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You Can Crack the 21st Century Career Code #068 Mar 05, 2018

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Marcia Lareau's career has included five career changes, including college music professor, software QA analyst, project manager, learning technologist, and corporate trainer. Throughout, she studied employee selection, integration, and evaluation. Her research on hiring practices includes up-to-date trends throughout U.S. industries. After three lay-off experiences, Marcia started Forward Motion with a mission to increase job seeker success, reduce time-to-employment, teach principles of career management. Marcia holds a bachelor's degree from Iowa State University, A Master's degree from Northwestern University, and a Ph.d. from Ohio State University. After graduating in business at university, Neil Patrick initially worked for Wilkinson Sword. He then joined Standard Chartered Bank, where he spent the next ten years. From international corporations, Neil just moved to the world of startups. In 1997, he was head-hunted to be marketing director for a U.S. financial business expanding into the UK, FirstPlus from Dallas Texas. The U.S. parent went into Chapter 11 in 1998 but Neil and his Co-Directors saved the company by selling it to Woolwich Building Society, which, within two years, was itself bought by Barclays Bank. By 2005, the picture had become like Groundhog Day. Neil agreed to leave and become a sleeping partner in the firm. He desired a fresh challenge although he had no idea what this would be. This was the start of the third phase of his career. This coincided with the social media revolution. Neil looked at how businesses were using social media, and thought, more often than not, making a mess of it. One of the first things he did was set up a blog, 40PlusCareerGuru. This blog now has over a half-a-million hits. His online profile brought him into contact with small business owners all over the world. These new relationships formed were the basis of his diverse client base. This is how he and Marcia met and led to joining forces to write the book, Careermageddon: Cracking the 21st Century Career Code. Neil lives in a forest in Wales, which is no sensible place for a marketing consultant to live, but the internet pretty much solves that problem. Key Takeaways: [:44] Marc welcomes you to the episode and invites you to share this episode with like-minded souls. Please subscribe wherever you listen to this podcast, share it on social media, and tell your neighbors and colleagues. [1:13] Marc gives an overview of the podcast series. The first in the series is an interview with an expert. In this episode, Marc interviews Marcia LaReau and Neil Patrick, co-authors of Careermageddon: Cracking the 21st Century Career Code.[1:31] Next will be a special interview with Kelsey and Matt Moore, owners of Coolworks, the Mecca of seasonal jobs at places like the U.S. National Park Service and other cool places. Marc is working on interviews with travel bloggers and other exciting guests. If you know any who have repurposed their career, please tell Marc. [2:03] March episodes may vary a bit, as Marc and his wife leave for Mexico on March 14, for four weeks as they are exploring the possibilities and working on all of the uncertainties. Marc will record four episodes in Ajijic, Mexico. [2:29] The third in the series is a topic Marc chooses. The last in the series is a Q&A episode. [2:34] Marc reads the bios for Marcia LaReau and Neil Patrick. [5:23] Marc welcomes Neil Patrick and Marcia LaReau. Neil spent 15 years in large corporates, then became director of a financial firm that wants to come into Europe, beginning his involvement with business startups. He finally recognized he wanted to work for himself, which he has done for the last 10 years. [6:30] Marcia is a career bouncer. She started as a professor of music, orchestra conductor and composer. That industry has 'closed down." and Marcia had to find a new role. She moved into corporate training, which she calls 'rehearsal.' She promoted herself as a project manager based on her experience managing concerts. [7:18] Marcia found a job as a project manager in the corporate world. Every few years she got laid off, and after a while she got tired of it. In a period of so many layoffs, executives she had worked with came to her asking for help finding a good job. So, she started Forward Motion, 11 years ago. [7:44] Marcia says, like Neil, she is grateful for all the places she has been and all the people that have helped her learn. [7:52] Neil and Marcia started thinking about writing a book together based on the quickening pace of change in the world and the lack of mainstream information about managing careers in a changing environment. [8:43] Neil notes two groups who are affected by changed conditions: Millennials and Boomers. Boomers, due to losses in 2008, are looking to work longer than expected. [9:11] People between the Boomers and the Millennials are also looking at changes due to the shifting nature of employment contracts and the move to the gig economy. [9:30] Neil says the book is for everybody who really wants to try and sustain a career and income in a world that is changing incredibly quickly. [9:52] Marcia explains her reason for writing the book. Her background was in the nonprofit musical performance arts. In 2001, the reinsurance industry died, and with it, support for arts programs. She also recognized that Millennials have low wages, on average. As they will own the workforce for decades, what happens to the tax base? [10:47] Knowing she couldn't get to everybody as a consultant to help them plan ahead and even sustain the U.S. economy, she went to writing a book about it. She felt the urgency of helping all demographics prepare for a changing future of limited options. [11:44] The book is not just to help people today, but to be evergreen, to show how to manage the change, and adapt that change to have continual revenue. [12:12] Unemployment numbers hide some facts. Some people have three jobs and still can't make ends meet. Unemployment is down, but so is household income. The book teaches how to understand the revenue stream. Many people are not included in the official 4.1% unemployment figure. [13:37] In Austin, TX, where the advertised unemployment rate is under 4%, the unemployment rate for over age 50 is actually over 12%. The Atlantic rated Austin as one of the worst places to be old and unemployed. [14:00] Neil notes that the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics is much more transparent than the data controlled by the UK Office for National Statistics. In the UK, everyone self-employed is considered employed, even with little or no real income. Levels of income growth in the UK and in the U.S. are incredibly sluggish. [15:51] Marcia comments on zero-hour contracts. She has a friend who will work from 14 hours in a week to zero hours in a week, and she is counted as employed. This skews the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. [16:25] Marc talks about Austin's very bifurcated job market, with a lot of low-end service jobs, and high-end jobs, but not a lot in-between. [16:53] Automation technology and Artificial Intelligence are eliminating some jobs and generating others. Some people are not aware of skills they have that are applicable. People have to adapt and manage their skill sets and their networks to access the jobs that are and will be available. That is part of the reason for the book. [18:04] Marcia cites a study that says three out of four jobs today are at risk, in the U.S., from technology that already exists. That doesn't mean there aren't other jobs coming through. [18:20] Neil talks about the gig economy, or the fluid workforce. This is a transition from permanent employment to a large number of relatively short-term engagements. How do people sustain a decent living? Not as an Uber driver. One trend is intermediation, with a middleman between the employer and the worker. It is brokering of work. [20:10] One of the essential things is for people to figure out how they can engage in the fluid workforce but keep the middleman out so they can negotiate terms and prices and choose what to do and what not to do. [20:40] The future of jobs is people are going to have to be managers of their own careers and gigs even if they are employed. People are changing jobs every 2.5 to 3.5 years. Above 55 the time at a job is even shorter. [22:13] Firms used to sustain a domestic workforce. That is rarely true today, as far as manufacturing is concerned. [23:19] Boomers grew up believing they would stay at a company for their career. Job requirements change so quickly that a five-year plan doesn't work. People are responsible to update their own skills for the workforce of the future. [24:19] The company is no longer responsible for your career. Be on the lookout for ways to develop. Keep yourself trained and skilled. It is at your cost to become trained in skills that will not immediately become obsolete. [25:12] The six engines of change show which jobs are coming up and which are going away. The first three are choices firms are making: globalization/offshoring, technology, and disruptive business models. The second set are changes outside the firms: educational/institutional change, aging demographics, and financial and fiscal policy. [26:23] Some offshoring is returning to domestic production in both the U.S. and the UK. Some globalization occurs from companies outside the U.S. starting project management groups in the U.S. to help bridge gaps for clients they have in the U.S. [27:06] At any job you have, make good friends with someone in the IT unit to understand what projects are coming, and what kinds of opportunities will come with them. [28:16] Disruptive business models replace job-heavy business sectors with job-light organizations. This feeds the shift to the fluid workforce. For example, Uber has completely disrupted the taxi industry but employs just 12,000 globally. Marc notes that Uber, Lyft, and Airbnb are platform companies, not employers. [30:01] The sooner people stop thinking of themselves as employees, and start thinking about earning a living, the more successful they will be. Marcia finds in her focus groups and Millennial clients that they still want a secure job, not a flexible gig. [30:51] Some disruption comes from startups replacing other startups. Company A learned to grow your skin in the lab, over three weeks, to graft onto your burns. Company B learned to grow to grow your T-cells that could be sprayed onto your third-degree burns and replace your skin in three days. Company A becomes obsolete. [32:00] Marc talks about uncertainty that causes lots of stress. Most of us want to know what's coming. It took Marc 18 months to stop worrying about a paycheck when he started his own business. [33:25] Millennials were taught they would have a career or job waiting after college. That has disintegrated. They are angry and disenfranchised. Marc says Millennials who graduated before the Great Recession are in better shape than those who graduated after (2009-2013). [34:29] What are the most important things to understand and do after reading the book? Marcia says, 1. Don't abandon hope or fear change. 2. Do have a plan and put it into action. Change and manage it as you go each year. 3. Do have a backup plan even if you have a job. [35:22] Neil says, careers used to be relatively straight-lined and predictable. Everyone now is on a twisting road. Going around corners is easier and less frightening if you know where they are taking you. Neil, Marcia, and Marc are all in the gig economy and make their own way in the world without an employer. Neil will not return to a "job." [37:06] Marcia wants every reader not just to have a plan and manage what's coming ahead but to know how to read the jobs market, understand where jobs are disappearing and where jobs are coming through and that they need to prepare and they know how to prepare and save for their retirement as well. [37:50] Neil says the subtitle of the book is about cracking the code to career. The code is opaque, and the book provides transparency. [39:10] Marc highly recommends everyone pick up a copy of Careermageddon: Cracking the 21st Century Career Code. Marc adds that everyone from his online community tells him they want freedom to work when, where, and how they want. [41:46] Check back next week when Marc interviews Kelsey and Matt Moore, owners of CoolWorks.com. Mentioned in This Episode: Careerpivot.com Careermageddon: Cracking the 21st Century Career Code, by Marcia LaReau and‎ Neil Patrick U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics UK Office for National Statistics Uber Lyft Airbnb ForwardMotionCareers.com Marcia LaReau on LinkedIn Neil Patrick on LinkedIn 40pluscareerguru.blogspot.co.uk CoolWorks.com Please pick up a copy of Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life, by Marc Miller and Susan Lahey. The paperback, ebook, and audiobook formats are available now. When you have completed reading the book, Marc would very much appreciate your leaving an honest review on Amazon.com. The audio version of the book is available on iTunes app, Audible, and Amazon. Marc has the paid membership community running on the CareerPivot.com website. The website is alive and in production. Marc is contacting people on the waitlist. Sign up for the waitlist at CareerPivot.com/Community. Marc has two initial cohorts of 10 members in the second half of life and they are guiding him on what to build. He is looking for individuals for the third cohort who are motivated to take action and give Marc input on what he should produce next. He's currently working on LinkedIn, blogging, and book publishing training. Marc is bringing someone in to guide members on how to write a book. The next topic will be business formation and there will be lots of other things. Beta groups will be brought in 10 at a time. This is a unique paid membership community where Marc will offer group coaching, special content, and a community where you can seek help. CareerPivot.com/Episode-68 Show Notes for this episode. Please subscribe at CareerPivot.com to get updates on all the other happenings at Career Pivot. Marc publishes a blog with Show Notes every Tuesday morning. If you subscribe to the Career Pivots blog, every Sunday you will receive the Career Pivot Insights email, which includes a link to this podcast. Please take a moment — go to iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, or Spotify through the Spotify app. Give this podcast an honest review and subscribe! If you're not sure how to leave a review, please go to CareerPivot.com/review, and read the detailed instructions there. Email Marc at Podcast@CareerPivot.com. Contact Marc, and ask questions at Careerpivot.com/contact-me You can find Show Notes at Careerpivot.com/repurpose-career-podcast. To subscribe from an iPhone: CareerPivot.com/iTunes To subscribe from an Android: CareerPivot.com/Android Careerpivot.com

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Youth-Oriented Openings, Secret Side Gigs, and Multiple Offers Job Search Questions #067 Feb 26, 2018

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In this episode, Marc answers questions with his trusty sidekick, Elizabeth Rabaey. You can learn about her career pivots in Episode 020. Listen in to this episode for insight on targeting a job appropriate to your age, dealing with your employer finding your side gigs, and ethical treatment of multiple employers competing for your services.

Key Takeaways:

[:44] Marc welcomes you to the episode and invites you to share this episode with like-minded souls. Please subscribe wherever you listen to this podcast, share it on social media, and tell your neighbors and colleagues.

[1:14] Marc gives an overview of the podcast series. This episode is the Mailbag or Q&A episode. Next, Marc will interview Marcia LaReau and Neil Patrick, co-authors of Careermageddon: Cracking the 21st Century Career Code.[1:36] The next week, Kelsey and Matt Moore, owners of Coolworks, which is basically the Mecca of seasonal jobs, at places like the U.S. National Park Service and other cool places. Marc is working on a couple of interviews with travel bloggers and other interesting and exciting interviews.

[1:56] Marc introduces 'trusty sidekick,' Elizabeth Rabaey. Marc interviewed Elizabeth on Episode 20. Elizabeth encourages you to listen to her episode for details.

[2:59] Q1: I am pursuing a position as a third-party recruiter in a specialized market of which I have intimate knowledge. The hiring company has a 12-week training program for all new hires. The base pay is very low, but the commission structure can be lucrative. I submitted my resume but have not heard back. What should I do?

[3:27] A1: This is a typical 'churn and burn' position for young people who are not expected to stick around for long. You are not their target hire. Marc relates this to when he applied to teach high school math as a teacher over age 40. They wanted a younger person. Marc suggests moving on to something else.

[5:06] Look up Marc's post, "Are You Discouraged Pursuing Millennial Job Opportunities." Pursue something else.

[5:42] Q2: I am working on a consulting side gig to move to in a year. I do not want my current employer to find out. Should I put it on my LinkedIn profile?

[5:50] A2: First, determine the risk. If you put it on LinkedIn and your employer finds it, are they going to fire you? Are they going to be unhappy? Are they going to be OK with it? As long as you're not competing, they may not be happy, but… First determine if they will fire you for doing this, then don't put it on LinkedIn.

[6:35] Second, before you put it on your LinkedIn profile, figure out what's the story you are going to tell them when they do find it. Marc tells about some side gigs he did when he worked at IBM. When he was discovered, IBM was not happy and told him to stop.

[7:17] Third, if you do put it on your LinkedIn profile in current jobs, make sure it is second or possibly third on your list of current jobs. The default is the first item, but immediately move it below your full-time job. Marc just moved Repurpose Your Career podcast host to his third current job. That way, it doesn't come up in the header.

[8:59] The key piece here is to make sure you have 'a story' to tell your employer when they discover your side job.

[10:12] Marc was talking to an employee of a large technology company recently who wanted to retire in a year and move into real estate investing — and wanted to put that on LinkedIn but didn't want the company to know he was retiring in a year. Honesty is the best policy. Make sure you have your story straight.

[11:07] Elizabeth points out that you'd better be ready to make the jump financially if your employer decides they don't want to keep you around because of your side gig. Marc says that side gigs are becoming more common. All you have to do is figure out if it competes with your current position. It is especially common for older workers.

[11:47] Q3: I have interviewed with several companies and I'm about to get an offer for a pretty good position but I'm also interviewing with another company next week that I think I want more. How should I handle this?

[12:01] A3: These are good times! Marc gives a case study of navigating two potential positions. First, say nothing until you have a formal offer. Second, with the formal offer in hand, find out how long they will give you to respond.

[13:00] Third, go to the second company and tell them you have a really good offer in-hand. Ask if they can speed up the interview process; if you are 'attractive enough,' they will. Don't do anything until you have the first offer in-hand on paper or DocuSign. There is still room to negotiate the offer if it is not just what you want.

[13:46] Marc returns to the case study. The second potential employer sped up the process to one week. They did not, in the end, make an offer, but as they were prompt, the interviews did not interfere with his accepting the position from the first company. The applicant renegotiated the original offer with the first company.

[14:09] The key piece is that no one's working for you. A headhunter is being paid by the employer, not by you. Be careful with them. As you draw out the first offer, make sure you treat them fairly and don't drag them along. Make sure no one is deceived. Once you have that first offer, others will speed it up if you are an attractive candidate.

[15:06] Marc says we live in good times. He has had, in the last year, multiple clients who've gotten multiple offers. It's kind of nice, being loved! Marc has also had several clients who've gotten five-figure signing bonuses, in their 50s!

[16:10] It's all about making sure you have that first offer in-hand and it is official. You don't do anything until you have it in-hand.

[16:22] Marc says those were good questions. If anyone in the audience has a question for Marc and Elizabeth, please go to the contact form on CareerPivot.com or send a question to Podcast@CareerPivot.com, and Marc will get back and add it to the queue, or respond to the email if you are subscribed to the podcast or the CareerPivot blog.

[17:03] Marc hopes you enjoyed this episode. He leaves his closing words.

[18:30] Check back next week when Marc interviews Marcia LaReau and Neil Patrick, co-authors of Careermageddon: Cracking the 21st Century Career Code.

Mentioned in This Episode:

Careerpivot.com

Careermageddon: Cracking the 21st Century Career Code, by Marcia LaReau and‎ Neil Patrick

CoolWorks

CareerPivot.com/Episode-20 with Elizabeth Rabaey

Are You Discouraged Pursuing Millennial Job Opportunities

DocuSign

Please pick up a copy of Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life, by Marc Miller and Susan Lahey. The paperback, ebook, and audiobook formats are available now. When you have completed reading the book, Marc would very much appreciate your leaving an honest review on Amazon.com. The audio version of the book is available on iTunes, Audible, and Amazon.

Marc has the paid membership community running on the CareerPivot.com website. The website is alive and in production. Marc is contacting people on the waitlist. Sign up for the waitlist at CareerPivot.com/Community. Marc has two initial cohorts of 10 members in the second half of life and they are guiding him on what to build. He is looking for individuals for the third cohort who are motivated to take action and give Marc input on what he should produce next. He's currently working on LinkedIn and blogging training. Marc is bringing someone in to guide members on how to write a book. The next topic will be business formation and there will be lots of other things. Beta groups will be brought in 10 at a time. This is a paid membership community where Marc will offer group coaching, special content, and a community where you can seek help.

CareerPivot.com/Episode-67 Show Notes for this episode.

Please subscribe at CareerPivot.com to get updates on all the other happenings at Career Pivot. Marc publishes a blog with Show Notes every Tuesday morning. If you subscribe to the Career Pivots blog, every Sunday you will receive the Career Pivot Insights email, which includes a link to this podcast.

Please take a moment — go to iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, or Spotify through the Spotify app. Give this podcast an honest review and subscribe! If you're not sure how to leave a review, please go to

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Marc Miller Examines His Uncertainty About Moving to Mexico #066 Feb 19, 2018

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Uncertainty is stressful. Marc Miller describes the process of planning, preparing, and waiting to move to Mexico and how uncertainty manifests itself in the process. Listen in for ideas on preparing for major changes in your life.

Key Takeaways:

[:44] Marc welcomes you to the episode and announces that downloads continue to exceed his expectations. Marc invites you to share this episode with like-minded souls. Please subscribe wherever you listen to this podcast, share it on social media, and tell your neighbors and colleagues.

[1:25] Marc gives an overview of the podcast series. This month, the series is out of the normal order. Two weeks ago, in Episode 64, Marc interviewed Camille Knight, a logical creative who married her love for data and creativity into making beautiful Tableau dashboards for executives. She transitioned in her fifties.

[1:58] Last week, in Episode 65, Marc interviewed Hannah Morgan of Career Sherpa fame. Hannah started in the career space right before the Great Recession. Marc interviewed her about job searching in 2007, in the present day, and about her projections for 2028. It's a really good episode.

[2:32] The third in the series is a topic of Marc's choosing. This week it is an episode about uncertainty and FOMO or fear of missing out. This affects Marc and other people about to make a major change. Marc's major change is his planned move to Mexico.

[2:49] The last episode in the series is the Mailbag episode where he answers your questions with Elizabeth Rabaey.

[2:54] Marc introduces the episode, a discussion of what's going through his head around his to move to Mexico.

[3:02] Marc was driving to a workshop in Dallas the previous weekend and was listening to the Freakonomics podcast -- "An Egghead's View of the Superbowl." On offense the players knows the play. The defense is always on their toes, not knowing what is going to happen.

[3:34] Stephen Dubner, the host, said a lot of social science research tells us that uncertainty is exhausting. We make really poor decisions under uncertainty. Marc has been going through a lot of uncertainty for about the last year-and-a-half, and it is exhausting.

[4:02] Marc retells how he decided to move. Listen to Episode 55 to hear the full story. Around October of 2016, Marc's health insurance bill went up by 50% and he didn't know what to do about it. They got on the Healthcare.gov site and found a plan, but things were really uncomfortable. Then came the election of President Trump.

[4:51] Worrying about healthcare insurance created a lot of uncertainty. Marc and his wife decided that they would start exploring leaving the country. Mrs. Miller is just over a year away from Medicare, while Marc is several years away from it. They are both self-employed and they were worried.

[5:14] In 2017, the Millers spent $25,000 on Health Insurance and Healthcare, and they didn't reach their deductible. In 2018, it is worse. In 2017, they spent a lot of time exploring options for moving and spent some time in San Miguel de Allende in Mexico. Mrs. Miller had health issues there, but she neglected to follow up with a doctor.

[5:57] Several months later, the Millers went to Cuenca, Ecuador, at 8,000 ft. elevation and Quito, at 9,000 ft. Mrs. Miller crashed. They came home early and she was admitted to the hospital. Her condition is being resolved, but they have uncertainty. Meanwhile, Marc's business went down 60% in the first half of 2017.

[6:44] Marc attributes the drop in business to uncertainty about the current U.S. president and what the government will do. Marc has a strong dislike for both U.S. major political parties, and the current president. Marc is affected by all the uncertainty.

[7:12] Marc has decided to move forward with what he was going to do. They started making plans, and the next step was to visit Ajijic, Mexico, outside Guadalajara. They made the decision that Ajijic would be the place where they would start their expat life. It may turn out to be their final destination.

[8:02] The Millers will spend a month at Ajijic starting in the middle of March, shopping for doctors, insurance and rental property. They found an Airbnb one-bedroom condo to rent for a month at $800. They will come back and then move down, probably semi-permanently, in June or July.

[8:41] Marc started wondering if he was making the right decision. They started getting rid of things like books. They've already down-sized in 2009, from 1,700 square feet house to a 1,000 square foot condo. Now they have to start getting rid of important stuff.

[9:10] First thing to go will be George, a massive, 8-foot-tall, 45-year-old ponytail palm on the third floor balcony. The YMCA will probably take that. Next is Marc's mother's furniture and her unburied urn. The next question is what to do with the cats. It is all uncomfortable for the Millers.

[10:50] They want to move in phases, as they did when they moved into the condo. It looks like they will delay renting out their condo. They will go for three months and then come back. Mrs. Miller will retire from her job at that point. Marc worries what he will miss out. If they don't rent out the condo they will be out the rent money.

[11:30] The Millers are uncertain about what rental properties will be available when they move down to Mexico. The visit in March is to take care of some of the uncertainty by finding a place for June. When they went in October of 2017 they took care of a lot of the uncertainty.

[11:58] Marc has a lot of clients and listeners who have a tremendous amount of uncertainty about change. We don't know what to do and that makes it very uncomfortable. Marc lists some uncertainties for the Millers. Episode 40 was about walking into an unknown world when Marc left a corporation to teach high school math.

[13:17] All of the process of becoming a high school teacher was incredibly anxiety-provoking. No one wants to tell how you get hired to teach high school.

[13:41] Marc realizes now that all the uncertainty he felt before he started teaching contributed greatly to his anxiety. After two years Marc decided he could no longer teach high school math and he took nine months to figure out what was next. More anxiety. It was one of the few times in Marc's career he was lost with no idea what to do next.

[14:11] Marc went through a whole variety of behaviors and feelings popped up. Many of you listeners who are trying to figure out what's next are feeling the same thing.

[14:24] How much of this anxiety, the problems you run into, is caused by uncertainty? Make a list of things you don't know that you will investigate. Marc bought a book on cats, including how to move them. Learn to manage your uncertainty.

[15:12] Marc's final thoughts: What are you uncertain about? How can you manage that? How can you 'not make stuff up'?

[16:06] The Career Pivot community website is in production. This is the only online community anywhere in the world focused on job seekers in the second half of life. Marc is now soliciting people for the third cohort. Join the waiting list at the link.

[17:17] Check back next week when Marc will answer listener questions.

Mentioned in This Episode:

Careerpivot.com

Freakonomics.com

CareerPivot.com/Episode-55

Healthcare.gov

San Miguel de Allende, Mexico

CareerPivot.com/Episode-40

Marc has the paid membership community running on the CareerPivot.com website. The website is alive and in production. Marc is contacting people on the waitlist. Sign up for the waitlist at CareerPivot.com/Community. Marc has two initial cohorts of 10 members in the second half of life and they are guiding him on what to build. He is looking for individuals for the third cohort who are motivated to take action and give Marc input on what he should produce next. He's currently working on LinkedIn and blogging training. Marc is bringing someone in to guide members on how to write a book. The next topic will be business formation and there will be lots of other things.. Groups will be brought in 10 at a time. This is a paid membership community where Marc will offer group coaching, special content, and a community where you can seek help.

CareerPivot.com/review, and read the detailed instructions there.

Email Marc at Podcast@CareerPivot.com.

Contact Marc, and ask questions at Careerpivot.com/contact-me

CareerPivot.com/Episode-66 Show Notes for this episode.

You can find Show Notes at Careerpivot.com/repurpose-career-podcast.

To subscribe from an iPhone: CareerPivot.com/iTunes

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The Evolution of Job Search with Career Sherpa Hannah Morgan #065 Feb 12, 2018

Show notes

Hannah Morgan is a speaker, author, and founder of CareerSherpa.net. She serves as a guide to today's job search, delivering no-nonsense, actionable advice for job seekers. Hannah's experience in human resources, outplacement services, workplace development, and career services equip her with a 360-degree perspective of job search topics.Recognized by media and career professionals as an advocate for job seekers, Hannah speaks and writes about using social media, personal branding, and other modern strategies to help job seekers take control of their job search. Hannah is frequently quoted in local and national publications and she writes a weekly column for the U.S. News & World Report. Hannah is the author of The Infographic Resume.Listen in for trends in job search you need to know.

Key Takeaways:

[:44] Marc welcomes you to the episode and announces the download numbers for January. They are almost double the numbers of three months ago. He appreciates the great feedback from listeners and hopes to continue to meet your expectations of a podcast that inspires.

[1:20] Marc has lined up a travel blogger and hopes to interview the owners of Collworks.com, a website that connects people with work in parks and great outdoor destinations. Marc is working on a number of other great guests.

[1:50] If you enjoy this podcast, Marc invites you to share it with friends, subscribe to it at CareerPivot.com or iTunes, share it on social media, and tell your neighbors and colleagues.

[2:13] Marc gives an overview of the podcast series. This month the series will be out of the normal order. Last week Marc interviewed Camille Knight, a logical creative who married her love for data and creativity into making beautiful Tableau dashboards for executives. She transitioned in her fifties.

[2:40] Next episode is an interview with an expert. That is usually the first episode of the series. This week, Marc will interview Hannah Morgan of Career Sherpa fame. Hannah started in the career space right before the Great Recession. Marc will interview her about job searching in 2007, in the present day, and about her projections for 2028.

[3:10] The third in the series is a topic of Marc's choosing. He is thinking about an episode about FOMO or fear of missing out. This affects Marc and other people about to make a major change. Marc's major change is his planned move to Mexico.

[3:29] The last episode in the series is the Mailbag episode where he answers listener's questions with Elizabeth Rabaey. Last week's episode was the Mailbag.

[3:34] Marc introduces the episode and reads Hannah's bio.

[4:40] Marc welcomes Hannah. She calls herself an introvert who loves nothing better than just hanging out by herself at home, or carting one of her two teenage sons to Lacrosse, football, or other sports-related activity.

[6:12] Hannah started in the career business over a decade ago. Marc 'rewinds time' to 2007 to ask about job search then. There was no LinkedIn. Networks were the focus and job seekers had to rely on often out-of-date email addresses and phone numbers to build networks. It was almost impossible to find the names of people in companies.

[7:27] Networking was incredibly different. There were still a lot of jobs being posted in the newspaper. People were still sending resumes by hard copy or fax. Marc remembers faxing resumes.

[8:14] We really have seen a lot of change since 2007, making things better and easier for job search. Job seekers used to bring 20 copies of their resume to a job fair. A lot of money was spent on good resume paper with matching envelopes. Then there were printing, word processing, and typesetting costs.

[9:21] Marc talks about joining LinkedIn in 2006 and working with Indeed and Jobvite. Things have changed in twelve years, and where you are in the country impacts how quickly local companies embraced the changes in recruiting methods. In some areas, until a few years ago, you may have been emailing your resume to individual people.

[10:52] Marc jumps forward to 2018. What has changed? At the end of 2017 and early in 2018 a couple of things changed. We're starting to see the job market be in the job seeker's favor because of the extremely low unemployment. Employers are doing more to attract candidates. They are putting job centers on their websites.

[12:37] The majority of job seeker and companies have embraced LinkedIn as the primary spot to be seen and found. Applicant tracking systems are everywhere. Companies are realizing the value of company employee referrals.

[13:18] Marc recalls the interview with Gary O'Neal (in Episode 58) and the anecdote about a company with 1,300 resumes in their tracking system, all of which were being ignored. People were hired by emailed resumes and referrals.

[14:33] Some companies are implementing chatbots that will make it easier for people to get through the application process.

[15:44] Some of the biggest problems in hiring today are inadequate screening processes for applicants and resumes, so a lot of good people don't make the cut, there's a communication gap, where job seekers don't know how to prove to employers they have what the employer is seeking.

[16:49] The resume is the primary document, even on LinkedIn. In order for your resume to be attractive to an employer, they have to understand what you're talking about. Candidates have not been taught how to write a good resume or promote themselves.

[17:41] Employers don't know how to write accurate job descriptions. They ask for everything, whether they need it or not. They also don't know how to write about salary.

There's a lot of salary information on the internet, and much of it is GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out.

[19:50] Job titles are meaningless now. Titles vary from company to company. LinkedIn just published their most promising jobs for 2018. The top job is Engagement Manager. Would you know what that job is? It could be a few different things. What about Customer Success Manager? It depends on the company.

[22:17] Marc has a client who wants to move from consultant to employee, for insurance benefits. Marc suggests he look on LinkedIn for people with specific job titles and ask them what they do.

[22:54] Hannah tells job seekers that everyone in a job transition is looking for a new career. The job they had at their last company no longer exists. It requires a major shift in thinking. It's really about getting good at talking about the things that you did well. Marc has clients whose jobs disappeared in under five years.

[24:20] Marc had a director-level job seeker in engineering interviewing at a company similar to his previous employer but they couldn't understand each other as they were using different terminologies. He didn't get the job. Learn the language of your target company.

[25:26] Hannah would like employers to do more to simplify their recruiting language, and explaining their recruitment process to applicants.

[26:28] Marc jumps forward to the year 2028 and asks what has changed? Hannah predicts that will still be a lot of job seeking and hiring, and there will still be a large communication gap between employers and candidates.

[27:05] Hannah hopes that changing jobs will have become easier by candidates building relationships with companies before jobs become open. This could be done with an online talent pipeline. The companies could provide ambassadors to the online communities.

[28:07] Hannah suggests the resume should be replaced with a simple chronological work history. From that and the conversations and some other form of evaluation will be the interview process.

[29:37] The career lattice is the new norm. The career ladder is out. People don't always want to be a boss, they may want a different challenge, and they go from place to place in the company or outside. Companies that only want a ladder climber may be eliminating good candidates. More and more people are moving laterally.

[30:44] The gig economy has been growing. It allows additional freedom to do things that would have been hard to do in a company. The only problem is health benefits tied to employers. To keep our economy growing, we have to allow people flexibility.

[33:03] Marc refers to Unretirement, by Chris Farrell, and the looming worker shortage as Boomers retire. Employers will have to bring back older workers. HR departments have a natural bias against flexibility for older workers.

[36:01] Boomers want to stay employed another five or ten years, maybe for less money and more flexibility. Millennials are the next largest group. They don't want 9-to-5 jobs. Employers are going to have to listen to their largest employee groups and provide flexibility.

[36:46] Marc talks about moving to Mexico, and the tax implications. He has done a lot of research. He is taking his job virtually.

[37:18] Marc jumps back to 2018. What is the most important thought from this conversation? Hannah says that change is the norm. We all have to adapt and understand change and be willing to flex. Understand where you fit in today's world of work, what you want, and what you are good at doing. Find a way to use that.

[38:58] Marc's last thought. He likes Hannah's comment that change is the new norm. We all have to stay nimble. Think about that.

[39:29] The Career Pivot community website is alive and in production. This is the only online community anywhere in the world focused on job seekers in the second half of life. Marc is now soliciting people for the third cohort. Join the waiting list at the link.

[40:54] Check back next week when Marc discusses FOMO and how it's affecting his thinking.

Mentioned in This Episode:

Careerpivot.com

CoolWorks.com

CareerSherpa.net

U.S. News & World Report — Hannah Morgan

The Infographic Resume: How to Create a Visual Portfolio that Showcases Your Skills and Lands the Job, by Hannah Morgan

Indeed

Jobvite

AustinHR

Gary O'Neal on Episode 58

Unretirement: How Baby Boomers are Changing the Way We Think About Work, Community, and the Good Life, by Chris Farrell

Email Hannah at HMorgan@CareerSherpa.net

Marc has the paid membership community running on the CareerPivot.com website. The website is alive and in production. Marc is contacting people on the waitlist. Sign up for the waitlist at CareerPivot.com/Community. Marc has two initial cohorts of 10 members in the second half of life and they are guiding him on what to build. He is looking for individuals who are motivated to take action and give Marc input on what he should produce next. He's currently working on LinkedIn and blogging training. The next topic will be business formation. Groups will be brought in 10 at a time. This is a paid membership community where Marc will offer group coaching, special content, and a community where you can seek help.

CareerPivot.com/review, and read the detailed instructions there.

Email Marc at Podcast@CareerPivot.com.

Contact Marc, and ask questions at Careerpivot.com/contact-me

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Logical Creative Career Pivoter Camille Knight #064 Feb 05, 2018

Show notes

Camille is a logical creative. She is the confluence of creativity and mathematics. Camille grew up as a gymnast, dancer, ice skater, singer, and photographer, while, at the same time, was a member of the Mathematics Honor Society, Mu Alpha Theta. She spent much of her career focusing on the analytical side of herself because that's what the world was willing to pay her for. Over the last few years, she turned herself into a Tableau developer, where she gets to create beautiful, understandable business dashboards. She now gets to activate both sides of her brain and get paid pretty darn well for it. This was not an easy journey for Camille and there were some pretty painful patches for her, which we do not discuss on purpose. But she has persevered and moved on.

Key Takeaways:

[:56] Marc welcomes you to the episode and gives an overview of the podcast series. This month the series will be out of the normal order. This week Marc will interview Camille Knight, a logical creative who married her love for data and creativity into making beautiful Tableau dashboards for executives. She transitioned in her fifties.

[1:27] Next episode will be an interview with an expert. That is usually the first episode of the series. Marc will interview Hannah Morgan of Career Sherpa fame. Hannah started in the career space right before the Great Recession. Marc will interview her about job searching in 2007, in the present day, and about her projections for 2028.

[2:03] The third in the series is a topic of Marc's choosing. He is thinking about an episode about FOMO or fear of missing out. This affects Marc and other people about to make a major change. Marc's major change is his planned move to Mexico.

[2:22] The last episode in the series is the Mailbag episode where he answers listener's questions with Elizabeth Rabaey. Last week's episode was the Mailbag.

[2:33] Marc introduces the episode and reads Camille's bio.

[3:38] Marc welcomes Camille. Camille grew up encouraged to express herself through the arts and athletics — drawing, writing, gymnastics, dance, competitive ice skating, and singing. She decided on business marketing major for a practical career. She was already good at math. Her Math score was the highest on her SAT. She attended UT.

[5:35] When Camille graduated, in the mid-eighties, the economy was "down in the dumps" and everybody was struggling to find a job. She wound up in an administrative position for the U.S. Senate. It was a great opportunity to learn about our government but it was not a creative job so she returned to school as an applied voice major.

[6:34] Camille spent six years as a professional singer. Then she came back to Austin. She worked a series of administrative jobs and was invited to apply for a business analyst job. She liked the idea and went back to school for a business analyst course at ACC. It made sense and she took to it like a duck to water.

[7:31] She thought she had discovered what she was meant to be doing all along. Then she took the project management professional training course and the sequel course. She started to feel that was her direction to follow. She went to work by contract at VMWare. She liked the freedom to work for a time and become a subject matter expert.

[8:52] While Camille was working in one contract job, her world changed again, in 2015, when she found Tableau Desktop. For many years she had been a power user of Excel. Using Tableau was love at first sight. It allowed Camille to be creative with numbers and to tell the story in a visual way. It married the two sides of her brain.

[9:47] Tableau is a data visualization tool that allows you to create various different kinds of charts using data to tell the story. Any news article that has a gorgeous chart probably uses Tableau. Camille likes to able to create something really quickly. The beautiful charts can help executives make business decisions.

[10:48] It was satisfying for Camille to marry the two sides of her brain. She took a two-day course in Tableau, took a certification exam at the Tableau Conference and became a Tableau Qualified Associate.

[11:40] For the last couple of years, Camille has been using Tableau to inform executive decision makers about the performance of several organizations in the healthcare sector. This work requires using mathematics to create the information needed from the data she is given, coloring each point according to the signals in the chart.

[12:53] Camille feels like she has found her niche. Using Tableau comes naturally to her. She was not really happy just doing pure administrative work.

[13:33] Camille had a BA certificate and a PMP certification. She enjoyed Business Analysis, but she was not very interested in being a Project Management Professional, as the work was word-focused. Analysis, reporting, and dashboarding was where she wanted to work. She could use the PMP skills in scheduling her workflow, however.

[15:50] Camille just went through a lot of interviews. One came out of nowhere. She went into the interview feeling she had nothing to lose, and she was just herself. It was a great interview and she got the position. She was asked to talk to a sales consultant at Tableau. When she did, she learned that she was a content developer.

[18:36] Camille had been nervous about the meeting but walked out realizing she was smarter than she thought. The nervousness came from 'MSU.' That confidence set her up for a good interview with the end user.

[19:32] Camille never imagined herself in such a job. She is also concerned about retirement, but she likes to work, so she is considering soft retirement. She doesn't want to stop working. She would like the freedom to take four-to-six weeks off in the summer and option to work 20 hours a week, and take a break between contracts.

[20:43] Camille thinks this next job is a real positive step toward a flexible work schedule. She had had no idea she could make that happen.

[21:03] Camille's job search has taken five years. Things didn't quite turn out the way she planned. She hit Tableau at a very good time, when there are no experts. It's too new. Camille gravitated to it and sucked it up. She dug in deep.

[21:50] Camille would advise job searchers to keep trying. Trying new things, trying to learn, trying just one more job interview. Doors didn't open immediately for her.

[22:53] Camille used to be Marc's neighbor. He has known her through unemployment, hard times, her BA certificate. He encouraged her to take a contract job. The first job they just hired her quickly over the phone. Camille likes the freedom of contracting. She won't take six weeks off, but she might take a few weeks, and it won't be a problem.

[24:09] Marc says everybody in his online community wants freedom to choose how hard they work, where they work, and when they work. For many in the second half of life that becomes really important but it is not available with full-time employment.

[24:34] Marc is really proud of Camille. She thanks him for all his help along the way.

[25:10] Camille is a survivor and continues to pursue her dreams. She started her new job last week and this is just another step in the journey.

[25:49] Marc explains how he will select the listener who will receive a copy of the audio version of Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life.

[26:06] By the time this episode airs Marc will have the second cohort of 10 members for the online paid membership community. This is the only online community anywhere in the world for job seekers in the second half of life. Marc is now soliciting people for the third cohort.

[27:42] Check back next week when Marc will interview Hannah Morgan.

Mentioned in This Episode:

Marc has the paid membership community running on the CareerPivot.com website. The website is alive and in production. Marc is contacting people on the waitlist. Sign up for the waitlist at CareerPivot.com/Community. Marc has an initial cohort of 10 members in the second half of life and they are guiding him on what to build. He is looking for individuals who are motivated to take action and give Marc input on what he should produce next. He's currently working on LinkedIn and blogging training. Groups will be brought in 10 at a time. This is a paid membership community where Marc will offer group coaching, special content, and a community where you can seek help.

CareerPivot.com/review, and read the detailed instructions there.

Email Marc at Podcast@CareerPivot.com.

Contact Marc, and ask questions at Careerpivot.com/contact-me

CareerPivot.com/Episode-64 Show Notes for this episode.

You can find Show Notes at Careerpivot.com/repurpose-career-podcast.

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Being Passed Over for a Position, Not Getting Callbacks, and Two Weeks' Notice Job Search Questions #063 Jan 29, 2018

Show notes

In this episode, Marc answers questions with his trusty sidekick, Elizabeth Rabaey. You can learn about her career pivots in Episode 020. Listen in to this episode for insight on doing detective work about why you weren't hired, skipping the recruiter process, and how much notice is required when you leave a job.

Key Takeaways:

[:45] Marc welcomes you to the episode and gives an overview of the podcast series. This month the series will be out of the normal order. Next week Marc will interview Camille Knight, a logical creative who married her love for data and creativity. Marc has a couple of experts lined up to be interviewed, but scheduling has been challenging.

[1:37] The expert interview is usually the first in the monthly series. The third in the series is a topic of Marc's choosing, and the fourth episode is the 'mailbag' episode with questions from listeners.

[1:51] This is the mailbag Q&A episode with Elizabeth Rabaey.

[2:07] Elizabeth introduces herself and her job.

[3:20] Q1: I have been passed over for a position. I just received an email. How do I find out why I was passed over for the position?

[3:36] A1: Marc recently updated a blog post, "You Didn't Get the Job. Now What?" The key piece here is you need to have people on the inside. As you start the job search, find a referral inside the company. Marc tells about a friend's asking Marc for help with HR at his employer. Marc found out what skills his friend was missing and told his friend.

[5:55] At an interview, get business cards from interviewers. After the interview, you immediately thank everyone, then send LinkedIn connections requests, and even send the recruiter a $5.00 Starbucks gift card if they were nice. Get on the good side of the recruiter. Next, talk to your contact and see if they can play detective with HR.

[7:06] The last step is to wait a month or so, look on LinkedIn, and see who got the job. It's unlikely to get a job in competition with an inside person. Send that person a connection request. Reach out to them and see if they'd be willing to talk. Other similar positions may come up. Just because you didn't get the job doesn't mean it's all over.

[8:31] If the person who got the job is 25 years younger than you are, that may tell you what they want in a candidate. Ageism is alive and well. Look for companies that are very age-friendly. Some companies are well known for being age-friendly. Be a detective before the interview.

[9:45] Q2: I have been applying for positions and rarely do I get a callback. If I do, I meet with a low-level recruiter who does not have the experience to evaluate me for this position. How do I bypass the recruiter to talk to the hiring manager?

[10:09] A2: Marc says listen to Episode 58 with Gary O'Neal. Marc will do a blog post soon on the four things you don't know about the hiring process at your target companies. You don't know when a position will open up. You don't know what keywords, if any, are plugged into their job post. You don't know who will be filtering the resumes, and you don't know if the recruiter knows anything about the position.

[11:26] Gary O'Neal talks about bypassing the whole recruitment system by figuring out who the hiring managers are. You can do that on LinkedIn. Systematically start reaching out to people. Applying for jobs online does work some of the time. Those are the exceptions. Recruiters ask you a stock set of questions.

[12:28] In Episode 58, Gary talks about reaching out to three kinds of people at the company. A hiring manager, someone who would be your peer, and a recruiter. Gary talks about reaching out to 100 companies with a three-email sequence. By going around the standard hiring process, you can make real connections.

[13:03] In an upcoming month, Marc will have Career Sherpa Hannah Morgan as a guest. She has been consulting on jobs for 12 years. Job searching has changed greatly in 10 years. If you follow the recruiters' process, you'll get stuck in it.

[13:36] Gary also says, we believe there are all these rules. There are no rules. Gary recently had a new client. They had 1,300 applicants in the cloud. No one was looking at them. They hire people who mail in their resumes and come in. Most companies don't hire very well. The process is broken.

[15:17] Gary also mentions you will get a lot of silence. If you reach out to 600 people and get a 20% response rate, that's 120 people to talk to. They will be nice because they responded. Reach out, and reach out some more. Marc tells how a LinkedIn connection came just by looking at a profile. He was then able to connect his friend.

[17:54] Q3: I just accepted a new position at a different company. I just know my boss will throw a fit when I turn in my resignation and will make my life miserable for two weeks. Do I have to give two weeks' notice?

[18:12] A3: Marc says this is a tough one. When you signed on with your current company and signed an acceptance letter, it spelled out what you agreed to do when leaving including the length of notice. Marc believes in offering at least two weeks' notice, if not more. Leave, tying everything up in a nice little bow.

[19:35] If your boss is going to throw a fit, it's your job to be the adult in the room. Don't take it personally. Stay calm, insist that you are leaving, but have the discussion of if the boss wants you gone, you will be happy to use PTO time. One of the things to find out before you leave is if they will pay out on your PTO time when you leave.

[21:32] When Marc left his last corporate job, he was stressed out, and he planned his exit meticulously for the first week in January, after bonuses, option vesting, and a healthcare payment. When you take your next job, keep those signing papers.

[22:18] Elizabeth gave two weeks' notice on two occasions, and the last time it was mutually agreed that two weeks was not necessary. Plan your leaving on good terms.

[23:18] Marc says to figure out ahead of time what are you going to do for health insurance, especially to bridge the time between your last job, and when you become eligible for benefits at your next job.

[24:30] Ask HR what COBRA will cost.

[24:59] Marc notes that the first question came from the podcast survey. Marc will pull other questions from the survey for future Q&As. If you have a question you would like Marc to answer, you can either go to CareerPivot.com and hit the Contact Me button, email Marc at Podcast@CareerPivot.com.

[27:38] Check back next week when Marc will interview Camille Knight.

Mentioned in This Episode:

Careerpivot.com

CareerPivot.com/Episode-20 with Elizabeth Rabaey

CareerPivot.com/Episode-58 with HR expert Gary O'Neal

Marc has the paid membership community running on the CareerPivot.com website. The website is alive and in production. Marc is contacting people on the waitlist. Sign up for the waitlist at CareerPivot.com/Community. Marc has an initial cohort of 10 members in the second half of life and they are guiding him on what to build. He is looking for individuals who are motivated to take action and give Marc input on what he should produce next. He's currently working on LinkedIn and blogging training. Groups will be brought in 10 at a time. This is a paid membership community where Marc will offer group coaching, special content, and a community where you can seek help.

CareerPivot.com/review, and read the detailed instructions there.

Email Marc at Podcast@CareerPivot.com.

Contact Marc, and ask questions at Careerpivot.com/contact-me

CareerPivot.com/Episode-63 Show Notes for this episode.

You can find Show Notes at Careerpivot.com/repurpose-career-podcast.

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The First Annual Repurpose Your Career Audience Survey Results #062 Jan 22, 2018

Show notes

Marc takes some time to dissect the podcast audience survey, discuss podcast statistics provided by Libsyn, the podcast host server, and what this might mean for the future. This podcast was launched 14 months ago and targeted one of the smallest audiences who listen to podcasts, the over-55 crowd. According to Edison Research, which presented at Podcast Movement this last year, the over-55 crowd makes up about 15% of all podcast listeners, which, by the way, is about half of the demographic. They make up 38-40% of the population. Marc should be approaching 3,000 episode downloads in January, which pushed this podcast well into the top of all podcasts on Libsyn. For that, Marc wants to say, thank you! He is quite humbled by the response.

Listen in for survey results and future plans for the Repurpose Your Career podcast.

Key Takeaways:

[:57] The audio version of Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life is available now on iTunes, Audible, and Amazon. Listen to the end of this episode for how to win a free copy of the audiobook. Marc will give away one copy a week for one month.

[1:21] Marc announces that the Repurpose Your Career podcast is now available on Spotify, via the Spotify app. There have been a fair number of downloads, already.

[1:37] Marc lists the order of episodes. The first episode is an interview with an expert. Two weeks ago, Marc interviewed Nancy Collamer. Last week, Marc interviewed Christine Hopkins-Spidell, a late-in-life career pivoter. This week, Marc discusses the results of the audience survey. The last episode of the series is a listener Q&A.

[3:33] Marc launched the podcast to support the publishing of the book, Repurpose Your Career. He started with about 300 downloads in the first few months — that was November-December of 2016, and it has steadily climbed ever since.

[3:48] The podcast hit a plateau in the early Fall. Things have kind of exploded in December — a usually quiet month for podcasts. Episodes were up 50% in December and they continue to rise in January, at a rapid rate. Why? Marc has no idea.

[4:09] Charts for the survey will appear in the Show Notes on the CareerPivot.com website. Look for Episode 62. The current episodes are averaging about 300 downloads in the first 30 days. This is a standard measure of the popularity of a podcast. Most downloads will occur in the first 30 days after you publish a particular podcast.

[4:40] Marc received 33 survey responses, which he thought was pretty good. He guesses that one in ten listeners filled out a survey, which is not bad, considering most people listen on mobile devices, so they are not near a computer when they hear them.

[5:02] About 70% of survey respondents were male. In previous surveys of Marc's readership, the gender results were about split. According to Edison Research, male podcast listeners outnumber female podcast listeners 56-44. There will be a link to the report in the show notes.

[5:27] 90% of the respondents were between 45-64; two-thirds of those were between 55-64. The survey shows Marc is hitting his intended audience.

[5:44] Approximately half of all the listeners are unemployed or retired. The other half are mostly looking for a change in career, job, or industry.

[5:58] 98% of the respondents are from North America. One is from South America, and one from Europe.

[6:09] 25% of the respondents have been listening less than one month but you were inspired to fill out a survey in the very first month of listening. Marc thanks you!

[6:23] 22% of the respondents have been listening for 10-12 months. Marc really thanks these folks!

[6:30] The rest of the audience was fairly evenly split up between 1-3, 4-6, and 7-9 months. There was a pretty wide range of response and how long they have listened.

[6:43] Over 40% of respondents listen to the podcast on their computer. That's double the general population.

[7:01] The most common source of downloads was iTunes, followed by all the web browsers — Chrome, Firefox, Mozilla, or Safari. You may have noticed, the most current episode of the podcast is embedded in the blog post as an ad, embedded in a player in the blog post.

[7:41] Slightly less than 40% listen on an Android phone. iPhones came in last. Because of the fact that there is no common app player on Android, People on Android phones don't listen to podcasts as much as people on iPhones. This was surprise to Marc..

[8:11] Half of respondents were selective in the episodes they listen to. ¼ of listeners listen every week. Many said they were too new to the podcast to say.

[8:27] Over 70% said their favorite episode was an interview with someone who made a late-in-life career pivot. The other three episodes split the rest, pretty much evenly.

[8:46] Marc shares things people liked about their favorite episode: seeing themselves doing the same in a few years, looking for practical experience-based examples of how to transition, relatability, engagement, learning about how they made the transition, enjoying "Marc's pivots and lifestyle," liking to hear how others did it.

[9:27] Others liked: hearing actual specific personal stories from people who figured out what to do and made it work, really enjoying Marc's podcast about moving overseas and how to grow his career-pivot business, learning about retiring early, moving to a low-cost area for retirement, second-act careers and side hustles.

[9:55] Others said: applies to me at this stage in my career, am in the same situation of late-career move, liked the book and guest stories best, personal stories are relatable, knowing you are not alone in your journey. Marc says that is probably the most important piece he wants you to get from this survey. You listeners are not alone in this.

[10:32] Others answered: looking for ideas on how to get where I want to be, real-world experience, illustrates clearly that those of us who are older are still fully capable of working, changing jobs, starting a new career, building a business, etc., connecting with a person, enjoy the mailbag, it's my story, it's inspiration as I need to do a pivot.

[11:08] More comments: some of my questions have been answered in the mailbag, I just graduated from college and I'm over 50.

[11:21] Those are some sample answers why people chose their favorite episode. A lot of them want to hear stories that show them other people have accomplished this. They want to know they're not alone.

[11:41] Marc's last question was what topics listeners want to have addressed. They said: include more minorities, specific steps of going into management consulting, how to get gigs, resources for structuring consulting contracts, transferable skills, how to earn while traveling. Marc is looking for a travel blogger who started after 50.

[12:31] More answers were: the effect on work status of becoming a caregiver, funding a pivot, portfolio careers, running a retiree micro-business as part of a portfolio, pros and cons of downsizing or moving as a strategy late in life, retiring before 59-and-a-half, tapping retirement accounts early, how much you need to retire early, or abroad.

[13:08] Retiring to Mexico or Ecuador is a big topic. Other comments: living overseas very helpful since you need at least $1 million to retire in the U.S.A., other organizations that help you rank and decide what would be helpful, how to post-mortem an interview, or why you didn't get a job. Marc may add this one into a mailbag session.

[13:43] More comments: transition from employment to self-employment, age discrimination, moving from a large-population area to a small-population area, rebuilding business network for an introvert in a new location, starting a business, ageism, how to avoid being screened out by people who know nothing about the job.

[14:16] Additional comments: the online black hole (Marc says, go back to the Gary O'Neal episode, #58), gig-economy mindset, landscape, and resources, finding part-time work as a software developer, age discrimination, dealing with the fear of the unknown, preparing for change later in life, dealing with careful plans being upset.

[15:17] Other suggestions: entrepreneurship, relocating, remote working, training and updating skills, research on career trends for people over 50, freelancing tips and examples, the possibility of multiple income streams, am I too old to start a business? Beating the doldrums of unemployment at 55, interviewing 'don'ts.'

[15:46] Marc hopes you got something out of those comments. Marc plans on working with his producer, Podfly, to make changes based on your comments in the coming months. Marc will address a few of the issues in the next couple of Q&A episodes. Marc is looking for a travel blogger who has turned travel into an income stream after 50.

[16:16] Marc has someone in mind to talk about the gig economy and the possibilities. The comments make it obvious that Marc needs to interview more late-career pivoters. If you know someone who has made a late-career pivot, please send Marc a note to Podcast@careerpivot.com. In the last episode, Christine came to Marc to tell her story.

[16:55] Marc has one client lined up for an interview. She is a logical creative. She is a data analyst with a unique streak of creativity.

[17:08] Marc thanks everyone who participated in the survey. Your feedback is invaluable.

[17:36] Marc gives instructions on how you could get a free copy of the audio version of Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd half of Life. Marc announces a previous recipient of a coupon for a free copy.

[18:12] Marc is working on the Career Pivot community website. The website is live, in the process of being put into production and ironing out a few glitches. Marc is contacting people on the waiting list. To learn more, please go to CareerPivot.com/Community and sign up for updates.

[18:42] Marc is currently working on LinkedIn and blogging training. He is planning on four to five beta groups with 10 or more people at a time. This paid membership community is a place where you can receive group coaching, special content, and most importantly, a community where you can seek help.

[19:13] Next episode, Marc and Elizabeth will share answers to questions from listeners.

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Christine Hopkins-Spidell Planned Her Career Pivot With Purpose and Great Care #061 Jan 15, 2018

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Christine Hopkins-Spidell earned her Doctor of Law and Policy from Northeastern University, in 2016. Her research focused on federal and state laws relating to our Medicare and Medicaid programs. She earned her Master of Science degree from Northeastern University in Drugs, Biologics, and Medical Devices and her BA in Social Science at Roger Williams University. Her early career began working as a paralegal in law firms focused in the areas of real estate and corporate law while attending classes to earn her BA. She joined Textron Financial Corporation, which provided commercial and consumer lending, a subsidiary of Textron, Inc., in 1991 and over the next 20 years held various roles, including the Litigation Manager and Compliance Manager before accepting the position of Senior Corporate Compliance Specialist at Textron, Inc. Chris is currently VP of Compliance for HealthDrive.

Listen in for advice on preparing a careful and purposeful planned career pivot.

Key Takeaways:

[:56] The audio version of Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life is available now on iTunes, Audible, and Amazon. Listen to the end of this episode for how to win a free copy of the audiobook. Marc will give away one copy a week for one month.

[1:24] Marc announces that the Repurpose Your Career podcast is now available on Spotify. There have been a fair number of downloads, already.

[1:49] Marc lists the order of episodes. The first episode is an interview with an expert. Last week, Marc interviewed Nancy Collamer. This episode, Marc interviews Christine Hopkins-Spidell, a late-in-life career pivoter. Next week, Marc will discuss the results of the audience survey. The last episode of the series is a listener Q&A.

[2:48] Marc reads the bio of Christine Hopkins-Speidel.

[4:08] Marc introduces Christine. Chris is happy to share with the audience how the things she learned from the Repurpose Your Career website helped her. Chris talks about her career as an early paralegal in law firms in the area of real estate. She learned early on the importance of knowing where to find the answers.

[6:15] After Chris had her Paralegal certificate, she worked toward her Bachelor's degree in Social Science. She received the offer to work at Textron, which was a great opportunity at a multi-national company of several industries. She had a lot of mentors there. After 20 years, she wanted a change. She wanted to plan it carefully to avoid risk.

[7:32] Chris's last position at Textron was Senior Corporate Compliance Specialist. It was an auditing position related to laws, risk assessment, and action plans. She developed training materials around the laws that impacted the industries.

[9:27] Sometimes Chris needed to investigate non-compliance issues, which made her an unwelcome visitor. As Chris approached 20 years, she knew she could retire, and that was the impetus to look for other opportunities. She knew her Bachelor's degree in Social Science would not take her far and that she had to prepare herself better.

[10:48] Chris was in her mid-fifties when she looked at this career change. Her children were already married. She wanted to see what else she could do and make a difference. She looked at healthcare, especially Medicare, and also considered starting her own business, an herb and honey store.

[12:46] Chris considered what would work best for her at that point in her life. She used a tool called the Failure Mode and Effects Analysis. She determined that a store would have to be a longer-term goal. In the meantime, she took money she had set aside and studied for the healthcare industry. She started with math, at Khan Academy.

[15:04] To pick up on some undergraduate work, Chris went to brick-and-mortar colleges. She remembers her first class very well. She felt unprepared.

[16:21] Besides getting into a Master's program, and the undergraduate classes, Chris recommends taking some free online classes that are not for credit but very worthwhile.

[16:58] Chris was accepted into two Master's programs: Regulatory Affairs and Psychology. She started in Psychology, learned a lot, but felt it wasn't a fit for her, and she switched to the Regulatory Affairs program.

[17:33] Northeastern had a great program, with mentors to help her along, and also an internship program that met her objective to gain work experience in the new area. She knew she was going into a very competitive industry.

[19:10] Chris sent out one resume for a clinical research at a public hospital and got the job. She worked in Neuro-Oncology on clinical studies. It gave her the opportunity to really learn the healthcare industry.

[19:59] Chris had been planning for an internship but got a job, instead, while she was still working on her Master's degree. For the degree she needed an internship, so she asked the hospital if she could do it in their finance department, and learn that aspect of Insurance, Medicare, and Medicaid. It was great experience.

[21:31] Chris thinks she got the job because they were looking for someone with regulatory experience, although she hadn't seen that in the job posting.

[22:58] Marc notes that job descriptions are often misleading. This job turned out to be perfect for Chris. She learned all the medical terminology and acronyms.

[23:57] From there, Chris was finishing her Master's when she heard about the Doctor of Law and Policy program. She told the doctors at the hospital that she was applying for the program, and they gave her a great reference. She was accepted into the program, which meant more expenses.

[25:40] To eliminate a commute, and to pay her expenses as she went, she got a job closer to the University in Boston. She got a couple of offers and accepted the one at HealthDrive, with the agreement that she could have time for research to finish her doctorate.

[26:41] HealthDrive is an integrated healthcare program for patients in nursing homes in 10 states. Her initial title was compliance specialist at an entry level. Her boss there had 25 years of experience, and she knew she could learn a lot from him. After several months, they promoted her to Vice President of Compliance.

[28:49] Changing industries is really hard. Christine had a huge learning curve between financial compliance and healthcare research, and then compliance.

[29:38] Chris had to eat humble pie in college when she was yelled at for walking in late to class after an important executive meeting at work. She was shocked, but kept her calm. She also felt sluggish and slow compared to the young college kids. She also had to transition from running the show to not running the show.

[30:52] At HealthDrive, Chris ensures that the company is in compliance with the laws and regulations that affect the industry — the same job profile that she had at Textron, in a completely different industry. HealthDrive has about a thousand employees in the field and at headquarters.

[31:50] Chris didn't expect to be back in an executive position in a new industry. Marc calls it good karma. Good things happened because she didn't expect them. She really contacted the learning curve, and learned to study again.

[32:58] Chris's advice for the audience is to plan effectively for the change. She recommends the Failure Mode and Effects Analysis, a part of Six Sigma. You don't want to guess. You want to plan what the risks are to you, and how to offset the risks before you make a change. She also recommends Kahneman's Thinking, Fast and Slow.

[37:09] Marc's final thoughts: Christine is risk-averse and is a meticulous planner. This is similar to the path Dr. Joel Dobbs took in Episode 3.

[38:00] Marc tells what you need to do this week to get a free copy of the audio version of Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life.[38:27] Marc is contacting people on the waiting list for the online community of the CareerPivot.com website. To be put on the waiting list, please go to CareerPivot.com/Community. Marc is looking for individuals who are motivated to take action will give input on what they want to see next in the community.

Mentioned in This Episode:

Careerpivot.com

Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life, by Marc Miller and Susan Lahey The paperback, ebook, and audio versions are available now.

Northeastern University

Roger Williams University

Textron Financial Corporation

Textron Inc.

HealthDrive

Failure Mode and Effects Analysis

Khan Academy

Thinking, Fast and Slow, by Daniel Kahneman

hopeysti@aol.com

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Nancy Collamer on Your Second-Act Career #060 Jan 08, 2018

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Nancy Collamer is a semi-retirement expert, and author of Second-Act Careers: 50+ Ways to Profit from Your Passions During Semi-Retirement. She writes a bi-monthly blog on work and purpose for NextAvenue.org and Forbes.com and publishes a free newsletter about second-act careers through her website, MyLifestyleCareer.com. In private practice since 1996, Nancy holds an MS in Career Development from the College of New Rochelle and a BA in Psychology from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

Listen in for advice on preparing yourself for your semi-retirement opportunities.

Key Takeaways:

[1:07] The audio version of Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life is available now on iTunes, Audible, and Amazon. Listen to the end of this episode for how to win a free copy of the audiobook. Marc will give away one copy a week for one month.

[1:41] In this episode, Mard interviews Nancy Collamer, semi-retirement expert and author of Second-Act Careers: 50+ Ways to Profit from Your Passions During Semi-Retirement. Next is an episode with a late-life career pivoter. The third in the series is a topic of Marc's choice. The last in the series is the Q&A episode.

[3:18] Marc introduces Nancy. Nancy really loves her free time. She has a lot of interests outside of work, including family, volunteer work, and hiking. She loves her job because she feels so strongly about people having a holistic, balanced life, with the time to pursue other interests.

[4:50] Nancy is passionate about second-act careers. There are problems with being older and working but there is so much opportunity for people after they retire to have the chance to do what they want to do professionally with the flexibility of time for all their other interests and to find that mix that they didn't have in their full-time careers.

[5:38] Nancy enjoys getting this important information out there to folks. Marc hears from his online community that they are surprised by their options for work. It can be hard to imagine the possibilities and think outside the box. Nancy's retired brother-in-law never thought about other possibilities after a long career at one company.

[7:22] Nancy sees two beneficial trends for Boomers: first, the exploding growth in the gig economy, including working through a temp agency, taking on project work, or creating a side business, and second, the graying of the workplace.

[9:18] Marc's online community informs him that people want freedom over their work — when, how much, and where — and at some point in the job economy companies will have to hire older workers. Nancy just wrote an article with seven ways employers can make the workplace more accommodating for older workers.

[10:50] Marc tells about Nomadland and how the semi-retired in trailers are being taken advantage of by certain industries.

[11:14] People have a hard time knowing what they should do in semi-retirement. Nancy gives a few tips. Disregard sunk costs. Do you still enjoy it; do you feel like your adding value? It may just be certain elements of your job you want to walk away from. What did you like? You might find a part-time position in a better environment.

[15:05] Marc's periodontist sold his practice, stayed on as an employee of the new owner, and can work as little or much as he wants.

[16:23] Your area of expertise is where you are best known in your largest professional network of contacts. It's where you have your greatest income potential. Explore it before you move on to other options.

[17:11] Most people build on a piece of what they did before. Nancy gives examples.

[19:05] Most employees are branded by their business skill set and their expertise in their industry. It's usually easy to trade one, not both, in one pivot. Nancy talks about a Microsoft marketer's pivot. He transitioned to a magician for events and did marketing for magicians who had no marketing acumen of their own.

[21:45] Nancy sees opportunities for people over 50 in the gig economy and using the internet for working from home. She uses herself as an example, interviewing online. A vice-president retired and became a dog-sitter and dog-walker on Rover.com.

[23:46] Marc uses the example of a three-way international Zoom call he joined on his iPhone from Mexico.

[25:44] Surround yourself with second-act inspiration. You will be excited about the possibilities.

[26:33] Marc will give away one or more copies of the audio version of his book if you will follow the instructions he gives in this episode. Listen for details.

[27:24] Marc is contacting people on the waiting list for the online community of the CareerPivot.com website. To be put on the waiting list, please go to CareerPivot.com/Community. Marc is looking for individuals who are motivated to take action will give input on what they want to see next in the community.

Mentioned in This Episode:

Careerpivot.com

Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life, by Marc Miller and Susan Lahey The paperback, ebook, and audio versions are available now.

Second-Act Careers: 50+ Ways to Profit from Your Passions During Semi-Retirement, by Nancy Collamer

NextAvenue.org

College of New Rochelle

The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

MyLifestyleCareer.com

Unretirement: How Baby Boomers are Changing the Way We Think About Work, Community, and the Good Life, by Chris Farrell

"7 Ways Employers Can Support Older Workers and Job Seekers," by Nancy Collamer

Nomadland: Surviving America in the Twenty-First Century, by Jessica Bruder

Rover.com

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Marc's Favorite Episode of 2017: 8 Individuals. 8 Career pivots. Listen to a Recap of Previous Guests #059 Jan 02, 2018

Show notes

Marc introduces the common themes of the eight career changes or pivots recapped in this episode. First, they had an idea and did not act on it. Second, there was a moment or event that vaulted them into action. Third, no matter how well they planned it, things did not turn out as planned, and they needed to adapt as they went along. Marc reviews some of their stories, with clips characterizing the three phases in common. He shares some guest clips for each of the three phases.

Listen in for a variety of experiences and tips for pivoting to or changing careers.

Key Takeaways:

[1:08] For the past month, Marc has been running the Repurpose Your Career audience survey on who listens to the podcast, what you like, and what you would like to hear about in the future. Please take the survey at CareerPivot.com/PodcastSurvey. This will redirect you to a SurveyMonkey page. Marc will end the survey on January 8.

[1:47] Marc's audiobook Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life, is available on iTunes, Audible, and Amazon. Please check it out.

[1:59] Marc will begin the podcast series format again next week, with an interview of Nancy Collamer, semi-retirement expert and author of Second-Act Careers: 50+ Ways to Profit from Your Passions During Semi-Retirement. Marc really likes this book.

[2:20] This episode is coming out a day late due to the New Year's holiday and is a repeat of Marc's favorite episode of 2017. Everybody has been reporting that they like the stories people have been telling. This episode is a compilation of interviews with eight individuals who have repurposed their careers. Listen to the common themes.

[3:39] Marc interviewed Dr. Joel Dobbs in Episode 3. Dr. Dobbs was an accomplished pharmaceutical executive. Now he has a portfolio career that includes consulting, teaching, and coaching. He planned this out well. Dr. Dobson noted that his life was half gone, and he was inspired by the book Halftime, to do something different.

[6:01] Dr. Dobson took a pause to reflect and sought things that would lead to a new life of significance, to give back. He thought about doing something very different.

[8:02] Marc interviewed Mike O'Krent in Episode 7. Mike went from a carpet store to chronicling people's lives in video interviews with Life Stories Alive. Mike tells how he started chronicling Holocaust survivors' stories for the Jewish Federation of San Antonio — for one project ending in 2000. When it was over, he went back to his carpet sales.

[10:36] Marc interviewed Jennifer Winter in Episode 28. Jennifer was VP of Sports Sponsorship for Turner Broadcasting and hated it. Everyone told her how great her job was, so she stayed 21 years. Impending layoffs started her thinking about a change.

[14:42] Marc introduces the next phase, vaulting into action, with more from Mike O'Krent. Mike's business coach had him write a list of items he both enjoyed and did well. As he read the list to the coach, he was directed to reread certain items and lit up with the Holocaust interviews. The coach asked, can you make a business like that? [17:16] Marc interviewed Kay McManus in Episode 32. Kay was a business professional working for technology companies before she was laid off in 2009. Now she is the CEO of Kay-Kan. Kay says being laid off was what moved her to act. It turned out she was able to serve the managers at her past job as a freelancer. Then she went full-time.

[21:01] Marc introduces Vicki McCullough of Sequitur Marketing, his guest in Episode 11. Vicki was laid off multiple times and finally decided to be her own boss. She explains how she started. After she tried the job search route to no success, she started contract work in marketing. Then she told herself, this was the time.

[22:46] Marc had two guests who made multi-step pivots. Elizabeth Rabaey was Marc's guest on Episode 20. Elizabeth also helps Marc on the mailbag episodes. Elizabeth worked for an environmental engineering company, on air and water permitting. After multiple pivots, she is a marketing professional for a large mining equipment company.

[23:44] Elizabeth networked into a project manager position at a company larger than her first one. Elizabeth got involved in marketing and branding there. After a year, her old company reached out to her for marketing, and she worked for them for three years.

[29:59] Towards the end of 2016 Elizabeth was looking on job boards and found a marketing coordinator position for an international company. She went to the company website, applied for the job, and her engineering and marketing backgrounds got her hired very quickly. She works from home, with the possibility of international travel.

[32:31] Marc interviewed Thom Singer in Episode 15. Thom was a business development professional who worked for a law firm until the 2009 recession when he was laid off. He then launched his career as a keynote speaker and MC. He had already been speaking on the side, but the layoff motivated him to make this his profession.

[33:03] Thom's background prepared him to train other law firms. But, because of the recession, they stopped hiring outside services. Associations of all kinds still held their meetings, and so keynote speaking became the biggest part of Thom's business. He was unable to get the rates per speech he needed, and his mortgage didn't shrink.

[34:53] Thom was losing money. The family went through cash reserves and credit cards. In a few years he caught up to his previous salary, but then had to work off three years of debt. In six and a half years he was at a stable level. A bad quarter still makes him nervous, but then the next quarter is fine.

[35:49] Marc interviewed Mike Martin in Episode 24. Mike spent most of his career in industrial sales, but that career sputtered out. Mike shares his multi-step pivots, from teaching school, to driving trains, to being a drone pilot instructor.

[38:02] Mike got his teaching certification just as massive teacher layoffs hit Texas. So he finished his bachelor's degree in aviation. He took a job at a small airport, but didn't like it, so he looked at other transportation, and found an opening as a train operator in Texas. He passed the test, aced the interview, and was sent to train operator school.

[39:58] Mike got an RV, and parked it at an RV resort near the train school. In 10 weeks he had a certificate, and was assigned to wash trains until a route came up. He got an assignment to burn in new trains, with their computer systems. Then he started testing the signal systems on a new route. When the new route opened, he ran the PR train.

[42:01] With the new line open, and new confidence from training operators, he returned home. When he looked around, he saw activity in the drone world, and that's where he landed. He took 25 hours of training, and started training others to fly, for Dart Drones. He could not have planned his career path, and made corrections on the way.

[45:18] Mike encourages career pivoters to pursue their dreams and never give up. The first avenue might not work out. Work the industry deep and wide.

[45:48] Marc's final words: Please listen to the episodes of the interviews that resonated with you. Please take the Repurpose Your Career podcast audience survey at CareerPivot.com/podcastsurvey. Please pick up a copy of Marc's book, and write an honest review on Amazon.com. The audiobook is now on iTunes, Audible, and Amazon.

[46:49] The website for the Career Pivot Community website is live. Marc is contacting people who are on the waiting list. To join the list go to CareerPivot.com/community. Sign up to receive more information about the community as it evolves.

Mentioned in This Episode:

Careerpivot.com

Repurpose Your Career: A Practical Guide for the 2nd Half of Life, by Marc Miller and Susan Lahey The paperback, ebook, and audiobook formats are available now.

Second-Act Careers: 50+ Ways to Profit from Your Passions During Semi-Retirement, by Nancy Collamer

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Dr. Joel Dobbs, Episode 3

Halftime: Moving from Success to Significance, by Bob P. Buford

Mike O'Krent, Episode 7

Jennifer Winter, Episode 28

Kay McManus, Episode 32

Vicki McCullough, Episode 11

Elizabeth Rabaey, Episode 20

Mike Martin, Episode 24

Thom Singer, Episode 15

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