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    The Marketing Architects

    Introducing a research-first podcast that builds revenue, not condos.

    Answer questions on the biggest marketing trends and news with discussions based in marketing, psychology and economics research. Along the way, learn about marketing accountability, category leadership, brand-building and much more.

    Featuring a team of experienced marketers whose blueprints for success are marketing strategies actually proven to work.

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    Latest Episodes:
    The Hidden Costs of Low-Quality Media Mar 12, 2024
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    Programmatic advertising is bigger than ever. AI’s transforming media buying. Ad fraud continues to grow. And now, MFA (made for advertising) sites have emerged as top contenders for ad dollars. Clearly, there are a few reasons to be concerned about media quality.
    In today's episode, Elena, Angela, and Rob are addressing the impact of AI on digital advertising, the rise of made-for-advertising (MFA) inventory, the costs and benefits of offline vs online media, and how much brand safety really matters.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Global ad spend will double its growth this year, thanks to AI
    • [02:30] What are MFA sites?
    • [04:00] Balancing cost and quality in media buys
    • [08:00] Why low-quality inventory isn’t cost-effective
    • [10:30] How offline channels differ from digital
    • [14:30] How to judge media quality
    • [15:30] AI’s impact on digital advertising

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast
    Resources:
    2023 ANA Report: https://www.ana.net/miccontent/show/id/rr-2023-12-ana-programmatic-media-supply-chain-transparency-study
    2024 WARC Article: https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/opinion/why-media-quality-will-take-centre-stage-in-2024/en-gb/6531
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Are Celebrities in Advertising Worth the Price? Mar 05, 2024
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    Kim Kardashian and Skims. Snoop Dogg’s 'smokeless’ stunt for Solo Brands. And of course, celebrity-packed Super Bowl commercials. What’s the true power of star power in advertising?
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are discussing the benefits (and risks) of using a celebrity to promote your brand. Because while celebrities can drive strong attention to your ad, they typically come with high price tags, can feel inauthentic if they aren’t clearly connected to your brand, and can even draw attention away from your product or service through the ‘vampire effect.’ The team talks through when a celebrity might not be the right choice and how to find the right partner when you are pursuing a celebrity endorser.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:30] The types of celebrity endorsements
    • [02:30] The history of celebrities in advertising
    • [05:30] How celebrities drive greater attention in ads
    • [08:00] The pros and cons of partnering with a celebrity
    • [11:30] Using characters vs celebrities
    • [13:00] How to choose the right celebrity for your brand
    • [17:30] Marketing Architects’ celebrity fantasy draft

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast.
    Resources:
    2023 Knowledge at Wharton Article: https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/the-marketing-psychology-behind-celebrity-endorsements/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Break the Digital Doom Loop Feb 27, 2024
    Show notes

    As a marketer, going all-in on digital can seem like a safe choice. After all, 72% of marketers say digital campaigns are easier to measure than traditional channels. But is digital alone actually what’s most effective?
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by SVP Partnerships Jordan Mauer to discuss the ideal balance for online and offline channels. Jordan’s marketing experience includes work for companies like US Bank, Visa, NASCAR, and Shutterfly. And he has strong feelings about the importance of offline channels, including TV advertising, for growing a business.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:30] Digital vs offline channels for brand-building
    • [06:30] Why marketers’ bias is usually toward digital
    • [07:30] The limitations of online advertising
    • [09:45] The biggest barriers to testing offline channels
    • [14:00] How to test offline on a budget
    • [16:00] Introducing Misfits & Machines!

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast.
    Resources:
    2023 MarketingWeek Article: https://www.marketingweek.com/digital-offline-marketer-brand-building/
    2020 Marketing AX Borders Article: https://marketingacrossborders.blog/2020/06/13/why-online-media-is-overrated-as-a-brand-building-channel/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    The Great Reach vs Frequency Debate Feb 20, 2024
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    It’s hard enough to agree on definitions for “reach” and “frequency.” Consensus on the ideal balance between the two is just about impossible.
    The internet is undeniably divided over this topic, but Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined this week by VP of Analytics Matt Hultgren to finally settle the debate. Which drives better business results—broadening your audience reach or increasing the number of times your target sees your ad? Does this change across marketing channels? Or even industry and type of business? As with many marketing topics, the answers aren’t entirely straightforward.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Defining reach and frequency
    • [03:30] Why your first impression is the most valuable
    • [06:00] Why is reach vs frequency so hotly debated?
    • [09:30] Frequency on linear vs streaming TV
    • [13:00] How creative quality affects frequency
    • [15:30] How do you plan a campaign optimized for both reach and frequency?

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast.
    Resources:
    2010 Ehrenberg-Bass Article: https://marketingscience.info/frequency-and-frequency-something-to-watch-out-for/
    B2B Institute Article: https://business.linkedin.com/marketing-solutions/b2b-institute/b2b-research/trends/reach-maximalism
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Understanding Marketing Research with Notre Dame’s Dr. Mitch Olsen Feb 13, 2024
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    The US might be behind in marketing effectiveness—at least according to Mark Ritson. But why? What does the state of marketing effectiveness and research really look like?
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by Dr. Mitch Olsen, marketing professor and director of undergraduate studies at the University of Notre Dame, to answer that very question. With rich experience in both the corporate and academic worlds of marketing, Mitch shares his thoughts on the state of marketing effectiveness in the US, the process behind publishing marketing research, and how the next generation of marketers are being taught to prioritize business outcomes in their work.
    Topics covered:

    • [02:00] Mark Ritson’s take on effectiveness in the US
    • [03:30] Mitch’s experience marketing at P&G and transition to academia
    • [11:30] The process of publishing marketing research
    • [16:30] Is the US actually behind on effectiveness?
    • [23:30] What marketing education looks like today
    • [26:00] How is TV advertising discussed in the classroom?

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast.
    Resources:
    2023 MarketingWeek Article: https://www.marketingweek.com/effectiveness-ignorance-american-marketing/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Media Mix Modeling is Back in Style Feb 06, 2024
    Show notes

    The biggest ad platforms are leaning into media mix modeling, even when that means giving other ad channels more credit than their own. Why? Well, MMM might just be making a comeback.
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by VP Strategy Dan Cleveland and Director of Analytics Jordan Rossler to talk about all things MMM. They’re digging into the pros and cons of the model, how new tools have made MMM more accessible than ever, and the importance of tying marketing investments back to business results.
    Topics covered:

    • [02:00] Why Facebook, Google and Amazon are adopting MMM
    • [04:30] What is media mix modeling (MMM)?
    • [05:30] Why marketers aren’t satisfied with last-click attribution
    • [10:00] How MMM provides a holistic view of performance
    • [13:00] Meta’s Robyn vs Google’s Lightweight
    • [16:30] Why MMM struggles to measure brand impacts
    • [21:30] How AI will change MMM

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast.
    Resources:
    2023 Adexchanger Article: https://www.adexchanger.com/measurement/why-facebook-google-and-amazon-are-embracing-media-mix-modeling/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Revolutionizing B2B Marketing with Salesforce’s Colin Fleming Jan 30, 2024
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    B2B marketing is behind. Research by BrandFinance shows the top 100 B2B brands have $1 trillion in untapped brand potential... It might just be time for a B2B marketing revolution.
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by Colin Fleming, EVP Global Marketing at Salesforce. Colin leads a team of more than 600 marketers building Salesforce’s brand and customer base. In this episode, he shares how Salesforce identified the need to lean into brand-building, how to balance brand and performance objectives, and why B2B marketers need to spend more time thinking about the humans on the other end of their work.
    Topics covered:

    • [02:00] MarketingWeek on why B2B brands are behind
    • [03:30] Colin’s experience as a F1 racecar driver
    • [08:30] Brand marketing for Salesforce
    • [11:15] Marketing effectiveness for B2B
    • [14:30] Treating B2B like B2C marketing
    • [21:00] Thinking about category entry points (CEPs)
    • [24:00] How Salesforce’s forest characters came to life
    • [33:00] Using TV’s broad reach for business growth

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast.
    Resources:
    2023 BrandFinance Report: https://static.brandirectory.com/reports/brand-finance-global-b2b-brands-index-2023-full-report.pdf
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    What’s the Deal with Distinctive Assets? Jan 23, 2024
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    Only 15% of brand assets are truly distinctive. And just 19% of logos achieve “gold” status in recognizability according to a study by Ipsos and JKR. So where are things going wrong?
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob talk about what makes assets truly distinctive, the most effective formats for memorability, and whether consistency or creativity plays a larger role in an asset’s success. Plus, quiz yourself along with the hosts as they run through some of the most well-known brand assets used today.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] MarketingWeek’s review of brand assets study
    • [04:00] The highest-scoring format for distinctive assets
    • [05:30] Why patience matters for distinctiveness
    • [09:00] Assets need to be memorable, ownable, and have long-term potential
    • [10:00] How distinctive assets have been elevated on TV
    • [14:00] Using AI to evaluate brand assets
    • [18:00] Distinctive assets quiz

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast.
    Resources:
    2023 MarketingWeek Article: https://www.marketingweek.com/15-brand-assets-truly-distinctive-finds-research/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    From the Archive: Is Brand Awareness Overrated or Effective Marketing? Jan 16, 2024
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    This week, we’re resharing one of our top episodes from the archive. Enjoy, and we’ll be back with new content next week!
    Brand is far more measurable today than it was even five years ago. So why are we still questioning brand’s value? Maybe because it’s tough to know exactly how to grow brand. Or how to defend its importance to the business. In this episode, Elena, Angela and Rob tackle brand misconceptions from a performance marketer’s perspective, from what it means to build brand awareness to driving tangible business results related to brand growth.
    Topics covered:

    • [02:00] Brand awareness vs performance marketing
    • [05:30] How can marketers defend brand’s ability to drive business results?
    • [7:00] Defining brand awareness and measuring brand growth
    • [12:00] How to grow your brand
    • [16:00] What physical availability looks like for online businesses
    • [18:30] What business stage is right for focusing on brand-building?

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast.
    Resources:
    2020 The Marketing Student Article: https://www.themarketingstudent.com/how-brands-grow/
    2013 WARC Article: https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/opinion/the-long-and-short-of-it-measuring-campaign-effectiveness-over-time/en-gb/1727
    2023 BuiltIn Article: https://builtin.com/marketing/mere-exposure-effect
    2012 Scientific American Article: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/kahneman-excerpt-thinking-fast-and-slow/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Is 2024 the Year of CTV? Jan 09, 2024
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    Last year, CTV ad spend reached a record high of $25 billion, and it’s only continuing to grow. A survey by the IAB found marketers plan to increase CTV spending by 14.5% in 2024—more than any other channel.
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by VP Media Catherine Walstad to review everything marketers should know about the potential and pitfalls of Connected TV in the upcoming year. Together, they highlight misconceptions about the rise of CTV and explore tactical steps advertisers can take to optimize ad spend, targeting, and attribution for their streaming campaigns.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Streaming and CTV Ad Spend in 2024
    • [04:30] The future of TV advertising
    • [06:30] CTV’s targeting challenges
    • [09:30] Linear vs streaming TV prices
    • [12:00] What’s wrong with CTV measurement?
    • [15:00] The opportunity for testing creative in CTV
    • [23:00] How to drive CTV results for performance marketers

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast.
    Resources:
    2023 eMarketer Report: https://content-na1.emarketer.com/tv-connected-tv-ad-spending-forecasts-2023
    2023 IAB Report: https://www.iab.com/research/2024-outlook-a-snapshot-into-ad-spend-opportunities-and-strategies-for-growth/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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