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    The Pain Trade Podcast

    The Pain Trade Podcast — what it costs, and what it pays.

    In markets, the pain trade is the position that hurts to hold, and pays because it hurts. Every field has one: the last rep, the lean years, the comeback nobody expected.

    Weekly in-studio conversations with people who overcame what should have broken them — in business, in markets, in health, in life.

    Hosted by Michael A. Gayed, CFA — active portfolio manager, five-time Dow Award winner, founder of Lead-Lag Media, and publisher of The Lead-Lag Report.

    Health, fitness, finance, entrepreneurship, and the struggle that connects them. New episodes weekly.

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    Understanding the Aftermath of Fastest Rate Hike Cycle: Tavi Costa's Critical Analysis Oct 21, 2023
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    Are you prepared for the seismic shifts that could reshape your financial portfolio? Guest Tavi Costa of Craskin Capital offers his expert perspective. Armed with a bearish outlook on financial assets and the treasury market, Tavi unpacks the shockwaves of the recent rate hike, the unexpected speed and magnitude of the sell-off, and the need for a thorough restructuring of investment portfolios. He also provides valuable insights on capitalizing on cheap volatility and prophesizes the potential aftermath of the fastest rate hike cycle in history.
    Probing further, we unravel Tavi's fears about fiscal stimulus, inflation, and the potential impact on financial markets. He casts a critical eye on the high levels of government spending against the backdrop of low tax revenues and how the economy is shackled to this spending pattern. The discussion takes a deeper dive into the Federal Reserve's predicament of plummeting demand for Federal debt and treasuries, and how this downward spiral could instigate more inflationary policies. Also, we scratch beneath the surface of the commodity cycle, deflation pulses, and the volatility-induced uncertainty around discount rates.
    We also chart a course for investing in Brazil's emerging markets, uncovering the role of the commodity cycle and its potential to ignite a significant shift. Tavi elucidates the distinct economic landscapes of the BRICS nations, underscoring the need for analysts and investors to prioritize profitability over mere growth. We touch on the influence of AI on emerging markets, and explore the potential of capital inflows into Brazilian markets. As we conclude, we also dissect the challenges posed to mega-cap stocks and the AI market by inflation and interest rates. Tune in for an episode teeming with expert insight, market forecasts, and invaluable investment advice.
    ANTICIPATE STOCK MARKET CRASHES, CORRECTIONS, AND BEAR MARKETS WITH AWARD WINNING RESEARCH. Sign up for The Lead-Lag Report at https://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive and get 30% off as a podcast listener.
    Nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities.
    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    David Rosenberg Sheds Light on the Economic Impact of Interest Rates Oct 20, 2023
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    Just how potent is the influence of interest rates on the economy and financial assets? If this question piques your interest, then you're in for a treat as financial market and macro forecasting consultant, David Rosenberg, ventures into this intricate topic in an illuminating conversation. Drawing on his rich career experience and his keen focus on the buy side, David reveals the profound impact of interest rates on long-duration assets. He also offers keen insights into the bond market and the Federal Reserve's reaction function, particularly in light of the central bank's recent hawkish guidance that sparked a reset in the bond market.
    But that's not all. We also tackle the surprising moves of the Federal Reserve in the market, delving into the reasons behind the lag in treasury movement relative to credit spreads. We explore the potential ramifications of an increased cost of capital on the corporate sector and contemplate the possibility of a credit event occurring at the end of the year due to the rollover of debt. How can the bond market anticipate this? Listen in as David illustrates the potential pathways.
    Then, we broaden our gaze to the global economic landscape, examining the impact of real estate on regional banks and the potential of Japan as a source of real credit stress. We also uncover the multifaceted influences of China's structural slowdown and debt detonation, the strength of the US dollar, and the precarious state of Germany's principal trading partners, Russia and China. This is not just another discussion on global economics - it's a deep dive into the intricate web of factors at play in our interconnected world. So, join us for this enlightening conversation and arm yourself with a better understanding of the complex world of global economics.
    ANTICIPATE STOCK MARKET CRASHES, CORRECTIONS, AND BEAR MARKETS WITH AWARD WINNING RESEARCH. Sign up for The Lead-Lag Report at https://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive and get 30% off as a podcast listener.
    Nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities.
    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    Deconstructing the Enigma of Mortgage Rates: A Comprehensive Analysis of the US Housing Market with Len Kiefer Oct 19, 2023
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    Are you ready to deconstruct the enigma of rapidly escalating mortgage rates and their impact on the US housing market? We've rolled out the red carpet for our esteemed guest, Len Kiefer, Deputy Chief Economist at Freddie Mac, who brings a wealth of insight to elucidate this multifaceted issue. We're going to scrutinize the explosive pace of this rate surge, an event unparalleled in modern US history. Alongside, we will be probing into its ramifications on home sales, and the potential strain it might put on consumers who are already grappling with existing debts.
    The discussion expands to include a comparative study between the current lock-in effect of mortgage rates and the scenario in the 1980s. We'll illuminate the influence of Airbnb-like properties and talk about the effects of the reduced homebuilding activity post 2008. Delving into demographic dynamics, we explore how the millennial population is shaping the housing market and ponder on the potential challenges that could stem from an upswing in bank lending.
    We end by casting a lens on the nationwide housing shortage, scrutinizing its roots in supply-demand dynamics and vacancy rates. With the help of Census data and demographic factors such as age, education, and income, we'll make an educated guess about the long-term housing demand. We'll tackle the influence of second homes, naturally vacant housing, short-term rentals, and investors on the housing market, and discuss how the shift towards remote work and the inversion of the yield curve might impact the future housing scenario. So, gear up for an enlightening discussion that's backed with data and brimming with insights about the US housing market and the mortgage industry.
    ANTICIPATE STOCK MARKET CRASHES, CORRECTIONS, AND BEAR MARKETS WITH AWARD WINNING RESEARCH. Sign up for The Lead-Lag Report at https://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive and get 30% off as a podcast listener.
    Nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities.
    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    Exploring the Interplay of Rental Properties and the Housing Market with Analyst Amy Nixon Oct 18, 2023
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    Are you ready to demystify the buzz around aggressive renterism? Join us on this intellectual journey with our guest, Amy Nixon, a Dallas-based macro and housing analyst. We cut through the hype, fueled by social media influencers and low-interest rates, and examine the rise of passive income investments like Airbnb. We'll also shed light on the risks and suggest you seek expert financial advice before venturing into these investments.
    Fasten your seatbelts as we deep-dive into the intricate world of rental properties and their significant impact on the housing market. Together, we unearth the inflationary nature of administrative policies and the resulting delay in expected effects. We don't shy away from the big topics either: a potential credit event, recession implications, and the emergence of a feedback loop as mortgage rates reach historic heights.
    Lastly, we sketch out the role of homebuilders in the real estate game. When faced with potential challenges such as the private loan market and the Fed's rate buy downs, how do they strategize? Our discussion uncovers harsh market corrections, the possibility of a repeat negative drop and the snowball effect of price-cutting by builders. Join us for an enlightening exploration of the forces that shape our housing market.
    ANTICIPATE STOCK MARKET CRASHES, CORRECTIONS, AND BEAR MARKETS WITH AWARD WINNING RESEARCH. Sign up for The Lead-Lag Report at https://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive and get 30% off as a podcast listener.
    Nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities.
    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

    Sign up to The Lead-Lag Report on Substack and get 30% off the annual subscription today by visiting http://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive.


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    Exploring Volatility and Trading Nuances in a Faltering Economy with Doug Moglia Oct 09, 2023
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    What would it mean for you to navigate the murky waters of the Federal Reserve's rapid tightening of monetary policy like a seasoned trader? Imagine the feeling of control as you grasp the interplay of intermarket relationships and lending standards to assess the unpredictability of a new bull market. Join us alongside Doug Moglia, a leading voice from Game of Trades, as we dissect these complexities and explore the implications for banks as they tighten their lending standards against a backdrop of a faltering economy.
    Feel the pulse of the market as we venture into the world of volatility and the subtle nuances of trading. With Doug guiding us, we unpack the significance of the VIX for hedging and the potential influence of zero DTE volume trading on intraday market movements. We dare to question the possibility of a 2021 recession and its depth, scrutinizing the wealth effect of stocks and housing prices. We examine the potential impact of inflation on company earnings and ponder on the investment value of precious metals during a recession.
    As we move through the storm, we look for beacons to guide us to safer and potentially lucrative investment shores. We investigate potential indicators of when to venture into riskier market areas during a recession, considering credit spreads, energy weightings, and the influence of the US dollar on international equities. Doug suggests an unexpected potential investment in Turkish stocks due to a policy shift combating inflation. As we wrap up, find out how to stay connected with Game of Trades beyond this conversation. Listen in, learn, and evolve your trading strategy with us.
    ANTICIPATE STOCK MARKET CRASHES, CORRECTIONS, AND BEAR MARKETS WITH AWARD WINNING RESEARCH. Sign up for The Lead-Lag Report at https://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive and get 30% off as a podcast listener.
    Nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities.
    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    Exploring Bonds, Options, and 'End of the World' Scenarios: A Deep Dive into Market Trends with Erik Smolinski Oct 08, 2023
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    Ever wondered how the end of the world scenario could possibly be the bull case this time around? Well, you're in luck! My conversation with Erik Smolinski delves into the fascinating world of bonds, options, and how Twitter's Spaces platform is shaping up. Erik presents a captivating narrative on the state of the market, exploring the unprecedented ramp up cycle of the S&P and the delicate intricacies of options pricing. We also grapple with the riddle of whether there are more overvaluation calls versus puts for broad average options.
    As we navigate the complex terrain of investing in bonds, we tackle the rising speed of treasury yields and the implications of current market trends. Together, Erik and I dissect the unique weekly correlation between stocks and treasuries that we've observed in the past year and a half. We consider how the rapid selling off of treasuries could rock the markets and spawn an 'end of the world' scenario that could ironically be the bull case for stocks.
    Finally, we pivot to the resilience of the consumer, the decline of retail stocks, and the potential domino effect of the looming pension refinancing crisis on the stock market. Through Erik's insightful observations of consumer spending and experiences trading options around earnings, we glean valuable insights. We round off with an exploration of the potential of volatility products, the fading of utilities, real estate, and the impact of treasury yields on the bond market. Tune in for this riveting journey into the heart of finance and investing!
    ANTICIPATE STOCK MARKET CRASHES, CORRECTIONS, AND BEAR MARKETS WITH AWARD WINNING RESEARCH. Sign up for The Lead-Lag Report at https://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive and get 30% off as a podcast listener.
    Nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities.
    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

    Sign up to The Lead-Lag Report on Substack and get 30% off the annual subscription today by visiting http://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive.


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    From Market Instability to Media Influence: A Comprehensive Analysis with Herb Greenberg Oct 07, 2023
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    Will the market crash? How are inflation, AI mania, and reshoring in America shaping our financial future? These are just a few of the complex dynamics that we tackle with our guest, Herb Greenberg. Herb, a seasoned financial analyst, helps us make sense of the increasing market red flags and the potential looming recession. With his unique perspective, we traverse the effects of inflation on everyday activities and the consequent implications for certain companies.
    Venturing into the world of stocks, we dissect the concept of stock avoidance and the frenzy around AI in the market. We delve into the idea of long-term investing as a viable alternative to short-term trading, and the opportunities that bear markets present for identifying stocks to avoid. We also shine a light on the potential of reshoring in America, a potential economic boon that's often overlooked.
    Lastly, we address the elephant in the room - the media. From its impact on market caps to the influence of social media on algorithms and the global market, we lay it all bare. We ponder the potential of a deceptive lost decade caused by our current market structure and discuss the often underappreciated role of management quality in investment decisions. With Herb sharing his experience as a CNBC contributor, we also delve into the need for maintaining a respectful tone during interviews. Join us in this enlightening conversation - a treasure trove of valuable insights for anyone invested in the future of finance.
    ANTICIPATE STOCK MARKET CRASHES, CORRECTIONS, AND BEAR MARKETS WITH AWARD WINNING RESEARCH. Sign up for The Lead-Lag Report at https://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive and get 30% off as a podcast listener.
    Nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities.
    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

    Sign up to The Lead-Lag Report on Substack and get 30% off the annual subscription today by visiting http://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive.


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    Navigating the Intricate Terrain of AI: Implications, Opportunities, and Challenges with Paul Scharre Oct 06, 2023
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    Get ready to explore the nooks and crannies of the fascinating world of artificial intelligence with our esteemed guest, Paul Scharre. With an impressive background across the US Army, the Pentagon and as an author, Paul navigates us through the intricate terrain of autonomous weapons. This episode takes you on a journey across the multifaceted layers of AI, from its integration into warfare to its disruptive impact across various sectors. Be prepared to have your horizons broadened as we delve deep into the technical, legal, ethical, and political questions that AI brings up.
    Have you ever wondered how AI is influencing the race for technological supremacy? Or perhaps, how businesses need to gear up to stay relevant? Our conversation with Paul unravels these complex issues, touching upon the data and hardware requirements for training large AI models and how the media plays a significant role in shaping AI demand. You'll hear pointers on how certain professions could gain a disproportionate advantage from AI. Not just that, we also address the public's perception of AI, its landscape, and the implications of AI regulation in the US and China.
    Finally, we shift our focus to some of the pressing concerns surrounding AI proliferation and potential fraud. Amidst the challenges of verifying identities in an era where AI can mimic human interaction, we discuss how current authentication methods might need to evolve. Paul offers his insights into the readiness of local law enforcement to handle these potential issues. This episode is a goldmine of information for anyone intrigued by the future of AI in jobs, power, and public perception. Trust us, you won't want to miss this one!
    ANTICIPATE STOCK MARKET CRASHES, CORRECTIONS, AND BEAR MARKETS WITH AWARD WINNING RESEARCH. Sign up for The Lead-Lag Report at https://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive and get 30% off as a podcast listener.
    Nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities.
    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

    Sign up to The Lead-Lag Report on Substack and get 30% off the annual subscription today by visiting http://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive.


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    Decoding Japan's Quantitative Easing Impact and Exploring the Future of Cannabis with Financial Expert Danny Moses Sep 29, 2023
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    Think you know the ripple effects of Japan's Quantitative Easing experiment on global markets? Test your knowledge as we engage in an in-depth conversation with the renowned financial expert, Danny Moses. Our discussion not only shines a light on his illustrious career journey but also dissects the effects of Japan's QE measures on the global arena, particularly focusing on U.S. Treasuries and the U.S. government.
    Feel the pulse of the market as we navigate through the widening credit spreads, revealing the stark divide between the haves and have-nots in the corporate credit market. This episode navigates the often-underestimated role of leverage and its potential risks in a landscape of rising interest rates. We also dissect the impact of high levels of floating rate debt, the financialization of the economy, and the withdrawal of bank lending, all of which are key aspects shaping the U.S. consumer's financial scenario.
    Last but not least, join us as we explore the possibilities and conjecture surrounding the classification of cannabis as a Schedule 1 drug. We take you through the potential catalysts that could bring about this change. Listen in for Danny's unique insights on portfolio allocation and market trends, as we deep-dive into his strategic positioning for various scenarios. This episode promises to be an enlightening journey for anyone interested in the global market dynamics, offering expert insights from the one and only, Danny Moses. Don't miss out!
    ANTICIPATE STOCK MARKET CRASHES, CORRECTIONS, AND BEAR MARKETS WITH AWARD WINNING RESEARCH. Sign up for The Lead-Lag Report at https://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive and get 30% off as a podcast listener.
    Nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities.
    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

    Sign up to The Lead-Lag Report on Substack and get 30% off the annual subscription today by visiting http://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive.


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    Understanding Volatility Dynamics and Value Investing with Dan Ferris Sep 28, 2023
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    We sit down with financial expert, Dan Ferris in this episode, as he shares his perspective on the current financial landscape and his approach to value investing. Dan, editor of two Stansberry newsletters and host of the Stansberry Investor Hour podcast, is convinced we're living through the biggest financial mega bubble in human history. He shares historical insights on monetary policy, from the liquidity injection of the late 90s to the Global Financial Crisis, and examines the implications of the Federal Reserve's 2% inflation target.
    This episode provides a comprehensive discussion about the role of central banks and their impact on wealth distribution. We delve into the mindset of Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell, his stance on inflation, and the consequences of the US Dollar's dominance. Gain insights into why no Central Bank wants to be the first to act, and the potential risks associated with aggressive tightening of interest rates.
    Toward the end, we shift focus to investment strategies amidst market uncertainty. Discover opportunities in T-bill returns, the housing market, and the importance of volatility dynamics. Dan, armed with his wealth of experience, lends his perspective on various subgroups and industries that may be of interest to investors. This enlightening discussion offers a unique view into the world of finance, assessing risks, and making informed investment decisions. Don't miss out!
    ANTICIPATE STOCK MARKET CRASHES, CORRECTIONS, AND BEAR MARKETS WITH AWARD WINNING RESEARCH. Sign up for The Lead-Lag Report at https://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive and get 30% off as a podcast listener.
    Nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities.
    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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