated liquidity positions you know the grind. Price moves, you're out of range, you're rebalancing at, like, 3am. 1inch Aqua lets you take a different approach. You can stack multiple positions on the same token balance instead of babysitting a dozen pools, and your tokens never leave your wallet. Your liquidity stays awake, so you can catch up on your sleep. Check it out at https://1inch.com/aqua

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    Dinari - Over 230 1:1 backed tokenized stocks, ETFs & more with dividends. US-based SEC transfer agent. Available on 5+ chains & via API. https://dinari.com/

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    Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.

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    Relay is the fastest and most reliable way to swap any token on any chain. Learn more here: https://relay.link/bridge

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    Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.

    Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/

    ---

    𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗎𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘁𝘀 𝗲𝗰𝗌𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:


    Website: https://therollup.co/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...

    Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast

    Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco

    Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages

    Follow Andy on X: https://x.com/andyyy

    Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh

    The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures


    𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.


    Underneath The Hood Of The Rapidly Growing Neobank Sector With Rain CTO Charles Yoo-Naut Aug 19, 2026
    Show notes

    Rain Co-Founder Charles Yoo-Naut joins us for a look underneath the exploding neobank sector, which has exploded from $5m/month to $250m+/month in crypto-card volume in less than a year.


    He breaks down how Rain went from a stablecoin-backed card issuer for crypto-native DAOs to a platform powering over 200 card programs, including a landmark partnership with Western Union and more.


    Charles Yoo-Naut is the Co-Founder and CTO of Rain, a stablecoin-backed card issuing platform that powers programs for Western Union and 200+ other partners.


    The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    02:52 Stablecoins Spent Instantly On Visa

    04:09 Built For Underbanked Digital Asset Teams

    05:16 200 Programs Now Powered By Rain

    09:44 Rain Powers Western Union Cards

    12:27 How Rain Makes Money

    15:00 Stablecoin Spend Data Revealed

    18:00 Genius Act Impact On Rain

    21:00 Compliance Licensing Takes Years

    24:00 You Cannot Vibe Code Rain

    28:23 Co-Founder Dynamic Explained

    30:31 Building With AI From Day One


    Guest Socials:

    Charles Yoo-Naut X: https://x.com/cnaut

    Rain X: https://x.com/raincards

    Rain Website: https://www.rain.xyz/


    Partners:

    If you run concentrated liquidity positions you know the grind. Price moves, you're out of range, you're rebalancing at, like, 3am. 1inch Aqua lets you take a different approach. You can stack multiple positions on the same token balance instead of babysitting a dozen pools, and your tokens never leave your wallet. Your liquidity stays awake, so you can catch up on your sleep. Check it out at https://1inch.com/aqua

    ---

    Dinari - Over 230 1:1 backed tokenized stocks, ETFs & more with dividends. US-based SEC transfer agent. Available on 5+ chains & via API. https://dinari.com/

    ---

    Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.

    Learn more here: https://www.spaceandtime.io/

    ---

    Relay is the fastest and most reliable way to swap any token on any chain. Learn more here: https://relay.link/bridge

    ---

    Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.

    Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/

    ---


    𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗎𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘁𝘀 𝗲𝗰𝗌𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:


    Website: https://therollup.co/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...

    Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast

    Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco

    Follow Rob on X: https://x.com/robbieklages

    Follow Andy on X: https://x.com/andyyy

    Join our TG group: https://t.me/+TsM1CRpWFgk1NGZh

    The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures

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    𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.

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