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    The How NOT To Make A Movie Podcast

    Now in our FIFTH SEASON! Join us for a deep, inside baseball, nuts-n-bolts dive into the creative process. Guests include actors like MALCOLM MCDOWELL and BRANDON ROUTH, writers LARRY WILSON (BEETLEJUICE) and CY VORIS & ETHAN REIFF (DEMON KNIGHT) and everyone I know who’s ever collaborated to create content. We talk a lot about TALES FROM THE CRYPT and why, in so many ways, that epitomized the creative process at its best… and why Bordello Of Blood (the second Crypt-branded feature film, Demon Knight was the first) was its antithesis. Talk about how NEVER to make a movie!


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    S2E10: “Hanging Out W Alan & Gil” Nov 22, 2022
    Show notes Alan & Gil hanging out with the Crypt Keeper

    In this episode, Gil and I invite you to hang out with us and shoot the shit. But – before we forget (and while we have your attention) – please join us Saturday December 17 at NOON Pacific time for a “TABLE READ FOR CHARITY”. The MOTION PICTURE HOME (run by the Motion Picture Television Fund) is a great, worthwhile charity. They take care of film folk in need. We’ll be table reading “Dead Easy” – the script for the second “Tales From The Crypt” movie that never happened. “Bordello Of Blood” happened instead.

    Crypt’s Early Days

    One of the joys of doing Crypt was getting to work with some really big stars. They really do breathe rarified air. What’s it like working at that level for the very first time? That’s one of the stories Alan will tell about working with Michael J. Fox who directed “The Trap” the first Crypt episode Gil and Alan produced. At the end of the day, it’s about the show – nothing else. Everyone’s as good as their work. Stars become co-workers and partners in crime.

    “Rust” & Film Set Safety

    No one should ever die on a movie or TV set. No one should ever get hurt. But, definitely no one should ever die. The “Rust” tragedy won’t ever end for the people involved. It should never have happened. Gil especially is obsessive about set safety. On “Freddy’s Nightmares”, we did numerous fire gags. On Crypt, we did lots of gun gags. It’s inconceivable that live ammo gets to any film set. How the hell did it get to the “Rust” set?

    How Many Takes Is Too Many?

    We’ll close it all out with a story about German director Uli Edell. When he directed the “Came The Dawn” episode, he established a record that has gone unbroken: he went 37 takes into a scene before Gil raced out to the set to stop him personally. We expected directors to get three or four takes of scenes. Five at the very most. Thirty-seven posed a huge problem!

    So – pull up a chair (if you’re not already sitting) and “sit a spell”. Gil and I are shootin’ the shit. And there’s lots!


    Can You Believe Taye Diggs??? Nov 15, 2022
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    The short answer is YES! You absolutely can believe Taye Diggs and that’s the whole point of this episode! We ask the question “What makes an actor ‘believable’?” And, the actor we’re using for demonstration purposes in this episode is the terrific Taye Diggs who, it just so happens, Gil (Adler) has cast twice. The reason Gil’s cast Taye twice is because Gil loves how believable Taye is. If an audience doesn’t believe an actor, nothing the writers or directors do (or have done) will matter. So, regardless of anything else an actor brings to work each day, nothing is anywhere near as important as believability.

    From a film or TV producer’s POV, we don’t want actors to act. The camera will see it and we’ll just have to cut it all out. There are differences between acting on the stage and acting for the camera. Does stage training make actors better at acting for the camera? Spoiler alert: we think so – and Taye’s the perfect example of what theatrical training brings to any actor’s A-game. That’s their “acting game” of course.

    On the film side, Taye’s shown off his song and dance chops in both “Chicago” and “Rent”. Taye was repeating for the camera the role he’d originated on Broadway. Taye also got Stella back her groove and, as we said above, he’s worked twice for Gil. One of those times was in the horror movie “House On Haunted Hill”.

    For a little while – back in the late 990’s and early 2000’s, Gil produced a series of horror films for Dark Castle Entertainment – a company Bob Zemeckis and Joel Silver created. Dark Castle focused on remaking the films of 1950’s horror maestro William Castle. In the 1940’s and 50’s Castle churned out a ton of pulp titles like “The Crime Doctor’s Warning”, “Johnny Stool Pigeon”, “Slaves Of Babylon” and “New Orleans Uncensored”.

    Castle excelled at horror. But, he didn’t approach horror – or movie-making – in a conventional way. He loved using gimmicks to market his movies. Hell, Castle built the marketing gimmicks right into the movies themselves. Right into the movie theaters themselves.

    Castle’s “The Tingler” is about a scientist who discovers that a parasite called a “tingler” lives inside human beings, feeding on their fear. A person can tell a tingler’s present because they can feel their spine tingling. To achieve that effect in reality, Castle installed vibrating devices in the movie theater seats showing his movie.

    In his “House on Haunted Hill”, Castle equipped some theaters with a technology he called “Emergo“. Emergo was a plastic skeleton emerging from a hiding place and flying at the audience, scaring the crap out of them.

    Goofy, yes. But, it worked. The audience loved it. They believed. And believing is everything.

    We’ll talk about how “believing” happens. Along the way, Taye will also talk about working on Broadway, the joys of being “theatrical”, how much he loved his years at Syracuse University and how much Gil hated it by comparison (they’re both alums). We’ll talk a lot about acting. About what makes an actor “believable”.

    Can we believe Taye Diggs?

    We repeat our earlier answer (a little more emphatically) – not just YES, but “HELL, YES!!!” Want proof? Listen in!

    Photo 187715402 / Taye Diggs © Hutchinsphoto | Dreamstime.com


    S2E8: Bill Sadler Is A Really Nice Guy Nov 08, 2022
    Show notes Even when he’s playing a villain, Bill Sadler is a really nice guy.

    We say this a lot around here at the How NOT To Make A Movie Podcast: one of the real big pleasures of working in film and TV is that you get to work with some terrific people. Our guest today is one of those terrific people. It’s just a stone cold fact: Bill Sadler is a really nice guy. Hell, he’s nice in the extreme.

    He’s also super talented.

    Bill’s Bio

    Aside from doing both “Tales From The Crypt” feature films (Bill stars as the hero of “Demon Knight” and acts as the Mummy opposite the Crypt Keeper in “Bordello Of Blood“) and appearing in multiple episodes of “Tales From The Crypt“, Bill has been part of some truly iconic movies. He played Death in the “Bill & Ted’s Bogus Journey” and “Bill & Ted Face The Music”, Colonel Stuart in “Die Hard 2”, and President Matthew Ellis in “Iron Man 3” and the “Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.” movies.

    He also played the inmate Heywood in “The Shawshank Redemption“. Ironically, Shawshank wasn’t a hit when it opened. In fact, it bombed – probably because the title’s not very good. Video resurrected Shawshank from obscurity and gave it the second chance it needed.

    “Shawshank” is very definitely a classic. Horror fans now consider “Demon Knight” a classic horror movie, too. In time, the Bill and Ted movies may achieve some kind of minor classic status. Certainly Bill’s work as Death in the movies deserves classic status.

    He turns Death into a kind of vaguely lovable loser with a hilarious accent.

    Talking Craft

    We talk a lot about craft in the interview. Acting craft, writing craft, moviemaking craft. We talk about the challenges that produce great work. And, we’ll talk a lot about passion. What makes anyone a great collaborator? Passion for collaboration.

    Bill’s collaborated with everyone from Morgan Freeman to Walter Hill (one of Crypt’s executive producers), to Bill Condon (Bill’s favorite director), to Claire Danes and Dennis Quaid (they all just worked together on Steven Soderbergh’s “Full Circle” for HBOMax.

    This conversation feels like a pair of comfortable slippers. It’s that warm and familiar. Bill Sadler isn’t just a very, very nice guy. He also happens to be an amazing actor and a superb collaborator.

    And, boy, does he have some great stories to tell!

    The How NOT To Make A Movie S2E8: “Bill Sadler Is A Really Nice Guy”

    S2E7: “Dirty Laundry” Nov 02, 2022
    Show notes Let’s talk dirty laundry!

    If you really want to know what’s happening on any film or TV set, the last people you should ask are the executives. We know nothing of value. We may have a pretty good fix on where the budget is, but we have no idea who’s sleeping with whom. Film and TV sets are emotionally overwrought places where people form intense bonds for short periods of time. Very conducive to creativity and having affairs. Terrible for sustaining actual grown up relationships. If you really want to know who’s forming intense bonds, having affairs and sleeping around, go ask “the pretties” – hair and makeup or, alternately, wardrobe. These are the people on any movie set who really know what’s happening to whom and why. If it’s dirty laundry you want, you’ve come to the right place!

    When Things Get “Intimate”

    “Hurry up and wait” perfectly sums up life on a film or TV set. Lots of mad rushing about, lots of sitting around waiting. That equals time to talk, gossip, shoot the shit and confess even. One of the wardrobe department’s jobs on any set is to do actual dirty laundry. Whether people know it or not, their dirty laundry tells on them.

    In today’s episode of the podcast, we welcome Randall Thropp. Listeners to season one of the How Not To Make A Movie Podcast remember Randall’s stories about Crypt. He also worked on the Bordello reshoots when we returned to Los Angeles.

    As you’ll hear (and see), Randall tells a lot of great stories. We’ll talk about a mutual mentor, the under-appreciated documentary filmmaker Greg Shuker (he pretty much invented cinema verite single handedly). And, we’ll talk about “Who’s Afraid Of Baby Jane” (Randall worked on the remake)… “The Strip”… “Tony & Tina’s Wedding”… “The Brady Bunch” movies and “The Shining” (Mick Garris’s remake). Also, we’ll talk about Randall’s work with the Academy Of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences Museum. It’s awesome – and well worth a visit, maybe even several!.

    And we will talk actual dirty laundry.


    S2E7: Dirty Laundry Nov 01, 2022
    Show notes

    If you really want to know what’s happening on any film or TV set, the last people you should ask are the executives. We know nothing of value. We may have a pretty good fix on where the budget is, but we have no idea who’s sleeping with whom. Film and TV sets are emotionally overwrought places where people form intense bonds for short periods of time. Very conducive to creativity and having affairs, terrible for sustaining actual grown up relationships. If you really want to know who’s forming intense bonds, having affairs and sleeping around, you have to go ask “the pretties” – hair and makeup or, alternately, wardrobe. These are the people on any movie set who really know what’s happening to whom and why. If it’s dirty laundry you want, you’ve come to the right place.

    Hurry Up And Wait

    “Hurry up and wait” perfectly sums up life on a film or TV set. Lots of mad rushing about, lots of sitting around waiting. That equals time to talk, gossip, shoot the shit and confess even. One of the wardrobe department’s jobs on any set is to do actual dirty laundry. Whether people know it or not, their dirty laundry tells on them.

    In today’s episode of the podcast, we welcome Randall Thropp. Listeners to season one of the How Not To Make A Movie Podcast remember Randall. He was Crypt’s wardrobe supervisor. He told the story in season one about working on the Bordello of Blood reshoots in Los Angeles. The experience was so awful that Randall briefly quit the movie biz.

    Spoiler alert: he came back.

    Dream Projects & Dream Jobs

    We’ll also talk about our mutual friend the award winning documentary filmmaker Greg Shuker. Randall has stories from the set of the “Who’s Afraid of Baby Jane” remake starring the Redgrave sisters, Lynn and Vanessa. He has stories about working on “Tony & Tina’s Wedding”, Mick Garris’ remake of “The Shining” and, of course, “Tales From The Crypt”.

    Randall will discuss his current work with Paramount Pictures Wardrobe Archive. It’s his dream job come to life! Randall’s working with the Academy Of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences Museum (it’s awesome!) on an exhibit featuring The Godfather movies.

    Along the way? We’ll talk plenty of dirty laundry.


    S2E6: “How NOT To Make A (Monster) Movie” Oct 25, 2022
    Show notes Gil Adler, Alan Katz & Todd Masters talk movie monsters.

    Welcome to our Halloween podcast – How NOT To Make A (Monster) Movie. One of the masters of movie make up special effects is our very good friend Todd Masters. We’re sure you remember Todd vividly from Season One of The How NOT To Make A Movie Podcast. Todd became Tales From The Crypt’s permanent in-house effects guy starting season four. He created the monsters in Demon Knight – now considered a classic horror movie. And, when our talented but inexperienced special effects team in Vancouver began to crash and burn, Todd was the reinforcement we sent to save the day. Todd Masters really is a movie monster master.

    If you like monster movies – if you like special effects period – you’ll enjoy the hell out of this conversation. For starters, we talk a fair amount of “Tales From The Crypt”. How could we not? Todd talks about some of his very favorite make up effects from Crypt. One he’s especially proud of? Steve Buscemi’s squished eyeball in the “Forever Ambergris” episode.

    Of High Stakes & Butt Steaks

    Sometimes it can be “murder” getting a make up special effect to work right. Great effects take time and money – which, unfortunately, one doesn’t always have in the heat of production battle. There’s a very real “seat of the pants” element to makeup special effects – even great ones. The stakes are always high.

    We’ll also talk about working with directors like William Friedkin, Bob Hoskins, Walter Hill, Bob Zemeckis, Larry Wilson, Gary Fleder and the under-appreciated but incredibly talented Bill Malone.

    Roger Daltrey asks “Where’s my nose?”

    Where do these ideas come from? What makes otherwise normal people obsess on depicting gore so it looks utterly real? To that end, we’ll talk how Todd crafted some of Crypt’s most exquisitely gory effects – like the squished eyeball, the tattoo that comes to life in “On A Dead Man’s Chest” and the “butt steak” from “What’s Cookin”.

    Todd will also talk a little about his work on “Yellowjackets”.

    Ultimately, this is a conversation between old friends, talking shop. And monsters. Enjoy!


    S2E5: Steve de Souza Has Even MORE Of A Story Oct 19, 2022
    Show notes Steve de Souza has even more stories to tell and they’re epic.

    This episode picks up where E4 left off. And then it gets even more epic. Listening to episode 3 is not mandatory. It wouldn’t hurt, but this one stands on its own. It’s a big episode in more ways than one. It covers a lot of incredible territory from the making of classic feature films “48 Hrs” and “Die Hard” to “Commando” to “Streetfighter”. Steve de Souza has a story (or two or three).

    If you’re a fan of the movie “Die Hard”, this episode is going to make you smile. For starters, Steve takes us way behind the scenes on the making of this classic movie. “Die Hard” is a bona fide classic. The National Film Registry selected “Die Hard” (along with 824 other films) “for preservation because of their cultural, historical or aesthetic significance”. If you had told Steve – or anyone involved in making “Die Hard” – that people would even remember it 30 years later, they’d have been thrilled. More to the point, if you had told them that “Die Hard” would be some peoples’ go-to Christmas movie? They’d have wondered what you were smoking. It wouldn’t even be legal now.

    Is “Die Hard” A Christmas Movie?

    Steve’s erudite, fully researched (he’s got bells and whistles!), mini-presentation compares “Die Hard” to “White Christmas” and asks the question “which one is the real Christmas movie?”

    The “Die Hard” vs “White Christmas” comparison chart. Which movie’s the real Christmas movie?

    That part of the podcast would be worth the price of admission (if we charged any).

    Dads From The Crypt

    In keeping with its epic status, the interview also features our friend JASON STEIN (of Dads From The Crypt) joining the interview firing squad. With Jason aboard, we talk about Steve writing and directing “Streetfighter” and working with actor Raul Julia on his last feature film (before succumbing to stomach cancer in 1994). We’ll also talk about Steve’s work on “Tales From The Crypt”.

    Crypt fans and aficionados consider Steve’s episode – “Carrion Death” – among the very best episodes ever. Jason has questions.

    Finally, Steve will fill us in on what he’s working on now. Since he got here, Steve’s been one of the busiest people in all of Show Biz. He never stopped.

    It’s EPIC!

    Among the cast of characters in this episode: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Kyle McLachlan, Sheena-Queen-of-the-Jungle and even ELON MUSK! Working at the peak of the entertainment industry can put a person in contact with almost anyone.

    As we said – an epic episode with an epic guest. If you love movies and moviemaking, this is both a treat and a master class. We repeat what we said: Steve de Souza has a story.


    S2E4: “Steve de Souza Has A Story” Oct 12, 2022
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    Steve da Souza Has A Story

    In this episode of “The How NOT To Make A Movie Podcast”, we sit down with a master storyteller: writer/director/producer Steve de Souza. You may not know Steve’s name, but you definitely know his work: 48 Hrs, Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Commando, Streetfighter, Judge Dredd, Beverly Hills Cop 2. Steve practically invented the modern action picture. He’s one of a handful of writers in the “Two Billion Dollars Club”. Those are writers whose collective work has brought in over two billion bucks. Steve’s made a lot of people a lot of money telling a lot of stories. Funny thing is? You’ll never hear another story like Steve’s. Steve de Souza has a story all right!

    The Crypt Angle

    Gil and I first met Steve when he wrote and directed an episode of “Tales From The Crypt” during our first season on the show. In “Carrion Death”, Kyle Maclachlan plays a murderous bank robber who’s on the run after a heist goes bad. He tries to escape a relentless motorcycle cop who chases him across the desert. It’s pretty much a one-man show; Kyle’s very good. For Steve, it was one more highlight in a career filled with them.

    The Genesis Of A Jewmaican

    In this, part one of our interview with Steve, he’ll tell his own genesis story including why he refers to himself as a proud “Jewmaican”. You and I may have family histories, Steve has a family saga that includes a pirate. Did we mention that Steve de Souza has a story?

    We’ll follow Steve from the moment he realized he wanted to be a movie maker to the moment he began to achieve it. He epitomizes the “anything can happen” nature of show business like few others. There’s no better illustration than Steve’s first week in LA. He went from zero to sixty in record time. It’s a hell of a story!

    Before he became one of the screenwriting gods, Steve conquered television. He wrote for The Gemini Man, The Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman, V, Super Carrier and Knight Rider. TV taught Steve to be quick and good. And how to tell all kinds of stories.

    So, settle in for Part One of a real treat as Steve de Souza tells his story.

    Check em out!

    S2E3: Casting About With Victoria Burrows Oct 05, 2022
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    In this episode of “The How NOT To Make A Movie Podcast: Horror Stories From The Movie Making Trenches”, we sit down with one of the biggest casting directors in the business, Victoria Burrows. Or, as we prefer to put it, we go “Casting About With Victoria Burrows”.

    In season one of “The How NOT To Make A Movie Podcast, we spent a long, long, long time talking about casting. If you remember (or, if you don’t), casting was among our most significant failures while making “Bordello Of Blood”. That is, how we cast our three leads. Or, rather, how our executive producer Joel Silver cast our three leads. Joel was our boss. He had final cut. Though we had three terrific actors in mind, Joel had ideas of his own and that’s where we went.

    To be honest, “Bordello Of Blood” was never going to be a horror classic (or even a semi-classic like “Demon Knight” is). But, had we cast the movie the way Gil Adler (the movie’s director), Victoria Burrows (our casting director) and I (its co-writer and producer) originally imagined, it absolutely would have been better.

    As “Bordello of Blood” demonstrates, cast your movie or TV show wrong and you’re doomed.

    Headshots

    As Victoria tells it, the day she realized she wanted to be a casting director was the day she found herself. Casting is (most of) her life. Animal rescue also is very important to Vic; she talks about that passion (and what listeners can do to help support this very worthy cause). She also talks about softball.

    For years (before the pandemic), Victoria hosted a yearly pickup softball game/birthday party at Rancho Park in West LA. Six, seven, eight hundred people showed up every year including lots of celebrities. Here’s a blog post written by one of the event’s attendees.

    Hopefully, while we’re casting about with Victoria Burrows, you’ll get to know her, too. Hanging with Vic is always a pleasure!


    S2E2: “What’s Funny Is…” Sep 28, 2022
    Show notes

    With Guest David Brecher

    What’s funny is… Life!

    The creative process is entirely unpredictable. Even creatives who genuinely aspire to produce greatness every time out can’t predict that they will produce greatness. It’s always a crap shoot. So it is with podcasts as it is with movies and with TV shows. In this episode, Gil and I set out to talk about “writing funny” with Gil’s old friend DAVID BRECHER. David’s worked with and around comedians his whole career. He toured for years with Bette Midler. He’s well versed in everything funny. That includes Life, There’s nothing funnier than Life.

    Turns out, what’s really funny is the paths we all took to show biz success.

    Gil began his professional life as a production accountant working for a guy named Sid Finger in New York. Gil produced plays. He produced a reading early on with a very young unknown named Robert De Niro. And he produced a very funny show that he brought over from the Edinburgh Theatre Festival called “El Grande De Coca Cola”.

    “El Grande de Coca Cola was the first show Alan ever saw in New York. The circle is complete!

    Meet Our Friend David Brecher

    At present, David owns a teleprompter company that provides teleprompters (and David as the teleprompter’s operator) for, among other topline projects, “The Tonight Show With Jimmy Fallon” and “Saturday Night Live”. Did we mention that David’s been around funny people most of his life? Running teleprompters for many of them the past few years has given David some fascinating insights. Funny people are notoriously unhappy. It’s probably related somehow.

    From Off Broadway to Australia, from Hollywood to the Carnegie Deli, from Sid Caesar to The Crypt Keeper to Superman Returns. This one goes a lot of different places and covers a lot of ground. Life is endlessly funny. But, what’s really funny is how fast it goes.


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