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    The Body of Evidence

    Dr. Christopher Labos and guests use the body of evidence to go beyond science and medicine headlines and hype. All to help you develop your critical thinking skills so that when you google your symptoms, you won’t believe you’re going to die tomorrow.

    The Body of Evidence is your weekly dose of clarity on complex health topics and the often-sketchy medical information found online. Hosted by cardiologist Dr. Christopher Labos and featuring a rotating cast of co-hosts and guests, this podcast brings you engaging interviews, original reporting, and humour-filled commentaries to help you navigate the world of medicine. Episodes tackle everything from debunking misinformation to exploring the reality of certain conditions to the effectiveness of social media medical trends. With an extensive archive dating back to 2015,The Body of Evidence is your go-to source for understanding science and medicine and developing critical thinking about your health.

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    Sport Science 4 - Social Media Influencers Jan 23, 2024
    Show notes

    A limited series on sport science hosted by student athlete Sophie and featuring two experts: Dr. Christopher Labos, cardiologist and regular co-host of this podcast, and Nick Tiller, who holds a doctorate in exercise physiology. Together, they will answer Sophie’s questions while dispelling myths that athletes—and anybody getting into fitness—are likely to hear.

    This is part 4 of 4. The topic: fitspiration. Influencers on social media showing off their toned bodies and posing on a beach can encourage you to go to the gym, but how can you judge if what they say is based on solid evidence… or if it’s all lies, exaggerations, and undeclared sponsored content?

    (0:29) Intro

    (1:03) Influencers are not your friends

    (5:12) What credentials should I look for in a fitness influencer?

    (8:43) Sponsorships not disclosed

    (9:50) Looks beget credibility

    (13:44) How to read a scientific paper

    (20:47) What to do to protect yourself from fitness misinformation

    Opening music: “Energetic Upbeat” by WinnieTheMoog

    Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6033-energetic-upbeat

    Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license

    End title music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    Sport Science 3 - Supplements Jan 16, 2024
    Show notes

    A limited series on sport science hosted by student athlete Sophie and featuring two experts: Dr. Christopher Labos, cardiologist and regular co-host of this podcast, and Nick Tiller, who holds a doctorate in exercise physiology. Together, they will answer Sophie’s questions while dispelling myths that athletes—and anybody getting into fitness—are likely to hear.

    This is part 3 of 4. The topic: supplements. Which dietary supplements have been proven beneficial through scientific studies? Is caffeine a fat burner? And are supplements even safe to take?

    (0:29) Intro

    (1:09) Vox pop

    (4:28) The 5 or 6 dietary supplements supported by science

    (6:20) What outcome are you interested in improving?

    (7:32) Will caffeine help you burn fat?

    (8:56) The food first approach

    (13:28) Chris wants to bench-press 10 lbs, which supplements should he take?

    (15:33) The quick fix mentality of supplements

    (16:08) Supplements are sometimes contaminated or adulterated

    (19:55) How supplements are regulated (or not)

    (25:05) Can supplements burn fat?

    (29:20) L-carnithine

    (30:21) Boosting your immune system with vitamin C

    (32:05) Can you boost your metabolism?

    Opening music: “Energetic Upbeat” by WinnieTheMoog

    Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6033-energetic-upbeat

    Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license

    End title music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    Sport Science 2 - Recovery Jan 09, 2024
    Show notes

    A limited series on sport science hosted by student athlete Sophie and featuring two experts: Dr. Christopher Labos, cardiologist and regular co-host of this podcast, and Nick Tiller, who holds a doctorate in exercise physiology. Together, they will answer Sophie’s questions while dispelling myths that athletes—and anybody getting into fitness—are likely to hear.

    This is part 2 of 4. The topic: recovery. Are ice baths useful to recover from a workout? What about stretching and massages? And what three simple recommendations will do most of the heavy lifting when it comes to exercise recovery?

    (0:30) Intro

    (1:31) Vox pop

    (4:06) How do we measure recovery?

    (6:54) Ice baths

    (11:53) Whole-body cryotherapy

    (14:36) Contrast baths and compression garments

    (19:38) Stretching, massages, TheraGun

    (27:44) Three simple recommendations to recover

    Opening music: “Energetic Upbeat” by WinnieTheMoog

    Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6033-energetic-upbeat

    Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license

    End title music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    Sport Science 1 - Wearables Jan 02, 2024
    Show notes

    A limited series on sport science hosted by student athlete Sophie and featuring two experts: Dr. Christopher Labos, cardiologist and regular co-host of this podcast, and Nick Tiller, who holds a doctorate in exercise physiology. Together, they will answer Sophie’s questions while dispelling myths that athletes—and anybody getting into fitness—are likely to hear.

    This is part 1 of 4. The topic: wearables. Should you be monitoring your heart rate variability, your sleep, and how many steps you walk in a day? Is all this information useful or is it just a distraction?

    (0:58) Intro

    (3:08) Vox pop

    (5:24) Heart rate monitoring

    (17:22) Body battery and proprietary algorithms

    (22:30) Sleep and the limitations of the data

    (27:35) Should we aim for 10,000 steps a day?

    Opening music: “Energetic Upbeat” by WinnieTheMoog

    Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6033-energetic-upbeat

    Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license

    End title music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    Solving Cases for Christmas (Special) Dec 26, 2023
    Show notes

    As the year comes to an end, Jonathan recruits three doctors—Chris, Niko, and Aigul—and invites them to solve two perplexing cases.

    These mysteries involve a lot of (necessary?) rectal exams; the blood of witches; activated charcoal; farting patients; controversial diagnoses; tales from the ER that border on true crime; and diagnosing brain injuries through the bum!

    The take-home lesson here is always check sphincter tone on a patient, even if they are barely conscious! Or something like that.

    Correction: Niko was speaking off the cuff about activated charcoal possibly binding iron. We are told that it does not do it well and should not be used in the event of iron poisoning!

    * Theme music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.

    Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called “Digressions”! Check it out!

    It’s Not Twitter But It’ll Do!

    1) The Fern documentary on the Healy that Jonathan was interviewed for (part 1): https://youtu.be/A_Y5kdEpcu4?si=GJpqn1seZ0A7JJWB

    2) Dr. Jonathan Howard’s new podcast, We Want Them Infected: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/we-want-them-infected-podcast/id1716215618

    3) WeCanReason conference 2024 in Calgary: https://wecanreason.com/

    4) 502 Conversations with Dr. Christopher Labos: https://youtu.be/3opqhZgcNjU?si=V2TbVeRbqUgwOclT

    5) The Skeptic Zone podcast with Dr. Christopher Labos: https://youtu.be/r_eRVOTUv6I?si=EYa2GTVu7-JfTGBx&t=255

    6) Chris’ appearance at the Whodunit bookstore in Winnipeg on January 21: https://whodunitbooks.ca/events/32868


    Bad Air Can Make You Sick (with Joey Fox) Dec 12, 2023
    Show notes

    Chris and Jonathan speak to Joey Fox, an engineer and the chair of the Indoor Air Quality Advisory Group for the Ontario Society of Professional Engineers. COVID-19 is not over, as both Jonathan and Chris can testify. How can we better protect ourselves from the coronavirus and other respiratory viruses? By improving our air! Joey Fox explains the difference between HEPA and MERV filters, why “UV in a box” is not a good idea, and how to make sense of the different air cleaners you can buy (and make yourself!). We all care about clean drinking water. It’s time we cared about clean air as well.

    (2:12) Aerosols vs. droplets

    (4:49) How long can respiratory particles linger in the air?

    (6:41) Medical dogma and the COVID-19 pandemic

    (17:20) How Joey dodged COVID when his daughter got sick

    (19:40) Air quality in schools

    (22:11) HEPA vs. MERV filters: what to looks for

    (24:45) Don’t say it’s airborne! or the politicization of public health

    (27:29) UV light to disinfect the air

    (32:09) Is the air in your kid’s school good enough?

    (33:52) Which CO2 monitor to buy

    (34:20) Improving air quality at home

    (37:42) Corsi-Rosenthal boxes and PC fan box air cleaners

    * Theme music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.

    Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called “Digressions”! Check it out!

    Links:

    1) Joey Fox’s blog: https://itsairborne.com/

    2) Clean Air Stars: https://cleanairstars.com/

    3) The Ontario Society of Professional Engineers’ Indoor Air Quality website: https://ospe.on.ca/indoor-air-quality/


    Is Red Meat as Bad as Cigarettes? A Radio Play Nov 21, 2023
    Show notes

    Chris, Jonathan, and a mystery guest get together for an old-fashioned radio play. Are hot dogs and other red meat really as bad for your health as cigarettes? A doctor without a name boards an airplane and is soon asked to answer this question. It involves risk, hazard, and a budding romance.

    * Theme music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.

    * Assistant researcher: Aigul Zaripova

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.

    Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called “Digressions”! Check it out!

    Music:

    Jazzy Comping 2 by Agnese Valmaggia

    Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/8550-jazzy-comping-2

    Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license

    Links:

    1) To buy Chris’ book: https://doescoffeecausecancer.com/


    096 - Ozempic / Running for Depression / The Case of the Baseball Player's Heart Nov 07, 2023
    Show notes

    What does the body of evidence say on Ozempic and its impact on diabetes and obesity? Plus: can you trade in your antidepressant for a jog, and Chris returns to the hot seat to diagnose a teenage boy who fell during a baseball game!

    Block 1:

    (2:22) Ozempic/Wegovy: GLP-1 receptor agonists; the difference between them; Mounjaro; Trulicity; diabetes biology; glucagon-like peptides 1 and 2; the problem with GLP-1; DPP4 inhibitors

    Block 2:

    (12:33) Ozempic/Wegovy: The venom of the Gila monster; how semaglutide became a blockbuster drug; weight loss; the numerous clinical trials; the impact on the stock prices of dialysis companies; downsides; the Internet craze

    Block 3:

    (27:03) Is running as beneficial for depression as medication?

    Block 4:

    (36:42) The case of the baseball player’s heart

    * Jingle by Joseph Hackl

    * Theme music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl

    * Assistant researcher: Aigul Zaripova

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.

    To make a one-time donation to our show, you can now use PayPal! https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=9QZET78JZWCZE

    Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called “Digressions”! Check it out!

    References:

    1) History of GLP-1 receptor agonists: https://www.statnews.com/2023/09/30/weight-loss-ozempic-nobel-prize-science/

    2) Liraglutide vs. exenatide: https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(12)61267-7

    3) Meta-analysis of GLP-1 receptor agonists: https://doi.org/10.1111/dom.12849

    4) A brief summary of the SUSTAIN studies, all 11 of them, which demonstrated the efficacy of semaglutide and its cardiovascular benefit: https://diabetes.medicinematters.com/semaglutide/type-2-diabetes/a-quick-guide-to-the-sustain-trials/12206922

    5) A brief summary of the STEP trials, all 10 of them, which tested semaglutide as a weight loss medications even in non-diabetics: https://diabetes.medicinematters.com/semaglutide/obesity/quick-guide-step-trials/18854832

    6) Announcement that the FLOW trial is being stopped prematurely: https://www.novonordisk.com/news-and-media/news-and-ir-materials/news-details.html?id=166327 & https://www.investors.com/news/technology/novo-nordisk-stock-pops-after-hinting-weight-loss-drug-treats-kidney-disease/

    7) GI side effects of GLP-1 receptor agonists: https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2023.19574

    8) Gid M-K’s Slate article: https://slate.com/technology/2023/10/exercise-depression-anxiety-treatment-effectiveness-ssris-research.html

    9) Study on running to treat depression: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032723002239?via%3Dihub#s0065:~:text=https%3A//doi.org/10.1016/j.jad.2023.02.064

    10) Details on the DEA-Quebec app to find an AED near you: https://www.jacquesdechamplain.com/en/major-update-to-the-dea-quebec-application/

    11) Government of Canada’s definition of a pesticide: https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/environmental-workplace-health/reports-publications/environmental-contaminants/human-biomonitoring-resources/glyphosate-in-people.html

    It’s Not Twitter, But It’ll Do:

    1) Jonathan’s article on how natural health products and dietary supplements are regulated: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking-health-and-nutrition/false-reassurance-dietary-supplement-regulation

    2) Jonathan’s article on fentanyl: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/medical-critical-thinking/you-wont-die-touching-fentanyl

    3) Chris’ article in Medscape about the COSMOS study: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/996926

    4) Chris’ Gazette article on coated vs. uncoated aspirin: https://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/christopher-labos-the-bare-facts-about-coated-aspirin


    Misinformation Blah Blah Blah (with David Scales) Oct 24, 2023
    Show notes

    Jonathan and Chris talk to David Scales, MPhil, MD, PhD, an assistant professor of medicine at Weill Cornell and the chief medical officer at Critica. Misinformation is everywhere and it is causing actual harm. But what can we do about it beyond recognizing the problem? Dr. Scales mentions a scientific solution that transposes to social media what we know can work in an in-person setting.

    (3:34) Infodemiology

    (8:54) Will artificial intelligence create a “fake news” problem?

    (13:06) Vaccine hesitancy post-COVID

    (17:59) Is misinformation a “disease” or a symptom?

    (22:20) Top-down vs. grassroots approaches

    (28:23) Social media vs. misinformation

    (33:54) A scientific solution

    (51:15) AI bots to the rescue?

    * Theme music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.

    Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called “Digressions”! Check it out!

    Links:

    1) The book Dr. Scales mentioned: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/51152447-caste

    2) The Victor Pickard paper on public media funding in different countries: https://doi.org/10.1177/19401612211060255

    3) The EMMIE program: https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/advice-and-prevention/vaccination/motivational-interviewing-in-maternity-for-the-immunization

    4) Critica’s proposed protocol for countering scientific misinformation online: https://criticascience.org/the-critica-protocol/

    5) The Critica website: https://criticascience.org/

    6) David Scales on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/tnfalpha.bsky.social


    095 - Macular Degeneration / Fall Vaccines / Blue-Blocking Glasses Oct 03, 2023
    Show notes

    What does the body of evidence say on age-related macular degeneration (AMD) and how to treat the #1 cause of blindness in North America? Plus: which vaccines are available this fall to prevent respiratory tract infections, and a look at whether blue-light-blocking glasses will make a difference in your life!

    Block 1:

    (2:15) AMD: how common it is, what happens in the eye, risk factors

    Block 2:

    (9:20) AMD: dry AMD versus wet AMD, how to diagnose it, how to prevent it, AREDS supplements, VEGF inhibitors, lasers, rehabilitation

    Block 3:

    (25:54) Fall vaccines: COVID, influenza, and RSV

    Block 4:

    (40:19) Blue-blocking glasses

    * Theme music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl

    * Assistant researchers: Aigul Zaripova and Ali Baghirov

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.

    To make a one-time donation to our show, you can now use PayPal! https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=9QZET78JZWCZE

    Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called “Digressions”! Check it out!

    References:

    1) General background on AMD: https://www.nei.nih.gov/learn-about-eye-health/eye-conditions-and-diseases/age-related-macular-degeneration & https://www.aao.org/eye-health/diseases/amd-macular-degeneration

    2) Prevalence of AMD by age: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0161642000005807

    3) Rotterdam study: https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.294.24.3101

    4) EYE-RISK consortium about the Mediterranean diet: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ophtha.2018.08.006

    5) The Beaver Dam Eye Study on smoking and AMD: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ophtha.2014.04.040

    6) A Prospective Study of Cigarette Smoking and AMD in Women: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/409082

    7) AREDS study: https://doi.org/10.1001%2Farchopht.119.10.1417

    8) AREDS 2 study: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/1684847

    9) Study linking beta-carotene to cancer in smokers: https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/62.6.1427s

    10) Omega-3s in the VITAL study: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaophthalmology/fullarticle/2772366

    11) Background on anti-VEGF therapies: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/anti-vegf-treatment-of-macular-degeneration-science-based-success/

    12) NEJM paper comparing ranibizumab to bevacizumab: https://doi.org/10.1056/NEJMoa1102673

    13) 10-year outcomes of anti-VEGF therapy in AMD: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmjophth-2023-001328

    14) Cochrane review of monthly versus as-needed treatment: https://doi.org/10.1002/14651858.CD012208.pub2

    15) Cochrane review on complement inhibitors for AMD: https://doi.org/10.1002/14651858.cd009300.pub3

    16) Pegcetacoplan for AMD: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pegcetacoplan-a-new-treatment-for-macular-degeneration/

    17) Cochrane review on photodynamic therapy for AMD: https://doi.org/10.1002/14651858.CD002030.pub3

    18) Stem cells for AMD: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1609583 & https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/this-clinics-experimental-stem-cell-treatment-blinded-patients-four-years-later-the-government-is-still-trying-to-shut-it-down/2019/04/03/432d6d04-ff2f-11e8-83c0-b06139e540e5_story.html & https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/patients-blinded-by-stem-cells-update/

    19) Jonathan’s article on blue-blocking glasses: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/medical-critical-thinking/feeling-blue-about-evidence-blue-blocking-glasses

    It’s Not Twitter, But It’ll Do:

    1) Jonathan’s article on current trends in pseudoscience: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking-pseudoscience/whats-trending-world-pseudoscience

    2) Jonathan quoted in the New York Times about RFK Jr.: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/12/technology/rfk-jr-campaign-vaccines.html

    3) Annual meeting of the Association des communicateurs scientifiques du Québec: https://www.acs.qc.ca/activite/2171-.html?month=&year=&tri=H&page=1

    4) Chris’ book, on sale now: http://doescoffeecausecancer.com/

    5) Chris’ upcoming panel at Concordia University: https://icare.mbmc-cmcm.ca/events-media-coverage/cafe-scientifique/


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