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The Julia La Roche Show

Julia La Roche brings her listeners in-depth conversations with some of the top CEOs, investors, founders, academics, and rising stars in business. Guests on “The Julia La Roche Show” have included Bill Ackman, Ray Dalio, Marc Benioff, Kyle Bass, Hugh Hendry, Nassim Taleb, Nouriel Roubini, David Friedberg, Anthony Scaramucci, Scott Galloway, Brent Johnson, Jim Rickards, Danielle DiMartino Booth, Carol Roth, Neil Howe, Jim Rogers, Jim Bianco, Josh Brown, and many more. Julia always makes the show about the guest, never the host. She speaks less and listens more. She always does her homework.

Latest Episodes:

#392 George Noble: The Liquidity Cycle Has Turned — Markets Face a "Wile E. Coyote Moment" Jul 21, 2026

Show notes

George Noble, CIO of Noble Capital Advisors and former Fidelity fund manager under Peter Lynch, returns with a stark warning: the global liquidity cycle has turned. Citing "liquidity king" Michael Howell, Noble argues that surging deficits, sticky inflation, and a worldwide capex boom have stripped away the policy safety net markets have relied on since 2009 — setting up a potential "Wile E. Coyote moment" where stocks take a dirt nap and the Fed can't respond. He says the Fed isn't in control, Mr. Market is, and bond yields at 4.5% are "much too low" — fair value may be closer to 5.5-6%. Noble calls the AI trade "far worse than dot-com," with malinvestment 17 times larger, hyperscalers destroying free cash flow, and semis a "huge short." His playbook: ditch the 60/40 portfolio, own the reflation trade — gold, silver, energy, copper, uranium — and he names specific stocks including SSRM, Coeur, Valaris, and CRGY. Plus: why the yen carry trade could break, the TLT-in-Turkish-lira lesson on real money, and his most emphatic call of all — "run, don't walk" from SpaceX before the float unlock. And details on his Best Stock Ideas Summit, July 22nd.

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Links:

George Noble's Best Stock Ideas Online Summit: https://noble-capevents.com/

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Timestamps:

0:00 — Intro; George's Best Stock Ideas Summit July 22nd

1:10 — The global liquidity cycle has turned: Michael Howell's warning

4:31 — "Risk assets are extremely challenged" — rotation and dispersion is the real story

5:30 — Energy vs. Mag 7: free cash flow tells the story

7:03 — Tech is really 50% of the market — why the indices will struggle

8:20 — "Warsh is not in control, Mr. Market is"

10:04 — Why Warsh will blink: the market will force the Fed's hand

10:28 — America's Liz Truss moment? Lending to "the Bank of Julia" at 4.5%

13:34 — Policy options are gone: why this time the Fed can't rescue markets

14:55 — The "Wile E. Coyote moment" ahead for markets

16:17 — Japan: 30-year high JGB yields, the yen, and the carry trade risk

19:01 — Path vs. prediction: why bond yields are "much too low" — 5.5-6% fair value

23:27 — Why the economy shrugs off higher rates (and why that's bearish)

25:17 — All fiat is devaluing against real assets: the dollar fell 60% against gold

27:17 — Buying the gold correction; why miners could double or triple

28:05 — The TLT in Turkish lira: a lesson in your unit of account

30:10 — Why 60/40 is the worst allocation right now — "certificates of confiscation"

34:07 — "Far worse than dot-com": the margin bubble and 17x the malinvestment

36:29 — The internet grew 25 million percent — and the stocks still crashed 90%

39:21 — George names names: SSRM, Coeur, Valaris, CRGY, uranium, junior copper

40:42 — Parting thoughts: the golden age of stock picking

41:45 — SpaceX: "run, don't walk" — why the float unlock means a crash is coming

43:00 — The Best Stock Ideas Summit: 15 investors, one pick each, July 22nd

#391 Chris Whalen: $4 Trillion Private Credit Risk, Double-Digit Inflation & Housing's 2005 Warning Jul 18, 2026

Show notes

In this episode of The Wrap with Chris Whalen, Chris breaks down a blockbuster week of bank earnings — and why the record numbers mask a growing problem. Wall Street trading and investment banking revenues are exploding, but banks aren't making money on money, as asset yields fall for a sixth straight quarter and private credit giants like Apollo poach deals. Whalen flags roughly $4 trillion in bank exposure to non-depository financial institutions, warns "there are no regulators in Washington" watching the risks, and says the housing market's business-purpose loan boom "feels like 2005." He sticks with his double-digit inflation call, arguing diesel — not oil — is the real story, and predicts fuel shortages, maybe even rationing, before the midterm elections. Plus: Kevin Warsh's Greenspan-style Fed debut, gold's selloff as a buying opportunity, viewer questions on Annaly, and a World Cup prediction.

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Timestamps:

0:00 — Intro and welcome

00:55 Bank earnings and oil prices soar as Middle East war reignites

2:36 — Bank earnings disconnect: Wall Street booms, lending shrinks

3:55 — Why big deals keep going to private credit (Apollo, Blackstone)

5:59 — The hidden risk: banks lending directly to private credit funds

9:06 — The $4 trillion exposure — "no regulators watching the hen house"

10:07 — The "Everything Bubble": rising rates, falling yields, record home prices

12:06 — Kevin Warsh's Greenspan-style Fed: "inflation is a choice"

14:40 — Rate hike odds cool — will the Fed wait until after midterms?

15:42 — Energy shortages building: why the Trump administration stays quiet

16:45 — Double-digit inflation call stands; possible rationing by Election Day

17:53 — Iran destroyed Gulf refining capacity — years to rebuild

21:52 — Housing: sales fall 2.4%, median price hits record high

23:14 — "It feels like 2005" — DSCR and non-QM loans flash warning signs

27:19 — Gold selloff: why Chris is buying more (especially silver)

29:37 — Viewer Q: How rates affect Annaly (NLY) — it's all about the spread

31:03 — Viewer Q: Warsh's 2% target vs. $80 oil — a double whammy?

32:27 — Chris's World Cup prediction: Argentina

The content of this podcast is provided for informational, educational, and entertainment purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, or legal advice. Nothing discussed should be interpreted as a recommendation or solicitation to buy, sell, or hold any security. Guests' views are their own. Always do your own research and consult a qualified financial professional before making investment decisions.

#390 Ted Oakley: "It's Not a Normal Market" — A Generational Bear Could Cut Stocks 40% Jul 16, 2026

Show notes

In this episode, Ted Oakley, founder and managing partner of Oxbow Advisors with 49 years in the business, returns to discuss his latest letter, "Stick to Your Principles," and why he believes today's market is anything but normal. He warns that 10-12 companies now make up half the S&P 500, speculation via leveraged ETFs is in the billions, and stocks are roughly three standard deviations above the norm — a setup he says could eventually correct 40% or more in a generational bear market. Oakley explains why investor complacency is the biggest mistake he sees, with three-quarters of all financial assets in stocks and Americans over 70 owning a third of the market. He shares where he's finding value now — energy names like Northern Oil & Gas, Kimbell Royalty, and Antero, plus beaten-down gold miners like Agnico Eagle — and recounts the hard lesson he learned chasing hot oil stocks in the late 1970s. His biggest worry: unsustainable government debt. His surprising source of optimism: a severe downturn, which he views as the buying opportunity of a generation.

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Links:

Oxbow Advisors: https://oxbowadvisors.com/

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Book: https://www.amazon.com/Second-Generation-Wealth-What-Want/dp/1966629168

Timestamps:

0:00 – Introduction: Ted Oakley of Oxbow Advisors returns

0:53 – Semiconductors dominating the market; 10-12 companies are half the S&P

2:10 – "The Gambler": leveraged ETFs and speculation in the billions

3:16 – How leveraged ETFs amplify volatility

4:25 – A market high that "sticks for a while" coming in the next 6-12 months

5:41 – Risk/reward has flipped: 6-8% upside vs. 25% downside

6:38 – A generational bear market could mean a 40-45% correction

8:04 – Investor complacency: 75% of financial assets in stocks, an all-time high

9:26 – Oxbow's positioning: ~60/40 stocks and short-term treasuries

11:04 – The bond market: a possible trade in long-dated treasuries, but not worth the risk

12:19 – Cooler CPI and why inflation could fall further on oil prices

13:36 – What oil industry insiders are saying about drilling and cash flows

14:54 – Everyone's bearish on oil — Ted sees $100+ within 18 months

16:26 – What Ted's buying: Northern Oil & Gas, Kimbell Royalty, Antero, NESR

19:22 – Gold miners cheap after 35-40% correction; Agnico Eagle is Oxbow's top holding

21:09 – Momentum players washing out of gold sets up the next move

22:45 – "Stick to Your Principles": valuation discipline and why pros abandon it

24:16 – Ted's own lesson: getting burned in the late-'70s oil boom

26:00 – The Intel example: sold in '99, took 26 years to hit a new high

27:50 – Why hot IPOs disappoint (SpaceX down 30% from IPO)

29:27 – The boomer risk: over-70s own a third of all stocks

32:04 – Biggest risk: unsustainable government debt and interest costs

33:33 – Why Ted is optimistic about a downturn: liquidity to buy the sale

#389 Larry McDonald: A Market 'Rotten to the Core,' Gold to $6,500, and The Coming Credit Crisis Jul 14, 2026

Show notes

New York Times’ bestselling author Larry McDonald, founder of The Bear Traps Report, returns to The Julia La Roche Show to lay out why he believes markets are entering a major regime shift. He points to a historic rotation out of mega-cap tech — roughly $2 trillion has already exited the "Mag 7" since October — as sophisticated institutional investors grow wary of unsustainable AI/data-center capital expenditures and the off-balance-sheet financing propping them up. McDonald warns of a coming credit crisis driven by private credit weakness and commercial real estate stress, while arguing that Washington's stablecoin push and "financial repression" tactics are being used to force more Treasury buying and inflate away the $39 trillion national debt. With sticky inflation, midterm election risk, and a volatile August-September seasonal pattern ahead, he's positioning in hard assets — gold (targeting $6,500), silver, natural gas, and select energy names — as the trade of the next several years, while sounding the alarm on an S&P 500 he calls dangerously concentrated in tech.

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00:00 – Intro & welcome back

01:11 – Big picture macro setup: bullish-to-bearish rotation among top institutional investors

02:19 – "Under the seat cushions" — what's really going on beneath bank earnings

04:55 – The AI/data center malinvestment cycle & Mag 7 outflows

05:57 – Economic outlook, Druckenmiller's rule, Trump/Middle East risk

08:10 – Recession odds & consumer divergence (Home Depot, Pepsi, Costco)

10:34 – Why the midterms matter for investors

12:53 – Passive investing, S&P concentration, fiduciary "reconstruction"

15:07 – Energy sector picks (Occidental, Schlumberger, XLE)

16:23 – Treasury market "control" — stablecoins, Clarity Act

19:00 – "Bessent's bag of tricks" & debt dynamics

20:33 – Fiscal dominance explained (Lehman vs. post-2020 response)

23:02 – 3% inflation target implications, growth-to-value rotation

25:08 – Hard asset thesis: Bitcoin, natural gas, precious metals

29:21 – Gold outlook & the "hot money flush"

33:14 – Gold price target: $6,500

33:46 – Biggest risks: data center debt, private credit, commercial real estate

37:28 – Kevin Warsh's Fed approach & yield curve control prediction

40:30 – What to watch in H2: seasonality, volatility, August/September risk

42:52 – Closing

#388 Chris Whalen: One Rate Hike Coming, Iran Peace Unlikely, Double-Digit Inflation Inevitable Jul 11, 2026

Show notes

In this episode of The Wrap with Chris Whalen, Chris expects the Federal Reserve will deliver one rate hike before Labor Day despite Warsh's preference to delay—the White House has greenlit it to maintain Warsh's credibility as chairman, and this one hike will likely lead to more because incremental Fed policy changes don't stop at one when fighting inflation. The Iran ceasefire has shattered and won't be fixed: Iran has zero incentive to reach peace with the U.S., wants to tax Strait of Hormuz traffic, and will force Gulf states to build pipelines and avoid the strait entirely—oil refineries won't be rebuilt while shooting continues, causing permanent structural supply damage. U.S. oil stocks are at their lowest level in 20 years, diesel is up 30% this year and ripples through every part of the economy, and California is facing potential rationing after it runs down reserves and stops getting refined products from Asia. Whalen stands firm on his double-digit inflation call despite prediction markets showing lower odds, arguing the real economy—not market probabilities—determines consumer and producer behavior, and rising consumer inflation expectations (3.7% one-year) are changing psychology and forcing real estate hedging. Bank earnings next week will reveal whether credit costs continue rising as spreads widen between Treasuries and corporate bonds, signaling medium-term economic slowdown ahead as speculative companies lose financing access.

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Timestamps:

0:00 Warsh slow walking rate cut, White House greenlit one hike

1:32 FOMC divided, one rate hike likely before Labor Day

2:35 White House supporting Warsh to maintain credibility

3:39 One hike doesn't typically happen alone

4:42 Warsh reducing Fed presence, pulling back on forward guidance

5:10 Fed's 2% target won't change consumer behavior on inflation

7:29 Oil stocks at 20-year low, diesel shortage critical

11:40 Iran ceasefire fragile, no incentive for lasting peace

13:41 U.S. must build pipelines, avoid Strait of Hormuz

14:08 Physical oil stocks depleted, refined products in short supply

15:26 Diesel is political issue - impacts economy, employment

16:06 California facing potential rationing without supplies

16:36 Diesel up 30% this year, ripples through entire economy

17:32 Double-digit inflation thesis still stands despite market skeptics

18:46 Prediction markets vs real economy - spreads tell story

20:06 Consumer inflation expectations hit 3.7% one-year (3-year high)

20:27 Psychology of inflation changes spending and investment behavior

21:34 Real estate traditional hedge, prices skyrocketing

22:20 Spreads widening, economy slowing medium-term

23:35 Earnings season next week - credit costs key indicator

24:19 Midterms - Democrats take House, Trump faces impeachment

25:32 Politics won't change, nothing gets done

26:41 Pfizer building conversion collapsing, structural problems

29:17 Bunker Hill Mining penny stock opportunity, silver revival

31:28 Banks earnings - watch credit costs, mortgage issuers follow

#387 Danielle DiMartino Booth: No Rate Hike Coming, Labor Force Participation Collapsing, Stock Market Too Big To Fail Jul 09, 2026

Show notes

Danielle DiMartino Booth praises the FOMC minutes as "clean" under new Fed Chair Kevin Warsh—no manipulation of data like Janet Yellen did in 2013—and notes Warsh has successfully convened consensus around "less is more" Fed communications with an unusually quiet media environment. The real bombshell is the July jobs data: the unemployment rate fell to 4.2% only because 720,000 Americans gave up looking for work in a single month, representing a 50-year low in labor force participation since 1976, while 49% of adults under 30 now live with their parents as affordability collapses and job insecurity rises. Danielle warns the official narrative of economic strength masks a deteriorating real economy: revolving credit declined (a sign lenders are tightening), consumer confidence shows jobs are hard to get, and vacation spending has crashed to Great Recession levels—yet mainstream media remains fixated on an inflation narrative unsupported by broad data. The biggest systemic risk is the "too big to fail" stock market: 51% of global assets now sit outside the regulated banking system, asset managers hold assets larger than major banks, and the government can't allow equity market collapse when 401(k)s are the only retirement plans left, implying inevitable Fed monetization and the "end of capitalism." Her source of hope: summer interns aged 18-28 who are hungry, hardworking, and reject the "too big to fail" mentality—representing a generation determined to work their way out rather than accept billionaire UBI schemes designed to maintain inequality.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro and welcome back Danielle DiMartino Booth

00:40 FOMC minutes from June - Clean, Warsh didn't manipulate data

1:30 Warsh convened consensus, less is more communications working

2:57 Forward guidance removal, Fed less visible, refreshingly quiet

3:20 Elizabeth Warren defends bloated 12 district banks, Waller calling it out

4:38 Warsh has convened consensus around leadership position

5:13 Warsh refuses forward guidance, hints at ending dot plot

6:23 Inflation cooling seen but Iran hostilities change calculus

6:59 No press conference if nothing to say - Hail Mary move

7:25 Mervyn King taking communications, five task forces with outsiders

8:49 Kalshi traders: 79% hold rates in July, 76% expect no cuts 2026

9:36 Labor force participation 50-year low since 1976

15:35 720,000 Americans gave up looking for work in one month

16:05 Unemployment fell to 4.2% but for wrong reasons

16:59 Full-time jobs destroyed, replaced by gig workers

17:36 Labor market called stable but disconnect with data

18:18 Jobs hard to get at highest level, Americans aware

19:30 Revolving credit down, unusual sign of lender tightening

20:20 49% of adults under 30 living with parents

21:12 Five of 20 K-Shiller metro areas below 2000 price levels

22:35 Young people disenfranchised, AI destroying college degree value

24:32 Stock market too big to fail - implies Fed buying equities

25:01 Inequality gap - bottom 10% stock holdings fell 3% to 1%

26:14 Top 0.1% holdings doubled, bottom K getting bigger

26:33 Worry about social fabric fraying with K-shaped economy

29:16 Billionaires pushing UBI while controlling AI benefits

30:14 Work ethic is what made America great

30:30 Writing piece on too big to fail for weekly flagship

32:08 51% of global assets outside regulated banking system

33:34 Summer interns give hope - bright, hungry, great work ethic

34:45 Young generation rejects too big to fail narrative

#386 Michael Every: Economic Statecraft Changed Everything, Old Playbook Is Dead, New Era Begins Jul 07, 2026

Show notes

Michael Every, Global Strategist for Economics and Markets at Rabobank, presents a radical framework: everything is now about economic statecraft and geopolitics, not traditional monetary or fiscal policy, meaning central banks, interest rates, and economic structures are all subsets of national security objectives. Central bank models are broken because exogenous geopolitical supply shocks (Iran war, Ukraine, COVID) constantly disrupt equilibrium assumptions, and the old playbook of managing demand through one global interest rate no longer works in a fragmenting world with different sectors having different national security priorities. He warns the biggest risk is far more war ahead, specifically predicting Iran war will resume after the midterms because tolls, sanctions, uranium, and Lebanon remain unresolved—Iran is losing leverage as oil flows increase and the world moves on, so it will need to "rock the boat" to regain attention. Interest rates will trend higher due to massive fiscal pressures on defense spending, reshoring, supply chain security, and infrastructure investment, and differential interest rates will emerge where sectors critical to national security borrow cheaper than speculative sectors. He argues the private sector will be tasked with moonshot innovations (like AI and Manhattan Project-style programs) that governments can't afford alone, with government potentially taking stakes in critical companies like OpenAI and Intel. On the Strait of Hormuz, he dismisses markets pricing 45% chance of normalization before October 1 as too optimistic, noting ships run dark, ship-to-ship transfers hide traffic, and geopolitics will escalate after midterms—Hormuz will never fully normalize as countries build alternatives. America will retain primacy going forward but must completely reinvent itself economically and politically, with broader appeal to allies while accepting a world where other powers have their own sphere of influence, and whoever holds office will face the same underlying reality that American power projection equals American living standards.

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Timestamps:

0:00 Everything now about geopolitics, not traditional economics

2:00 Michael's background - 30 years, 9 countries, cross-border analyst

5:20 Economic statecraft framework - national power is driving force

6:06 Policymakers getting it, but many still don't understand

8:16 Central bank models don't work, they never did

8:40 Exogenous supply shocks (Iran, Ukraine, COVID) keep breaking models

11:36 One interest rate doesn't work in fragmenting world

15:33 Central banks being cagey about structural changes

19:21 Geography matters - some countries will thrive, others fail

23:20 Rates going higher, not lower for longer

23:29 Massive fiscal pressures on defense, supply chains, infrastructure

26:25 Differential interest rates by sector based on national security priority

27:06 Biggest risk - far more war coming

28:19 Iran war after midterms, not resolved yet

31:59 Defense contractors won't make huge profits - government controls pricing

34:40 AI is about national security, not making money

35:31 Government may need private sector to fund moonshots they can't afford

36:19 Government taking stakes in strategic companies (OpenAI, Intel, Trump)

39:04 Strait of Hormuz assessment

42:59 Iran needs to rock the boat, leverage slipping away

44:19 Kalshi market too optimistic on Hormuz normalization

45:08 Hormuz won't ever fully normalize again

46:04 US still primary power but must reinvent itself

49:15 America can retain primacy but it will look different

50:09 Whoever's in office has to return to same arguments on American power

#385 Chris Whalen: Gold Headed Higher, Goldman $4,900 Target, Silver China Buying Spree Jul 04, 2026

Show notes

Chris Whalen kicks off the July 4th episode of The Wrap by diving into private credit implosion with BDCs turning unprofitable, using the acronym POOP (Principal on Outstanding Principal) to illustrate how debt is being converted to equity because companies can't pay—essentially turning investors into equity holders in insolvent companies. The June jobs report shocked with only 57K payrolls added (far below expectations) while household employment actually fell by 500K, making the data contradictory and unreliable despite the overall labor market still showing relative steadiness in many markets. Housing shows sharp bifurcation: sales above $1 million hit a record high while overall volume is down, revealing that only luxury properties are moving as the broader market softens. Goldman Sachs projects gold could hit $4,900, and Whalen is holding silver as a hedge against dollar debasement and inflation, noting the Chinese are aggressively buying silver in both futures and spot markets. Trump has profited handsomely from his various crypto ventures while most investors in those same ventures have lost significant money—a familiar pattern from Trump's business history. With the US national debt now at $39.35 trillion on America's 250th birthday, Whalen warns the Democratic Party will split between socialists and Republicans, with policies like New York's rent freezing turning cities into slums while hurting mom-and-pop landlords. He recommends watching interest rates, the Fed under Kevin Warsh, and expects another uptick in gold and silver prices after recent selloffs, while cautioning on BDCs and private credit exposure as the distress signals mount.

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Timestamps:

00:00 — Intro and World Cup chat

1:09 Gold rebounds, AI stocks slump

1:38 Private credit - BDCs turning unprofitable

2:40 POOP acronym - Principal on Outstanding Principal, crap debt

4:07 POOP emoji Bloomberg article, Victor Hong invented term

5:54 AI stocks slumping, pressure on private credit portfolios

6:00 Market doesn't like it right now

11:23 June non-farm payrolls - 57K added, much worse than expected

11:44 May/June comparisons all over place, household employment down 500K

12:21 Can't take a lot out of these numbers

13:33 Labor market steady to extent we can rely on statistics

14:12 Housing costs up, Americans work harder to compensate

14:12 Goldman Sachs says gold could hit $4,900

15:31 Chinese aggressive buyers of silver, not changing view

16:06 Gold/silver hedge against dollar and inflation

17:40 US national debt at $39.35 trillion on country's birthday

18:12 Democratic Party gonna get torn in half

18:50 Rise of democratic socialist candidates

19:49 Rent freezing turning NYC into slum, mom and pop landlords hurt

20:17 How much money to live in NYC reasonably? Way more than poverty level

21:45 Trump crypto - Done well, investors lost a lot

23:32 Book - Entropy Trap by Mickey Maini

29:33 90% of mortgage market government insured, no systemic bailout needed

32:43 Silver good play medium to long term as hedge

34:13 Back half of year focused on interest rates

35:13 Watching Fed, Kevin Warsh, uptick in gold/silver coming

#384 Henrik Zeberg: While Markets Rally, a Recession Signal Just Quietly Triggered Jul 02, 2026

Show notes

Henrik Zeberg, head macro economist at SwissBlock and author of The Monetary House of Cards, returns for his quarterly update to argue that markets and the economy are telling two completely different stories. While equities keep melting up toward a likely blow-off top, his models show the "quiet hand" of the real economy — labor market deterioration, rising full-time job losses, record credit card delinquencies, and a struggling housing sector — already rolling over into what he calls a structural recession. He walks through his indicator framework, explains why he's not calling an imminent recession yet (two more liquidity and yield signals are needed), and lays out his "Zeberg Solomon Protocol" for when he'd fully rotate out of stocks into bonds. The conversation also covers his contrarian views on inflation (he thinks disinflation, not inflation, is coming), his skepticism on Bitcoin's long-term value despite expecting a short-term bounce, a near-term gold and dollar bounce followed by major dollar strength, and his boldest calls for a year from now — including a bursting AI bubble and Bitcoin below $20,000.

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Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro: welcoming back Henrik Zeberg, head macroeconomist at SwissBlock

01:05 – Recap: the rally he called last quarter played out as predicted

01:36 – Stock market hasn't topped, but the real economy is quietly rolling over

03:50 – The split between the "financial economy" and the "real economy"

04:42 – His "structural recession call" — what it means and what's still missing

05:25 – Kalshi's recession odds (10.4%) vs. what Henrik's model is showing

06:25 – Why almost nobody sees a recession coming until it's already here

07:06 – Breaking down GDP: why the consumer (70%) is the real signal to watch

09:58 – Labor market red flags: falling participation, part-time vs. full-time jobs, long-term unemployment

12:33 – The "avalanche" analogy — how a slow buildup becomes a sudden crisis

14:59 – Credit card delinquencies now above 2009 recession levels

16:04 – Why housing is the earliest domino to fall

19:30 – Structural recession call, explained in full — and the two triggers he's waiting on

24:45 – The market's "loud hand": no top yet, more melt-up ahead

27:07 – Risk rotation theory — from mega-caps into small caps and speculative names

29:16 – Why he thinks the inflation narrative is wrong (savings rate argument)

32:57 – Stock vs. flow: the bathtub analogy for inflation vs. price levels

33:28 – What could still push this "blow-off top" rally further

34:32 – His own portfolio moves — how much cash vs. risk he's holding

36:57 – The "Zeberg Solomon Protocol" — his signal for exiting stocks entirely into bonds

39:37 – Bitcoin: why he's bullish on a short-term bounce but bearish long-term

42:23 – Gold outlook tied to a weakening (then re-strengthening) dollar

43:43 – Dollar forecast: DXY to 93–94 short term, then a run toward 120+

44:56 – One-year-out contrarian calls: AI bubble bursting, Bitcoin under $20K, recession confirmed

47:06 – Where to find Henrik's work

47:25 – Parting thoughts: don't trust a crowded consensus trade

#383 Andrew Pancholi: Smart Money Is Quietly Exiting Stocks — What the Cycles Say Happens Next Jun 30, 2026

Show notes

Andrew Pancholi, founder and CEO of the Market Timing Report, joins the show for his debut to explain his framework of mathematical cycles—repeating patterns spanning 36, 60, 90, 100, 144, and 250 years that he uses to forecast turning points across markets, commodities, and geopolitics. He argues we're broadly tracking the 1920s bull market toward a potential 2029 peak, but warns he's turned more bearish near-term after Friday's data showed smart money leaving US equities, eyeing the third week of July as a major turning point. Pancholi shares striking targets—$183 oil if Middle East conflict escalates, $6,900 gold by March 2027, and a continued bearish view on Bitcoin—while tying current events to historical cycles, including the 36-year anniversary of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and the US 250-year empire cycle. A commercial Boeing 777 pilot, he closes by connecting aviation's risk management and situational awareness to disciplined trading, emphasizing incremental gains over any "holy grail."

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Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro: who is Andrew Pancholi

01:21 – The big picture: mathematical cycles framework

02:00 – The 100-year cycle & path to 20290

2:30 – 90-year geopolitical cycle & polarization

05:29 – Equity markets: top or pullback?

08:21 – Smart money leaving US equities

10:43 – Kalshi prediction markets & 7,800 S&P target

13:15 – Third week of July turning point explained

14:12 – Charts: how the timing system works

20:17 – "You can't time the market" — the pushback

24:39 – The cycles explained: 30, 36, 45, 90, 144, 250 years

27:40 – War & revolution cycles, US civil strife

28:48 – The major war cycle nobody's talking about

31:41 – Oil outlook: $183 target

33:35 – Gold: bearish near-term, $6,900 target

35:12 – Bitcoin outlook

35:48 – The 250-year empire cycle & America's birthday

40:03 – Zero Hour book & cycles that failed

42:28 – From Boeing 777 pilot to cycles analyst

43:51 – COVID pandemic forecasted by the 100-year cycle

46:04 – Risk management lessons from flying

51:35 – Parting thoughts & where to find his work

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