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    Stephan Livera Podcast

    Join Stephan as he interviews the sharpest economic and technical minds in Bitcoin & Austrian Economics to help you understand how money is changing and evolving. Leading names in the world of Bitcoin join the show to share their insights, whether they are developers, CEOs, economists, authors, analysts and more.

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    Latest Episodes:
    US Government Fiscal Collapse Accelerates with Peter St Onge SLP561 Apr 03, 2024
    Show notes

    Peter St Onge rejoins me on the show to share some insight into how bad the US government fiscal situation is getting. We talk:

    • How much debt there is and what’s next here
    • The impact on the people
    • Japanese interest rates rising
    • Japanese economic impacts
    • AI and where the jobs will come from
    • Bitcoin outlook

    Links:

    • X: @profstonge
    • Site: Profstonge.com

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space
    • Nomadcapitalist.com

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack



    Tracking the new Bitcoin ETFs with Thomas Fahrer SLP560 Mar 30, 2024
    Show notes

    Thomas Fahrer, co-founder of Apollo joins me to talk about the Bitcoin ETFs. We talk:

    • Analysing the Bitcoin ETFs
    • What further institutional adoption looks like
    • How much capital could flow into Bitcoin
    • The Bitcoin FOMO scenario
    • Disagreements on the power law model
    • MSTR and Bitcoin

    Links:

    • X: @thomas_fahrer
    • Site: Heyapollo.com

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Chapters:

    • 00:00 - Introduction and Background
    • 03:02 - The Significance of Bitcoin ETFs
    • 13:33 - Rebalancing and Volatility
    • 21:19 - Grayscale's Declining Bitcoin Holdings
    • 25:41 - Swan.com
    • 27:00 - Mempool.space
    • 27:45 - Coinkite.com
    • 33:35 - Possible Motivations for Grayscale's Actions
    • 34:03 - Successful ETF Launch and Consistent Demand
    • 37:23 - Bitcoin Price Rise and Demand - Supply Dynamics
    • 39:44 - Volatility and Orderly Transition
    • 41:07 - Bitcoin's Historical Price Patterns
    • 44:05 - Flaws in Power Law Model
    • 45:05 - Bitcoin's Potential to Replace Traditional Assets
    • 46:41 - Flaws in Power Law Model and Fiat Currencies
    • 50:11 - Importance of Fundamental Analysis
    • 51:38 - Bitcoin's Bullish Case and Fundamental Properties
    • 58:51 - Closing Thoughts

    How to Ride Through This Bitcoin Bull Cycle with Vijay Boyapati SLP559 Mar 26, 2024
    Show notes

    My friend Vijay Boyapati (Author of the Bullish Case for Bitcoin, and part of the Swan team) rejoins me on the show to talk about HODLing, share his analysis on things, and offer some tips on how to HODL. We talk:

    • What phase of the cycle we’re in
    • HODLer psychology
    • Does Bitcoin get captured?
    • Is Bitcoin for Everyone?
    • Self custody tech
    • GBTC and Bankruptcies
    • Common traps and how to avoid them

    Links:

    • X: @real_vijay
    • Genesis thread https://twitter.com/real_vijay/status/1744454450138526162

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space
    • Nomadcapitalist.com

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Chapters:

    • 00:00 - Introduction and Overview
    • 03:01 - The Excitement of Bull Markets
    • 05:54 - The Slow Build-Up and Parabolic Moves
    • 08:46 - Hodling Through Adversity
    • 13:07 - The Nature of Bitcoin Cycles
    • 16:02 - The Reachability of Bitcoin Participants
    • 19:45 - Coinkite.com
    • 21:00 - NomadCapitalist.com
    • 22:08 - The Challenges of Self-Custody
    • 30:00 - The Feasibility of Self-Custody for All
    • 34:14 - Bitcoin as a Superior Monetary Base
    • 35:10 - Concerns about Concentration Risk
    • 38:07 - Mempool.space
    • 39:16 - Swan.com
    • 40:12 - Government Influence on Bitcoin ETFs
    • 43:32 - Multipolar World and Bitcoin Adoption
    • 44:01 - US Favorability towards Bitcoin
    • 46:51 - Genesis Bankruptcy and Grayscale's Future
    • 50:11 - Common Traps in a Bull Cycle
    • 59:54 - Dealing with Corrections in a Bull Cycle

    Mi Primer Bitcoin Goes International with John Dennehy SLP558 Mar 23, 2024
    Show notes

    Mi Primer Bitcoin (My First Bitcoin) has grown since I last spoke with them on the show. John from the team rejoins me to talk about how things have developed. The team has now taught over 25,000 students in El Salvador and they are now expanding internationally.


    Links:

    • X: @jdennehy_writes
    • Site: Miprimerbitcoin.io
    • SLP381 John Dennehy & Gloriana Solano – Bitcoin Diploma in El Salvador

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Chapters:

    • 00:00 - Introduction and Background
    • 01:16 - Bitcoin Diploma and Infrastructure
    • 03:37 - International Expansion and Node Network Governance
    • 05:27 - Course Format and Duration
    • 08:16 - Teaching Bitcoin in Public Schools
    • 09:14 - Collaboration with Ministry of Education
    • 12:37 - Different Approaches to Teaching Bitcoin
    • 15:27 - Continued Education and Advanced Courses
    • 17:55 - Coinkite.com
    • 19:06 - Swan.com
    • 20:18 - Mempool.space
    • 21:13 - Bitcoin Education for Different Age Groups
    • 23:48 - Format and Agenda of Bitcoin Education Conferences
    • 26:15 - Collaboration with Governments and Universities
    • 29:37 - Localization and Modification of Curriculum
    • 32:31 - Focus on International Expansion
    • 34:26 - Challenges of Education for the Masses
    • 36:48 - Adapting Curriculum to Rising Fees
    • 39:17 - Empowerment and Independence in Bitcoin Education
    • 40:40 - Call for Support and Contributions

    Swapping across Bitcoin, Lightning and Liquid with Kilian from Boltz.exchange SLP557 Mar 15, 2024
    Show notes

    How do we interact with Bitcoin in a multi layer world? What cost savings and trade offs are necessary here? What even counts as a layer? Kilian from boltz.exchange joins me to talk about swapping across Bitcoin on-chain, Lightning and Liquid. We discuss:

    • How swapping works
    • What makes it atomic and non-custodial
    • What counts as layer 2
    • Fee savings and trade offs

    Links:

    • X: @kilrau
    • Site: boltz.exchange
    • X: @boltzhq
    • Taproot feature blog post: Introducing Taproot Swaps: Putting the "Fun" Back into Refunds!

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space
    • Nomadcapitalist.com

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Chapters/Timestamps:

    • 00:00 - Introduction and Background
    • 03:07 - Boltz.exchange: Moving Between Bitcoin Layers
    • 05:35 - Use Cases for Lightning Service Providers
    • 09:45 - Enhancing Wallet Functionality
    • 13:20 - Non-Custodial Atomic Swaps
    • 21:43 - Coinkite.com
    • 23:07 - NomadCapitalist.com
    • 24:25 - Fees and Fee Savings
    • 29:35 - Trust Model of Liquid
    • 32:40 - Regulatory Risks for Liquid
    • 37:10 - Transaction Limits on Liquid
    • 38:58 - Mempool.space
    • 39:59 - Swan.com
    • 41:02 - Scalability of Liquid
    • 44:15 - Integration of Liquid with Other Services and Wallets
    • 51:22 - Pragmatism in Bitcoin Adoption
    • 55:45 - Operating in a High-Fee Environment
    • 57:45 - Closing Thoughts

    The First Bitcoin Circular Economy - Arnhem City Netherlands with Patrick van der Meijde SLP556 Mar 13, 2024
    Show notes

    Patrick van der Meijde, founder of BitKassa and co founder Arnhem Bitcoin City joins me to talk about his experience with co-founding one of the earliest Bitcoin ‘circular economy’ communities in 2014.

    • How he got started
    • Taking payments pre-lightning
    • Are there enough people spending?
    • Resurgence in circular economies
    • Adopting Bitcoin Arnhem City

    Links:

    • X: @PatrickvdMeijde
    • Site: adoptingbitcoinarnhem.com
    • Site: arnhembitcoinstad.nl
    • Cofounder @BitKassaNL
    • Cofounder Arnhem Bitcoin City @Bitcoinstad
    • Youtube: 10 years of merchants accepting bitcoin in Arnhem

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space

    Stephan Livera Links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Chapters/Timestamps:

    • 00:00 - Introduction and Background
    • 01:55 - Bitcoin Narratives in 2014
    • 04:45 - Transaction Fees and Challenges
    • 08:46 - Arnhem Bitcoin City and its Evolution
    • 09:55 - Context of Arnhem City in the Netherlands
    • 11:45 - Capital Gains Tax in the Netherlands
    • 12:33 - Impact of AML Regulations
    • 14:13 - Merchants Keeping Bitcoin
    • 15:00 - Swan.com
    • 16:14 - Mempool.space
    • 17:11 - Coinkite.com
    • 18:40 - Merchant Churn and Turnover
    • 23:35 - Importance of Local Community
    • 28:55 - Adopting Bitcoin Conference in Arnhem
    • 31:32 - Transition to Lightning Network
    • 35:45 - Success Rates of Lightning Network Payments
    • 36:30 - Improvement of Lightning Network
    • 37:53 - Conclusion and Event Details

    Bitcoin Atlantis 2024 interviews - Alden, Lavish, Strolight, Pouliot, Roose, Todd (SLP555) Mar 06, 2024
    Show notes

    While in Madeira for Bitcoin Atlantis, I did some interviews on a range of topics with Lyn Alden, James Lavish, Tomer Strolight, Francis Pouliot, Steven Roose and Peter Todd. We discussed:

    • is Macro mid curve?
    • USG debt
    • Using analogies to teach bitcoin
    • librerelay
    • MEV concerns
    • Self custodial and scaling

    Links:

    • Lyn Alden X: @LynAldenContact
    • Site: lynalden.com
    • James Lavish X: @jameslavish
    • Site: jameslavish.substack.com
    • Site: bitcoinopportunity.fund
    • Tomer Strolight X: @TomerStrolight
    • Bitcoin is Generational Wealth - A Short Film by Matt Hornick and Tomer Strolight
    • Swan Signal Bitcoin Blog
    • Francis Pouliot X: @francispouliot_
    • Site: BullBitcoin.com
    • Steven Roose X: @stevenroose3
    • GitHub: github.com/stevenroose
    • Peter Todd X: @peterktodd
    • Site: Petertodd.org

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Bitcoin DLC Self Custodial Finance with Philipp Hoenisch of 10101 SLP554 Mar 02, 2024
    Show notes

    What applications exist for Bitcoin self custodial finance? Philipp Hoenisch, founder of 10101 (pronounced ten-ten-one) joins me on the show to talk about bitcoin trading without counterparty risk. We discuss:

    • DLC overview and basics
    • DLC channels and lightning
    • 10101 walkthrough
    • “Funding rate”
    • Synthetic stablecoins
    • For individuals or business?
    • Risks and things can break down

    Prior Episodes:

    • SLP349 Chris Stewart Bitcoin DLCs & Stablechannels
    • SLP219 Nadav Kohen – What You Should Know About Bitcoin DLCs
    • SLP519 Self Custodial Bitcoin Finance with Matthew Black of Atomic Finance

    Links:

    • X: @bonomat
    • X: @get10101
    • Site: 10101.finance

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space
    • Nomadcapitalist.com

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Timestamps/Chapters:

    • 00:00 - Introduction and Background
    • 05:58 - The Concept of Discrete Log Contracts (DLCs)
    • 10:28 - Non-Custodial Trading and DLC Channels
    • 12:46 - Using the 10101 App
    • 21:32 - Expiry and Funding Rates
    • 26:01 - NomadCapitalist.com
    • 27:47 - Coinkite.com
    • 28:57 - Market Makers and Trade Sizing
    • 32:05 - Limits and Future Plans
    • 35:55 - Security and Hardware Wallets
    • 37:41 - Non-Degen Uses for 10101
    • 38:50 - Comparison of Stable Coin Concepts
    • 41:58 - High Interest Rates and Risks
    • 48:33 - Swan.com
    • 49:42 - Mempool.space
    • 50:44 - Comparison of Stable Value Options
    • 56:49 - Technical Complexity and Education
    • 58:43 - Future of the 10101 App
    • 01:00:45 - Reasons for Lack of Non-Custodial Finance Adoption
    • 01:03:56 - Closing Thoughts

    The Future of Bitcoin Banking with Eric Yakes SLP553 Feb 27, 2024
    Show notes

    Eric Yakes, author of The 7th Property, joins me to talk about the future of Bitcoin Banking, LN and ecash. We discuss:

    • Chaumian mints and ecash
    • Interaction with LN
    • Credit markets in the future
    • How does the system remain Full Reserve?
    • Regulatory roadblocks
    • Will there be a role for passive index funds?

    Links:

    • X: @ericyakes
    • axiombtc.capital/bank
    • Site: Yakes.io

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Timestamps:

    • 00:00 - Introduction
    • 08:23 - Bitcoin Banking
    • 13:57 - Chaumian Mints
    • 19:10 - How Do Chaumian Mints Work
    • 24:04 - Use Cases for FediMints and CashewMints
    • 31:09 - Coinkite.com
    • 32:24 - Mempool.space
    • 33:13 - Swan.com
    • 35:08 - Bitcoin's Evolution and Adoption
    • 38:20 - Regulatory Roadblocks for Commercial Mints
    • 40:31 - Mitigating Risk of Token Debasement
    • 46:59 - Fractional Reserve Banking and Trust
    • 56:45 - Passive Index Funds and Stock Indexes
    • 01:01:56 - Accounting Valuation and Global Wealth
    • 01:06:02 - Closing Thoughts on Banks Without Bankers

    EIA Attack on Bitcoin Miners Brian Morgenstern SLP552 Feb 22, 2024
    Show notes

    Brian Morgenstern, Head of Public Policy of Riot Platforms joins me to talk about the latest attack on Bitcoin miners:

    • Is Bitcoin mining a partisan issue?
    • The EIA “Survey”
    • Falsehoods on grid stability and emissions
    • False Emergency
    • What to do about it

    Links:

    • X: @MorgensternNJ
    • Thread https://twitter.com/MorgensternNJ/status/1754634147232977246
    • X: @TXblockchain_
    • Sen. Lummis declares the survey to be ‘absurd’
    • Joint statement by the Chamber of Digital Commerce & Texas Blockchain Council opposing the survey: Industry Statement on EIA’s Emergency Survey - Chamber of Digital Commerce (digitalchamber.org)

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Timestamps/Chapters:

    • 00:00 - Introduction and Background
    • 02:26 - Is Bitcoin Support Partisan?
    • 06:35 - The EIA Request for Information on Bitcoin Mining
    • 13:18 - Motivations and Political Divide
    • 18:42 - "Emergency" Collection of Data
    • 20:14 - Swan.com
    • 21:26 - Mempool.space
    • 22:35 - Coinkite.com
    • 23:52 - Competitive Information and Disclosure
    • 31:50 - Potential Misinterpretation and Attacks
    • 39:04 - Pushing Back and Taking Action
    • 41:24 - The Importance of Speaking Up
    • 42:16 - Closing Thoughts

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