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Sober & Lit Podcast

Are you worried you might be drinking too much? If you’ve tried cutting back your drinking, but can’t imagine your life without wine? This podcast is for you.

Sober & Lit is the podcast for women in midlife who want encouragement, support, and real strategies to live their best life without alcohol. Whether you identify as a gray area drinker, a daily drinker, are exploring how to stop drinking, or are wondering how to know if you even have a drinking problem, this show offers practical tools and honest conversations. In each episode we answer real listeners’ questions about how to stop drinking and how to stay stopped. With sober stories, empowering insights, and practical tips and tactics for living sober with mindfulness, confidence, and joy. If you’re ready to explore an alcohol-free lifestyle and step into your most vibrant, “lit” life you’re in the right place.

This podcast is for you if you’ve ever asked:

Why can’t I drink like everyone else?

Why do I drink more than I want to?

I had weight loss surgery and why am I drinking every day now?

What is a gray area drinker?

Why can’t I stop drinking once I start?

How can I drink less during stressful times (holidays, divorce, empty nest, grief)

Is it possible to enjoy life without alcohol?

How do I cut back without quitting completely?

What’s the first step to changing my drinking?

How much alcohol is too much for a woman my age?

Every episode ends with how we and our guests feel lit with practices that support your mental health, optimizes your fitness goals and enhances personal growth. If you’re sober-curious, or alcohol-free and ready for your next amazing chapter in life, this podcast is your weekly dose of inspiration, tools, real talk, and some laughs!

Copyright: © 2024 Feel Lit Alcohol Free

Latest Episodes:

Weight Loss Surgery and Alcohol: A Journey to Emotional Wellness / EP. 031 Aug 13, 2024

Show notes

Welcome back to the Feel Lit Alcohol Free Podcast! Today, we’re diving deep into a topic that’s both eye-opening and incredibly personal. Have you ever wondered how weight loss surgery can unexpectedly intertwine with alcohol use disorder?
A listener asked this brave question: "I’m 7 years post WLS, I was always a social drinker, after WLS I radically changed my eating habits, but added wine…and it snuck up on me and soon I became a daily drinker. I really would like to connect with someone and understand the biological reasons for transfer addiction."
In this episode, host Ruby Williams gets real about her own journey with food, alcohol, and addictive behavior swapping. They discuss the surprising connection between weight loss surgery and developing disordered drinking patterns, shedding light on the rapid absorption of alcohol post-surgery and the emotional and physical toll it can take.
Ruby shares her inspiring weekly food prep routine, highlighting the importance of a keto diet and the positive impact it has on her well-being. She emphasizes the role of food prep in maintaining control over dietary choices and feeling good in her body.
The hosts emphasize the importance of cultivating self-love and self-compassion, and the significance of being mindful of drinking habits and reasons for alcohol use.
Join us for a heartfelt conversation that breaks down misconceptions and offers practical tools for personal growth. Are you ready to uncover the hidden truths and find hope in the journey? Tune in and let’s explore together!

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Susan Larkin Coaching https://www.susanlarkincoaching.com
Ruby Williams at Freedom Renegade Coaching https://www.freedomrenegadecoaching.com/
Follow Susan: @drinklesswithsusan
Follow Ruby: @rubywilliamscoaching
It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

Zero Proof Insights with Susie Streelman: Redefining Social Life / Ep. 030 Aug 06, 2024

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Today, your hosts Ruby Williams and Susan Larkin are thrilled to sit down with the trailblazing Susie Streelman, the visionary behind Zero Proof Experiences. 🌟
Ever wondered how the alcohol-free movement is reshaping social norms and creating vibrant, inclusive communities? Susie takes us behind the scenes of her dynamic pop-up events and shares the secrets to their success. From the buzz of “Sober in the City” gatherings to the rise of mocktails on restaurant menus, discover how one woman’s mission is sparking a revolution.
What drives people to embrace an alcohol-free lifestyle? How are these changes influencing our social landscapes? And most importantly, how can you join this empowering movement?
Tune in as we delve into the heart of the alcohol-free community, exploring the joys, challenges, and transformative power of living alcohol-free. Get ready for inspiring stories, practical tips, and a fresh perspective on enjoying life to the fullest without alcohol.
Are you ready to feel empowered, break free from alcohol, and become part of this exciting movement? Hit play and join us on this journey toward a healthier, happier you! 🌱✨
Connect with Zero Proof Experiences
Sober in the City Seattle September 6-8 2024 (Mention Feel Lit Pod!)
Susan & Ruby will be in Seattle so let us know if you are coming!!

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It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

Unveiling the Secret to the Fountain of Youth / Ep. 029 Jul 30, 2024

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In this episode, “Fountain of Youth,” hosts Susan and Ruby explore the transformative effects of an alcohol-free lifestyle on skin health.
A listener shares that she's 48 days alcohol free, and a lovely woman in her yoga class just complimented her and commented on how well she was looking and how nice her skin was. And then she explained that she's 48 days alcohol free, and it looks like she's looking 10 years younger.
As experts in alcohol freedom coaching, the hosts examine the physical advantages of sobriety, such as youthful appearance, clearer skin, and diminished bloating. The discussion extends to the broader impacts of alcohol on one’s looks and concludes with a mindful breathing exercise.

Join us for an insightful session filled with encouragement and practical guidance to enhance your natural radiance and vitality. Tune in for an enriching experience that promises to illuminate your path to wellness.
Time stamp:
00:00 Quitting alcohol leads to noticeable beauty improvement.

04:39 Fifties were both best and worst for me.

07:07 Struggling with self-image and negative thoughts.

12:37 Overcoming alcohol and self-image struggles, morning reflection.

13:38 Enhanced eyes reflect inner well-being and confidence.

17:18 Alcohol detox process and its effects summarized.

22:54 Episode explores desire for improved appearance.

23:26 Reflect on money spent, advocate for sobriety.

27:51 Exploring a new breathing technique for managing anger.

31:41 Use breathing to calm and make better choices.
Keywords
alcohol-free, skincare struggles, tongue discoloration, teeth discoloration, self-image, alcohol freedom coaches, physical benefits, reduced puffiness, pore extractions, self-care, breathing exercise, nervous system, Carrie Fisher's book, beauty routine, makeup, freebie, natural beauty of aging, vibrancy, fountain of youth, carcinogen, hydration, wrinkles, confidence, food choices, water intake, hangover, energy, nonverbal energy, financial savings, before and after photos, anger management

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Don't forget to follow and subscribe and leave a review! It helps to get the word out that living sober is lit!

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Connect with the Podcast Hosts:
Susan Larkin Coaching https://www.susanlarkincoaching.com
Ruby Williams at Freedom Renegade Coaching https://www.freedomrenegadecoaching.com/
Follow Susan: @drinklesswithsusan
Follow Ruby: @rubywilliamscoaching
It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

Sober & Strong: Embracing Inner Child Work for Emotional Resilience / Ep. 028 Jul 23, 2024

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Welcome to the “Feel Lit Alcohol Free Podcast”! Today, we’re diving into a topic that touches the very core of our emotional well-being: “Mother Hunger.” Have you ever wondered how unmet childhood needs can shape your adult life and relationships? Or how re-parenting yourself can be a powerful tool in your alcohol free journey?
In this episode, your hosts Coach Ruby Williams and Coach Susan Larkin are joined by the inspiring Cybele Botran, who has been alcohol-free for an incredible 13 years. Cybele trained under Kelly McDaniel the author of the book, "Mother Hunger." Cybele explains the profound impact of mother hunger on personal development and the path to inner healing.
What does it mean to become your own inner loving parent? How can addressing these deep-seated emotional needs transform your sobriety journey? Our speakers share their personal stories, shedding light on the importance of self-discovery, meditation, gratitude, and the strength found in a supportive sober community.
Get ready to uncover the emotional, physical, and spiritual dimensions of alcohol-free living. This episode promises to be a transformative experience, offering profound insights and practical resources. So, sit back, relax, and join us as we embark on this journey of healing and self-compassion. Let’s dive in!
Speaker Bio
Cybele is an International Coaching Federation Professional Certified Coach (PCC), a SHE RECOVERS® Coach, a Mother Hunger® Trained Facilitator, and holds a Master's Degree in Education with over 40 years of teaching experience. She coaches self-identified women and nonbinary people who identify with women's communities. She runs workshops and courses on Mother Hunger, inner child work, and reparenting.
Find out more about Cybele at: https://www.cybelebotran.com/
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Susan Larkin Coaching https://www.susanlarkincoaching.com
Ruby Williams at Freedom Renegade Coaching https://www.freedomrenegadecoaching.com/
Follow Susan: @drinklesswithsusan
Follow Ruby: @rubywilliamscoaching
It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

Self-Sabotage Exposed: Embracing Happiness and Healing / Ep. 027 Jul 16, 2024

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In this episode, hosts Susan and Ruby delve into the complex topic of self-sabotage, in answering this listener's question, "Does anyone else feel the need to self sabotage when you're feeling so much happiness and freedom? I'm not used to being happy and my mind wants to mess it up. Anyone else or am I alone in this?" The hosts explore the conditioning that makes it difficult to feel happy without expecting something negative to happen, and the impact of societal conditioning on self-acceptance.
They emphasize the importance of self-compassion and the role of experiences and data in empowering oneself to overcome self-sabotage behaviors. They highlight the significance of coaching calls, accountability, and community support in addressing setbacks and gaining self-compassion and hope.
The conversation focuses on understanding and overcoming self-sabotage, building self-compassion, and the role of community support in the alcohol-free journey. Listeners are invited to reflect on the cycle of self-sabotage, from cues and cravings to behaviors and rewards, and learn to break free from this cycle using self-compassion and objective analysis.
The hosts share their personal experiences with suppression of emotions and coping mechanisms like alcohol, emphasizing the importance of shifting focus from the past to the future and learning to feel and accept positive emotions.
Overall, the episode provides valuable insights and practical strategies for overcoming self-sabotage, building self-compassion, and finding support on the alcohol-free journey.

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Susan Larkin Coaching https://www.susanlarkincoaching.com
Ruby Williams at Freedom Renegade Coaching https://www.freedomrenegadecoaching.com/
Follow Susan: @drinklesswithsusan
Follow Ruby: @rubywilliamscoaching
It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

Taming the Lizard Brain: Green Light Thoughts / Ep. 026 Jul 09, 2024

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In this episode of the "Feel It Alcohol Free" podcast, hosts Susan and Ruby delve into the internal dialogues and rationalizations that often lead individuals to reach for a drink. They answer this lively question from a listener, “Arrrgh!! Damn you, wine! I am struggling with that naughty voice in my head again, the one that says, "just have a glass. You've done brilliantly, so relax. Stop overthinking it. You deserve it." And I know better. But why am I having these thoughts?”
The hosts share their personal experiences with these permission giving thoughts and explore the origins of these thoughts in the amygdala and limbic or "lizard brain". they emphasize the importance of creating an environment that doesn't trigger the need for relief at the end of the day and share strategies for overcoming the urge to drink.
Join Susan and Ruby as they delve into the psychology of alcohol consumption and share their favorite ways to embrace an alcohol-free lifestyle. So, grab a refreshing drink and get ready to "feel lit" with the "Feel It Alcohol Free" podcast.
Keywords
Alcohol-free lifestyle, alcohol freedom coaches, green light thoughts, amygdala, limbic brain, relief at the end of the day, lizard brain, mocktails, celebrating small wins, positive emotions, ritual without alcohol, SodaStream, alcohol-free community, Apple Podcasts reviews, A Wine Free Weekend, yoga snack, Down Dog app, emotional brain, animal brain, prefrontal cortex, stress relief methods, physiological needs, inner toddler, protein for relief, lifestyle changes, subconscious desires, automatic thoughts, environmental influences, conscious awareness.

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Connect with the Podcast Hosts:
Susan Larkin Coaching https://www.susanlarkincoaching.com
Ruby Williams at Freedom Renegade Coaching https://www.freedomrenegadecoaching.com/
Follow Susan: @drinklesswithsusan
Follow Ruby: @rubywilliamscoaching
It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

Bliss Without Booze: Ingenious Ways to Outsmart Boredom / Ep. 025 Jul 02, 2024

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Welcome to Episode 25 of the "Feel Lit Alcohol Free Podcast" with your hosts, Ruby and Susan. In this episode, they explore the concept of boredom and its connection to alcohol consumption. In answering a listener's question: "I went over 30 days about a year and a half ago. I'm losing control again. I have been for a while. Need to just stop. I want to be the best me I can be without alcohol keeping me from achieving it. I have realized that boredom is a huge trigger for me as I sat here on my normal day drinking Saturday. What strategies can help me cope with boredom, especially during the times when I drink out of being bored?"

Maybe you can relate? In answering the hosts share strategies for interrupting the cycle of boredom drinking and self-sabotage, emphasizing the importance of finding joy and pleasure without resorting to alcohol. The hosts delve into the impact of dopamine on the brain and the significance of gratitude. They encourage listeners to create a personalized toolbox of coping mechanisms and share their experiences with daily practices. In addition, Ruby and Susan discuss the importance of identifying projects and hobbies to engage in, the significance of physical movement, and the role of self-reflection in breaking the cycle of drinking. As alcohol freedom coaches, they aim to help listeners break free from alcohol and feel "lit," healthier, freer, and more in control. Tune in as they invite listeners to try their tactics, share feedback, and join them in their facebook group!

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Susan Larkin Coaching https://www.susanlarkincoaching.com
Ruby Williams at Freedom Renegade Coaching https://www.freedomrenegadecoaching.com/
Follow Susan: @drinklesswithsusan
Follow Ruby: @rubywilliamscoaching
It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

Authentic Fun : Navigating Life’s Joys Without Alcohol / Ep.024 Jun 25, 2024

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Dive into the vibrant world of the “Feel Lit Alcohol Free Podcast,” your ultimate guide to embracing the exhilarating journey of sobriety. In today’s riveting episode, they answer a listener's question: "How can I overcome the belief that life without alcohol will lack the fun and ease that I’ve grown accustomed to during happy hours throughout my upbringing?" Our dynamic duo, Coach Ruby and Coach Susan, dismantle the age-old myth that true fun is found at the bottom of a glass. With wisdom and wit, they’ll illuminate the path to a life where laughter and joy aren’t poured but discovered within. We’re tackling the tough questions head-on: Can life be a blast without the buzz? How does the allure of alcohol ads color our quest for happiness? Plus, we’re unveiling the transformative power of Havening—a breakthrough approach to keeping your cool in stressful social situations or to comfort your nervous system.
So, tune in and turn up the volume on a life where you’re the hero of your story, and every moment is a chance to shine, sans spirits. Let’s redefine revelry and unlock the door to your most authentic, alcohol-free self!

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Don't forget to follow and subscribe and leave a review! It helps to get the word out that living sober is lit!

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Connect with the Podcast Hosts:
Susan Larkin Coaching https://www.susanlarkincoaching.com
Ruby Williams at Freedom Renegade Coaching https://www.freedomrenegadecoaching.com/
Follow Susan: @drinklesswithsusan
Follow Ruby: @rubywilliamscoaching
It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

Alcohol Gut Health and Herbal Wisdom with Amelia South / Ep. 023 Jun 18, 2024

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On this episode of Feel Lit Alcohol Free, Susan and Ruby invite guest speaker Amelia South, a foraging instructor, herbalist, and gut health expert living on an organic farm in Connecticut. Amelia shares her journey from foraging to herbalism and her effort to educate people on healing themselves through nature and plants. She stresses the importance of diet and gut health, referring to the toxic Western diet and the need for healthy, locally grown food.
Amelia explains her personal experience with alcohol, including switching from red wine to Scotch and the negative impact on her health. She emphasizes the detrimental effects of excessive alcohol consumption on gut bacteria, discussing leaky gut and gut dysbiosis.
The conversation focuses on the connection between alcohol, gut health, and overall wellbeing, as well as the importance of educating people about healthy food choices.
In this episode, Amelia discusses various calming herbs and their effects, such as kava, milky oats tincture, motherwort, and holy basil. Additionally, Amelia shares her experiences of leading foraging walks, explaining the surprising diversity of plants found near people's homes and the importance of cautious foraging practices.
Amelia also emphasizes the importance of a diverse diet for gut health, including the consumption of 20-30 different types of fruits and vegetables per week, and cautioning against overindulging in processed foods and alcohol.
Join us for an enlightening discussion on gut health, herbal remedies, foraging, and the impact of alcohol on the body.
Guest Amelia South is a foraging instructor, practicing Herbalist, and gut health expert living on her small organic farm in Connecticut. She loves helping people heal with the power of nature and plants and by escaping the toxic Western diet. You can find our guest speaker Amelia South: https://www.herbalremediesbyamelia.com on YouTube, TikTok, and Facebook: Facebook.com/blacksunfarmct
Key Words
Black Sun Farm, herbal remedies, expertise, gratitude,Wine Free Weekend, Feel it Alcohol Free Podcast, herbs, calming effects, kava, milky oats tincture, motherwort, , walking barefoot, foraging, plants, stinging nettle, vitamin deficiencies, ARTHRITIS, Tulsi, Chamomile tea, Kava tea, ADHD, gut health, leaky gut

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Susan Larkin Coaching https://www.susanlarkincoaching.com
Ruby Williams at Freedom Renegade Coaching https://www.freedomrenegadecoaching.com/
Follow Susan: @drinklesswithsusan
Follow Ruby: @rubywilliamscoaching
It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

The Journey Continues: Tips for Embracing the Alcohol-Free Life Beyond 6 months /EP. 022 Jun 11, 2024

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In this episode of the Feel Lit Alcohol Free Podcast, hosts Susan Larkin and Ruby Williams delve into the alcohol-free stages and provide a timeline of what to expect from days 180 to 365 of an alcohol-free journey. The hosts draw from their personal experiences as former wine lovers turned alcohol freedom coaches to shed light on the challenges, milestones, and tactics for navigating the later stages of an alcohol-free lifestyle.
The episode kicks off with a recap of the previous discussion, addressing the initial months, cycles of drinking, feelings of gratitude, and the process of finding oneself on the journey. As the timeline progresses to the 6-11 month stage, Susan and Ruby emphasize the importance of experiencing gratitude for the simple things and recognizing moments that were previously overshadowed by alcohol.
Moving into the one-year mark, the hosts touch on the aspect of grieving for alcohol during special occasions and the shift towards embracing the positives of an alcohol-free life. They address the ongoing challenges of dealing with unexpected triggers and the need to equip oneself with emotional and thought mastery to successfully navigate the journey.
The episode concludes with a discussion on the practices of stillness and connecting with nature as tools for regulating the nervous system, calming the mind, and grounding oneself. Susan and Ruby also encourage listeners to submit their questions for the show and share their wine free weekend guide available at www.feelitpodcast.com.
Tune in to gain valuable insights and tactics for navigating the stages of an alcohol-free lifestyle, and discover how to navigate the emotional and mental aspects for a fulfilling alcohol-free journey.
Keywords
alcohol free, wine, alcohol freedom, stages, cycles of drinking, tactics, milestones, gratitude, present, sunrise, sunset, curiosity, awareness, recalibrate, healing, next stage, grieving alcohol, closure, thought management, coping mechanism, challenges, brainstorm, emotional mastery, thought mastery, countercultural, mindful walking, nature connection, stress reduction, grounding, calmness, mother earth

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Connect with the Podcast Hosts:
Susan Larkin Coaching https://www.susanlarkincoaching.com
Ruby Williams at Freedom Renegade Coaching https://www.freedomrenegadecoaching.com/
Follow Susan: @drinklesswithsusan
Follow Ruby: @rubywilliamscoaching
It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

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