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    Stephan Livera Podcast

    Join Stephan as he interviews the sharpest economic and technical minds in Bitcoin & Austrian Economics to help you understand how money is changing and evolving. Leading names in the world of Bitcoin join the show to share their insights, whether they are developers, CEOs, economists, authors, analysts and more.

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    Latest Episodes:
    What’s Next for Bitcoin and Mutiny Wallet with Ben Carman SLP551 Feb 19, 2024
    Show notes

    Ben Carman of Mutiny Wallet rejoins me on the show to talk about what’s coming next for Bitcoin. We talk about scaling Bitcoin and contrast the different mindsets, discuss different soft fork proposals and directions Bitcoin could go. We also talk about what impact covenants will have and the latest with Mutiny Wallet.

    • Bitcoin’s biggest challenges
    • Taxonomy of Bitcoin development culture
    • Soft forks and covenants
    • What ‘counts’ as a Bitcoin L2?
    • What are the big benefits of covenants?
    • Mutiny Wallet - a new Hybrid era?
    • Will people get priced out?
    • Fedimint support
    • Synthetic USD or swaps?
    • Inscriptions and Spam

    Links:

    • Site: mutinywallet.com
    • X: @benthecarman
    • nostr: npub1u8lnhlw5usp3t9vmpz60ejpyt649z33hu82wc2hpv6m5xdqmuxhs46turz
    • Inscriptions post: https://habla.news/a/naddr1qqxnzdesxgerxdp58yenyvejqgswrlemlh2wgqc4jkds3d8ueqj9a2j3gcm7r48v9tskdd6rxsd7rtcrqsqqqa28wdzn0j

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space
    • Nomadcapitalist.com

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Timestamps/Chapters:

    • 00:00 - Introduction
    • 01:18 - Bitcoin's Challenges: Scaling and Social Consensus
    • 08:50 - Different Perspectives on Bitcoin's Future
    • 16:10 - The Importance of Unilateral Exit and Self-Custody
    • 21:16 - The Potential of Covenants for Scaling Bitcoin
    • 25:23 - Mempool.space
    • 26:17 - Coinkite.com
    • 27:37 - Bitcoin Ark - A Payment Pool
    • 31:11 - Introduction to Mutiny Wallet
    • 34:36 - Addressing Security Concerns
    • 37:06 - Simplifying Onboarding and Social Features in Mutiny Wallet
    • 41:50 - The Challenge of Scalability and Affordability
    • 43:50 - Building a Hybrid Wallet with Fediment Support
    • 45:50 - NomadCapitalist.com
    • 47:50 - Swan.com
    • 49:07 - Guardians and Discoverability in Mutiny Wallet
    • 50:50 - Multiple Federation Support in Mutiny Wallet
    • 55:25 - Stable Channels and Synthetic USD in Mutiny Wallet
    • 01:00:20 - The Role of ETFs and Number Go Up in Bitcoin Adoption
    • 01:04:40 - The Debate on Inscriptions and Shitcoins in Bitcoin
    • 01:08:01 - Closing Thoughts

    Dispelling False Narratives About Bitcoin with Daniel Batten SLP550 Feb 16, 2024
    Show notes

    Do the lies about Bitcoin frustrate you? Join us in this episode as we discuss the ways to dispel and debunk some of the most egregious false climate narratives on Bitcoin with Daniel Batten, Managing Partner at CH4 Capital. We discuss:

    • The biggest bitcoin climate myths
    • Dishonest portrayal in the media
    • “Per transaction” fake methodology
    • Where Cambridge CCAF is wrong
    • Bitcoin’s PoW and ‘ideological intransigence’
    • ESMA submission
    • How Bitcoiners can help

    Links:

    • X: @DSBatten
    • Articles: https://batcoinz.com/submission-to-esma-on-bitcoin-mining/
    • https://batcoinz.com/a-tale-of-two-articles/

    Prior episodes referred to

    • SLP487 Bitcoin Mining Energy Debate – Digiconomist and Ben Gagnon
    • SLP542 Defending Bitcoin PoW in the EU with Lyudmyla Kozlovska and Bota Jardemalie

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Timestamps/Chapters:

    • 00:00 - Introduction
    • 01:51 - Daniel's Journey with Bitcoin
    • 09:13 - Biggest Bitcoin Climate Myths
    • 18:34 - Coinkite.com
    • 19:37 - Mempool.space
    • 20:34 - How Media Perceptions about Bitcoin Changed Over Time
    • 36:20 - Cambridge Bitcoin Estimate
    • 44:45 - Swan.com
    • 45:54 - Acknowledging Other Paths To Sustainability
    • 57:10 - Submission to ESMA and Correcting False Narratives
    • 01:09:21 - Bitcoin's Environmental Benefits
    • 01:12:40 - Closing Thoughts

    Is Everything Good For Bitcoin? with Christian Keroles SLP549 Feb 13, 2024
    Show notes

    We talk about monetary maximalism, and whether everything is good for bitcoin with Christian Keroles of HRF. We discuss:

    • Monetary maximalism: descriptive or prescriptive
    • Bitcoin Spam
    • Antifragility
    • What bitcoiners are getting wrong on personal finance
    • How 2023 played out with “ordinals”
    • Not being used to winning

    Links:

    • X: @ck_SNARKs
    • Site: HRF.org
    • Site: https://cbdctracker.hrf.org/home

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Timestamp/Chapters:

    • 00:00 - Introduction
    • 01:22 - Defining Monetary Maximalism
    • 03:10 - Monetary Maximalism as an Observation
    • 05:00 - Descriptive vs Prescriptive Monetary Maximalism
    • 09:50 - The Debate on Ordinals and Spam
    • 21:05 - The Nuisance Level of Spam
    • 22:48 - What Are Most Bitcoiners Getting Wrong On Personal Finance
    • 29:49 - The Emergence of Ordinals and Inscriptions
    • 32:27 - Coinkite.com
    • 33:28 - Swan.com
    • 34:31 - Mempool.space
    • 35:54 - The Umbrella Term of Ordinals
    • 41:16 - The Fallout and Consequences of Bitcoin Developments
    • 48:53 - The Strengthening of Bitcoin through Challenges
    • 53:20 - The Debate on Filtering in Bitcoin
    • 58:32 - The Emergence of Runes Protocol
    • 01:02:13 - Bitcoin's Winning Streak
    • 01:04:35 - Confusion and False Narratives
    • 01:07:37 - The Base of Bitcoin: 21 Million Coins and HODL
    • 01:08:37 - Closing Thoughts and Bitcoin Adoption

    Bitcoin Oasis 2024 interviews - Zucco, Rizzo, Dashjr, Prince Philip, De La Torre SLP548 Feb 10, 2024
    Show notes

    We’re trying something a little different this episode! While at Bitcoin Oasis 2024 in Dubai I captured some short interviews with some speakers at the conference. We covered a wide range of topics ranging from Bitcoin Spam, to nation state adoption and honestly grappling with bitcoin user adoption trade offs. The speakers interviewed are:

    • Alejandro De La Torre of Demand Mining
    • Luke Dashjr of Ocean Mining
    • Prince Philip of Serbia, from JAN3
    • Pete Rizzo of Bitcoin Magazine
    • Giacomo Zucco of Plan B Network

    Links:

    • Alejandro De La Torre X: @bitentrepreneur
    • Luke Dashjr X: @LukeDashjr and https://ocean.xyz/
    • Prince Philip of Serbia X: @PrincFilip1 and https://jan3.com/
    • Pete Rizzo X: @pete_rizzo_ and Bitcoinmagazine.com
    • Giacomo Zucco X: @giacomozucco and https://planb.network/

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space
    • https://nomadcapitalist.com

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Timestamps/Chapters:

    • 00:00 - Introduction
    • 01:44 - Alejandro De La Torre Interview
    • 08:26 - Luke Dashjr Interview
    • 21:10 - Swan.com
    • 22:46 - Mempool.space
    • 23:47 - Prince Philip of Serbia Interview
    • 37:08 - Pete Rizzo Interview
    • 54:29 - Coinkite.com
    • 55:46 - NomadCapitalist.com
    • 57:20 - Giacomo Zucco Interview
    • 01:13:26 - Closing Thoughts

    Big Changes in El Salvador with Mike Peterson SLP547 Feb 06, 2024
    Show notes

    Mike Peterson from Bitcoin Beach El Zonte, El Salvador rejoins me on the show to give listeners some updates from El Salvador. Having a reduced crime rate and improved investment and tourism into the country has driven big changes! We talk:

    • How things look a few years on from the Bitcoin Law
    • Life on the ground in El Salvador
    • How easy it is to move
    • El Salvador $1M Citizenship Program
    • Dealing with on chain fees
    • Custodial vs Self Custodial and pragmatism
    • ‘Circular Economies’ and insights from his networking around the world

    Links:

    • X: @Bitcoinbeach
    • YT: @LiveFromBitcoinBeach

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Timestamps/Chapters:

    00:00 - Introduction and Background

    01:20 - Two and a Half Years After Bitcoin Adoption in El Salvador

    05:21 - Financial Innovation in El Salvador

    09:36 - Bottom-Up vs Top-Down Adoption of Bitcoin

    11:00 - Ease of Setting Up in El Salvador

    21:05 - Coinkite.com

    22:13 - Mempool.space

    22:56 - Swan.com

    24:15 - Living on Bitcoin in El Salvador

    31:48 - Bitcoin Meetups and Events in El Salvador

    35:51 - Circular Economies and Bitcoin Adoption

    40:55 - Insights from Other Circular Economies

    50:05 - Custodial vs. Non-Custodial

    54:21 - The Bitcoin Beach Podcast

    56:16 - Closing thoughts


    2024 Lightning Wallet Overview with Anita Posch SLP546 Feb 02, 2024
    Show notes

    Get an overview of lightning wallets in this episode with Anita Posch. Anita walks through what she found in testing self custodial lightning wallets under conditions of poor internet connectivity. We also talk about themes that came up at the recent Adopting Bitcoin Cape Town South Africa.

    • On the ground insights
    • Results of the self custodial wallet test
    • Which LN apps came out best?
    • The situation with fees
    • Where the test might not be suitable
    • How things may change with a Liquid or Fedimint approach

    Links:

    • X: @AnitaPosch
    • Site: bffbtc.org
    • Bitcoin for Fairness - Anita Posch
    • (L)earn Bitcoin

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Bitcoin Life Insurance with Zac Townsend SLP545 Jan 30, 2024
    Show notes

    What does Life Insurance look like when it’s all priced and done in Bitcoin? Zac Townsend (CEO and co-founder of Meanwhile) joins me on the show to talk about it. We discuss:

    • Life insurance as a model
    • Term or Whole life
    • Bitcoin denomination
    • Is it the next Celsius or BlockFi?
    • Does it work under a deflationary
    • Private credit fund

    Links:

    • X: @ztownsend
    • X: @meanwhilelife
    • Site: meanwhile.bm

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space
    • nomadcapitalist.com/apply

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Where Did Bitcoin Come From? The Genesis Book with Aaron van Wirdum (SLP544) Jan 26, 2024
    Show notes

    Aaron van Wirdum rejoins me to talk about his exploration of how Bitcoin came to be. We talk about his new book, The Genesis Book. In this book, Aaron explores some of the technologies, and philosophies that led to the creation of Bitcoin. We discuss:

    • What he learned in making this book
    • Hayek and the Austrians
    • Extropians
    • Cryptography and the Cypherpunks
    • Libertarians
    • Precursor tech to Bitcoin

    Links:

    • X: @AaronvanW
    • Site: http://thegenesisbook.com/
    • Nostr #npub1art8cs66ffvnqns5zs5qa9fwlctmusj5lj38j94lv0ulw0j54wjqhpm0w5

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space
    • https://nomadcapitalist.com/live/

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Stephan Livera Substack newsletter

    Timestamp/Chapters:

    00:00 - Introduction

    01:07 - Motivation for Writing the Book

    04:05 - Bitcoin's Origins and Evolution

    08:21 - The Influence of Hayek and Austrian Economics

    18:54 - The Connection Between FOSS and Bitcoin

    25:49 - The Extropians and Their Vision

    30:47 - The Cypherpunks and Their Ideology

    32:28 - Swan.com

    33:52 - Mempool.space

    35:00 - Coinkite.com

    39:30 - The Rise and Fall of DigiCash

    51:20 - The Crypto Wars and Government Regulation

    56:26 - Pre-cursor Electronic Cash Projects

    01:01:20 - Satoshi's Clever Insight

    01:03:00 - Closing thoughts


    Bitcoin Mining Around the World with Seb Gouspillou (SLP543) Jan 21, 2024
    Show notes

    Sébastien Gouspillou is a French Bitcoin miner, entrepreneur, and speaker. He is the CEO of BBGS (Big Block Green Services) and he joins me to talk about Bitcoin mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Oman and elsewhere around the world:

    • Bitcoin mining in the DRC
    • Bitcoin mining in Oman
    • Using various forms of energy
    • Working in different environments
    • Narrative shifts in Bitcoin Mining and Proof of Work

    Links:

    • X: @SebGouspillou
    • Site: bbgsmining.com

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space
    • Nomad Capitalist LIVE

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Stephan Livera Substack newsletter

    Timestamps/Chapters:

    00:00 - Introduction and Background

    02:34 - Challenges and Risks in the Congo

    04:30 - Bitcoin Mining in Virunga National Park

    09:28 - Performance and Investment in the DRC

    14:10 - Economic Opportunities and Job Creation

    23:31 - Bitcoin Mining in Oman

    28:05 - Challenges of Solar-Powered Mining

    31:38 - Bitcoin Mining in the Middle East

    41:30 - Mining Potential in Africa

    45:05 - Energy Sources

    47:37 - The Environmental Impact of Bitcoin Mining

    55:35 - Closing Thoughts


    Defending Bitcoin PoW in the EU with Lyudmyla Kozlovska and Bota Jardemalie (SLP542) Jan 17, 2024
    Show notes

    It seems that the EU is constantly coming out with bad new regulations that will impact Bitcoiners and Bitcoin miners. Joining me today is Lyudmyla Kozlovska and Bota Jardemalie from the Open Dialogue Foundation - Bitcoin and human rights advocates. We talk about:

    • EU bureaucracy and ECB threat to Bitcoin
    • Why engage with these people at all?
    • Attacks on Bitcoin’s Proof of Work
    • Threat to self custody and sovereignty - AML
    • Bitcoin as bank of last resort
    • How you can help with testimonials

    Links:

    • PoW submission: https://en.odfoundation.eu/a/724499,defend-pow-submission-to-esma/
    • EU AML submission: https://en.odfoundation.eu/a/578069,can-the-eus-anti-money-laundering-reform-help-dictators/
    • Site / Support OD Foundation: https://en.odfoundation.eu/how-can-you-help/
    • Lyudmyla on X: @LyudaKozlovska
    • Bota on X: @jardemalie

    Sponsors:

    • Swan.com (code LIVERA)
    • CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)
    • Mempool.space
    • NomadCapitalist.com LIVE

    Stephan Livera links:

    • Follow me on X: @stephanlivera
    • Subscribe to the podcast
    • Subscribe to Substack

    Timestamps/Chapters:

    00:00 - Introduction and Background

    04:55 - The current threats

    08:00 - Engaging with Regulators

    12:05 - Can they be reasoned with?

    17:30 - Threats to mining

    25:55 - ESG Narrative and Proof of Work

    38:20 - Threats to Self Custody and AML Regulations

    46:03 - AML and Counter-Terrorism Financing Regulations

    52:50 - De-risking and Financial Exclusion

    01:00:28 - Summary of Key Concerns and closing thoughts


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