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    The Animal Law Podcast

    Join animal law professor and longtime activist Mariann Sullivan as she explores groundbreaking legal cases shaping the future of animal protection. Each episode features in-depth discussions with leading attorneys, scholars, and advocates about critical developments in animal law—focusing on significant court decisions and their enforcement. Whether you’re a legal professional, animal advocate, or concerned citizen, discover how case law is evolving to recognize and protect animals. From landmark litigation to emerging legal theories, the Animal Law Podcast makes complex legal issues accessible while examining their impact on animals and society.

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    Animal Law Podcast #36: The Case of the Antibiotics for Dinner May 30, 2018
    Show notes

    On this episode of the Animal Law Podcast, I speak with Kim Richman of the Richman Law Group about several different cases he is working on that are all tied together by the theme of “truth in advertising.” We discuss what it means when animal agriculture companies advertise their products as “all-natural,” how that relates to evidence that such food contains trace amounts of antibiotics, what the law says about calling food all-natural, and the consumer protection cases Kim is bringing against companies that he asserts are using advertising that is deceptive.

    Kim Richman, founder of the Richman Law Group, is a litigator of and for the people. Through an activist approach to law and policy, Kim has endeavored to clean our adulterated food systems of contaminants ranging from trans fat and GMOs to synthetic ingredients and pesticides. Most recently, Kim’s mission-driven client base of consumers, NGOs, and progressive business is focused on tackling factory farming practices that threaten animal welfare, the environment, and human health. The firm was founded on the idea that what has not been achieved through legislation can sometimes be achieved through litigation. This tight-knit cadre of tenacious and diverse professionals is dedicated to fighting for the rights of its clients, and through them, the needs of the community at large.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its ninth glorious year!

    Animal Law Podcast #35: The Case of the “Harassed” Hunters Apr 25, 2018
    Show notes

    On this episode of the Animal Law Podcast, Mariann speaks with Sarah Hanneken, a litigation fellow at the Animal Legal Defense Fund, about the case of Brown v. Kemp, which was recently brought in federal District Court in Wisconsin. The case, brought by a journalist, a documentarian and an activist, seeks to invalidate some of the newly-enacted amendments to Wisconsin’s hunter harassment statute (Wis. Stat. § 29.083) on First Amendment and Due Process grounds.

    They also talk about the important role of Wolf Patrol, an organization dedicated to the recovery of gray wolves in the lower 48 states. Wolf Patrol encourages “a greater understanding and tolerance for cultural world views that promote a harmonious co-existence with wolves and other predators.” Its activities in Wisconsin, and how they have been hampered by the hunter harassment statute, constitute much of the factual background for this case.

    Sarah Hanneken joined the Animal Legal Defense Fund in 2014 as a clerk in the Litigation Program. Through her work, Sarah hopes to shift people’s perception of the other species with whom we share our homes, neighborhoods and planet.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its ninth glorious year!

    Animal Law Podcast #34: The Case of the Legal Eagles Mar 28, 2018
    Show notes

    On this episode of the Animal Law Podcast, Mariann will be speaking with environmental lawyer Bill Eubanks of Meyer, Glizenstein & Eubanks about a case involving whether or not the National Environmental Policy Act and the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act will be able to protect a pair of bald eagles in Colorado from developers. Bill gives us an in-depth explanation of the statutes relevant to this case, and discusses why it’s so important that the permit secured by the developers be vacated so that these nesting eagles and their newborn chicks can be protected.

    Bill practices in the areas of federal appellate and trial court litigation under the Endangered Species Act and other federal statutes involving animals and the environment. He’s worked on cases challenging oil spill response strategies harming sea turtles, getting protections for Indiana bats from an industrial wind energy project, obtaining agency records regarding federal financing of coal-fired power facilities, forcing a reconsideration of critical habitat for the California tiger salamander, reducing off-road vehicle use in Big Cypress National Preserve. He also teaches a course examining the intersection of environmental law, food systems, and agricultural policy.at Vermont Law School, American University’s Washington College of Law, and at the George Washington University Law School. Among his numerous publications is Food, Agriculture, and Environmental Law, which he co-authored and co-edited.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its ninth glorious year!

    Animal Law Podcast #33: Harvard’s Animal Law & Policy Program Mar 01, 2018
    Show notes

    On this episode of the Animal Law Podcast, Mariann will be speaking with three educators from Harvard’s Animal Law & Policy Program. Faculty Director Kristen Stilt, Executive Director Chris Green, and Policy Director Jonathan Lovvorn. They take Mariann on a deep dive into all the aspects of this fascinating program. You’ll hear about the various classes offered in animal law, how the faculty and students are working together to change the landscape of animal law, and the upcoming development of an Animal Law and Policy Clinic.

    They also discuss their individual focuses. Kristen talks about her work related to animal welfare in the Halal meat industry. Jon elaborates on his studies on the impacts of food animals and domestic animals on climate change, and Chris talks about his involvement with the summer program at the University of Illinois with the Animals and Society Institute.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its ninth glorious year!

    Animal Law Podcast #32: The Case of the Enslaved Elephants Jan 31, 2018
    Show notes

    On this episode of the Animal Law Podcast, Mariann will be speaking once again with Steven Wise, who heads up the Nonhuman Rights Project, and who was last on the podcast on Episodes 1 and 2 to tell us about the litigation brought in New York State trying to free several chimpanzees living in New York.

    Today, Steve will be updating us about that case, but primarily he’ll be talking about the NHRP’s latest habeas corpus petition, Matter of Nonhuman Rights Project o.b.o. Beulah, Minnie and Karen v R.W. Commerford & Sons. This matter, brought in Connecticut on behalf of three elephants, has recently been rejected by a Connecticut court in a rather peculiar decision, which pointed out, among other things, that the elephants’ owners were in a better position to litigate on their behalf than the Nonhuman Rights Project. Pretty strange, right?

    Steve is, of course, the founder and president of the NhRP. He has practiced and taught animal protection law for 30 years throughout the US and is the author of four books: Rattling the Cage – Toward Legal Rights for Animals; Drawing the Line – Science and the Case for Animal Rights; Though the Heavens May Fall – The Landmark Trial That Led to the End of Human Slavery; and An American Trilogy – Death, Slavery, and Dominion Along the Banks of the Cape Fear River.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its eighth glorious year!

    Animal Law Podcast #31: The Case of the Languishing, Lonely Lolita Dec 27, 2017
    Show notes

    Welcome to the 31st episode of the Animal Law Podcast! Mariann is joined once again by Delcianna Winders, PETA’s Vice President and Deputy General Counsel for Captive Animal Law Enforcement, to discuss PETA v Miami Seaquarium, which she just argued in the 11th Circuit. The case involves an animal with whom you are probably also familiar. Lolita is an orca who, in spite of enormous efforts to help her both from on the ground activists and activist lawyers, continues to languish in absolutely hideous conditions at the Miami Seaquarium. The case we will be discussing today holds out the best hope for getting her out of the hideous conditions in which she lives and setting precedent to require that the Endangered Species Act be enforced in a way that does more for the animals it purports to protect.

    Though Delci is now with PETA, she recently completed two years as the first Academic Fellow of the Harvard Animal Law & Policy Program. She has published extensively both in academic venues and in the popular press and she has taught animal law at a number of prominent law schools. She is also an author of the chapter on animal welfare in the upcoming third edition of the American Bar Association treatise on the Endangered Species Act.

    Delcianna Winders is vice president and deputy general counsel for Captive Animal Law Enforcement for the PETA Foundation and a Haub Environmental Visiting Scholar at the Elisabeth Haub School of Law at Pace University. Delci’s legal advocacy pushes authorities to create and enforce laws designed to help captive animals who are suffering in roadside zoos or beaten into performing in circuses, and her scholarship focuses on the intersection of administrative and animal law. She recently completed a two-year stint as Harvard’s first-ever Animal Law & Policy academic fellow, has published in media outlets and law reviews across the country, and was featured in O, The Oprah Magazine as one of “Six Women Who Dare.”

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its eighth glorious year!

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    Animal Law Podcast #30: The Case of the Missing Bus Ad Nov 29, 2017
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    Welcome to the 30th episode of the Animal Law Podcast! Mariann is joined by Matthew Strugar of the Law Office of Matthew Strugar, who returns to the Animal Law Podcast to discuss a suit recently filed on behalf of the White Coat Waste Project against the Greater Richmond Transit Company for refusing to run White Coat Waste’s advertisement criticizing deadly and invasive dog experiments at the Richmond-based Hunter Holmes McGuire Veterans Affairs Medical Center. Researchers at the McGuire VAMC have induced heart attacks in dogs, surgically implanted pacemakers in dogs and forced them to run on treadmills, and killed dogs in botched surgeries. The McGuire VAMC is the only federal laboratory conducting maximum pain experiments on dogs in which pain relief is intentionally withheld. Because the McGuire VA’s dog experiments are funded by taxpayers, White Coat Waste Project attempted to run ads on Richmond buses in conjunction with Tax Week this past April. The transit company rejected the ad citing its vague policy against “political ads.” Matthew will explain why this refusal is, in his view, in violation of the First Amendment.

    Matthew began his career at the Center for Constitutional Rights in NYC, where he supported the SHAC 7—animal rights activists who faced charges under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. In 2011, he joined the PETA Foundation as Director of Litigation, where he oversaw and litigated matters involving the First Amendment and animal law. More recently, Matthew founded the Law Office of Matthew Strugar to return to civil rights, prisoners’ rights, police misconduct, and protester defense, in addition to animal law.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its eighth glorious year!

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    Animal Law Podcast #29: The Battle Against Foie Gras, Part Two Oct 25, 2017
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    Welcome to the 29th episode of the Animal Law Podcast! Mariann is joined by Kelsey Eberly of the Animal Legal Defense Fund, who returns to the Animal Law Podcast to discuss the 9th Circuit’s recent decision in Association des Éleveurs de Canards et D’oies du Quebec v Becerra. The battle to ban the force-feeding of ducks and geese and the sale of its products has been long fought in California. In this eagerly awaited decision, the Courtoverturned a prior decision of the district court that had found that California’s landmark law regulating the production and sale of foie gras was preempted by federal law.

    Kelsey Eberly is a staff attorney at ALDF and has been working on a wide variety of cases and matters involving foie gras and the cruel method of force-feeding used to produce it. She was among the attorneys who worked on the amicus brief filed by ALDF in this case.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its eighth glorious year!

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    Animal Law Podcast #28: The Case Against Capturing Nemo Sep 27, 2017
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    Welcome to the 28th episode of the Animal Law Podcast! Mariann is joined by Laura Friend to discuss a recently decided case in which The Humane Society of the United States, along with the Conservation Council of Hawaii, the Center for Biological Diversity, and multiple individual plaintiffs, sued the Hawaii Department of Land and Natural Resources for failing to comply with the Hawaii Environmental Policy Act (HEPA) in issuing permits for the industrial collection of aquarium fish from Hawaii’s delicate coral reefs. Hawaii is the largest domestic source of species intended for the aquarium trade, and the Department was issuing permit upon permit for companies to remove unlimited numbers of rare and exotic fish without any consideration of the devastating impacts these activities have on the environment. After losing at the trial court level, and losing in the intermediate court of appeals, Plaintiffs finally obtained victory earlier this month when the Supreme Court of Hawaii ruled that these devastating practices could no longer continue without first undergoing environmental review. This decision explained that the aquarium industry impacts the coral reef ecosystem, and therefore is covered under HEPA. The decision also creates strong legal precedent for the broad reach of that Act to apply in many other circumstances that impact animal welfare and conservation.

    Laura Friend is an attorney for The Humane Society of the United States, where she began working after graduating from Georgetown University Law Center in 2014. She is part of the Wildlife and Animal Research team of HSUS’ Animal Protection Litigation department. Laura’s docket covers a wide variety of issues, from fighting to increase protections for marine mammals and captive exotic animals, to combatting international wildlife trafficking and inhumane hunting practices across the country. She accomplishes these goals through a variety of means, including drafting administrative petitions and comments on proposed agency actions, and filing lawsuits and amicus briefs to advance the organization’s cause.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its eighth glorious year!

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    Animal Law Podcast #27: Matthew Strugar and The Case Against Ag-Gag Aug 23, 2017
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    Welcome to the 27th episode of the Animal Law Podcast! Mariann is joined by Matthew Strugar, who tells us about a Federal judge’s decision to declare Utah’s ag-gag law unconstitutional. The Ag Gag Law was part of a movement among agricultural states to stop undercover investigations by animal rights groups. Like other state’s ag gag laws, Utah’s made it a crime to obtain employment at an animal agricultural facility and then film mistreatment. It also made it a crime to obtain employment at an animal agricultural facility through misrepresentation, including when an applicant refused to out himself or herself as an animal rights activist as part of the application process.

    Matthew began his career at the Center for Constitutional Rights in NYC, where he supported the SHAC 7—animal rights activists who faced charges under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. In 2011, he joined the PETA Foundation as Director of Litigation, where he oversaw and litigated matters involving the First Amendment and animal law. More recently, Matthew founded the Law Office of Matthew Strugar to return to civil rights, prisoners’ rights, police misconduct, and protester defense, in addition to animal law.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its eighth glorious year!

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