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00:00.00 Dr_ Placebo Pretty funny before they wouldn't They wouldn't know what I wanted like they didn't understand what come sit stay meant so I was like yeah that's Fine. You're just Puppies. You don't understand what I want now. I'm certain that they understand what I want and sometimes they just won't do it. There's like a little rebellion phase that's happening right now. 00:31.38 mikebledsoe This payback. 00:35.46 Dr_ Placebo And well you know so far. We've just been using carrots. Basically no stick for our condition and. 00:45.42 mikebledsoe Ah. 00:54.30 Dr_ Placebo My special lady friend is a really kind soul it it would she would like lose her mind if I struck a dog I don't want to anyway. But I I get this feeling that they know that I'm all bark and no bite. And that's why they're like yeah okay keep talking big fella like I'm just going to do what I want to do. 01:17.51 mikebledsoe Yeah, um I learned this trick for dominating dogs which is you want to make sure you got control of their snout when you do this because I've done this with a big pit before which is you bite their ear so you take like your. 01:32.74 Dr_ Placebo M. 01:34.67 mikebledsoe Your canine and you dig it into their ear until they until they yelp and then they know because that's how dogs talk to each other right? like 1 dog is going to dominate the other and then they they bite an ear or they put their their mouth around their neck and then the other dog kind of gives up. 01:45.40 Dr_ Placebo Right? right. 01:54.57 Dr_ Placebo Ah, oh man, my dogs battle each other so aggressively all day long I mean I'm glad we got two I can't imagine just getting 1 dog and I don't like to say that too much. Because I don't want to make everybody who just got the 1 dog feel bad but it seems like they have some level of communication between them that I will never really understand they're on the same level. You know what? I mean. 02:20.95 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 02:25.85 Dr_ Placebo They can play in a totally different way. They communicate in a totally different way. Um, but man it is it is aggressive and then I remember like oh yeah, playing it is two things. it's ah practice for killing and and it's ah socialization that's that's what play is and for humans that's not how we play typically but that's in the animal kingdom that's what play is that's how you first learn how to how to kill things or not get killed depending on what the animal is. If you look at though I'm trying to think of ah what play looks like for herbivores. It doesn't occur to me right now. But for carnivores there's its play is basically practice for killing and it doesn't it's. Just reminds me of the circle of life. Something needs to die so that you can live and it doesn't matter if you're a vegetarian you got to kill that plant and that plant becomes part of you so it's kind of like the highlander there can be only one like you can. Eat it or it eats you basically and then when you die provided you you don't put yourself into one of those fancy boxes then you get eaten again after it's all said and done and that's ah I mean that's a funny thing maybe not cemeteries aren't funny. 03:56.41 Dr_ Placebo In a traditional sense. Maybe but it is weird that we try to take the the physical body out of the ecosystem. It's a really interesting practice. 04:07.50 mikebledsoe I Mean it's happening. You know we build homes we built. Ah, you know because nothing in nature is Square. You know have straight lines like I look around my house I've got a flat floor flat ceiling flat walls and they all meet at Ninety degree corners. And for the most part So We we basically separate ourselves from nature by putting ourselves in these boxes and then when we die we want to continue the separation So casket we go I need a new buck. This one doesn't have to be as big. 04:24.31 Dr_ Placebo And. 04:36.49 Dr_ Placebo I need and I need a new box. 04:44.60 Dr_ Placebo Um, that is kind of funny. That's like the whole whole life is like I need a new box I need a car that's like a mobile box and then I need a new house and that's a stationary box and then I need a coffin That's a very snug. Ah airtight. 04:58.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, you leave you leave the box. That's your house to get in the box that your car to go to the box. That's your work and or or maybe you're just building boxes for your work too. Like yeah yeah. 05:01.72 Dr_ Placebo Waterproof box. 05:07.72 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 05:14.33 Dr_ Placebo Yeah I mean if you're in construction you're building boxes. Basically it's it's funny. It's just so it's more ah comfortable on the inside right? I'm surprised. There aren't more oh it's It's actually because Ah. Squares tessellate the best so you can line a flat plane full of squares and rectangles. But if you try to do it with Circles. You have a lot of space left over but I think ah, a big dome would be really cool. 05:45.32 mikebledsoe Yeah, there's um I'm sure you've been in some cathedrals where the the ceilings you know they're they just kind of go up into a point where I've been in. Um I've been in big malokas. 05:52.56 Dr_ Placebo Beautiful. 06:00.30 mikebledsoe And the jungle where they're doing medicine ceremony and it all goes up to a point and I heard somebody talking about why don't we build our homes with a point um and or a cathedral like what why don't We build our home like a cathedral where there's this. Point that's going up right? and I think it might be that It's a little ungrounding and your attention gets funneled into that single place whereas with a box you can diffuse your attention a little more easily. 06:39.15 Dr_ Placebo Um I think it's probably that plots of land are rectangular and a rectangular house will maximize your living space on them honestly and. 06:46.70 mikebledsoe I Mean what if you had a rectangular house with ah with your ceilings coming to a point like to a single point like a tepee. 06:57.30 Dr_ Placebo And and no ah, no rooms just 1 big room and. 06:59.49 mikebledsoe Yeah, may well that that would suck So the round room doesn't really. 07:06.40 Dr_ Placebo Right? I mean there there are some cool. Ah, there's some cool domes. There are some really cool like I've looked into it. Ah you know me I've looked into a lot of different alternatives for how to live and how to eat how to live how to exercise like what alternative is there. Let me. 07:15.65 mikebledsoe Ah I mean. 07:22.79 Dr_ Placebo Let me at least examine it and you can you can get a house built like a dome you can buy yourself a plot of land and you can have basically a kit sent to you because it's all triangles you know Buckminster Fullers the inventor of the geodesic dome. And it's ah it's a kit that 2 people can put up this whole thing because it's just like 1 row at a time of the ah same side same size triangles the whole way through and it's really kind of an interesting thing. Um. 08:00.27 Dr_ Placebo But I think a lot of it has to do with the the plots of land and blending in.. There's most places that people live. There's a homogenization right? You you kind of want your house to look sort of like everyone else's and everyone has. This idea of what a house should look like like a fancy house looks like this and a medium fancy house looks like this and a not as cool house looks like this or whatever and we have these ideas of what it should look like right. Um I think it is if you have a rectangular plot of land though you're going to get more ah space with a rectangular house that that's for sure. 08:49.78 mikebledsoe Yeah, well I think we need to start creating triangular plots of land. Let's see what we can do with that you might be able to fit more houses in a single in ah in an area who knows. 09:00.11 Dr_ Placebo Um, that would make the thing that would make the well you also need roads too right? So it's ah it's interesting though to look at um. 09:05.91 mikebledsoe Those damn roads. 09:18.80 Dr_ Placebo Like New York city right is basically a grid like you know if you're on a and tenth street. you know exactly how to get to b and Twelfth street you know exactly how to get there 09:27.74 mikebledsoe Well the but 1 of the best grids on the planet is phoenix completely flat. It is a straight up grid. Well I think about I think about ah like New York or Boston you look at the East Coast and 09:34.65 Dr_ Placebo Because just straight up grids. Yeah. 09:44.51 mikebledsoe A lot of those roads were built when you know it was horse and buggy or carriage and so they're not that wide and then only that they have to they have the there's might be some old buildings that to go around So it's not it is grid but not as great as Phoenix which was way more planned and then you have to worry about the. 09:53.90 Dr_ Placebo Aha. 10:00.49 Dr_ Placebo And more modern right. 10:03.36 mikebledsoe Yeah, the the coastline you have the coastline that you have the that you have to work around. That's why on the west coast like you know like you can end up on a street that you're going east 1 minute and then north the next minute because it's having to go around everything but you go somewhere like Phoenix where it was. 10:17.40 Dr_ Placebo Right? so. 10:19.64 mikebledsoe Laid out in a grid. It's flat. There's nothing to go around is just a desert and now you now you get like this really, you can you can go to a street in Phoenix and look down the road and see blocks and blocks and blocks and blocks down the way without without any any blocking your view. 10:25.91 Dr_ Placebo Great. 10:37.20 Dr_ Placebo Um, and a lot of older cities are are more like um branches of like root systems or capillaries. Like Paris for example, there's like a central location and then it branches off. It's not really a grid. It's more like branches and rings. It's it's really interesting to see how we try to ah transport people around and if ah. If a place is growing um it it actually makes a lot of sense that it would be more like ah, a branching type of thing like a root system. 11:15.75 mikebledsoe Yeah, well I think about shapes and um, what that does relationally for people or communally and one of the things that happens at burning man is everything's done circular so you have the center of the city. 11:21.65 Dr_ Placebo Nothing of 1 11:30.84 Dr_ Placebo And. 11:31.66 mikebledsoe Basically black rock city and then ah the roads are by time so 2 to 15 to 30 so you've got a clock so those are your roads that that extend out and then the rings going around are abcd and of course. 11:42.26 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 11:51.55 mikebledsoe Every year that like the D is different like you know, depending on the theme or whatever. But in this circular community. 12:00.81 Dr_ Placebo So of course I don't understand that less. 12:04.34 mikebledsoe Ah, what do you mean? Oh sorry, No no, no, no like E might be a different word. Yeah elephant one year. Yeah. 12:09.82 Dr_ Placebo Abcd and then it's different like it's bigger or. 12:17.25 Dr_ Placebo Like Elephant Okay, got it? Okay, ah you're like of course I'm like am I supposed to feel stupid now. 12:24.33 mikebledsoe But the whole point of this podcast and see if I can make max feel stupid. But ah it hasn't It hasn't worked I don't know. Ah so that I think the circle um. 12:34.14 Dr_ Placebo I Always feel stupid. Ah. 12:42.60 mikebledsoe When people this is this really cool topic to talk about because we're talking about environment. How environment it's what raises and rings. Yeah Raisin rings are who I like that. So with the raisin rings. What I what I think is happening. There is it. 12:47.58 Dr_ Placebo So it's rays and rings. it's it's rays it's Rays Rays and rings. Yeah. 13:01.51 mikebledsoe Creates more? Um, it's It's hard to to say this is where this ends and this begins as much and there's more opportunity for people to interact from someone across town. So I can just follow this road and then now I'm on the other side of town. 13:20.52 mikebledsoe Whereas with a block. It's like if I want to go? Yeah, you know if I want to go anything other than North Southheast or west if I want to like cut across town then I'm zigzagging or I'm having to make this big loop. But with the raisin rings you you can start at the center and then get anywhere. You want. 13:22.30 Dr_ Placebo So. 13:35.18 Dr_ Placebo A. 13:38.86 mikebledsoe By just pointing and going. So I think there's. 13:47.61 Dr_ Placebo Um, I mean you're always going to have to take somewhat of a circuititous path no matter if it's a grid or raises in rings that's kind of the nature of roads. 13:50.14 mikebledsoe No matter what but I wonder I wonder what creates how what the social impact is if we're say say you're in ah and a structure you go into a tepee. 14:03.17 Dr_ Placebo And. 14:05.59 mikebledsoe Or you go into like a lot of like places where you do ceremony. They're all circular structures almost always yeah and it's because it it's like diminishes hierarchy and then ah. 14:16.80 Dr_ Placebo Nights of the round table. Totally. 14:24.10 mikebledsoe I Think it makes things more communal people are more if you're sitting in a circle you're more likely to talk to each other than if you're sitting in a square then it kind of feels a little weird. So I wonder. 14:34.83 Dr_ Placebo Or like a big long rectangular desk where I sit at the head of the table in a really really big chair which is of course how I like to have all my interactions with all my lackeys lining the sides. 14:36.42 mikebledsoe Um, yeah, exactly? Yeah, so yeah. 14:48.71 mikebledsoe A good example like I had dinner a few weeks ago where there was a dozen of us at a table at a restaurant and half the table I didn't talk to almost the entire time. But if we were sitting in a circle. It would have been a completely different experience so thinking about cities that are designed to be squares or circles. Um. 14:53.16 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, right. 15:03.46 Dr_ Placebo M. 15:08.71 mikebledsoe Also I I heard this recently that ah cities that are more circular based get more rain on average I need to find the information like actual data on that. But yeah. 15:27.32 mikebledsoe Yeah. 15:27.47 Dr_ Placebo More rain all fit I mean that's ah I have no clue what you're talking about I Understand the words you said and I wonder if it has to do with places that have more rainfall had. Earlier civilization and earlier civilizations had more circular ah systems of travel. But yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah. 15:53.14 mikebledsoe Could be could be yeah I Just I think about um the older I get the more I think about how the environment is shaping. People's behavior in general because I think that the majority. 16:07.33 Dr_ Placebo Button. 16:10.68 mikebledsoe I know we talk about incentives here a lot too. But if you look at in what your environment and how that shapes someone's behavior and then the incentives put in place those 2 things are likely the biggest drivers of ah behavior. 16:21.32 Dr_ Placebo Click m. 16:29.33 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, right? So where where you are and then the carrots and the sticks. Basically when I was doing a lot of ah virtual reality. It made me think a lot about environment because when you set up ah like a fancy.…
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