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    Job: I know that my redeemer liveth #2 'O that one would hear me' with Jack Lawson Oct 17, 2025
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    SummaryJob’s suffering reveals deep insights into faith, the nature of God, and the misunderstandings of his friends regarding divine justice.HighlightsJob’s physical and emotional suffering is immense, having lost everything, including his children. 😢His friends initially provide comfort through their silent presence. 🤝Job laments his existence, wishing he had never been born. 😔The friends struggle with the concept of retribution, mistakenly accusing Job of sin. ⚖️Job acknowledges God’s greatness while questioning His justice. 🤔The speeches of Job’s friends become increasingly accusatory and harsh. 😡Job ultimately seeks understanding, demonstrating unwavering faith despite despair. 🙏Key InsightsThe Role of Friendship: Job’s friends initially support him through silence, highlighting the importance of simply being present for those in pain. 🤗Misinterpretation of Suffering: Job’s friends embody the flawed belief in exact retribution, showing how misunderstanding can lead to further suffering. 📉The Depth of Despair: Job’s expressions of wishing for death illustrate the profound emotional toll of loss and suffering. 🥀Divine Justice vs. Human Understanding: Job grapples with God’s justice, emphasizing that human perception of fairness may differ from divine wisdom. ⚡The Necessity of Self-Reflection: Job’s declaration of his righteousness prompts a critical examination of one’s own life and actions. 🔍Faith Amidst Trials: Despite his anguish, Job maintains faith in God, showcasing resilience in the face of adversity. 🌈The Complexity of God’s Plan: Job’s experience suggests that suffering may serve a greater purpose beyond human comprehension. 🌌00:00 - Intro 00:33 - Job's initial situation 01:07 - Gathering of the Ecclesia 02:59 - Adversary's challenge 03:38 - Job's losses 05:11 - Job's lament begins 07:16 - Job's fears and feelings 09:08 - Disciples' misunderstanding 10:55 - Purpose of suffering 12:51 - Job's friends' reactions 13:44 - Eliphaz speaks 15:35 - Bildad's perspective 17:20 - Zophar's accusations 19:35 - Friends' arguments continue 22:17 - Personal attacks begin 23:10 - Job's response 24:35 - Job's challenges to friends 27:19 - Job's plea to God 30:35 - Job's feelings of isolation 32:23 - Job's reflections on righteousness 34:12 - Job's former life 35:42 - Conclusion and future discussions


    Job: I know that my redeemer liveth #1 'Friends in need' with Jack Lawson Oct 17, 2025
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    A @Christadelphians Video:Description: The book of Job is a very challenging book providing great insight into the reason why we as mortal sinful people suffer from time to time throughout our lives. Lessons can be learned by each one of us of the righteousness of God and His Almighty power but also of His tender loving care for all creation. We learn that we can always trust in God and so try to become like Job who feared God and shunned evil.SummaryThe Book of Job is a profound exploration of suffering, faith, and the righteousness of God, highlighting Job’s trials and his interactions with friends.Highlights📖 Tennyson praised Job as the greatest poem, showing its literary significance.📜 The preservation of the Bible is a profound privilege, connecting us to ancient texts.🖊️ A Bible marking exercise can enhance understanding of Job’s dialogues.📚 Reading different translations can provide fresh perspectives on the text.🤝 Job’s character showcases unwavering faith despite immense suffering.💬 Job’s friends exemplify the flawed belief in exact retribution for sin.🌌 The themes of God’s righteousness and power are central to understanding Job.Key Insights✍️ Literary Significance: Tennyson’s endorsement elevates the Book of Job, illustrating its timeless relevance in both literature and theology. The acknowledgment by a prominent poet emphasizes the depth and complexity of Job’s narrative. 📚🔍 Preservation of Scripture: The continuity of biblical texts over centuries is remarkable, serving as a testament to the divine influence in maintaining God’s word. This preservation reinforces the importance of scripture in spiritual growth. 📖🎨 Bible Marking Techniques: Utilizing color-coding and marking can help in visualizing and understanding character dialogues, making the study of Job more interactive and engaging. It aids in comprehending the structure and themes within the text. ✏️🌐 Translation Variability: Exploring various translations, such as the RSV or AV, can illuminate different interpretations and meanings, enhancing comprehension and appreciation of Job’s trials and theology. This encourages deeper inquiry into biblical texts. 📘🌟 Faith Amidst Trials: Job’s steadfastness in faith, despite his losses, teaches profound lessons about trust in God’s goodness and sovereignty. His response to suffering exemplifies a model of resilience for believers facing challenges. 🙏⚖️ The Flaw in Retribution Theology: Job’s friends represent a common theological error—believing suffering directly correlates with sin. This misconception is challenged throughout Job’s narrative, prompting readers to question simplistic views of divine justice. ❗NB: that 'shaddai' is derived from the word "shad" meaning breasts, hence the maternal reference at 20:50-22.02. The Septuagint in all the passages in Job uses the Greek 'pantokrator', which means strength. This is the most important definition given the context of the revelation of God's power and might in Job and the speaker states this when he says @20.02 "Job is the primary exposition of God Almighty". The danger lies from progressive Christians who want to discuss the gender of God as in this article:


    Thoughts on the Bible Readings October 18th (2 Chronicles 9, Ezekiel 44, John 11) Oct 17, 2025
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    2 Chronicles 9 tells of the visit of the Queen of Sheba - a rich and influential spice kingdom near the Horn of Africa. That Queen came to prove Solomon with hard questions and was astounded by his answers. The monarch from Sheba had been reluctant to believe what she had heard in her own country, but confesses that what she has seen and heard exceeded her expectations. That magnificent queen gifts spices and wealth to Solomon and makes a league with him. The chapter tells us of Solomon's control of the commerce of the entire region. Solomon dies after a 40-year glorious reign (though stained by his idolatrous unions in marriage which are not mentioned by the chronicler). Ezekiel 44 deals with the gate for the Prince - Messiah and instructions regarding the mortal Levitical priests. Verses 1-3 speak of the eastern gate of the outer square buildings of the Sanctuary being reserved for the use of the Prince i.e. Messiah - the Lord Jesus Christ. Only immortals can accompany Jesus the King of Glory in the eastern wing of the Temple. Verses 4-8 speak of the glory that Messiah brings and takes us to the North Gate where mortals may enter and receive the ministrations of the faithful mortal Levitical priests. Verses 9-14 tell us of the mortal worshipers who come to this House of Prayer for all nations: Isaiah 56:6-7. Zechariah 14 also gives more details of the worshipers coming to Jerusalem: Zechariah 14 verse 9, 16-21. Verses 15-27 contain the regulations for those Levitical priests. Verses 28-31 contain echoes from the Law of Moses and remind us that those priests will have no lands allocated to them since Yahweh is their portion. Those priests will receive an allocation of the fruits, vegetables and other foods of the Land.While beyond Jordan Jesus is informed that his friend Lazarus is gravely ill and the messengers request that Jesus come immediately. But verse 4 says that our Lord's response is to declare that this sickness of Lazarus is not unto death; but that Jesus might be glorified. After two days delay our Lord goes to his friends. Christ tells his disciples not to stumble; but to walk in the light, as long as the Light i.e. our Lord is with them. Jesus now plainly says that Lazarus is dead. This information probably raising more questions for his disciples than answers. When our Lord arrives note Martha's unshakable conviction that Jesus is the resurrection and the life and anyone believing in him would be raised up at the Last Day. Mary, however, had had her confidence in her Lord undermined by the Jewish rulers - called throughout John's account "the Jews". This caused Jesus to weep. The whole scenario was an out-working of the prophecy of Jeremiah 13 verses :15-17, which verses are cited three times by our Lord in John 11:4-10. To show that Lazarus is one of the Lord's sheep when our Lord's voice of command is spoken with authority Lazarus came forth alive. Lazarus walked out in his grave clothes indicating that this was not the resurrection of the last day that Martha had spoken of. How infuriating to the authorities that Jesus had raised Lazarus. Did they respond to this miracle in belief - no? They immediately sought the death of Lazarus death and schemed Jesus' own destruction. Caiaphas takes the lead in these matters. The Lord had predicted these events in his parable in Luke 16.


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    Thoughts on the Bible Readings October 17th (2 Chronicles 8; Ezekiel 43; John 9, 10) Oct 16, 2025
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    2 Chronicles 8 told of Solomon's accomplishments in the administration of his realm. Verses 1-2 tell us that 20 years were spent in the building of Solomon's own house and the Temple of the LORD. Verses 3-10 describe king Solomon's industriousness in providing for his kingdom. Verse 11 states that king Solomon built a separate palace for Pharaoh's daughter who seems to have been the love of his life and the wife spoken of in Psalm 45 and in the Song of Solomon. Verses 12-15 says that at the beginning of his rule Solomon was active in promoting the worship of Yahweh his God. Verse 16 returns to king Solomon's greatest accomplishment in the building of the Almighty's House. Verses 17-18 tell of the great golden wealth that came annually to Solomon. In Ezekiel 43 we have the climax of the prophecy with the King of Glory coming to his temple through the East Gate from whence it had left in chapter 10 verse 4. Also read Psalm 24 which was originally composed by David as it spoke of the glorious arrival of the ark in Jerusalem: see also Psalm 132 and 1 Chronicles 16. It is likely that this Psalm may be sung to celebrate the arrival of the King of Glory via the eastern gate as the temple is inaugurated. This eastern gate of the Sanctuary is reserved for the Messiah. We also have the arrangements for the altar, as there will be animal sacrifices in the kingdom. Animal sacrifices in the Kingdom, pointing backwards to Christ just as those under the Law of Moses had pointed forwards to him. In John 9 we have the 6th sign in the healing of the blind man. The discussion in this chapter is similar to the pattern established in chapter 5. Both the blind man and his parents are persecuted by the rulers for accepting Jesus. The formerly blind man gives a remarkable and compelling testimony that Jesus must be from God. The religious leaders spitefully cast out the man who has dumbfounded them with scriptural logic. Our Lord later finds this man in the temple so as to complete his restoration. These events most likely happened at the feast of the Dedication. John 10 is the magnificent account of Jesus being the door and the Good Shepherd. Christ had come that believers might have life and have it more abundantly verses 10-11. Our Lord by laying down his life for his sheep secured for believers that wonderful hope of eternal life in the kingdom of God. Once again the theme of chapter 10 contain echoes from and are an elaboration of chapter 5 i.e. that his sheep will recognise his voice. In the purpose of bringing salvation to believers he and his Father are one i.e. united - but our Lord's power is derived from his Father. The Jews reacted to our Lord's words and by claiming that he was speaking blasphemy. Jesus proves from Psalm 82 that the judges of Israel were called "god" as they spoke God's Word. The chapter

    finishes with Jesus going across the Jordan for some months - in Perea - where he remains until the events of chapter 11 would bring him back.


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    Thoughts on the Bible Readings October 16th (2 Chronicles 7, Ezekiel 42, John 8) Oct 15, 2025
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    In 2 Chronicles 7 Yahweh answers Solomon by fire to accompany the huge number of sacrifices. Verses 1-3 tells us that when the priests saw this miraculous event that they responded by praising Yahweh forHis lovingkindness. Verses 4-6 says that there was an incredible number of animals slain as the priests blew their trumpets at the dedication of the House. Verse 7 says that additional to the offerings mentioned before there were peace offerings, burnt offerings and grain offerings made. Verses 8-10 speaks of the great assembly being gathered from the ends of the Land. Verses 11-18 say the Almightyappears to Solomon the second time and speaks of His sincere response to Solomon's loving and dedicated prayer. His ears would always be open and He would respond with loving kindness. Solomonurges his people that whenever they are in trouble they need to beseech their Almighty and loving Sovereign as He will be responsive to their pleas from His House - verse 15. Verses 19-22 indicate thatthe blessings on Solomon and his people are conditional and dependent on their obedience. Note therecurring use of the word IF in these verses.

    Ezekiel 42 describes the temple's chambers i.e. small rooms. These chambers occupy the entire length of the outer square buildings. These rooms may be for the instruction and meeting the needs of the worshippers who will come in their millions. They measure 500 reeds in length for each side (north, south, east and west) - that is of six cubits (being the Royal cubit of two feet in length - making each side of the House about 1.8288 kilometres long. The perimeter of the Temple would therefore be about 7.31 kilometres. Some versions of John 8 omit the earlier verses of this chapter. There can be little doubt that they should be included in the record. A woman was brought to the Lord caught in the very act of adultery. Where was the man also caught in the act? It was a set up designed to trap Jesus. The Law of Moses made it very clear that adultery was punishable by stoning. As the Lord's enemies persist in goading Jesus he says: "Let the one without sin cast the first stone". Then Jesus stoops down and writes in the dust - most likely our Lord wrote their names in fulfilment of Jeremiah 17 verse 13. One by one the Lord's foes leave beginning at the eldest. Finally, the woman is left alone with Christ and although he does not condemn her she is charged to go and sin no more. This obviously meant an abandonment of her current manner of life. A discussion follows as to Jesus being the light of the world - one of the many Messianic titles John uses. This leads on to a discussion regarding origins - our Lord was from God but his adversaries were murderous liars and were in no way children of Abraham. Only the truth could set them free. Finally, Jesus astounds his foes with a claim that he is the entire focus of God's purpose. Abraham understood this and rejoiced in that knowledge.


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    Thoughts on the Bible Readings October 15th (2 Chronicles 5, 6, Ezekiel 41, John 7) Oct 14, 2025
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    2 Chronicles 5 describes the ark being brought to Zion and its resting place in the Most Holy Place. The final picture of immortality the cherubim - represents the unity of believers with their Lord.; as it was made out of the same piece of gold and perpetually recognising his sacrifice and glory. The choir praises the "chesed" i.e. the lovingkindness of Yahweh. Chapter 6 describes Solomon’s prayer at the dedication of the house. Note the humility of Solomon as he offers his prayer and the repetition of the phrase - "Hear in heaven, Your dwelling place". No physical house can contain our magnificent Sovereign. The whole ceremony is blessed by God. Note the pertinence of the words that we must extend the LORD's tender mercies i.e. loving kindnesses to others as we surely recognise our need of Yahweh's mercy. Punishment would be brought to Israel for their disobedience to their Sovereign to bring the nation back to God. Once again there is an allusion to Psalm 132. Ezekiel 41 tells us of the inner temple and the folding double leaved doors. Verses 1-26 describe the entrance rooms to the inner circle of buildings which constitute the Most Holy Place. Readers are encouraged to consider the writings of Henry Sulley - an architect from Nottingham - on Ezekiel chapters 40-48 in his book titled "The Temple of Ezekiel's Prophecy". Palm trees and cherubic figures are to befound in the vestibules of the Most Holy Place. Ezekiel's enthusiasm was heightened by the coming visionof the future house of prayer for all nations. May our contemplation of this glorious day likewise enlivenour hope and desire to likewise be there.John 7 records an unannounced visit of Jesus to Jerusalem at the Feast of Booths i.e. Tabernacles. There was a division among the people, as to whether our Lord was a good man, or a deceiver of the people. Jesus arrives in the middle of the feast. Many were convinced that he was the Christ. Although officers from the Sanhedrin were sent to arrest Jesus they could not do so because his time had not yet come. Jesus prophesied to them of his ascent to heaven and the giving of the Holy Spirit. Some said that this was the prophet like Moses. Others rejected this idea just because our Lord was from Galilee. Jesus just like Jonah, also from Gath-Hepher in Galilee told his audience to consider the sign of the prophet Jonah. We have seen in our earlier studies that the sign had many levels of significance and spoke primarily both of Jesus' resurrection and witnessing.


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    Thoughts on the Bible Readings October 14th (2 Chronicles 3, 4, Ezekiel 40, John 6) Oct 13, 2025
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    John 6 recorded signs 4 and 5 - the feeding of the 5,000 and our Lord's walking on the troubled sea. The feeding of the 5,000 took place in spring - a time of abundant green grass. It was Passover time (12 months before Jesus' crucifixion) and just after the death of John the Baptist. Jesus, in testing Philip, asks where can Jesus and his Apostles purchase sufficient bread in the wilderness for this crowd; for our Lord already knew what he was going to do. From the personal lunch of a lad - five loaves and two fish Jesus feeds 5,000 and collects 12 baskets full of fragments. Having full bellies, the multitude wants to forcibly make Jesus their king. Our Lord rapidly disperses the crowd and sends the disciples away by boat. Jesus goes into a mountain to pray. The Lord comes to the disciples walking on the water. No sooner had he joined them than they arrive at Capernaum - the city of comfort. This is a parable illustrating our vain toiling on the troubled sea of nations as we await the return of our Master. As soon as Jesus returns we will receive the peace he brings and the comforts of the kingdom age. At the synagogue in Capernaum a discussion takes place as Jesus tells them that he is the 'bread of life' - in contrast to the wilderness manna eaten by their fathers. The Son of God has been sealed in his thinking by his Father; and what they need to do was believe. Their being saved is through what the Father has done through His Son and all they can do is to accept this by believing on His Son. Isaiah 55 is a key link to this chapter and it focused on resurrection - "the sure mercies, i.e. 'chesed' of David". Note the emphasis in John 6 and how many times Jesus refers to resurrection - verses 39, 44. Verse 45 quotes from Isaiah 54 verse 13. All who believe the

    faithful message of the gospel are "taught of God". Jesus found that many would-be disciples leave him being unable to cope with the challenging ideas our Lord Jesus presents. Peter's encouraging and supportive words for his Lord particularly and for every potential disciple when says in verses 68-69, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed and come to know, that you are the Holy One of God". ESV Jesus though encouraged reminds Peter and the other Apostles of the rocky road ahead when he refers them to the challenges that are to come from Judas Iscariot: see verses 70-71. Let none of us trust in ourselves for the heart of mankind is "diabolos' - treacherous.


    Thoughts on the Bible Readings October 13th (2 Chronicles 1, 2, Ezekiel 39, John 5) Oct 12, 2025
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    In chapter 1 of 2 Chronicles Solomon worshipped at Gibeon and later that evening when Yahweh appeared to him, he was told to ask from God whatever he desired. Solomon's response was to ask wisdom to rule the people of the LORD in a wise way (this showed that Solomon had a degree of wisdom in making such a request). In addition to wisdom Solomon was granted great wealth. In chapter 2 Solomon prepares for the building of the temple and commences his rule in great humility. Solomon's start to his reign was remarkable. The king had, perhaps, the greatest potential of any of Israel's monarchs. The king's heart was towards his divine Sovereign but was sadly later misdirected by his marrying of foreign wives who took the king away from God. Chapter 39 of Ezekiel tells of the devastation wrought on Gogue and his hosts. They will fall in their multitudes and be carrion to the birds of prey - those birds who will feed on the slaughtered symbolise many other nations. Gog (Gogue) and his multitude will be given a place of graves east of Jerusalem - and this mausoleum will be called Hamon-Gog. It will take seven months to bury the dead. When Yahweh magnifies Himself in this great victory Israel and all nations will recognise the power that resides in that Great and Holy Name. Our Sovereign will exalt and restore His people Israel to be the head of the nations and will place His spirit within them. John 5 gives the third sign recorded in his account in the healing of the impotent man at the pool of Bethesda (meaning "the house of mercy"). It would seem that the Jews had a superstition about this place - just as surrounds the mythology of Lourdes. Some translations add, 'it was said that an angel ..'. The man was about 38 years old and a symbol of Israel, who for 38 years were powerless and perishing in wilderness. The miracle occurs on the Sabbath day and so this is a continuation of the Jews seek to contentions with our Lord about the Sabbath day. In verses 19-47 Jesus witnesses to his sonship,

    authority and truth. There was no equality between our Lord and his Father - Jesus' power was derived from his Father and without God Christ could do nothing. But the authority of the Word of Jesus, as he says, extended to raising the dead. The morally dead who listened would be enlightened and enlivened by the saving words of the gospel. This would mean that having now 'heard' the voice of the Son of God; they would be brought to life as they will be called forth to resurrection when Jesus returns to earth. The chapter concludes with Christ outlining the "witnesses" that incontrovertibly prove he was from God. This chapter demonstrates both the spiritual conception i.e. "new birth" in verses 24-27 and physical resurrection which precedes birth to spirit nature verses 28-29.


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    Watchman Report:#14 Russian Drones violate Polish Airspace - “Prepare war, wake up the mighty men”. Oct 11, 2025
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    A @Christadelphians Video: An insightful analysis of a major geopolitical escalation. This thought-provoking report examines the September 9th violation of NATO airspace by Russian drones, connecting the event to three outstanding prophetic themes from Scripture. We provide an expositional look at the rise of Russia as the northern power, Europe's awakening war spirit, and the gathering storm around Israel, all pointing towards the climatic events foretold in the Bible. Join us for this revealing perspective on current events.**Chapters:**00:00 - Introduction: Russian Drones Violate Polish Airspace02:28 - The Event: Details of the NATO Airspace Breach04:21 - Prophetic Theme 1: Russia's Rise as the Northern Power07:44 - Prophetic Theme 2: Europe's War Spirit Awakening08:52 - Prophetic Theme 3: The Gathering Storm Around Israel11:23 - Conclusion: Geopolitical Escalation and Prophetic Milestones**Bible Verses Referenced:**📖 Ezekiel 38:39📖 Ezekiel 38:15📖 Joel 3:9-10📖 Luke 21:25-26📖 Isaiah 60:14📖 Daniel 11**Tags:**Bible prophecy, eschatology, Watchman Report, Russia prophecy, NATO news, Ezekiel 38, Gog and Magog, end times news, current events from a biblical perspective, Bible talk, Christian teaching


    Thoughts on the Bible Readings October 12th (1 Chronicles 29, Ezekiel 38, John 4) Oct 11, 2025
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    1 Chronicles 29 outlines the extensive offerings for the temple, that David in gratefulness to God had prepared. And like the Tabernacle those offerings had had come from willing hearts - verse 9 compare Exodus 25:2. David then prays for the Assembly and asks that whatever those assembled had done would be acceptable to the Almighty. Note the similarity between David's prayer and the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6. Also take notice of the deep spirit of humility in which it was offered. Solomon was anointed

    king for the second time and we need to consider the import of verse 23 "He sat as king upon the throne of Yahweh over Israel". Thus began the kingdom of God on earth in its first constitution. David dies and is buried and let us consider the Apostle Paul's comments on David's faithful service in Acts 13 verses 36-37. Ezekiel 38 speaks of an invasion of the recently regathered and reconstituted nation of Israel (verses 7-8). The chapter speaks of a northern confederacy headed by one termed Gogue - meaning 'roof', or 'one at the top'. Looking at a map of Eurasia we need no imagination to be able to see the nation being spoken about. The leader of this nation is called in the Hebrew tongue prince of Ros, Meshech and Tubal - the ancient names for Russia, Moscow and Tobolski as many lexicographers tell us. In a book by a notable Russian historian (George Vernadsky - he says Ezekiel 38 is the first historical reference to Russia. Note the alliances mentioned and much of this has already transpired. This Eurasian confederacy is opposed by Israel and Arabian countries (verse 13). The principal aggressor comes from the "uttermost parts of the north" (verse 16 RSV). Moscow is directly north of Jerusalem. Verses 17-23 indicate that the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY will come to the aid of His beleaguered people and there will be a great earthquake (see Zechariah 14 and Joel 3 verses 16-21). It will be occasioned by the feet of the Lord Jesus Christ standing on the Mount of Olives. This was promised by the two angels at Jesus' ascension to heaven: Acts 1:1-11 compare with Luke's other record in Luke 24 verses 50-52. John 4 deals with the incident between Jesus and the woman of Samaria in which he offers her "living water". There follows a discussion between Jesus and the woman about the site of acceptable worship - Jerusalem, or Gerazim. Jesus firstly tells her that salvation is from the Jews. Acceptance by God is dependent on two factors sincerity and truth - these have always been the focus at Shechem, and with Joseph and his brothers in Egypt (Joshua 14 verses 14-15; Judges 9 verses 14-15). The woman accepts Jesus as the Christ (Messiah) and she then has an incredible impact on helping the Samaritans to receive Jesus also. Philip would about 7 years later reap the gathering harvest now being sown. That harvest is spoken about in Acts 8. From verse 46 to the end of John chapter 4 our Lord Jesus heals the son of an official from Capernaum - this being the second of the signs recorded by John and resulting in the official and his household believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. That Nobleman is thought by some to be Herod's keeper of the larder Chuza


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