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Charles Clay: How to Turn Humble Pie Into a Purposeful Pivot Oct 06, 2022

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Are You Too Busy to be Successful? Oct 03, 2022

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Mike & Max break down the 80/20 rule on how to optimize your business and life.

How Conspiracy Theories Can Make You a Better Person Sep 29, 2022

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Kyle Kingsbury, Mark England, and Adam Chin. They all have something in common.

A couple weeks ago I invited the best narrative geeks in the game over to the studio to have a little fun with conspiracy theories.

And as you probably already know, conspiracy theories are just theoretical narratives that are labeled as such because it counters the narrative held by the majority.

Buying into any single narrative can be dangerous. Ken Wilber (one of the greatest philosophers of our time) once said "extremists believe that a part is the whole". That is they only know a part of the truth but treat it as the whole truth. Extremists are dangerous. They start conflict and can never bring peace.

So, whether you're down with the mainstream or you're a hardcore conspiracy theorist you're probably wrong, and partly right. Either way, on today's show we discuss how to wade through the BS and get down to the facts that will actually help you live your best life no matter what the rest of the world is doing.

Optimization vs Resilience with Mike & Max Sep 26, 2022

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How to Be a Man in 2022 with Matt Coast Sep 22, 2022

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Matt Coast is a former Navy Seal turned women's dating coach. We discuss what's happening in society in 2022 and how we as men can show up to be our best for the women in our lives and for the planet.

How Training Your Eyes Will Make you Better at Everything Sep 19, 2022

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00:10.29 Dr_ Placebo Welcome back to Monday mornings with max and Mike Today we're going to talk about Mike's funny glasses and we're gonna continue to cut through the Bs where we see it and then we're gonna add some BS. of our own Mike what's up and what's up with the glasses. 00:33.17 mikebledsoe Absolutely only the most helpful BS in the world. So ah, you know I had to get the we've already used that title. Ah. 00:38.00 Dr_ Placebo Oh can we call this episode constructive lives fuck. Okay I Guess that's really all there is is that all language Anyway, whatever right. 00:48.14 mikebledsoe ah ah I mean the enlightened folk out there I think I would tell you that. So yeah, the glasses are to solve ah a problem that was created by trying to solve a problem that we're trying to solve a problem. So. Ah, basically well these are blue light blocking glasses. So these are not my I still have twenty I'm forty years old 2020 vision to this day I ah I have to acknowledge my parents for their good genetics. 01:19.73 Dr_ Placebo Quit bragging. 01:26.50 mikebledsoe And ah and and my own personal work of doing a lot of things outdoors. No but ah, it's funny because I did start getting some floaters in my eyes and but not I mean I don't even notice them unless I'm like staring at the blue sky you know type of thing. But I. 01:37.10 Dr_ Placebo E. 01:46.21 mikebledsoe Was somebody asked me about their floaters and I go I go you know I'm not really sure what it is but I'm sure that if your body is incredibly healthy and doesn't carry a heavy toxic load and a lot of inflammation your eyes are probably eye health overall is going to do well. But so um. Was like you know what? and it's funny after that conversation I started noticing I was like oh when I'm looking at screens all day. My eyes I can tell like there's I go from being in my living room and then I sit down I have this I have a really big screen at my desk and I got the screen. 02:22.70 Dr_ Placebo Um. 02:23.68 mikebledsoe To improve my posture. So if you if you've got a tiny screen you're more likely to be hunched over trying to look at it and your head's gonna jut forward. But if you have a big screen. It's positioned right? You actually have to like sit back a little bit your chin tucks and you go into a much better posture. So I got this big screen and then I. 02:33.46 Dr_ Placebo Yep. 02:42.81 mikebledsoe Realize that my eyes are just getting blasted by a ton of blue light when I'm looking. There's artificial light I'm just staring right at it for hours and hour hours and hour hours and hours a day and I was like oh I need to get some blue light blocking glasses. So these are like my daytime I have some that. 02:47.24 Dr_ Placebo And. 03:01.32 mikebledsoe When the sun goes down I just swap it out with something that's more heavy duty. Ah and when I wear these glasses my eyes like my nervous system. Overall it's not just my eyes. My nervous system tends to be calmer throughout the day so looking into the blue light all day without anything to block it. Yeah. It was frying me. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see if. 03:21.60 Dr_ Placebo I Smell a sponsor. 03:30.11 mikebledsoe You got to be on my email list be on my email list. You might get links to the you know these products these magical products. 03:31.34 Dr_ Placebo Ah, ah, um, man and ah, all right all right I like it. You know I noticed um because I play tennis and. I Don't know if you know but you really need to be able to see quite well to play tennis at a distance in a variety of light scenarios and I noticed a couple times when I was on the computer a bunch before it Just absolutely. Put my ability to see the tennis ball in the basement. It was really rough. So I try to think of it like you know, um, like rpgs like role-playing video games and some you know you're you're going around. Maybe you're fighting monsters or some shit. But occasionally you find yourself. 04:10.54 mikebledsoe Here. 04:28.90 Dr_ Placebo A little console and I kind of think of ah life that way a little bit. It's a role-playing game and I try to be really mindful of how much time I'm spending at the console.. There should be a really compelling Reason. To use the screens basically and we we really we really don't know what the total cost is um, certainly there's the old ah example of the accountant becomes nearsighted and the farmer becomes farsighted. Right? And so I think the cycling between is the key. 05:06.54 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, dude I I agree this is a I love we're talking about this because Ashley and I oh my my mistake, my fiance and I forget her name. Ah yeah. 05:21.39 Dr_ Placebo Jennifer should come up with a fake name. 05:23.75 mikebledsoe Do that now I'm gonna be in trouble. Ah, she'll be the last person listen to this show. She she hears me rant enough. Ah the we we were having date night last night and one these little fancy blind bars. We had bread and accoutrements. 05:34.68 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 05:41.63 mikebledsoe And i't know what that word means but I know when I order it I Love the food that's put in front of me So the ah the oh yeah, the charouty as well. 05:53.29 Dr_ Placebo Charcotery is what I like I can say feed me meat and cheese in like 10 languages. 06:00.81 mikebledsoe Yeah I mean that's that's that's the necessary skills to have any travel. So. It's basically food and and bathrooms. But ah ah we were talking about Myopia and so I had I. Talked about ah I saw a study there day and said there's a huge rides in Myopia and that is nearsightedness that means that people can see just fine something that's in the room with them but something that they try to see far away appears to be blurry and um. You know it's attributed to the fact that everyone's looking at things really close but hardly ever looking at anything very far away and ah that that had me thinking about a concept and I don't know where I picked this up but I I didn't invent it myself. 06:45.19 Dr_ Placebo Edit. 06:56.68 mikebledsoe Which is ah basically the idea is that the more time you spend looking close if you're in a room and all that your your brain actually has a hard time conceptualizing very far out into the future your ability to project. Further out your ability to consider more is hindered and so your eyes are basically just like your your brain is reaching out in front to try to capture some sense of the world and ah if you spend a lot of time. 07:29.63 Dr_ Placebo A. 07:34.42 mikebledsoe And a small space. You're probably gonna think small thoughts. You're gonna have there's gonna small thinking your ability to think into the future is gonna be minimized and you know what? what? Mate. What I thought about next is you know the last two and a half years people spent. There's a 2 wo-year period where a lot of people probably the most people most people who were already indoors way too much now decide to lock themselves inside a house and stare at screens instead of. 07:52.34 Dr_ Placebo Um. 08:08.21 mikebledsoe Instead of looking at somebody who's ten feet away they're always eighteen inches away and if you're on your phone dude it's it's like it's one foot away from your face. So now you have an entire population of people who are near so ah near sighted they're they're myopic their thinking becomes myopic. So. 08:09.71 Dr_ Placebo M. 08:27.38 mikebledsoe As above so below. So whatever's happening in your physical world is going to dictate how your internal world is if you're living in a messy chaotic space your mind is likely gonna be a little messy and chaotic. So this I remember back to when I was living in California and remember. You remember my house and had that big window that was just dude I spent most of my time like I would wake up and walk in the backyard and look over the cliff into the expanse of the ocean and all that and at any time I could leave my computer and put my eyes out there. And it was all it was really nice to be able to get that that contrast and I and it felt good now. You had the practice of looking across the way and trying to spot little boats or a house down the way and to help with my eyesight and. 09:14.56 Dr_ Placebo A. 09:23.80 mikebledsoe And it got me thinking about just my ability to operate in business if I'm in front of a computer screen all the time you know how does that hinder my ability to plan for the future to see greater opportunities or am I going to be able to just see what's in front of me right now. 09:42.42 Dr_ Placebo Man I love what you said there starting about ah 2 two and a half minutes ago in case, anyone wants to timestamp this for later ah, because as soon as you said myopia I was thinking ah visual and psychological right? You get totally locked in. 09:54.20 mikebledsoe Yeah. 10:00.19 Dr_ Placebo Your your world literally shrinks your peripheral vision goes away and from just a more mechanical standpoint your muscles in your eyes and just outside your eyes are going to learn to stay frozen. In that certain area. You know most people are looking between twelve inches and twenty four inches away from their face all the time and if you want to do that. That's fine, but just understand there are going to be tremendous costs to this behavior right. The muscles on the inside of your eyes and outside of your eyes are going to start to freeze into that position because remember your body is always and exactly adapting to whatever you do so just the same way if you sit in a chair all the time your body is going to go. Okay, we sit in a chair a lot How do we make sitting in a chair easier. So if you're looking at a screen that's right in front of you or even papers that are right in front of you which I would argue is a little healthier for you to not have light emitting straight at you but instead have it be bouncing off a page but. Ah, you know before there were screens people were still damaging their ability to see further away by honing in on something really close like a scholar or an accountant or something like that. 11:32.78 Dr_ Placebo Going to get really good at looking at little spreadsheets but they're not going to be very good at seeing far away and it kind of reminds me once again of specialization. It's so useful to have you know 1 person counting the beans. They're locked away in an office all day. And then you have the visionary who never has to look at a spreadsheet in his life. He just looks up from the highest tower to survey the whole situation and lets someone else take care of the details and probably the best. Progress I've made in my life was when I had a clear um separation between those activities. So someone who was really specialized in those minor details. Would take care of that while I was able to see more like the big picture and connecting all these different ideas. So the ah connection between your vision. Ah,, let's call it physically. And your vision psychologically is completely interlinked and there are even um, different physiological responses to the position of your eyes even just looking up for a while. 13:02.96 Dr_ Placebo Been playing a little volleyball recently and so of course I've I've tried to break down all of the volleyball shots and the stances that you find yourself in and sort of like deconstruct volleyball because I don't like to be bad at Sports I like to be good enough to really enjoy them. And I was just thinking how in volleyball you're basically looking straight ahead or up the entire time and I was like wow this would probably be 1 of the best things for people to do just force them to look up and extend. If they're spending tons of time looking. Let's say down at a 30 to sixty degree angle now they're looking up at a 30 to sixty degree angle and everything is up and the hand-eye coordination. Everything is pointed upwards so that. Ah, equal and opposite force could be really beneficial. So just not only the um the distance away from the object and certainly being able to track an object in and out is one of the more fundamental visual skills but also just the angle. Of your eyes has a big influence on your nervous system. You know you snap your eyes up. You should be going into extension. You snap your eyes down. You should be going into flexion so like a fetal position so the position of your eyes and the distance away. 14:33.56 Dr_ Placebo Is going to have a big influence on your nervous system Vision's really complex. So one of the most complex things to understand. 14:37.96 mikebledsoe Yeah, the the other thing is is I mean if you study any body language like I I watched a bunch of videos by this guy who worked for some intelligence agency where he was. Talking about? Well you can you know their eyes do this. It's a tell right? and then I got into a little bit of Nlp and it's you and you can you can watch people when you're talking to them now and you'll I'll ask somebody a question and they'll start looking up into the right or up into the left. 15:00.00 Dr_ Placebo E. 15:08.26 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 15:14.15 Dr_ Placebo Right. 15:16.38 mikebledsoe And then if I ask them how they're feeling and if they're going to be honest with me a lot of times they'll look down like their eyes will will settle straight ahead into my eyes or they'll drop down or they'll they'll want to close their eyes and so yeah, well the the idea the idea that I'm thinking about. 15:30.00 Dr_ Placebo Submissive. 15:35.59 mikebledsoe Is is when the eyes go up a lot of times they're searching for something in the mind they're looking for a memory right in some people say I don't know how accurate this is up into the right you know is more creative processes are going and that part of the brain up into the left is a little more linear thinking more organized. 15:40.36 Dr_ Placebo E o. 15:55.40 mikebledsoe And so I mean I've watched people as I ask them questions and be in conversation. They're looking up and then they're looking to the right and up to the left and I can I can like I can actually see them searching for the information they're looking for. 15:57.51 Dr_ Placebo I. 16:09.28 Dr_ Placebo That's why I always just roll my eyes whenever you talk so you can't get a read on. 16:14.86 mikebledsoe Um, but yeah, ah I mean try try looking up and looking down and see how that impacts. 16:15.40 Dr_ Placebo But but. 16:23.73 mikebledsoe Your experience in that moment. I mean anyone can try this right now just look down or close your eyes see what happens look up see what goat happens and to me for me. It does it shifts I can I can watch my awareness. Go up into my head or my awareness fall into my body. 16:43.60 Dr_ Placebo Well, that's amazing I Think a good example is the connection I'll just bring it back to movement because that's sort of my thing still I Guess if you want to like mellow yourself out. You would basically take a lightweight and do some Romanian Deadlifts and you would look down you would you would you would look down. 17:18.10 Dr_ Placebo You would kind of bend over so you're folding into that fetal Position. You wouldn't stand all the way up and that's going to bring you down that's going to take your nervous system way way down and then um, the opposite would be. You're doing something where you're looking up. And exploding upward whether that's throwing a medicine ball or a sandbag in the air. Um, ah, jumping all that kind of stuff you…

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Love, Power, Attention with Mike & Max Sep 12, 2022

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00:00.00 mikebledsoe Oh last too bad. Yeah, it's great. It's great. 00:00.00 Dr_ Placebo All on my end I Still don't see it look. Do you see that see the levels. There's nothing there. You think it's great that we can only hear you talking on the recording is that what you're telling me. 00:15.28 mikebledsoe Now I can we can hear you just fine. We're working on Max's audio again. Um, how's your week ben. 00:17.27 Dr_ Placebo If you say So oh. 00:28.30 Dr_ Placebo My week's been good. How about you. 00:33.35 mikebledsoe Ah, man, it's been ah, it's been a lot of lot of fun I'm I'm rereading a book right now dollars flow to me easily by Richard dots and highly recommend it to anyone who well. Wants easy transformation. So that's really the book has little to do with money has everything to do with ah creating an inner state that ah of goodness allowing that to emerge and then ah. 01:00.62 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 01:10.26 mikebledsoe Allowing the universe to deliver all your intentions and desires to your doorstep. So if if money is what you need to reach your desires then you know I find that when I find that inner peace and goodness and just sit in that. Really cool things. Emerge. 01:33.25 Dr_ Placebo Kind of reminds me with ah dog training that it's not about training the dog. It's about training the person a lot of the time and as far as creative work is concerned if you are in a. 01:42.60 mikebledsoe Um, yeah for. 01:49.42 Dr_ Placebo Ah heightened state of some kind whether that's a flow state or otherwise you're just going to do your best work right. 01:55.49 mikebledsoe Yeah, you know what? I Also find that I've never figured anything out in Business. It's never been. You know there's definitely things to Learn. There's skills to learn. You know, managing finances and budgets and. Learning how to copyright and all these things are really useful skills and it doesn't mean you need you, You should avoid learning anything but it ah for me to sit with oh I'm going to sit and think my way to a solution when I'm having a problem is rarely. 02:26.51 Dr_ Placebo What. 02:32.43 mikebledsoe Ah, how it works out I can't even think of a time where I thought my way to a solution most of the solutions that have occurred to me has just been. You know you're in the shower or something or ah, you know I'm thinking about something I go to the fridge. 02:37.25 Dr_ Placebo Um. 02:43.83 Dr_ Placebo And. 02:49.87 Dr_ Placebo Who. 02:50.15 mikebledsoe So it's um, yeah, what I like about this book is it really puts me in that place of just observing what's good and then watching these things these ideas emerge and I definitely had that experience yesterday and um. 03:03.19 Dr_ Placebo O. 03:09.23 mikebledsoe Was being interviewed by John North um of weightlifting talk and he he and I had like similar rises of notoriety in the in the weightlifting Crossfit world and like at the same time and then also had you know. 03:24.60 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 03:27.79 mikebledsoe Kind of disappeared into the ether around the same time I I ah regularly get hit up by people on Instagram or Twitter and they're like oh shit, you're still alive like yeah yeah, still hanging out still doing some stuff and we had he. He. 03:30.30 Dr_ Placebo And. 03:37.52 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, yeah. Um, funny wo who. 03:47.14 mikebledsoe He asked me he goes he goes look. We can talk about all the good stuff we could talk about the good times. But why don't you tell us about the dark moments in your career in business I was like oh boy, Oh boy I can deliver that. 04:01.74 Dr_ Placebo Um. O. 04:05.32 mikebledsoe There's some dark moments. And yeah I don't know how long the show went on for it felt like 2 hours and it was you know I think it's the most emotional I've ever been on a podcast I don't think I've ever been interviewed and gotten that emotional. 04:09.82 Dr_ Placebo Whoa. 04:14.54 Dr_ Placebo Whoo. 04:19.92 Dr_ Placebo Woo Whoa. Oh. 04:25.11 mikebledsoe And um, yeah I really just I but basically I covered the year of 2017 for me and I didn't go through the whole year in detail but I went through the the thing a lot of the stuff that you know it's a good story. So I recommend anyone go listen to that. Um. 04:45.43 mikebledsoe Ah, do weightlifting dot com and you click on the podcasts. Ah and it was.. It was so emotional and it brought up. You know? Ah, Ah, you know if I could label the emotions. It was just there were it was just ah, a constant flow so much. So like I don't think I felt my emotions that deeply for that period that extended period of time in a very long time and when I got off the show. My fiance she she went off to dinner with a friend of hers. So I go sit in the sauna afterwards and meditate and just Sawa and cold plunge and then came home and got in bed and it. It occurred to me I was like this story that this story of 2017 is there's so many lessons that I learned that I really a lot of times I share the lessons in a very straightforward way but not in. But I could be sharing it from a place of storytelling which as you know that's the best way to get a point across is if you can embed it in a story. 05:52.98 Dr_ Placebo So. 06:00.80 Dr_ Placebo We need an arc with no arc no one care. No one cares without an arc. It might be true. It might be correct, but no one cares and that's been ah that's been something that I have hardly capitalized on much. 06:03.72 mikebledsoe Yeah, so no one cares. 06:17.43 Dr_ Placebo Because I don't care about the story interestingly enough I just want the I want the bullet points I want them in the correct sequence and I want as little fluff as possible but that's just not how people work. 06:23.76 mikebledsoe I yeah. 06:34.10 mikebledsoe No yeah mean we live by narratives and archetypes and archetypes is even a narrative about a type of person and ah you know? And yeah, so in in the world of you know speakers you know. 06:35.16 Dr_ Placebo The. 06:51.61 mikebledsoe I know you know this is every great speaker has got their keynote story and speakers that have been around for a long time people who get on stage. They'll have 2 or 3 depending on the situation and I've had so many I've had like so many they. So. 06:55.80 Dr_ Placebo A good. 07:10.83 mikebledsoe Speaking Coaches Love targeting me as a client they're like okay you know you're you're good on Stage. You're good at telling stories all this but you haven't really honed in on a story that converts people into a product that you're selling or a service. Or whatever and I go Yeah, you know, ah all the greats. The people who can sell a lot. They do it through storytelling and I've tried different stories and nothing really nothing really stuck. Nothing was super powerful and. 07:48.58 mikebledsoe I'm in bed last night and I'm I'm simply in the fields of my feelings and emergency goes. Oh that's that's the story. You should tell because these guys were on the edge of their seat at the end they were blown away they were it was it was obvious it was and I had never told the story in. 07:56.13 Dr_ Placebo Are. 08:07.62 mikebledsoe That much detail before on a podcast partly because lawsuits are a part of it and ah you know while lawsuits are going on. You can't go around telling stories about it. But it's ah. 08:19.40 Dr_ Placebo Um I would check with someone who knows these things rather than your hunch. 08:23.37 mikebledsoe I Think enough time has passed I think I'm okay. 08:31.30 mikebledsoe Ah I'm pretty sure. Um, yeah, the contract said something about 3 years and it's been more than three years. So I'm not too worried about it. 08:42.63 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, it's Interesting. You mentioned that because I find I know I'm in the minority but I find ah nothing ah less genuine and more fake when I see a speaker going through this big personal story. I'm like I I want to go like I know what you're trying to do. Can you stop it. You're annoying me like I came here to learn something and if you give me this long thing about your life I'm only going to leave. Basically so I I I know I'm in the minority. Um, with with that. But I mean. 09:02.81 mikebledsoe Okay, yeah. 09:12.55 mikebledsoe You are. 09:17.76 Dr_ Placebo Really successful guys. Ah, really do like Tug the heartstrings they play they play a crowd like a fiddle and it's quite a cool skill. But if I'm in the crowd I I like start to hate that person almost and I hate that person that's too strong but it makes me. 09:30.94 mikebledsoe Yeah there. 09:36.60 Dr_ Placebo It makes me ah feel less connected to them because I know that they're not doing this to provide a service they're doing this to like puff up their character right? who. 09:48.20 mikebledsoe Right? right? Yeah I mean um I think you and I are like in that way and that might be why we avoid you know, telling that story and um. 09:54.98 Dr_ Placebo It depends on what message you're trying to convey to right? like it's possible to tell a good story without making it about yourself right? You can talk about like. 10:08.66 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 10:12.65 Dr_ Placebo Costs and benefits and consequences and archetypes without telling a 20 minute personal story during a 30 minute lecture 10:21.35 mikebledsoe Well one of the most popular one of the most popular books on leadership a couple years ago was extreme ownership and I don't know if you read that is by Jocko willing and the entire the there's like ah a paragraph that gives the lesson embedded in. 10:28.43 Dr_ Placebo Yeah I did. 10:37.93 Dr_ Placebo These war stories. It's worst. It's war stories and I was like what what? yeah. 10:39.20 mikebledsoe this this story it's all war stories war stories with like ah like you could you could have gotten the point in like 2 pages the entire book. But it's buried in all these war stories and everyone loved it and I was like I like I was it was okay. 10:54.25 Dr_ Placebo I Find that? yeah well, what's funny is um, like I I don't like the book I think he is a really interesting character and it's the perfect example. Of who you want to lead a team of killers like but but is that who I want to emulate in my personal life as a leader and it's like I don't think so you know there are qualities that you can pick and choose and that's why it's so tricky to. 11:13.20 mikebledsoe Yes. 11:21.66 mikebledsoe Right. 11:30.89 Dr_ Placebo Pick someone to emulate consciously or subconsciously because you're only ah seeing a window into their life and you may not want their life. Um, right. 11:40.31 mikebledsoe Well in addition to that I mean you referred to dwayne the Rock Johnson in that regard before I think even on the last show but the the and I agree with the Jocko thing there was there were. 11:50.95 Dr_ Placebo That's my go to. 11:56.52 mikebledsoe There were certain things about that book and his attitude that just don't don't jive with me either and it's always been funny because people people are like oh my God It was so good I'm like well what parts are like all of it I'm like ah maybe not all of it. But some of it was Good. Um. And it because we do. We do need to be careful about who we model and. 12:21.57 Dr_ Placebo We're supposed to think that the books are good sometimes sometimes you're just supposed to think a book is good like my ah my friend was really kind. She got me a Tony Robbins book ah his newest who is his newest one life force. 12:33.64 mikebledsoe I who. 12:37.66 Dr_ Placebo Um, and before you think this is a plug This is the opposite of a plug. Whatever I'm about to do right now I was like I was it was fucking unreadable. It was so embarrassing like it was a giant infomercial of widgets that he's invested into. 12:41.84 mikebledsoe Ah me. But. 12:49.41 mikebledsoe A. 12:57.47 Dr_ Placebo Very unclear, very superficial, hardly practical, really like off the-wall shit that applies to nobody I Fucking hated it and of course I told my friend this too I told my friend this I was like that's one of the worst books about health that I think I've ever Read. It was hard to Read. It wasn't Useful. It wasn't simple. It wasn't clear but I really appreciate the gift. You know what? I mean like don't like hey I I Really appreciate that someone would buy a book for me I Think that's really nice but I don't have to like it just because. 13:25.97 mikebledsoe Ah, good effort. 13:36.43 Dr_ Placebo Um, you're supposed to like it and I think that happens quite a lot and. 13:39.62 mikebledsoe Well, you're gonna be my editor for my book. So it's gonna it's gonna have to pass the the max shank Sniff test. 13:47.69 Dr_ Placebo Ah, oh dude, ah call me the copy doced. Yeah copy doctor a doctor the copy up I'm I'm great I'm great at that sort of thing. 13:50.91 mikebledsoe The what the copy Doc Oh okay, all right, all right? Perfect Oh perfect, all right look at that look at that folks. We finally agreed to do something outside of the podcast. So. 14:04.44 Dr_ Placebo Oh perfect. 14:10.16 mikebledsoe Ah, well you brought up something interesting and because ah we are we learn through modeling but we also have anti-models and there are people that we don't want to be like and we got to be ah, equally careful of that. So. There's a number Tony Robbins would fall in this category right? Maybe maybe for you I'm the same way I've never. 14:34.73 Dr_ Placebo I Think he does some great stuff by the way I think there are people that he legitimately helps so much and I think that's fantastic and I think that book was awful. 14:42.98 mikebledsoe I agree. Yeah well I think his style overall is just not for me I don't think you're going to find max and I and a crowd of 10000 people you know psyching ourselves up. It's just not kind of not going to happen and we don't need that we're we're past that. 14:53.93 Dr_ Placebo Woo Totally right? Hey people like different things. 15:01.96 mikebledsoe And people like different things but we're not going to model Tony Robbins you're you're not going to find max or I on stage. You know, screaming at people and getting them pumped up with music and jumping around and it's just not going to happen. And we should. We should just do it just to just a fuck with people like. 15:20.32 Dr_ Placebo Cut to a year we're both on stage with headsets on. Are you guys ready to do fire breathing and then ah. 15:32.28 Dr_ Placebo I would do I would do a fake one I would I would do a fake one and just ah play a character I think that would be hilarious. 15:37.80 mikebledsoe Too bad We don't live in the same town Anymore. We can make a bunch of Spoofs about personal development programs. But ah, we got to be equally Careful. So ah, you know I don't think I shared this with you privately. But I didn't share this On. Podcast and I'll I'll share it I won't mention who this person is but I was hanging out with this person and they refused to wear a seatbelt why because they were because there's a law that says they're supposed to so they just don't want to do it and then the same person. 16:13.64 Dr_ Placebo Rebel without a cause sure. 16:15.25 mikebledsoe Ribble without a cause and the same person opens up their mail at the house opens it up. There's a picture of a license plate and saying you were speeding in the zone or whatever he rip…

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