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Ever wonder what it’s like to go on your first sober date? Or survive a wedding without liquid courage? How about dancing stone-cold sober or dealing with your first breakup without wine?

If so, you’re in luck because you can join bestselling authors and longtime sober friends Lisa Smith and Anna David as they talk to guests—and each other—about addiction and recovery, including all the “firsts” that come with sober living. From awkward to amazing, cringe-worthy to surprisingly poignant, they’re discussing what it’s like to experience life without substances.

Lisa is the author of the award-winning memoir Girl Walks Out of a Bar, while Anna wrote Party Girl, a comic novel about addiction and recovery in the vein of Rachel’s Holiday and Postcards From the Edge. Together, they explore the real-life moments behind the kinds of stories that shape how people understand recovery.

Whether you’re newly sober, sober-curious or just want to hear some honest stories about recovery, Recovery Rocks is here for all of it.

Because as it turns out, when you can remember everything that happened, life gets a lot more interesting.

New episodes weekly. Real stories, real recovery, real talk.

Latest Episodes:

Episode 282: (Rebroadcast) Boundaries, Gray-Area Drinking, and Core Values with Lindsay Sutherland Boal Jul 27, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk with Lindsay Sutherland Boal, a coach, advocate, and the founder of both The Uncovery App and She Walks Canada, which support women overcoming problematic relationships with alcohol. They chat about gray-area drinking and the concept of “rock enough,” the acknowledgement that you don’t need a “rock bottom” crisis to quit drinking. The Uncovery App is dedicated to the pursuit of alcohol-free living through self-investigation and support. She Walks Canada organizes walks around the world to support recovery and foster community.

Music Minute features Lindsay’s opera career and tropical lounge music.

Check out The Uncovery App

Learn about She Walks Canada

On Instagram: @theuncoveryapp and @shewalkscanada

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze.

Sign up for Tawny’s newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Order Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 281: Why We’re Taking a Summer Break Jul 17, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa are taking a summer break from the podcast, but encore episodes will air until they’re back in September. They talk about how it feels to pause and what they’ll be doing. It’s an opportunity for play and a chance to reset and reflect. But giving themselves time off brings up different emotions for both of them. They go deep on their feelings about routines, financial insecurity, and perfection.

Music Minute features Sheryl Crow, The White Stripes, and Eminem

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter https://tawnylara.substack.com/ "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)
Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 280: Nurture Yourself with Nature Jul 10, 2025

Show notes

City girls love nature, too! Tawny and Lisa talk about the role it plays in their recoveries. Spending time in nature is linked to both cognitive benefits and improvements in mood, mental health and emotional well-being. But you can also bring nature into the home with herbs, plants, flowers or anything that connects with you. And nature is not just the mountains or the ocean – it can be anywhere you feel connected, like a dog park in the city!

Check out the APA article

Music Minute features Michael Jackson, Rolling Stones, Creedence Clearwater Revival, and Soundgarden

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 279: Call Your Friends. Literally. Then Go Outside. Jul 03, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk about the power of being with people in person, including on their recent travels. What’s different when we’re off the screens? How do we motivate ourselves when it feels easier to just stay home? Can we find the flexibility to pick up the phone when it’s not on the calendar? And how do we manage our energy budgets when sometimes the juice just isn’t there? Hint: Phone a friend!

Music Minute features Blondie, Lionel Richie, Adele and The Police

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Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Sign up for Tawny’s Writing Classes

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 278: The Perks of Slow Success with Chris Marshall of Sans Bar Jun 26, 2025

Show notes

Chris Marshall, founder of Sans Bar, the first non-alcoholic bar in North America, wrote a book! Faster Than Light covers Chris’ journey, shaped by early childhood trauma, from being a young Black man in an affluent Texas suburb to rising as a leader in the recovery community. He talks with Tawny and Lisa about the writing process and entrepreneurism. Then they dig into Sans Bar, Sans Bar Academy, and Chris’ role in sparking a movement rooted in authentic, alcohol-free connection. The moral of the story: Don’t rush it!

Music Minute features Explosions in the Sky and Hamilton Soundtrack

Find Sans Bar on Instagram

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 277: Finding Humor in Sobriety with Tiffany Jenkins Jun 19, 2025

Show notes

Tiffany Jenkins, the bestselling author of High Achiever, is here! She’s out with a new can’t-put-it-down memoir, A Clean Mess. It chronicles her life after addiction—the raw, the dark, and the hilarious—from setting out with nothing but a backpack to discovering her marriage was built on a shakier foundation than she’d ever imagined to staying sober when life fell apart. She talks with Tawny and Lisa about asking for help, connection with a sober community, gratitude, and sharing her story publicly.

Music Minute features Blue October

Follow Tiffany on Instagram

Find Tiffany on Facebook

Check out The Tiff & Flip Show

Check out the Take It or Leave It

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Sign up for Tawny’s Writing Classes

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 277: Dublin, Paris, and Jim Morrison - Tawny’s EuroTrip Recap Jun 12, 2025

Show notes

Tawny spent a week teaching a writing course in Dublin, followed by a long weekend pursuing Parisian pleasure. She talks about the impact of her trip, both on her recovery and her art. With the pressure off, she immersed herself in being present on the trip, and new ideas emerged. Tawny’s carrying the vibe of the trip into her everyday now, including redesigning her office to reflect how she feels on the inside. They also discuss Dublin’s thriving non-alcoholic drink scene. Guinness 0 on tap everywhere!

Music Minute features Jim Morrison, Lorde, and Janet Jackson

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter https://tawnylara.substack.com/ "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 276: Sports Betting + Tech Addiction with Carl Erik Fisher Jun 05, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk with Carl Erik Fisher, an addiction physician, bioethicist, person in recovery, and author of The Urge: Our History of Addiction. Carl recently wrote a powerful essay, The Price We Pay Betting on Sports, for The New York Times. They talk about sports betting, how it’s changed with 24/7 online availability and cultural normalization, as well as the associated risks and ways to address them.

Music Minute features audiobooks, EPIC: The Musical, and The Odyssey

Check out Carl’s Substack newsletter, Rat Park.

Find all things Carl at carlerikfisher.com

Check Carl out on Instagram and other socials @DrCarlErik

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 275: Artist Appreciation: Taylor Swift and Bruce Springsteen May 29, 2025

Show notes

What a dangerous time we live in when the President personally attacks artists for speaking against America’s current fascist regime. The Boss (Bruce Springsteen) spoke truth to power at a recent London show while Taylor Swift weathered another round of the President’s weird obsession with her. Tawny and Lisa talk about why they love both artists and how their music has impacted their recoveries. They discuss everything from Ryan Adams covering 1989 to Springsteen’s inspiration from Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger. And shout out to Neil Young, Eddie Vedder, Jack Antonoff, and all the artists out there speaking up!

Music Minute features both artists!

Check out Swift Steps

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Sign up for Tawny’s Writing Classes

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 274: Sober Summer: Beat the Heat Without a Drink May 22, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk about all things sober summer. Going on vacation or to parties where there will be booze and maybe pressure to drink? They’ve got you covered. Staying home without plans? They’ve got you covered, too. They share tips, tools, and options to make the most of the sunny season.

Music Minute features Sublime, Lana Del Ray, Dirty Head. Bananarama and Talking Heads

Sign up for Tawny’s Writing Classes

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

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