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    Sales Funnel Radio

    My first 5 years in entrepreneurship was 34 painful product failures in a row (you heard me).

    Finally, on #35 it clicked, and for the next 4 years, 55 NEW offers made over $11m.

    I’ve learned enough to see a few flaws in my baby business…

    So, as entrepreneurs do, I built it up, just to burn it ALL down; deleting 50 products, and starting fresh.

    We’re a group of capitalist pig-loving entrepreneurs who are actively trying to get rich and give back.

    Be sure to download Season 1: From $0 to $5m for free at https://salesfunnelradio.com

    I’m your host, Steve J Larsen, and welcome to Sales Funnel Radio Season 2: Journey $100M

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    SFR 20: Mental Shelf Space Nov 02, 2016
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    I'm all about confidence, acting like the "bees knees", and the "cat's meow". There's a balance though. Here's how I find it.

    What's going on everyone? Hey, this is Steve Larsen, and you're listening to Sales Funnel Radio.

    Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio, where you'll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business using today's best internet sales funnels. Now, here's your host, Steve Larsen.

    All right. I got off an airplane. I left the airplane. Walked off the tarmac. We got ... Started walking through the terminal, and I get over to the car rental place. They're like "Mr. Larsen?" I was like, "Yes." They go, "For $30 more would you like to drive our brand new Ford Mustang for the next 3 days?"

    I said, "uh, yes." Anyways, I'm just sitting in a brand new Ford Mustang. Usually I'm not a car guy, and usually I'm not even a Mustang guy, but these new ones, the new models look pretty sick. It drives like a dream. It's amazing. This is not a Ford Mustang promo, I'm just saying.

    They got these seat ... You know seat warmers? These have seat coolers. I couldn't figure out forever how to turn off the seat cooler. It was on full blast.

    My butt was so freaking cold...

    Anyways, I did not start this podcast to tell you guys that. I don't know why I just said that. Anyways, I've been over at a little email conference. Email copywriting conference.

    I had a lot of message to market match stuff. I mean super nerdy stuff if you're not into this world at all. But it's been really helpful. I've been hanging out with Travis.

    I met a lot of cool guys...

    Been over at Travis's house the last couple of days. He's been teaching us the deep dark secrets of email copywriting and how to get more opens and how to get more clicks when they open.

    Retainability and deliverability rates...

    Anyways, it's like ... That's like brain candy for guys like me. Absolutely love it, super fun. Really enjoyed it.

    But, yesterday I was sitting there. We kind of ended and we were all sitting there still though. There was only 5 or 6 of us, kind of small intimate groups so we could ask questions and get better.

    He's like "What do you guys need? I've been talking a lot but what are some more of your questions also from what we've been talking about?"

    Everyone went through and went through. I was like "The problem I'm having is that every time I go look at someone else's sales funnel, I know what to do. I look at their stuff, I see the leaks. Every time I go see someone else's process or whatever, I look through it and I see the leaks...

    ...I know exactly what they need to do and how they need to fix it."

    The entrepreneur is always like "What? Oh my gosh, why didn't I think about that?' The weirdest thing has been happening. This happens every time I go build my own thing.

    I always ... this happens every time, and it's frustrating but it happens to literally every entrepreneur who's out there. As soon as you get ... Well, I mean, we're all prone to it anyways. It's easier to see what people are doing wrong in other people's business because it's not your business. Right? You stand up from a 50,000 foot view and you're looking down on top of it and you're going...

    "Oh, I totally see what that guy is doing wrong. If he would just add this sequence. He would add another 20% to his bottom line." Or, "If he would just add this, he would go to this traffic source. It's so obvious. Why isn't that guy seeing it?"

    In the group I was like "You guys literally all day long, all I do is look at sales funnels. I build them. I'm literally building them and working with them for about 12 hours a day right now. I've been doing that for a long time. Couple years."

    I was like "The problem I'm having is that I don't know where to go next, which is the weirdest feeling, because I always know where to go next when I'm looking at other people's things."

    Now that it's in front of my face literally, there's so many decisions. You're wading through all these things. Decision after decision. It's not that the decision making is hard. Its like, what's the ramification from this one.

    If I go down this path does that mean I'm giving up the other path? I only have so much time in the day, and I don't want to sabotage what I'm doing over here.

    I mean, for me, it's overload because ... I don't know. I'm probably a little bit weird like that...

    But my brain just goes all over the place, and I don't know what to do sometimes. I'm sure you guys have felt that way. I told everyone in the group "I'm learning right now. Not that I haven't known that before, but I'm relearning it. The importance of having a coach.

    Someone that just looks at your stuff and says, all right, you got to ... I know you're so close to it, you can't see everything that I can because you're making the decisions day to day." That's fine. Never feel bad that you're in that situation.

    I've been in that situation a lot...

    That's the first thing I realized. Number one, my progress just went through the roof as soon as I got a coach...

    They're like "Hey, here's some strategies you can do to cut the noise down. Here's some things you can do to "... It's really interesting, really fascinating. I was like "Oh yeah. It's so true. I would have said that somebody else. Why didn't I think about that?"

    It's because you're so close to the project. All these things ... You're not just making decisions, you're managing. You only have so much mental shelf space before your head starts to get all jacked up and you'll make stupid decisions.

    No matter how much of a boss you think you are, everyone's prone to that.

    Anyways, that's the first thing. Hey sorry by the way if the sound's a little bit different. Usually I record on a really nice mic so that the sound quality is awesome, but I am driving back to the airport to fly home. Thought this would be a good time for me to do this.

    Anyways, that was the first one. Number one, to clear away the noise you've got to get a coach...

    Which leads me to the second point. The scenario is hey I've been going through and been listening what the coach is saying.

    I'm fixing my business, fixing my life...

    You should get a coach for really every aspect of your life if you can.

    I certainly have several mentors in one space. I ask all of them the same question. I'll get different takes from every single one of them, but after awhile, a story, a flavor starts to come out. I'm like "Okay, this is kind of where they're...


    SFR 19: Liz Tennyson (All-Star Funner Builder) Shares Her Rare Story And Outlook On Funnels Nov 02, 2016
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    If you've never met Liz then there's a little spark missing in your life. She's one of the most inspirational and hard-charging people I've met. Here her wisdom now..

    Steve Larsen:

    Hey how's it going everyone? I am super excited today because I have a special guest on and it's not too often that I get to go interview someone as amazing as Liz Tennyson. How are you doing?

    Liz Tennyson:

    I'm amazing, hi everybody.

    Steve Larsen:

    Good, good, good. I'm laughing still because a lot of people that I interview, it's kind of early in the morning, and their either kind of half dead still or just not very lively and you're already making me laugh. T

    his is good. Liz, I was wondering just right off the bat. The first time I saw you online, I think it was in the ClickFunnels certified page and you were like just dropping these huge value bombs and I was like, "Oh my gosh, who is this lady? She's killing it."

    I was wondering, could you tell us a little bit about how you got involved with funnels in general.

    Liz Tennyson:

    I was going to say I'm glad you didn't mention, but then I'm going to mention it.

    My first post in there was me with my silly, I guess it was one of the physical products, the book, that Russell sends out with one of his products. I can't even remember which one, but I never get mail and so it was so fun to get something like in the mail and so then I posted it in the certified partner group and people were laughing at me.

    The way I got started with the certification program really just started this Spring, I was struggling with- I had my funnel set up but I was using so many different systems and so frustrated because it was taking me forever.

    I'm one of those people that I like to figure it out on my own. Especially even before I'm hiring somebody to do it, so I was still trying to figure out how to get everything up and I found ClickFunnels. I can't even remember who said, "Liz, you need to get your head on straight and simplify."

    That month I moved all my funnels over and we had a really fantastic month and so then I started kind of going, "This is pretty incredible how fast I can create things." I'm an action taker and so then from there-

    Steve Larsen:

    I noticed that...

    Liz Tennyson:

    From there it just kind of progressed into I was telling people about it. I was telling people really they should be using ClickFunnels and then the opportunity for the certified partner came up and it just seemed natural.

    Steve Larsen:

    Yeah.

    Liz Tennyson:

    It wasn't the best time. I have so many things going on with my book and my actual business, but it really, it's on of those things that I just had to do.

    Steve Larson:

    Now what is your actual business? What is it that takes your time?

    Liz Tennyson:

    I am a holistic health coach and a personal trainer. I run an organization called I'm A Fit Mormon and so my niche is obviously Mormon woman. Mom's that I help stay healthy and fit.

    Steve Larsen:

    Cool. That's awesome. Now obviously ClickFunnel has played into that a lot. Russel and I have been talking a lot about this. It's so hard to define what a funnel is to someone who has no idea what the are you know?

    Liz Tennyson:

    Yeah.

    Steve Larsen:

    It's a challenge to do this. Was it for you easy to make the transition over?

    Liz Tennyson:

    For me it was. I think I've been doing business for so many years. Even when I owned a FedEx franchise in my 20's.

    Steve Larsen:

    Geez.

    Liz Tennyson:

    It was the same thing in real life...


    You have to know how to transition a client throughout your process so once I understood how that worked, it just was kind of putting it into the online forum. Even when I help my clients, you know, I know exactly step 1, step 2, step 3. I think that if somebody can get that concept, kind of step back from ClickFunnels for 10 minutes and say, "What do I actually want to do for somebody? What am I actually doing for somebody?"

    Then you can build a funnel that can do that process. It kind of seemed natural to me...

    I take about, I don't know, I think last week I took maybe 2 to 3 hours and kind of wrote out you know the process I really wanted...

    Where I could really serve somebody better, if I was to create this type of funnel.

    If I was to create a really good sales page. It has to be good because then I want them to use my product that can actually change their life. I think if you step back for just a little bit and do that process. Then the funnel building is a lot easier.

    Steve Larsen:

    That's so interesting you say that because I- "What am I doing for someone else and how can I serve them?" That's such a good question to start with cause so many of us, I mean, we all want to make money, but when somebody makes that the pure focus, it's really really hard to actually make the money on there. I almost feel like it's a dog smelling fear.

    Everyone can tell when you're just there to pull their credit card out of their wallet...

    Liz Tennyson:

    Yeah and you end up with a sales page that's like "buy from me" and nobody knows like where did I find this guy that's just selling- you know? Like just selling me his stuff and that works if maybe you have- I could do that with my community because they love me and they know I put out good stuff, so could build a page that says like, "hey buy my next thing."

    But it's taken me 2 years to be able to do that and I don't do that because I want them to understand what the products actually going to do for them and the... it's going to take them from.


    Even though I could pitch a product and make money, it still doesn't serve my community the best and at some point that's going to start diminish if I'm not actually serving them in some way.

    Steve Larsen:

    It seems like every entrepreneur goes through that though. Cause obviously you get in to make the money but you're say that it sounded like there was a point where you bridged the gap between you know, "buy buy buy buy buy" and then over to ...


    SRF 18: Live Critique Of A Listeners Value Ladder Nov 02, 2016
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    You can practically skip the "Mission Statement and Business Plan" bull crap with a good Value Ladder and Funnel Hack...

    What's going on everybody? Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio.

    Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio, where you'll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business using today's best internet sales bundles. Now here's your host, Steve Larsen.

    Hey what's going on? I'm excited for today, this is a fantastic ... Anyways, I love this. I have another business that I have, it's called Secret MLM Hacks. I'm not pitching it, I'm just saying. This is context. Anyways, in there I have a product. If they take advantage of it they can send me their value ladders and I can critique them.

    Anyways, someone just sent me one, and I thought, hey, it'd be kind of cool. What if I critique one of these things that I'm getting on Sales Funnel Radio.

    I have it here in front of me and I guess on the blog I'll put up pictures of it so you guys can see what I'm talking about. Hey I got permission from the owner, which is awesome.

    Thank you very much Chris Gordon, you're the man doing some awesome stuff here for letting me do this.

    Anyways, I'm going to go through the value ladders. He sent over two value ladders here, which is good. On this very first thing, and for those of you who are just learning about value ladders or this is your first time on the podcast, or whatever it is, a value ladder is simply a map.

    It basically models the entire business that you are going for...

    It's like a graph, and on one axis you have value, and on the other one you have price, the amount of money you can get.

    The farther ... On the bottom, those are your free things. You've got your E books, free courses, PDF downloads. You see those things all over the internet. "Hey, where should I send this? Hey take this quiz and I'll send the results through e-mail." Those are just clever ways to get your e-mail address so that they can start marketing to you.

    The very next thing will be a page with something cheap on it. The next page will be a page with something a little more pricey on it, and then another one with a little more money. You get the idea, that's a value ladder, you move up rungs, or however you say that. Ladder rungs, right?

    Anyways, you move up ladder rungs in value. How much you give a person and how much you are going to charge them.

    The higher someone goes, we can anticipate that person was really in pain.

    Someone only purchases for two reasons, pain or pleasure, they are both emotional. Pleasure, whether it's a biz op thing, or for pain. Hey I've got to solve this problem. The whole job of marketing is to educate people on the pain that they don't know they have, or they do.

    Or the pleasure that they don't know they have. I cannot speak right now, I was up super late last night. Or the pleasure, whether or not they know they have it or could have it. That's the only job of marketing is education. That's from Jay Abraham.

    Anyways, this value ladder, so you sent me a value ladder, thank you very much Chris again. I'm going to go through your value ladder. It literally just looks like he drew, just so everyone knows, you draw what stairs would look like looking at them from the side. At the very bottom you've got your free thing and then there is a next step of the stair, and then the next step up, the next step up. As you move along you add more value but you also charge more money.

    The first time I ever learned of this concept was from Russell Bronson. It's cool because once I got it I was like holy crap, he could model a whole business in just this little graph.

    Not only what you are going to give but how you are going to deliver it, the price points that you are going to bring with it, continuity, which we know that if you don't have continuity then you are not going to succeed, you are actually going to fail most of the time.

    It's been said that unless you have continuity you don't have a business...

    If you guys don't know what that means, continuity is like, "Hey get on our monthly shipping program." It's the things that you can charge for over and over and over again. Like commodities.

    I bet 90% of you out there are on continuity for eggs. Eggs, milk and bread, as America we are on that continuity program. We can guarantee everyone is going to buy eggs and milk. Or tires, consumables, things that expire.

    If you can get something like that in your business, where they pay for a membership over and over again like a gym membership, that's continuity.

    Unless you have that, it's said that you don't have a business. You are just selling one time things, these little instances of business, not a full one. Anyways, let's go through this with that backdrop.

    This reminds me of so many stories, it's awesome. When I was first learning about this stuff, I'm a little bit of a mischievous guy. I don't know if you guys have noticed that, you probably have since listening to the things that I say and stuff like that.

    Mischievous is not the right word, I just don't think that a lot of rules matter, which I guess is probably the definition of mischievous.

    I remember there was this time when I was learning these things. I'm in the Army if you guys didn't know that. I had my uniform on, we had just finished something, and I was in college.

    We had just finished ... Anyways, I had kept my whole rucksack. If you don't know what a rucksack is it's like those huge backpacks you see soldiers wearing with all their stuff in it.

    It's not like you carry extra things in it, that thing is jam packed with only the essentials because that's the only thing that's going to be with you for several days. Five days, ten days, that's it.

    I'm really sorry if someone is listening to this and you get offended, but I don't really care, this is not the podcast for you if you get offended.

    Anyways, I don't know if this is trespassing or whatever, but there was a gym at the college I was going to, like a basketball gym. It's a stadium and there were these box seats and these box seats had windows on them but they were always unlocked.

    I would watch. I'd turn around and I'd act like I was on my phone.

    Just standing up there, put my phone up, I was just looking around. Then when no one was looking or the room was empty I would throw my stuff through the front window and I would jump through the window.

    <...

    SFR 17: Bend The Crap Out Of Rules (My Part-Montra) Nov 01, 2016
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    Hey my name is Steve Larsen and welcome to Sales Funnel Radio.

    Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio where you'll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business using today's best internet sales funnels. Now here's your host, Steve Larsen.

    All right guys, what's going on? I have story for you today. What's funny is that every time you start publishing anything, you're going to start getting a lot of questions, right?

    I published this podcast. I have 600 followers on Periscope and I think you can still look at it, actually, if you look at my YouTube channel and stuff. There's not that many videos but 40, I think. I show a lot of strategies that sometimes require a screen on the internet and things like that. It's interesting though.

    That's actually an aspect I was not expecting when I started...

    I just wanted to show people how to do some cool stuff with online marketing and it's kind of developed into this thing as people started asking.

    Anyways, I get probably one to two questions a day right now, which isn't a lot, but it's surprising me how many people that even is right there because sometimes their not small questions. They're like, "Hey, will you build my sales funnel for me?" And I'm like, "Sure. My fee is 10 grand, but yeah."

    Anyways, it's funny though what it does to your friends when you start publishing and when you actually try and make a personal brand. If any of you guys are thinking about this, just know this is about to happen.

    You're going to get some friends that are okay with and then other friends that are almost like, I don't know how to describe it.

    Almost like, they're not jealous because it's not like I'm ... I'm Steve Larsen from Littleton, Colorado. It's not like my name's on the news or anything. I just like to publish. I feel like I have things to say and I've got a sweet job, a sweet personal business, and I get asked a lot of questions anyways so I thought I might was well publish what people are asking and answer it.

    That's the basis of this podcast, right?

    Anyways, you'll get a divide, you'll see, of people who are openly supporting you and then some people just kind of fade away into the distance and they kind of get pissed off.

    I think a lot of it is because on what I'm publishing, like right here on Sales Funnel Radio or anywhere else, is intimidating to them meaning they don't want to do what I'm saying, even though what I'm saying, I know it works because I do it all day. I figured out a little bit ago, I'm spending about 12 hours a day building sales funnels right now. 12 hours a day! Oh my gosh, and doing things that are related to it. It's a lot of time.

    Anyways, I had a buddy who is texting me and he's like, "Hey man. Dude, I love what you're doing. I remember when you and I did that together a while." If you're listening to this right now, man, this is out of love, all right?

    This is medicine.

    He said, "I so wish that I could be doing what you are." I wanted to just like flick my computer, like, "You were doing it! We did do it together!" You can't get in that mentality. If you guys are listening to this and you're in that mentality of, "Oh I just so wish I could build sales funnels."

    Or, "I so wish I had a business."

    Or, "I so wish I could do my hobby and make money with it." You freaking can! My hands are literally up right now.

    Stop. That's one of my biggest pet peeves. Stop. I get up at 5:00 everyday and I don't want to hear it.

    That's how I built my business on the side of a full-time job is I get up early and it sucks sometimes. I mean, I'm crazy tired. I've been tired for five years so I have nothing to complain about.

    Nothing's new.

    I get up at 5 and I get ready for the day and then I live so close to our office that I just bike there. It's 1.6 miles away. The other was 4 and half miles aways. That was a longer bike ride. I bike to the office everyday which I know that might sound goofy. I sit at a computer all day long so why would I not try and move? I haven't lifted in a long time.

    All right, so I'm getting on side tangents. I have a lot of thoughts this morning. The point is you can and you need to be able to see yourself as an exception, right?

    A lot of people live. They want to live exceptionally, but they are very, very, very scared to do anything that's exceptional on the way.

    It's that path that leads up to being exceptional, to doing things that's amazing. I used to call myself the student of exceptions and I still do. The reason why is because when I was in college, I literally was the student of exceptions.

    I should not have been accepted to that college, my grades were so bad in high school, right? Then I got around and I learned how to learn and I got straight As, basically. I never got any Cs but I got very few Bs. I ended with a 3.8 with 170 credits.

    Now I went to BYU Idaho and they kick you out after 140 credits because the point of college is not to stay there forever. They want you to move on, so they put a credit limit on there.

    I had 170 credits. That's like 2 and half, 3 semesters more than I should have been there. Why? I don't do it because I think I'm better than people but I just want to ... There are certain things that I want and by merely asking for them I get them.

    That's why I work for Russell Brunson. You need to get out of the same ... Now there's this commercial. I can't remember what commercial was or what company it was for but he's in the exact same grooves every single day so his footprints are already in the ground, exactly where his feet are.

    In the grass, his footprint is worn away in the grass. Wherever he puts his hands everyday there's a sunken imprint. He's doing the same thing every single day and then one day he turns and he sees something new and it's their product or whatever, and he changes his path, changes his course. It's the exact same thing.

    I want to cure you guys of this.

    I'm not saying you need to, if you're listening to this, but if you want to know the cure, here it is. You got to go do things that are a little bit crazy to get you out of your comfort zone that require you asking for them.

    There's so many things that I have done in my life that is sweet because I've asked for them. When I went through basic training for the Army, the reason I was able to do so many cool, extra things in there that a lot of people were not able to do and they were getting smoked and doing push-ups and stuff like that, I did a lot of that too, but it's because I was asking for it.

    They'd be like, "Oh dude, if the drill sergeants, if they come to you, they're looking for volunteers, always say no." I was like, "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why would you do that? You guys are here to experience it.

    Experience it!

    Who cares if it's freaking hard. You have to get up a little bit early." It just pisses me off when people say that. "I have to get up early." All right, then you clearly are not ever going to do anything exceptional in your life. If s...


    SFR 16: My Entrepreneurial Bloodline… I think... (What's Yours?) Oct 26, 2016
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    How ya doin'? How ya doing? I got to say, "Good morning," because for me of course it's morning. Hey, we just got back from ... I just had this really cool thought. I wanted to tell you about it. We just got back from Utah actually. I've got some family there.

    I got family in Cache Valley, if you guys know where that is. It's a little bit in the middle of nowhere, but just completely gorgeous. I got an uncle there, and he's got some goats. My little two year old daughter just absolutely loves it. She calls that place, Uncle Goat. (laughs) She calls him, Uncle Goat.

    She's there feedin' the goats, and one of 'em was gettin' out, and about to charge her, and she's freakin' out. Anyways it's super-funny.

    We're out feedin' the goats, and later we went over to ... My grandma died when I was eight, and we went over to her grave, and I have a ton of family at that cemetery that she's in. (laughs). A lot of ancestors in that cemetery. There's one is particular that's just has been very inspiring to me.

    He's the man, and his name is Hans Larsen, and I wanted to tell you a story real quick. This is pretty intense. The guy grows up in Denmark, and he grows up, and he wanted to join a certain religious faith, because it's like 18 ... I don't know, 1880. Somewhere around there.

    I can't remember the exact year, but anyways his family says, "No," and kicks him out. He joins it, and he gets on this ship that's going between Europe ... England ... He travels over to England, gets on a ship in England, and he works on a ship that goes from England to the new continents in America back and forth.

    He works on that ship for a while, and when he has enough money, one day when they went to America they just ... He just got off, and he stayed there. He stayed over in the new colonies, and then he decided to join ... There's that ... I'm Mormon by the way ... He joined those pioneers that went west, and he walked from the East Coast to Utah.

    He went over there, and he walked ... That's a long ways. He walked that. I want to clarify that: he walked it in rain, snow, sun, and he ... The guy's an animal first of all. Total respect for what he did. He gets there and he's like, "Dang.

    There's all these other people who are comin'.

    They're going to need help," so he walked back.

    He walked all the way back to the East Coast, and then helped bring all those people back again.

    Then he did it ... He walked back, and forth seven times across those plains. Seven times. I mean, that's incredible.

    I think about the things that I complain about sometimes. I'm like, "Man. I'm a pansy if those are the things that I'm complainin' about."

    Hans Larsen, which I can't remember how many greats back that is, but he's my great-whatever grandpa Larsen, and he went back and forth seven times across the plains. Total workhorse. That's in my blood. I'm really proud of that.

    I was thinking about that, and he's one of the people that settle Mendon, Utah. He didn't want to be the governor for a long time, and they kept saying, "Come on. You should be the governor." He's like, "No, I don't want it." "Come on. Be the governor." "No, I don't want it."

    Finally they just voted him in, and he didn't want to be the governor, but he's the governor. He's just dealin' with these issues that he hated.

    I just ... Anyways, super-cool attitude, and obviously a go-getter to walk across seven times, and be the governor of a place he don't want to be a governor of. Anyways, just super-cool.

    On one part of the family I got that guy. Just awesome dude, and it says a lot about his wife too. Holy smokes.

    Which for back in that day, and age it wasn't as big of a deal, and it's still not a huge one, but ... He's like 15 years old, and his wife ... They died a couple of months apart though, which is actually cool.

    Anyways, the ... I got him on one side...

    Then still on the Larsen side ... My dad and I are talkin' and he's like, "You're obviously an extreme entrepreneur," and I was like, "Yeah." He goes ... He's like, "It's funny. Because if you look at sometimes parts of my family that entrepreneurial, and you are, and I am, and I broke away from everything, and my ...", anyways without going into too much, but (laughs) it's like ... He's like, "It's funny though, because if you look at our family history they're not ... We're not crazy entrepreneurial people when it comes to certain things."

    Like Hans Larsen, when he came over, he didn't want any kind of ... He didn't ... He just wanted to farm, and he wanted to help people get across the plains. That's it. I don't think he's necessarily an entrepreneur.

    Anyways my dad was like, "Do want to know where ...", because he's like, "I think sometimes things come through our blood, and things stay inside of us," and I got that itch. I just ... I'm antsy.

    I'm an antsy guy. I don't sleep a lot.

    My dad was like, "Apparently our family history legend has it that there was this guy. He was a traveling salesman way back in the day."

    Like ... I don't know when. Early 1900s, mid 1800s. Somewhere in that time period, that 50 year time period, there was a traveling salesman that came through, I think the Cache Valley area, and totally had an affair with on my side and then left.

    Ever since then all the little kids that spawned from that, the really little just go-getting entrepreneur guys. I don't think entrepreneurship is something you're born with, you learn it, but I do think some people are more apt to take it on.

    Anyways, so whoever that guy is ... If you were related to that guy please let me know. We're probably related, so now ... Anyways, I thought that was funny. The whole point is that this is a more serious episode for sure, but just remember where ya came from.

    That you're only where you are, because you've been standing on the shoulders of giants, you know what I mean? You really haven't done anything on your own, and no idea is really yours.

    This is just a coagulation of all these other ideas, and experiences you've been having from other people, all these other inputs that have created your cool output. Whatever your business is, or whatever you're trying to do. A little humble pie there.

    I was thinking about that just this last time that we had a family reunion with everybody, and I was like, "This is cool. It's good to be with everyone. I mean, this is awesome. At the same time I got to remember I'm still no one."

    (laughs) You know what I mean?

    Even when you're somebody, and you've made it, and you're successful, you're still technically no one. I mean you're going to die, and the only things you take are memories, and relationships, so ... Man, this is a serious episode. What the heck? Somehow that ties into Sales Funnels, and motivation, so figure out what that is for yourself.

    (laughs) All right, guys. I'll talk to ya later. Bye.

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    SFR 15: Interview - Jaime Smith reveals his FREE coding secrets in CF Pro Tools, exclusive for ClickFunnels users Oct 17, 2016
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    Steve:

    All right everyone. I've got a very special guest on with me today. I'm very excited for this actually. I've been looking forward to this interview for a long time. Guys I want to introduce to you Jaime Smith. He's done amazing things with the ClickFunnels community. Jaime thanks so much for joining. I want to talk a little bit about how you got your start. All the cool things you've done. First of all I want you to know, actually Russell and I were talking about you because you've done so many things for the ClickFunnels community. You remember that video, you may not, but I put a video out and I was like hey Russell and I we're looking for some help for some poor things and things like that and you reached out. We were going through this list of people. Over and over and over again I was like, Jaime's the man. Jaime would be the man, Jaime would be the man. The only reason why, I don't know ... He's so good. I think he'll get bored.

    Jaime:

    Ah. Well thanks man I appreciate that. I appreciate that, yeah.

    Steve:

    Yeah and Russell's saying, hey he's done so much for the ClickFunnels community himself. It's not like we're asking you to, it's not like we've done anything to do extra promotion for you or anything. It's like everyday I see a new thing that you've done for the ClickFunnels community, for all of us non coders and it just blows our minds. It's like black magic to me man. I have no idea how you do what you do.

    Jaime:

    Yeah well lots of years of kind of doing some intense stuff. Honestly my background is as a senior web app developer. I've been working since 2000. Started out, my first project was actually an enterprise level project with Eli Lilly. I've always been the cowboy coder writing enterprise level applications. Always web based. I've done desktop software and stuff like that but that's not as much fun for me. After doing enough of those things you learn how the back ends work. I'm able to take some of that experience and see how the front end works, and get into the ClickFunnels admin area and see okay, I can kind of tell from the URLs and the functions that are available how the backend pieces are pulled together.

    That allows me to say, okay well if the backend works this way, then if I add this to the front end, then the backend should support it. Just having that visibility into both sides of how things work makes it easy for me to go in and know that if I can customize the front end a little bit it'll work with the backend. Also just being able to inspect the code that's being spit out by the ClickFunnels tools on the front end, and add some java script into them that just adds a little functionality or a little style or whatever. It just kinda comes easy so I figure, hey if I can throw some of that stuff out and help people out then that's, I would love somebody to be able to come in and help with all the things that I am not the greatest at.

    Steve:

    Yeah. I cannot even imagine what those topics could be because I mean, you've been in the ClickFunnels community for a long time and I have also. I got in right after beta. I was building stuff and it was fantastic, my buddy and I are making money together. All of a sudden I started seeing, whose Jaime Smith? You keep putting things like, hey anyone want some cool CSS that's going to make, yada yada yada. I was like, holy crap I don't know how to do that. Yeah. Then like the next day it'd be like, hey someone else want some java script I wrote that's going to make you're whole funnel act like an e-commerce store. I was like, what? Oh my gosh. It was like over, and over, and over again. I got to tell you, that's one of my biggest regrets. I went to college for, I finished with a marketing degree but before that I was actually a CIT computer degree. I remember I went through one semester, I was sitting in one of my coding classes. Maybe it was the teacher, but I cannot blame it on that with a clear conscience. I don't know what it was but sitting and coding, I remember getting out of there and going, I'm never going to sit in front of a computer all day.

    Jaime:

    Yeah, and now you're doing it.

    Steve:

    It's the one thing that I wish I had learned, was how to actually program. My dad was an executive at IBM. He and I, we ran like a 120 port network inside of our house that we built together, running through the walls. We did so much stuff together and it was awesome. I just have never learned the guts of it. I'm totally jealous of your skills man, it's fantastic.

    Jaime:

    Yeah, well. Yeah it's a blessing and a curse sometimes because I see some of these questions come up like, hey can I do this? Then it's like that itch that you just have to scratch. Okay I'm not going to rest until I figure out how to do this thing. It's a lot of fun. I think, my background's kind of weird. I don't know what it is. I feel, I was talking with somebody actually I was just out in Boise here last week for an event there with Russell. The Ignite Inner Circle Program. That was great. While I was there I was talking to somebody and just talking about my background. I just felt like, what I said was I feel like my biggest blessing, and I hate to say my genius because I'm not trying to brag by any stretch of the imagination-

    Steve:

    Go for it. We'd love to hear it.

    Jaime:

    I feel like my biggest area of genius is my ability to extrapolate and apply a concept I've learned in one area to a completely different area. I started when I was young doing mechanical stuff. My family actually owned a hardware store and my dad did a lot of installations, hot water heaters, central air units, and stuff like that. 10 years old I'm installing furnaces, and air conditioning units, and hot water heaters, and running electricity, and doing all this mechanical stuff. Not really any training it was just, hey your dad needs a hand so I'll just watch what he does, he'll tell me what to do, and I'll go do it. I kind of took that and then when I graduated high school I actually went into the army and I was a helicopter mechanic for 4 years. I was able to take some of those mechanical skills and apply it and look at the engineering of things. I always felt like I could tear stuff down and reverse engineer how it worked. Then I've been able to take some of that reverse engineering skill and apply it to technology. That's what programming has been for me. Honestly I've only had a few actual college level classes in programming. Most everything is all self taught.

    Steve:

    You're kidding me?

    Jaime:

    No.

    Steve:

    Oh my gosh.

    Jaime:

    Over 16 years of reverse engineering other stuff that's already working or going in and saying, it's always kind of been on the job. Hey, you need to learn this. Okay great let me go get a reference manual and I'll figure it out. I've just been really blessed to be thrown into just a bunch of different projects in different languages, and different platforms, and used in different frameworks and technologies. Being able to say okay, these things all kind of have similar ways of doing things. If I can take the concept from one and apply it into another then it's going to get me to a solution that much faster-

    Steve:

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    "HeySteve!" Show 2 : Aaron Jordan Asks How I Got 53,000 People To An Internet Sales Funnel In 2 Days… Oct 08, 2016
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    All right. All right.

    This is actually one of the "HeySteve!" segments.

    I should maybe get like a different intro or something like that, so it's not the same "Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio", you know. I paid some guy like, I don't know, like ten bucks on Fiverr to do that. I mixed it and everything. He just did the voiceover.

    Anyway, this question comes from Aaron Jordan, so I'm just going to put it in here.

    "Hey, Stephen. What's up, man? This is Aaron Jordan. First, I just want to start by saying I love your MLM Funnel. It's excellent. It's everything as good as you said it was. I just wanted to ask a quick question. I wanted to know what was the name of the company that you used to send out the million SoloAd emails. All right? This way I could do some test marketing. Talk to you later."

    Hey, man. That's a good question. Aaron, thanks so much for chiming in and thanks for talking about the MLM Funnel, too.

    That thing is selling like hot cakes.

    I'm loving that thing and so is everyone else. It's awesome when you make a product and ... I kind of just made it as a hobby project and then I kind of forgot about it. I was in the middle of college and it was just a fun thing. It turns out it was actually really good.

    Hey, so for the SoloAds and if you guys are listening and you don't know what SoloAds are, a SoloAd is ... Let's take this scenario.

    Let's say that I have a huge following of people. Right? I have lots of emails on my list, tens of thousands, a thousand, five hundred. It could even be two hundred people on an email list.

    You can sell with what's called SoloAd. Now it's illegal for me to give you the contact information of that person but what you can do is you could pay me to put an ad out to my list.

    That way, you still get your message out and I follow the law by not giving you all my emails because you don't have permission to take someone else's contact. They didn't opt into you. Right? That's called a SoloAd. You're sending one ad by itself, solo, you know, to an email list.

    Typically, it's to an email list. Usually, in the Internet marketing world, when you say SoloAd, it just means the email, usually not to followings, but you can do the other following, the different mediums.

    It's funny I actually just mentioned it. I actually use the company called Fiverr and Fiverr is a place ... There's some caveats with Fiverr. Fiverr is like a ... You can go pay people five dollars to go to crazy stuff. I've had people beatbox my name. I've had people beatbox ... I like the rap ones. I think they're funny.

    This dude rapped "Happy Mother's Day" to my mom on this video. It's really sweet. It was like five bucks. You can do lots of Internet marketing stuff, also, so pay somebody to do SEO for you. You can buy back links there. It's a little bit more of what we call grayhat in Internet marketing, meaning it can be like dirty traffic.

    Sometimes search engines like Google or YouTube or Facebook or whatever can tell that you're buying likes or they can tell that you're ... Like I've gotten ten thousand likes to a video on YouTube in twelve hours. Most of them weren't real, though. It was just to test it, just for fun and then it ended up blowing up because people created a perception.

    YouTube saw that and they took off the likes, so I lost some money on that but that's okay.

    The only reason I'm telling you that is because it's a caveat. It's a warning for what actually happens when it comes to SoloAds on Fiverr, also. SoloAds are great but you need to know that from Fiverr, they are kind of like the trash traffic. Do you know what I mean?

    Not always, maybe there's a couple that are really good. I know what you're talking about. In one of the videos I was talking about, in that five-day free course that comes with the ... You can white label for yourself with the online funnel. I sent a hundred and seventeen million emails in forty-eight hours.

    Here's why it's trash traffic. We got fifty-three thousand people to visit our site in two days. It was fifty-two thousand, four hundred eighty-eight or something like that. A hundred and seventeen million emails go out and only fifty-three thousand of the hundred and seventeen million actually showed up. That's why it's trash traffic because it's kind of garbage.

    I buy SoloAds from a whole bunch of people at the same time just because I don't know. Some of them might be crap. From that fifty-three thousand, only a hundred bought and got on our pre-buy list. Now we only paid a hundred dollars for that so we got a hundred people to sign up for a hundred dollars, basically. Fifty-three thousand people jumped on.

    I could retarget those people. If you don't know what retargeting is, you can just look it up. It's meaning I follow you around on the Internet with my ad and it looks like I've been there all along. It kind of can pull people back into your funnel. Retargeting is like remarketing to people who have already seen you stuff so you don't lose them. That's basically how it works.

    I would go to Fiverr and I would look up a guy name Travis Sago and I would use his email format, mixed with Russell Brunson's email format. He writes what I call short style. Keep it a very brief email.

    Most of them don't let you add images anyway. It's going to be plain text. Say in there like, "Hey, look!" Use a really catchy headline or subject line, something that is just loaded with curiosity. The whole point of the email is to not answer any questions. It's to keep curiosity on the line. If you look at a lot of commercials or movie previews.

    A lot of times, they do not tell you what the movie is about or they don't tell you what the product actually is. All they do is tell you what it's not. That's kind of what you want to do in a SoloAd. "I'm doing x, y and z without this, this and this." Do you know what I mean? "I gained a six pack without doing any situps." Or "How to gain a six pack without doing any situps." That might be a pretty catchy headline for a SoloAd for someone who has a following in the workout space, obviously. Right?

    You might open up the email and say something like "I don't have to do any situps. Actually, I'm still eating carbs. I actually love eating hamburgers. That's my go-to meal every single lunch every single day. Click here to find out more."

    You didn't tell them what it actually is. You just told them what it's not and I've found that that actually really works quite well to drive people in. Now one caveat with this also is that you should probably set up your own tracking.

    If you go to salesfunnelbroker.com/resources, I think I have a ... I'm going to fill it in for you. She says no, but I think there might be a free trial with a company called ClickMeter, if you use that link on that page.

    ClickMeter is cool because through that link, they'll give you a thousand tracks every single month for free. What's kind of cool is I'll use them and I'll take whatever link I want them to go to, so if it's a landing page and it's a produc...


    SFR 13: ...How I'm Prone To Hinder My Own Progress ...in EVERYTHING! (you too) Oct 06, 2016
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    Screw this ONE THING up, and you'll cripple any chance of living like a rockstar in every way...

    Oh man.

    It's funny because when I listen to other people's podcasts, sometimes they're really boring.

    I'd rather throw in a little weird foils here and there and actually be entertained myself.

    Anyways.

    I've had quite a few people reach out to me lately. Honestly on average, about one person a day. One new person per day, sometimes two, reaches out to me and they say, "Hey. I've got this sales funnel," or "Hey. I've got this business idea," or "Hey. I've got something I want to put into the marketplace and try and get money for it."

    One of the first questions I always ask is, what's your plan? What's your, we call it a value ladder, leading from one product to the next. You just increase value and increase price as you go. What's your offer structure?

    I was telling them, remember that the offer is not the same thing as the product. What's the offer?

    You don't sell a pile of rocks.

    You sell a rock bed next to a sidewalk with bushes in it, next to a rock wall where people are going to admire you as they walk by.

    You sell the experience.

    It's all about an offer.

    I've had quite a few people recently who've been approaching, and I've noticed this trend that I don't know if they're trying to impress me. I don't know if they're trying, it's possible I guess.

    They'll say, "Hey. I'm going to go make an e-book, and I'm going to do this and write an actual book, a physical book. I'm going to get it in the stores. I'm going to do this, this, this, this, this, this, this." It's like they start beating their chest a little bit. "I'm the man." They go, and I don't know what it is. I can understand that I guess. I wake up and I'm excited.

    It's not even seven o'clock yet, and I am recording a podcast. Yeah, I call it world domination. I want to take over the world also.

    The trend that I've been seeing is that a lot of people will compare themselves to an ideal. I've been listening to Dan Sullivan. If you ever listen to his book or his presentation, "Pure Genius," it's very good.

    In there he said something, and I was like, oh my gosh, that's so true. He said, "Part of the part of the problem is that we'll get to this spot in our lives, and we've been planning forever to get there.

    Say like, well I don't know, we're just going to say a trip. Let's say you're planning on going on a trip. It's a big one. Let's say you're going to go overseas somewhere. You're planning the trip. You're thinking about it and the months are coming. The months are leading up to it.

    You're planning out the, I don't know, the meals, places you want to go, people you want to see, the different events you want to attend. You're starting to imagine as you get on the plane what it'll look like.

    If you're going to Hawaii, what it'll smell like, what's the experience going to be like. Then you get there, and you're like, "Oh this is awesome."

    While you're in the middle of experience, you start planning your next trip. You start saying things like, "Oh man. What would it be like instead of going to Hawaii, what if we went to Spain?"

    You start planning in the middle of your trip, Spain. You start going, "Oh, what's it going to be like? What is it going to smell like? Who am I going to talk to?

    What events am I going to attend?" You get home, and you immediately get on plan and go to Spain. When you get to Spain, it's like, "Oh this is awesome," for the first day.

    Then you turn around, and you're like, "Oh. Let's go visit Germany." In the middle of Spain, you actually get on a plane and just fly to Germany. That's what it's like when I'm talking to a lot of people about their business.

    Like, "I'm going for this, and going for this, and going for this." Like wow, that's really cool, but you're not actually focusing on anything.

    You're not actually going to win at this. You understand. To a degree, especially at the beginning when you're just trying to get a product out there that actually converts, you have to be a little bit of a monomaniac.

    A lot of people won't do that.

    I keep trying to explain to some people, you have got to simplify. Probably the number one thing I've learned working for Mr. Russell Brunson, is that, that's my day job and I absolutely love it, but probably the number one thing I've learned from him is that the man simplifies like crazy, and then just executes. It's insane.

    We do not get caught up in the details when he and I build a funnel together. I sit next to him all day, every day. He's like, "We're going to go do this." Cool. Then we figure out the details as we go, but it is our only focus until we get it done and it's converting and making money.

    Does that make sense?

    Because I get these people, and a lot of people that do that. I realize when I was listening to Dan Sullivan's program, he said something in there that was very fascinating to me.

    He said, "A lot of times people have," I'm not going to say it exactly or whatever, but the major point was, sometimes a lot of us will just go compare ourselves to an ideal rather than what has actually happened.

    Does that make sense?

    Here's a scenario, excuse me. Let's say you really want to lose some weight. Let's take someone who's really, really overweight.

    They go and they lose like fifty pounds in three months, which is amazing. That's fantastic and almost like borderline healthy. That's a lot of fat loss or weight loss. They get there and they've lost this weight. They get on the scale. They feel fantastic. It's a lot of fun for them.

    They're feeling great, but then someone who's really, really, really in shape.

    Let's say it's an Olympian, walks in front of them and just keeps going. The guy notices, and says, "Oh, but I don't look like that." They get really depressed.

    They bring themselves down. "Oh crap. I can't handle what's happening in front of me right now. I might as well not even try for this. I'm never going to look like that."

    That's what Dan Sullivan was saying. He didn't say that example, but he's like, "Look, what happens is that we'll go from our current state to a better current state, and rather than comparing to our own selves where we came from, we'll compare to this ideal."

    Every time you compare to an ideal, you will always end up not happy. You'll always end up getting depressed.

    You'll always shrink back. It'll take away your steam from wanting to move forward.

    I was thinking about that in terms of a lot of businesses that I've done, especially when I was in college and I was just getting into this game.

    About four years ago is when I really started doing this stuff. I have to say, I totally have done that. I think we all have. We'll go through, and especially when you see these other internet tycoons, and you're watching their stuff online or just other business people in general.

    You go through, and you've got your thing. It's starting to work, and you're excited about it. You've got this inner fire, this drive to go produce it and make it cool.

    Then, all of a sudden, someone will walk in front of you and go, "Yeah, but you're not making 100 million a mont...


    SFR 12: Interview - Jen Goodwin Gives The Goods On Her Secret Virtual Assistant Empire Sep 27, 2016
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    STEVE:
    Welcome, everyone. Today I have a very special guest. I'm very excited. I actually have only met her only two weeks ago. It was pretty cool actually. I felt an immediate connection. Anyway, this is Jennifer Goodwin.
    How you doing?

    JEN:
    Good. How are you?

    STEVE:
    Fantastic. I'm doing really, really well. I was scrolling through Facebook, it was about two weeks ago, and ... I don't know if I've told you this yet, but I was scrolling through Facebook, and I saw an ad that you had out. It was ad for vets. I can't remember exactly what the ad was saying, but it said something like, "Hey, here is a way for vets to launch their businesses online." I immediately was like, "Whoa, this is so cool. Someone's going for this market?" I didn't know anyone who's been going for that. It's such a needed thing, being in the military myself. How did you even get into that?

    JEN:
    Absolutely. I grew up very patriotic. I didn't realize until this year that the veterans were my ideal client. How it happened was, I was always trying to help veterans that were, military guys and gals that needed help with the internet marketing and getting themselves to the next level. Most recently, I was volunteering at a local homeless veteran shelter where some guys and gals were in transition. I said ...

    Well, a little back story. Three years ago I was on a motorcycle, my first ride, and I was life-flighted off the highway.

    STEVE:
    Oh, my gosh. Three years ago?

    JEN:
    Three years ago. Twenty-five, 30 minutes into my first ride with a friend on Highway 95. We were set at 70 miles per hour. Road debris came out of everywhere. An 18-wheeler had blown his tire, and we couldn't avoid one of the pieces. It flattened the back tire. Needless to say, I took a nice, pricey helicopter ride to the trauma center, so I actually lost my business.

    I was down for a lot of time. Financially, physically, emotionally, I had to go through that trauma. I had a lot of time to think through in recovery, and I made a few decisions about my business when I got back to it, which I really just got back to it full-time this past January. I decided that I was going to partner with the right people and never sit on my ideas and make sure that I was launching all the things that I had written down in a book and that were collecting dust.

    One of the other pieces was that I was going to give back. Even though I was sort of starting over, I knew what I was doing. I had 15 years in the business. I was relaunching, but I still wanted volunteering and giving back to be part of that.
    I was literally driving to a veteran center in Jacksonville, Florida and just camping out in the chow hall every Thursday and saying, "Whatever you have, just bring it to me. Just bring me your website needs. Bring me your resume needs. You got a new computer and you need to know how to run it? Just bring it to me." Even some of the staff there who weren't veterans would say, "Hey, I'm going for this other job interview," and so I just made myself available every Thursday. It didn't feel like work.

    Then fast forward a couple months. A friend of mine that's pretty well-known in the veteran space, he's on the History Channel and got quite a following on social media, said, "I've got four veterans that need, like, yesterday." Just working through those clients, it just didn't feel like work. It just felt so easy, because they're so loyal. They're so grateful. Usually what they're inventing, we're writing about, is something I believe in, so I re-branded my business to be all about serving veterans.

    STEVE:
    That's incredible. I love that. I've noticed that a lot of the people that I interview, they never ask permission to go do something like that. You just showed up. You just sit down and every Thursday ... How long did you do that before you went to that re-brand?

    JEN:
    I only did that for a couple months, because I actually ended up moving out of the area and haven't found a new local shelter to go help with. Let me see. I believe I started ... January, February, March. Probably about two and a half months into that I re-branded. I was also talking with some coaches. Actually, one of the coaches I was speaking with, a female coach, she was a veteran ... or she is a veteran. She said, "Jen, I got my start helping my fellow Army soldiers, starting their businesses when they got out." I said, "This is my ideal client, the more I think about it." I said, "Is it that easy?" She said, "Yeah."

    Literally, within 24 hours ... I couldn't even wait to re-brand everything. I went to the team and to the social media images, and I started changing it all up. The first batch was a little bit rough and amateur. I just wanted to get camouflage in there.

    STEVE:
    Yeah. Yeah.

    JEN:
    That's probably one of the ones you saw or maybe one of the newer ones. Yeah, it was pretty quick.

    STEVE:
    Yeah. That's incredible. It's interesting that that's the way it worked out. I remember when I went through basic ... I'm obviously business-minded. I really enjoy it. It's my obsession a little bit. I was going through basic training, and it's hard at certain points. One of the things that kept me going mentally and emotionally was talking about business ideas with all these other guys. I ended up having it, and all these guys that would sit around, and we would just talk about some different strategies. To this day, I still talk to some of them, and they're trying to do business stuff. It's definitely clearly an awesome market. A lot of them are go-getters. Anyways, that's super cool. That's fantastic.

    JEN:
    Yep.

    STEVE:
    One of the things I've noticed too, though, is that immediately ... You were doing the same thing with me. I was blown away with that, "Hey, do you need help with this? Do you have VAs for this? I have teams for this." You are an absolute master with VAs. How did you get that way?

    JEN:
    Thank you for saying that. I love helping people. They ask me, what's my agenda sometimes, very few, but I say, "I just like getting a break from the paying clients, who are so demanding." It's like a break to just pull away and just go help people for free with no expectations, so thank you for that.
    I have been an entrepreneur my whole life. My father was an entrepreneur, made some money in the door and window business. Very early on ... Well, not too early. I guess my late 20's, because I went and got an architectural degree, a drafting degree, from 26 to 28, but as soon as I came out of that, I worked for someone else for six months, and that was it. I had worked for people previously, from 16 to 28, but I knew at that moment I did not want to work for somebody else, and I couldn't work for somebody else. It just felt like my soul was in jail.

    STEVE:
    Yeah. I like that.

    JEN:
    I left the corporate world, and I was working for an engineering company, and I co-advertised. I didn't even think you could do this, but I rented an exhibitor space at the kitchen and bath show in Orlando, Florida, way back when, and shared it with one of my competitors. I was turning away 95% of my lead. I was so lucky, because what I was providing was CAD drawings and artist renderings to interior designers and kitchen designers. They didn't have anybody that was serving them...


    SFR 11: In Your Profession, The "Real Enemy" Might Surprise You… Sep 27, 2016
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    All right, all right, all right.

    Today I've got a sweet story for you guys.

    I was, so it's Monday right, and I was coming out of church and yesterday I was in church and this guy and I just got in this conversation. I've seen him before. I've haven't really talked to him that much though.

    Great guy. I was sitting there and actually we were walking out and our little kids were running around screaming like crazy right and he goes, "You're in the Army right?" I said, "Yes".

    He goes, "I don't know if I should publicly say that but I just did so." He goes, "Man, like is that cool and stuff?" I was like, "Just like anything there's pros and cons you know. There's really fun times and there's really boring times." He goes, "You do marketing stuff right?"

    I said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." He goes, "So what do you do?" I start telling him. I go, "Hey, I build sales funnels and I do this and this and this." He was like, "This is really really interesting."

    I could tell like something was bothering him. He looked over and I asked, him, "What do you do for work? You do like supply chain management stuff?" He was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."

    I was like, "I almost did that in college but like you guys are crazy smart. Like you guys have so much" ... I remember my supply chain classes that I took being up all night making these ridiculously huge Excel models. They were cool but man it was rough. It was super super rough to do that stuff. My brain ... I wasn't cut out for it. I got bored really quick.

    He goes, "That's just the thing man. Like I'm so, I don't know, I can't say what it is." I was like, "Are you just really really bored?"

    He goes, "Yeah". He goes, "I'm so bored. I hate my job. I hate what I do. I don't ..."

    He got animated. It was the first time I'd seen him kind of open up. He and I have spoken before but you know small talk. We're not really friends or whatever. It's not that we're not but we just haven't done anything.

    Anyways he starts opening up to me. He's telling me how bored he is with his life. He said, "The only think that I like about my job is the fact that it provides for my family. I like that. I hate going to work though. I hate doing what I do."

    He looked at me and goes, "You are so lucky." I felt like, I mean I didn't know how to react to that because yes, I am.

    He was like, "You wake up every single day and you're excited to go to work." I was like freaking yes man. It's not even seven o'clock in the morning right now and I'm all ready at the office.

    I get up early to just crush it because you guys know that I have a normal job on the side so I do this in the mornings and I build sales funnels in weird times of the day so that I can keep moving towards my dreams and make extra money and it works. I make a lot of extra money with this. He looks at me and he's like, "You're so lucky man."

    He's like, "And you're in the Army. How's that? Is that super fun?" It's just like, it's exactly what I said before man, it's like, there's really good times and there's really boring times.

    Anyways, there's a book by Tim Ferriss. I'm sure you guys have all heard it, The 4-Hour Workweek. In that book, the first time I read it, I thought this was kind of a weird comment that Tim Ferriss said in there and Tim Ferriss, I remember he said, "The real thing that we're fighting in this life is boredom." I thought, I don't know if I really agree with that. I don't know. I wish I could remember the rest of the quote. I should have looked it up before I started recording.

    He said, "The real thing we're fighting in this life is boredom. We should do things because it excites us and that's the only reason."

    I started thinking about why I am where I am and that actually is one hundred percent spot on true that I started learning how to drive traffic because I thought it was really freaking cool and I could send traffic over to tons of different sites and make money.

    I remember the first time that I made money online. I went to sleep. My buddy and I was working on stuff and I had just convinced my internet marketing teacher to not let me, I said, "Hey, please don't let me come back, I don't want to go back to class. I've all ready been studying this stuff for awhile. You guys are talking about the basics and it's killing me."

    I said, "No offense but can I go do this instead right?" I drew up a plan and it was just a sales funnel. I had an opt in page, an order from, there was an up sale and something else. It was for affiliate products right? I said, "This is what I want to go build and I wasn't to do this instead of your class."

    I can't believe he let me do it but I thank God every day that he said yes because he very well could have just changed my life right there, which he probably did because it worked. I went out and I built it and I remember that night I was like, "Gosh, I hope this work."

    I sent traffic to it. I spent fifty bucks which to me was a huge amount of money. Fifty dollars in traffic and I went to sleep and I woke up the next day and immediately pulled up my computer and I was looking at it.

    I was like, "Holy Crap!" There was fifty dollars back in my account. I broke even. There were seventeen people who had seen it and had opted in but didn't purchase so I gained seventeen contacts and fifty dollars.

    I was like, "This is crazy. Oh my gosh." I was a little bit disheartened because I didn't make money right? All I got was contacts. I didn't understand how cool it was and what I had just pulled off the very first time that I had tried it.

    We call that a self-liquidating offer. I had made no money but had gained customers, so my cost to acquire a customer was zero which to any VC firm or whatever, is nuts.

    I went through and I could re-market to those people and I could make more money with them. Anyways, I was going nuts. I got super excited and I started going and driving traffic for Paul Mitchell that was local there and got introduced to eight more Paul Mitchell's through California.

    My buddy and I started building websites for some of their upcoming celebrities who were being on TV. I did it because it was exciting. I was fighting boredom and my brain works at a billion miles an hour.

    You guys can probably hear it.

    Sometimes I talk super fast but I just, I was fighting boredom. That's what you should do. Go fight boredom. That's the real enemy is boredom.

    Gosh, I hate going to ... The reason I love my job so much, my normal job, is because it's different every day. I do a different thing every single day. It's the reason I chose marketing.

    I remember I was talking to a professor and a teacher. I know I talk about college a lot but there were some things I really liked about college and things I hated and I'm not necessarily that old.

    I'm only twenty-eight. For me college was not that long ago and so there's always lessons I still did learn from college. I'm glad I went and I'm glad I did it.

    There was a teacher that I sat down with and I was like, "Look, I don't know what I want to do. I can see myself being in finance. My brain can handle that stuff a little bit. I can see myself being in supply chain. That stuff's really interesting to me too.

    Marketing is interesting but it seems like the one that I would actually like the least." I can't believe I said that, which is very funny. He's like, "You're built for marketing." I said, "What? Aren't they like a dime a dozen?" He said, "Well yes, but you don't need to be."

    I was like, "There's no tangibl...


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