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Ever wonder what it’s like to go on your first sober date? Or survive a wedding without liquid courage? How about dancing stone-cold sober or dealing with your first breakup without wine?

If so, you’re in luck because you can join bestselling authors and longtime sober friends Lisa Smith and Anna David as they talk to guests—and each other—about addiction and recovery, including all the “firsts” that come with sober living. From awkward to amazing, cringe-worthy to surprisingly poignant, they’re discussing what it’s like to experience life without substances.

Lisa is the author of the award-winning memoir Girl Walks Out of a Bar, while Anna wrote Party Girl, a comic novel about addiction and recovery in the vein of Rachel’s Holiday and Postcards From the Edge. Together, they explore the real-life moments behind the kinds of stories that shape how people understand recovery.

Whether you’re newly sober, sober-curious or just want to hear some honest stories about recovery, Recovery Rocks is here for all of it.

Because as it turns out, when you can remember everything that happened, life gets a lot more interesting.

New episodes weekly. Real stories, real recovery, real talk.

Latest Episodes:

Episode 292: The End of an Era: Tawny’s Next Chapter and ‘Recovery Rocks’ Transitioning into ‘Sober Living’ Oct 02, 2025

Show notes

What would the last Recovery Rocks episode be without a focus on music? Tawny and Lisa talk all about the role music plays in their recovery and their lives in general. Tawny talks about seeing some of her favorite bands over the summer as research for her next (music-themed!) book project. The ladies extend all their gratitude and love to the listeners over the last seven years. Stick around on this feed for Sober Living, the new podcast Lisa will co-host with OG recovery queen, Anna David.

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter https://tawnylara.substack.com/ "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Check out and support Road Recovery

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 291: Sober Entrepreneurship and Evolving as Artists with Chris Marshall Sep 25, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk with their friend Chris Marshall, the creator of Sans Bar, the first non-alcoholic bar in North America. Sans Bar broke new ground in creating IRL sober spaces and providing support for soberpreneurs. They talk about how getting sober is an act of liberation, and Chris shares how his sobriety has led to all kinds of personal revelations and creativity. They also talk about his memoir, Faster Than Light.

Music Minute features Vivaldi’s “Seasons,” Mozart, Laufey’s bossa nova, and alt country

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 290: The Evolution of NA Drinks with Laura Silverman Sep 18, 2025

Show notes

Laura Silverman, cartographer and creator of Zero Proof Nation, a global map of non-alcoholic bars and bottle shops, joins Tawny and Lisa for a stroll down memory lane. They talk about the non-alcoholic drink movement and how far it has come in the last seven years.

Music Minute features outlaw country music, Emily Nenni and Joshua Hedley

Sign up for Laura’s Substack

Find Laura on Instagram and LinkedIn

Check out Clean Cause

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 289: Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes—What’s Next for Tawny and Lisa After 7 Years of Recovery Rocks Sep 11, 2025

Show notes

After seven years and nearly 300 episodes, Tawny and Lisa are saying goodbye to Recovery Rocks. But they’re not going anywhere! Lisa will still be in this podcast feed with a new show, Sober Living, along with OG recovery queen Anna David. And Tawny will be everywhere with her non-al spirit, (parentheses), writing classes and coaching, and a new book in the works! They look back on the show and look forward into the future.

Music Minute features RuPaul’s Drag Race and The Beatles

Order The Sobriety Deck

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Sign up for Tawny’s Writing Classes

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 288: (Rebroadcast) Episode 202: Sobriety & Money with Special Guest Jill Sirianni, LCSW of Frugal Friends Podcast Sep 04, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa interview Jill Sirianni, co-host of the podcast Frugal Friends, which aims to change how we think about frugality. It does not mean being cheap. Frugal living intersects with minimalism, simple living and sustainability. Many of us have financial stress, often left over from when we abused substances. They talk about how practicing curiosity around finances can help identify priorities in developing a plan.

Music Minute features Thrice.

Check out Frugal Friends podcast website, which also offers a newsletter and free tools.

Find Frugal Friends on Instagram.

This episode is sponsored by the sober entrepreneurs at Sour Humanoid vinegar. Add a splash of these artisanal vinegars to your dinner to brighten up the flavor of your protein and veggies. Order a bottle today at sourhumanoid.com and follow them at @sourhumanoid.

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 287: (Rebroadcast) Episode 218: Recovery Rock Stars: Art Alexakis of Everclear Aug 28, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk to Art Alexakis, frontman for Everclear, one of the defining bands of the 1990s, still going strong. Art has almost 35 years of recovery, living very much one day at a time. They talk about recovery and Art’s writing process, including the iconic song, “Father of Mine.” They also discuss what it takes to know when you’re done with drugs and alcohol, to ask for help, and to live in humility and gratitude.

Music Minute features Everclear and The Beatles

Check out all things Everclear

Find Art on Instagram

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 286: (Rebroadcast) Episode 223: People Pleasing is Over Aug 21, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk about Tawny’s recent Beyond Liquid Courage newsletter, "People Pleasing is Over." She learned through years of recovery and therapy that her people-pleasing is tied to her codependency. Lisa learned in early recovery that if she didn’t stop always trying to please others, she wasn’t going to be able to stay sober. People pleasing is more nuanced than just doing something for a loved one because you want to. It’s about doing something for someone else because you fear disappointing them at the risk of your own mental and physical health. Oh, an apparently Anne Hathaway’s done with people pleasing, too!

Music Minute features Ricky Nelson and Jay-Z with Linkin Park.

Check out the Anne Hathaway's interview with The New York Times.

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for Tawny’s newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Sign up for Nonfiction Book Proposal 101 with Tawny here.

Sign up for Tawny’s Nonfiction Book Proposal Boot Camp here.

Order Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 285: (Rebroadcast) Episode 230: Addiction is a Family Disease Aug 14, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk about addiction as a family disease. Whether it’s with your birth family or your chosen family (or both!), healing individually and as unit can break cycles of addiction and unhealthy behaviors. They both talk about their experiences with their families and how it’s an imperfect journey that never really ends.

Music Minute features Sister Sledge, Everclear, The Killers and Billie Eilish.

Find support at Al-Anon and Co-Dependents Anonymous.

Tawny recommends these books on boundaries and codependency: The Origins of You, Set Boundaries, Find Peace, The Book of Boundaries

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Sign up for Tawny’s Nonfiction Book Proposal Boot Camp here.

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 284: (Rebroadcast) Episode 238: “Drunk on Film” with Ted Mandell Aug 07, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk with Ted Mandell, Associate Teaching Professor at the University of Notre Dame’s Department of Film, Television, and Theatre. Tawny has been a guest speaker for Ted’s class, “Drunk on Film: The Psychology of Storytelling with Alcohol and its Effects on Alcohol Consumption.” They talk about the reasons kids drink more when they get to college, the persistence of the excessive drinking culture, and ways to reframe how students think about alcohol.

Music Minute features a one-week course Ted taught with Rock n Roll Hall of Fame inductee Todd Rundgren.

Check out the PBS Newshour feature about “Drunk on Film.”

Check out the Drunk on Film website

Preorder The Sobriety Deck

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 283: (Rebroadcast) Episode 242: Dry Month 101 with Hilary Sheinbaum Jul 31, 2025

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk with Hilary Sheinbaum about her new workbook, GOING DRY: A Practical Guide to Drinking Less and Living More.The workbook takes readers through all phases of a sober or sober-curious journey, ranging from assessing your relationship with drinking to setting realistic expectations to discovering new experiences that bring you joy without booze.

Music Minute features Sabrina Carpenter, Taylor Swift, and Flow State on Substack

Get GOING DRY: A Practical Guide to Drinking Less and Living More

Get The Dry Challenge: How to Lose the Booze for Dry January, Sober October, and Any Other Alcohol-Free Month

Check out Hilary’s TED Talk, Dry Dating: Why and How

Check out Hilary’s GoingDry.co event series.

Find Hilary on IG: @hilarywritesny and @goingdry.co

More on socials: #goingdrybook

Preorder The Sobriety Deck

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze.

Sign up for Tawny’s newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Order Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

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