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    The Animal Law Podcast

    Join animal law professor and longtime activist Mariann Sullivan as she explores groundbreaking legal cases shaping the future of animal protection. Each episode features in-depth discussions with leading attorneys, scholars, and advocates about critical developments in animal law—focusing on significant court decisions and their enforcement. Whether you’re a legal professional, animal advocate, or concerned citizen, discover how case law is evolving to recognize and protect animals. From landmark litigation to emerging legal theories, the Animal Law Podcast makes complex legal issues accessible while examining their impact on animals and society.

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    Animal Law Podcast #6 — Getting Chimps from Labs to Sanctuaries With Anna Frostic Nov 25, 2015
    Show notes

    11100924_10153362496568904_7806415962084082977_nI’m so excited about Episode #6 of the Animal Law Podcast! This episode features Anna Frostic, the Senior Attorney for Wildlife and Animal Research for the Humane Society of the United States’ Animal Protection Litigation department, and she has an important story to tell about the long-term battle to get chimpanzees out of research facilities in the United States. This effort has had many different components, in the legislatures, the agencies, and the courts, and each development has depended on the work that was done before it. Sometimes legal change doesn’t happen all at once, and we are lucky to be witness to fruits of this work. As we all know all too well, there are not a lot of legal successes in the movement to protect animals, and we should savor them when they occur, and learn from them in order to come up with ways to bring protections to all chimpanzees, and, of course, to animals who don’t belong to species that are in such special favor.

    I’ll also be talking about my upcoming trip to Paris, where I’ll be headed to UNESCO headquarters to present a paper co-authored with the brilliant Professor Taimie Bryant, of UCLA Law School at a conference sponsored by La Fondation Droit Animal, Éthique et Sciences. I’ll be discussing why it is so difficult to achieve reform for animals in the United States, and, in particular, why so many legislative attempts ultimately fail to be sustained in the courts. From foie gras, to pig slaughter, to shoes made out of kangaroos, why is it so hard to pass laws that “stick?”

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Plus, we offer some fantastic thank you gifts for your donations. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Audio editing is provided by Eric Milano of Love Loft Studio. Special thanks to OHH’s Jasmin Singer, Anne Green, and Alessandra Seiter. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its sixth glorious year!

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    Animal Law Podcast #5 — PETA v. Whole Foods with Jared Goodman Oct 28, 2015
    Show notes Jared Goodman

    Jared Goodman + kitties

    Here it is – Episode #5 of the Animal Law Podcast! This brand new episode features Jared Goodman, Director of Litigation for the PETA Foundation, whom I love chatting with, and not only because he is my former student (!). An even better reason is that he has been keeping himself busy causing well-deserved legal trouble for all sorts of animal users and abusers. This week, we will be talking to Jared about PETA’s recent lawsuit against Whole Foods regarding some of the language Whole Foods uses to describe its meat products. When it comes to animals, is Whole Foods the angel or the devil? Or something in between? Regardless of where you come down on that question, we can all agree that they should be telling us the truth, and PETA claims that they’re not. Jared will also be filling us in on what PETA’s recent undercover investigation at a Whole Foods supplier uncovered, and why he believes it provides further support for the lawsuit.

    I’ll also be talking about language, the stock in trade of every lawyer, and the sometimes very odd meanings given to words when they apply to animals. What does “sentience” really mean, anyway? Or, when someone says that it was “necessary” to cause an animal to suffer, do they really mean necessary, in any coherent definition of that word? Language can get pretty tricky when people are talking about animals and that can have some major implications for the law.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Plus, we offer some fantastic thank you gifts for your donations. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Audio editing is provided by Eric Milano of Love Loft Studio. Special thanks to OHH’s Jasmin Singer, Anne Green, and Alessandra Seiter. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its sixth glorious year!

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    Animal Law Podcast #4 — Pork Check-Off Litigation with Matt Penzer Sep 23, 2015
    Show notes Matt Penzer

    Matt Penzer

    It’s time for Episode 4 of the Animal Law Podcast, hosted by me — Mariann Sullivan! This brand new episode features Matt Penzer, who has been heading up the “check-off” litigation for HSUS. Matt will rip the lid off the machinations of the pork industry to funnel millions of dollars collected by the USDA into financing its lobbying efforts. And what do you suppose the pork industry spends its time, and money lobbying for? To a large degree, it is lobbying against the legislative efforts of animal rights advocates to ban things like gestation crates. Pretty sleazy, right? Matt will be filling us in on the details of the recent decision from the DC Circuit allowing this litigation to move forward. If successful, this lawsuit could result in the pork industry losing millions of dollars in lobbying funds. We’ll also chat a bit about some of the other uses (and misuses) of the largely invisible checkoff programs, including the recent revelations about the use of egg checkoff money to take down vegan mayo producer Hampton Creek Foods.

    10245431_10152106620353196_2736863228159955816_nI’ll also be offering a few opinions of my own about when litigation on behalf of animals is useful. Sometimes it’s so frustrating that the changes we can make via the law, even when we’re successful, seem so small. In a legal landscape where opportunities for legal change are limited, when is it worth it? It’s a tough question, and one we all have to think about all the time.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Plus, we offer some fantastic thank you gifts for your donations. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Audio editing is provided by Eric Milano of Love Loft Studio. Special thanks to OHH’s Jasmin Singer, Anne Green, and Alessandra Seiter. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its sixth glorious year!

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    Animal Law Podcast #3 — Ag Gag with Justin Marceau Aug 26, 2015
    Show notes Photo courtesy of University of Denver -- Sturm College of Law

    Photo courtesy of University of Denver — Sturm College of Law

    We’re so excited about Episode 3 of the Animal Law Podcast! This brand new episode features Professor Justin Marceau, one of the lead counsel on the recent Ag Gag victory in Idaho. He’ll be filling us in on the details of that decision, in which Idaho’s hideous law was held unconstitutional in Federal district court on 1st Amendment and Equal Protection grounds. He’ll also be talking a bit about what this means for the future of ag gag in other states around the country, and he’ll also tell us all about his new role at the University of Denver’s Sturm College of Law, where he holds the nation’s first Chair in Animal Law.

    As you may know, the first two episodes of The Animal Law Podcast featured Steven Wise (Episode 1 and Episode 2), talking about the efforts of the Nonhuman Rights Project to obtain personhood, and habeas corpus, for chimpanzees. (Bonus: Read the transcripts from Episodes 1 & 2!) Today’s episode is so very different — talking about lawyers who are defending the rights of activists to let us know what is really happening on factory farms. Animal law truly runs the gamut, and, as it turns out, both cases are on the cutting edge of the law.

    I’ll also be offering a few opinions of my own, including a brief discussion about a few recent cases that have upheld the rights of communities to ban the sale of puppy mill dogs. There’s so much happening!

    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible. Plus, we offer some fantastic thank you gifts for your donations. Thank you for helping us create quality content!

    The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Audio editing is provided by Eric Milano of Love Loft Studio. Special thanks to OHH’s Jasmin Singer, Anne Green, and Alessandra Seiter. Don’t forget to also listen to the award-winning, weekly signature OHH podcast — now in its sixth glorious year!

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    Animal Law Podcast Episode 2 — Follow-Up with Steve Wise (ALREADY?!) Jul 31, 2015
    Show notes

    As you are probably aware, a decision just came down in one of the Nonhuman Rights Project‘s groundbreaking lawsuits regarding chimpanzees being held captive in New York State. Since the Animal Law Podcast had interviewed Steven Wise for Episode 1 regarding these cases, we wanted to make sure you got this latest update. Fortunately, he graciously agreed to come back on and inform us about exactly what the new decision is all about. So here is the second episode, way ahead of schedule, a bit shorter than usual, and, most of all, right on top of the latest developments!

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would also consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible! Plus, we offer some fantastic thank you gifts for your donations. Thank you for helping us create quality content! The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. Special thanks to OHH Media Coordinator Alessandra Seiter for acting as the Associate Producer of the Our Hen House podcast! The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the signature, weekly OHH podcast — now in its sixth glorious year!

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    The Animal Law Podcast is Here! Episode 1, Featuring Steve Wise Jul 28, 2015
    Show notes Photo by Derek Goodwin

    Mariann Sullivan: Photo by Derek Goodwin.

    UPDATE — 7/31/15: As you are probably aware, a decision just came down in one of the Nonhuman Rights Project’s groundbreaking lawsuits regarding chimpanzees being held captive in New York State. Since the Animal Law Podcast had interviewed Steven Wise for Episode 1 (BELOW), regarding these cases, we wanted to make sure you got this latest update. Fortunately, he graciously agreed to come back on and inform us about exactly what the new decision is all about. So after you listen to the first episode, be sure to listen to the follow-up interview on the second episode — which is way ahead of schedule, a bit shorter than usual, and, most of all, right on top of the latest developments!

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    Finally! For such a long time, I’ve wanted to interview the lawyers who are doing cutting edge work for animals and get them to reveal their secrets. Well, maybe not the secrets that the animal abusers they are fighting would want to get hold of. But — as a passionate (and nosy) animal rights law professor and activist — I’ve been thirsty for the details, not only about the animals these lawyers are trying to help, but I want to know the legal ins-and-outs, too. This is the stuff that law is made of. The stuff that actually changes the way society works. This is what I love.

    So here we are, at Episode 1 of the brand new Animal Law Podcast, which I will be hosting once a month. For all of you Our Hen House podcast devotees (thank you!), don’t worry: Our signature weekly podcast is remaining very much in tact, and is growing bigger and better before my and Jasmin’s eyes. It’s not going anywhere! We are simply (or not so simply) expanding our media landscape — introducing a couple additional podcasts to our multimedia hub. The Animal Law podcast, hosted by yours truly, is the first expansion. Huzzah!

    Image courtesy of the Nonhuman Rights Project.

    Steve Wise: Image courtesy of the Nonhuman Rights Project.

    And — pinch me, please — we have managed to score, for our very first episode, a lawyer who has been working for animals for his entire career. Steven Wise, and his Nonhuman Rights Project, is taking on the legal system full force, by using the most fundamental principles of the law — principles of justice, fairness, equality — and showing how they must be applied to animals or they lose their meaning.

    I really think you’re going to love this interview, and — dare I say — this podcast. We will be bringing you a new interview at least once a month, and there are so many possibilities to choose from. So, if you’re a lawyer, or a law student, or a person who’s interested in how the law works (or doesn’t work) when it comes to animals, please tune in, let us know what you think, and tell us who you want to hear from next.

    You can also listen and subscribe on iTunes.

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    You can listen to our podcast directly on our website (beneath this paragraph!) or you can listen and subscribe on iTunes! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it on iTunes, and don’t forget to leave us a friendly comment! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would also consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible! Plus, we offer some fantastic thank you gifts for your donations. Thank you for helping us create quality content! The Our Hen House theme song is written and sung by the incredible Michael Harren. Special thanks to OHH Media Coordinator Alessandra Seiter for acting as the Associate Producer of the Our Hen House podcast! The graphics for the OHH podcasts are created by the wonderful Laurie Johnston of Two Trick Pony. Don’t forget to also listen to the signature, weekly OHH podcast — now in its sixth glorious year!


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