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Web Awesome Has Landed: Here’s How to Stop Starting From Scratch Nov 13, 2025

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Episode Summary
What does it really take to ship something as powerful, polished, and downright magical as Web Awesome? In this episode of Podcast Awesome, Matt sits down with Lindsay and Cory, the dynamic duo behind the official launch of Web Awesome. Together, they peel back the curtain on how the team brought a customizable design system to life (without summoning any cursed CSS incantations).
From the slick Theme Builder to the deeply thoughtful Figma integration, from production-ready patterns to future-forward prototyping dreams, this convo is packed with insights for devs, designers, and nerds of all kinds. Get the scoop on stretch goals, community feedback, and why starting with a “sh*tty first draft” is actually a power move.
Oh! And they may or may not be plotting a future where we don’t even need Figma anymore. Gasp!
What We Cover in This Episode:
🛠 The design magic behind the Theme Builder
🎨 Patterns and why you shouldn’t reinvent the checkout form
🧩 The current state of Figma files — and where they’re headed
🧪 Bridging the gap between prototyping and real code
🔮 A sneak peek at future stretch goal components (hello, toasts and video!)
⚡ How Web Awesome + Eleventy = your new dream dev stack
🗣 Why your newbie feedback matters more than you think
Timestamps
00:00 – Welcome & introductions
01:45 – Life after launch: relief or revving up?
03:30 – Making the Theme Builder powerful and friendly
05:40 – Patterns that just work (and why that's a good thing)
07:30 – Balancing usability and delightful surprises
08:15 – Figma files, MVP vibes, and real feedback
10:20 – The future of theming via Figma plugins
12:00 – Stretch goal components: what’s shipped and what’s next
14:30 – Why prototyping with code might replace Figma
16:45 – Web Awesome meets Eleventy: the ultimate team-up
19:00 – Templates, page builders, and lowering the barrier to entry
20:30 – Why new users’ feedback is gold
22:00 – How to connect with the team & share your experience
Links & Resources
🌐 [Web Awesome](https://webawesome.com)
📣 [Join the Community](https://webawesome.com/community)
🧵 [GitHub Discussions](https://github.com/webawesome/webawesome/discussions)
📬 Email: [help@webawesome.com](mailto:help@webawesome.com) / [hello@webawesome.com](mailto:hello@webawesome.com)
💬 Join us on Discord – link on the community page!
🧠 Learn more about [Jacob’s Law](https://lawsofux.com/jakobs-law/)
🎁 Don’t forget: 20% off Web Awesome Pro until Nov 19th!

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WordPress Just Got Awesome (Again) – Font Awesome Plugin v5 Deep Dive with Mike Wilkerson Nov 04, 2025

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Episode Summary:

We're heading back to the basement — (sort of). In this episode, Matt catches up with Mike Wilkerson, the OG guest of Podcast Awesome, to unveil the biggest update yet to the official Font Awesome WordPress plugin. From block editor visual support to full-on SVG injection wizardry (yes, that’s a thing), this version is all about giving developers and designers more power, more precision, and fewer plugin conflicts.

Whether you’re a WordPress purist or a page builder rebel, you’ll walk away knowing how to get your icons looking sharp, staying pro, and loading like a dream.

🧠 What We Cover in This Episode:

🔌 The origin story of the plugin (and the furnace that helped launch it)
🧱 Full block editor visual editing support (finally WYSIWYG!)
🛠️ SVG injection + self-hosting benefits
🛡️ How to squash plugin conflicts like a pro
🔍 Page builder struggles—and what might be coming next
🤝 How to send feedback to actual humans™ at Font Awesome

⏱️ Timestamps:

00:00 – Basement beginnings & podcast nostalgia
02:00 – WordPress + Font Awesome: how widespread is it?
04:00 – Why Version 5 is a game-changer
06:00 – How inline SVGs improve performance and reduce conflict
08:00 – Self-hosting benefits & advanced options
10:00 – When to load (or not load) your kit
12:00 – Compatibility tips for older content
14:00 – What’s next for FA + WordPress
16:00 – How to give feedback to actual humans™

🔗 Links & Resources:

Official Font Awesome WordPress Plugin
Using Kits with WordPress
Conflict Detection & Troubleshooting
Email us: hello@fontawesome.com

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Living the Dream: Dan Cederholm's Creative Journey [Part 2] | Podcast Awesome Oct 30, 2025

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🧠 What do LEGO logos, hand-puppet dreams, citrus gadgets, and naming things "Turbo" have in common? They're all part of Dan Cederholm’s design universe — and part of this wide-ranging, joy-filled second half of our conversation.
In this episode, Dan returns to talk about:
• Embracing constraints as a creative fuel source
• Naming fonts after misspelled words (because ... domains)
• The delightful hellscape of naming anything in tech
• Why imposter syndrome might actually be useful
• And how a puppet changed everything at Font Awesome 🧡
🎧 It’s a show-and-tell episode full of unexpected design wisdom, warm fuzzies, and orange peelers.
What We Cover in This Episode:
• 🧠 Dan’s creative process: one font at a time
• 🚫 Naming things is still the hardest problem in tech
• 🐀 The birth of the Font Possum Puppet
• 🧃 The power of a really good citrus squeezer
• 🤖 Why AI can’t fake taste (yet)
• 💌 Why Dan's newsletter works (and yours could too)
• 😵‍💫 Making peace with imposter syndrome
• 🧩 Why being weird is a superpower
⏱️ Timestamps
00:00 – Intro
01:15 – The creative process of typeface design
04:04 – Naming fonts is a nightmare
06:05 – The importance of naming & branding
12:25 – Imposter syndrome in the creative industry
18:15 – A puppet changed everything
22:31 – Why a newsletter is like old-school blogging
29:03 – Orange peelers, joy, and the power of small specificity
37:17 – The impact of creativity
38:14 – Building community through creativity
41:16 – Wrap up with Dan Cederholm
42:24 – Final Thoughts & Credits
📌 Links & Resources
• Dan Cederholm → https://simplebits.com
• Dan's newsletter → https://simplebits.com/newsletter
• Turbo Typeface → https://simplebits.com/fonts
• Font Possum cameo → [FontAwesome YouTube Channel]
• BrickLink Studio (Lego design app) → https://www.bricklink.com/v3/studio

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Living the Dream: Dan Cederholm's Creative Journey (Part 1) Oct 14, 2025

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Summary

Designer, author, and co-founder of Dribbble, Dan Cederholm joins Podcast Awesome to chat with Matt Johnson and Jory Raphael about finding joy in creativity later in life, making fonts just for fun, and the art of embracing imperfection. From typefaces and merch to dice games and design detours, Dan shares how side projects, constraints, and a healthy dose of curiosity keep the creative spark alive.

This two-part conversation is full of laughter, nostalgia, and lessons about learning new things just because they’re fun. You’ll walk away inspired to make something— anything — awesome.

Key Takeaways

Creativity thrives in curiosity: Dan reminds us that learning new things (even outside your job) can reignite your creative energy.
Constraints fuel originality: Sometimes not knowing everything — or having limited tools — can sometimes help create the most human, interesting work.
Merch can tell a story: From fonts to dice games, playful side projects become part of a designer’s personal brand.
Imperfection = personality: The best designs often come with flaws that make them real, memorable, and relatable.
Spend time not doing your job: Font Awesome’s team philosophy — creativity grows when you step outside your usual sandbox.

Timestamps

00:00 — Introduction and catching up with Dan Cederholm
02:00 — Typefaces as creative puzzles
06:00 — The joy of passion projects
10:00 — The first font and lessons from “Chameleon”
18:00 — The lineage of icon design and learning from imperfection
26:00 — Failures, Field Notes, and finding the next fun thing
30:00 — Creative constraints and the beauty of not knowing everything
36:00 — Humor, joy, and “making stuff that makes you laugh”
38:00 — The icons that exist just because they’re funny
42:00 — Hidden glyphs, zombie hands, and bonus icons in fonts
44:00 — Wrap-up and where to find Dan online

Related Links

SimpleBits.com
— Dan’s home for fonts, merch, and creative experiments
Dan’s Newsletter
— The one Font Awesome staffers never skip
Dribbble
— Co-founded by Dan, still inspiring designers everywhere

Credits

Produced and edited by Matt Johnson
Video editing by Isaac Chase
Theme music by Ronnie Martin
Interstitial music by Zach Malm

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How We Built Web Awesome with 11ty (and Why It’s So Fast) Sep 30, 2025

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Build once, run everywhere.
In this full-nerd, front-end-leaning episode of Podcast Awesome, Matt sits down with Zach Leatherman (creator of Eleventy) and Konnor Rogers (Web Awesome developer) to chat about how a static site generator just might be the key to building some of the most powerful, performant documentation on the web.

We dig deep into Eleventy’s evolution, Web Awesome’s hybrid architecture, and how a team of devs found a way to keep docs fast, flexible, and secure — without rewriting everything from scratch or giving up on open source values. Spoiler: they didn’t go full ExpressJS for fun.

Whether you’re a seasoned dev or a newb, this one's packed with insight, edge-case explorations, and some seriously satisfying build-time nerdery.

In this episode, we explore:

⚡️ Why Eleventy’s simplicity still scales
🧠 Making static sites feel dynamic (without a heavy JS framework)
🔐 How Web Awesome handles auth + private docs with minimal friction
🚫 Avoiding vendor lock-in and runtime gotchas
📦 The future of Eleventy in browsers, edge runtimes, and beyond

Pull up your terminal. This one’s for you.

🔗 Links & Credits

🎵 Theme by Ronnie Martin
🎛️ Audio mastering by Chris Enns (Lemon Productions)
🎹 Interstitial music by Zach Malm
🎥 Video support by Isaac Chase
🔗 Eleventy
🔗 Web Awesome

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Clippy Cult: The Paperclip That Wouldn’t Quit Sep 25, 2025

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Inside the UX lessons, internet lore, and surprising comeback of Clippy

Love him or loathe him, you remember him. Clippy — the googly-eyed paperclip that lived inside Microsoft Word — has become a permanent fixture in internet culture. But how did a productivity tool become the patron saint of annoying-yet-adorable UI? In this episode of Podcast Awesome, we’re digging into the cult of Clippy with behind-the-scenes insights from Clippy's original creator Kevan Atteberry and Microsoft designer Sam Cundall. From meme fame to Microsoft Teams emoji, Clippy's legacy is more layered than you think.

📝 What We Cover in This Episode:

📎 Why Clippy was loved and hated
🧠 The psychology of nostalgic design
🔁 When Microsoft secretly brought Clippy back
🤖 What Clippy might teach us about the future of AI assistants
✍️ thoughts on reviving legacy designs the right way

⏱️ Timestamps:
00:00 – Welcome to the Cult of Clippy
02:00 – The origin story: from helpful to hated
04:30 – Nostalgia and annoyance: why we love to hate him
06:00 – Microsoft’s secret Clippy emoji comeback
08:00 – What makes emoji design "work"?
10:00 – Fun at work: why weirdness builds culture
14:00 – The creator's take: Kevan Atteberry on designing Clippy
20:00 – From embarrassment to pride: Clippy's redemption arc
24:00 – Clippy vs. Siri: The rise of personality-driven UI
26:00 – Final thoughts: where personality fits in UX

🔗 Links & Resources:

Sam Kundal on LinkedIn
Kevan Atteberry's books
How to add a paperclip emoji to your UI
Vote a favorite icon up the leaderboard
🎥 Podcast Awesome on YouTube
🎶 The Font Awesome Theme Song – Composed by Ronnie Martin
🎸 Music Interstitials by Zach Malm
🎬 Produced and edited by Matt Johnson with some extra help from Isaac Chase

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🎙️ Rage Coding, Headless Web Components, and the Future of DX with Burton Smith Sep 17, 2025

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Have you ever rage-coded your way into building a developer tool that actually fixes things? Burton Smith has. And we’re here for it.

In this episode of Podcast Awesome, Matt and Web Awesome's boss, Cory Laviska chat with Burton Smith. Burton is an open source wizard and creator of the Web Components Toolkit, and he tells us about the gap between the promise of Web Components and the messy reality devs often face.

💻 Burton’s toolkit bridges that gap like Gandalf on a DX bender.

In this episode we dive into:
⚙️ Developer experience pain points
🧩 Custom Elements Manifests (CEMs) and real-world tooling
🎯 Form-associated custom elements, declarative shadow DOM, and why they still have rough edges
🚀 Why frameworks finally (mostly) play nice with Web Components
📦 How open source tools can fix the stuff we all silently suffer through
🧠 And why making components “just work” should be table stakes

This one’s for devs who are tired of wiring up wrappers, fighting with VS Code autocomplete, or wondering why their component still doesn’t show up right in Storybook.

✨ Bonus: We get a little spicy about SSR, headless UI, and whether a global design system is even a thing we want.

⏱️ Timestamps

00:00 – Welcome to Podcast Awesome
02:00 – Meet Burton Smith: The Stuff Breaker
04:00 – Why Web Components Tooling is (Still) a Pain
06:00 – Closing the Gap Between DX and Dev Reality
12:00 – CEMs, ASTs, and Metadata Magic
20:00 – Form-associated Custom Elements (and the Weird Gaps)
24:00 – Declarative Shadow DOM: Blessing or Band-Aid?
28:00 – SSR, Frameworks, and the Next Frontier
34:00 – Global Design Systems, Gatekeeping, and Interop
42:00 – Headless UI vs. Useless DX
44:00 – How to Support Burton + Where to Find the Toolkit

🔗 Links & Resources

🌐 Burton’s Toolkit: https://wc-toolkit.com
🧙‍♂️ Follow Burton on GitHub: https://github.com/Breakstuff
🐦 Burton on Social: @StuffBreaker
📄 Learn more about Custom Elements Manifest: https://github.com/webcomponents/custom-elements-manifest
🛠️ Web Awesome: https://webawesome.dev
🧡 Shoutout to all you open sourcers building magic after hours

🎥 Podcast Awesome on YouTube

🎶 The Font Awesome Theme Song – Composed by Ronnie Martin
🎸 Music Interstitials by Zach Malm
🎬 Produced and edited by Matt Johnson with some extra help from Isaac Chase

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🖇️ Podcast Awesome: The Story Behind the Stapler Icon Aug 19, 2025

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🔴 “Excuse me … I believe you have my stapler?”

One line. Infinite memes. A red-hot icon.

In this episode of The Story Behind the Icon, we dive deep into the surprisingly rich lore behind the humble office stapler — and how a cult classic film, a soft-spoken cubicle dweller, and a spray-painted prop turned it into a cultural artifact.

🎧 Whether you’ve got 37 pieces of flair or just enough sarcasm to survive corporate life, this one’s for the design nerds, Office Space devotees, and UI jokesters looking for the perfect button metaphor.

🔍 What We Cover in This Episode

🔴 The origin story of Milton’s beloved red stapler
🎞️ Mike Judge’s animated roots and early Office Space shorts
💻 Remote work, legacy office gear, and the evolution of workplace design
🧑‍💼 Font Awesome’s very own “Milton” and the logic behind the madness
🎨 How to recreate Milton’s soul in HTML with our duotone icon
🎬 The real reason Swingline started making red staplers

⏰ Timestamps

00:00 – Welcome to Podcast Awesome
01:25 – A new take on the old office
02:40 – Meet Milton: The patron saint of passive resistance
04:20 – Mike Judge: From Beavis and Butthead to box office satire
05:55 – The stapler becomes an icon
06:35 – Meet FA’s own Milton (Hi, Steve 👋)
07:20 – Grumpiness as UI insight
08:05 – Milton’s stapler wasn’t red... until it was
09:00 – Design challenge: Where will you use the stapler icon?
09:50 – Commission your own icon or vote one into existence
10:30 – Credits and a final plea: Return. The. Stapler.

🔗 Links & Resources

🖇️ Stapler Icon on Font Awesome
📽️ Office Space (1999)
🎨 Vote for an icon on the leaderboard
📝 FA Blog: The Story Behind the Icon Series

🎥 Podcast Awesome on YouTube – Full uncut convo with extra music nerdiness
🎶 The Font Awesome Theme Song – Composed by Ronnie Martin
🎸 Music Interstitials by Zach Malm
🎬 Produced and edited by Matt Johnson

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Invisible Creature’s Don Clark on Nostalgia, Iconography, and Staying Human Jul 29, 2025

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Designing Joy: Don Clark of Invisible Creature on Creativity, Collectibles & Culture

In this episode of Podcast Awesome, Matt hangs out with legendary designer Don Clark of Invisible Creature to dive into the analog soul of digital design. From their punk rock roots and Grammy-nominated album covers to art directing for Seattle’s swankiest restaurant, Don and his brother Ryan have created work you’ve seen —whether you know it or not.

They discuss growing up with a NASA illustrator grandpa, how nostalgia fuels creativity, the value of physical objects in a swipe-and-scroll world, and how a sibling-run design studio rides the waves of industry change. It’s a masterclass in storytelling, aesthetics, and sneaky inspiration.

Plus, Don once designed a 7-story mural for Newark Airport that one construction worker told him no one would ever notice. Art, meet irony.

✨ What We Cover in This Episode

🚀 Grandpa drew spaceships for NASA — no big deal
🎸 From hardcore zines to Grammy-nominated album art
🧸 Why physical objects still matter (even in a scroll-y, swipey world)
😊 Nostalgia, and the purposeful creation of joy
🏠 Turning a love of toys and typography into brand work for Target, Canlis, and more
🏄🏻‍♂️ Creating a career by riding the wave (not controlling it)
👾 How Invisible Creature got its name — and why most people don’t realize they’ve seen their work
🍽️ Art direction in fine dining, and designing for iconic spaces

⏱️ Timestamps

[00:01:00] – Don’s creative upbringing & grandpa's NASA work
[00:04:00] – From punk flyers to full-time design
[00:08:00] – Physical design in a digital world
[00:12:00] – Object design, collectibles, and vintage influence
[00:16:00] – Tapping nostalgia the right way
[00:20:00] – Album covers, influence, and desktop publishing
[00:24:00] – The decline of CDs & the rise of gig posters
[00:28:00] – The challenges (and joys) of working with family
[00:32:00] – Canlis restaurant and entering the fine dining space
[00:36:00] – Creating inspiring physical spaces
[00:38:00] – Why “Invisible Creature” is the perfect name
[00:42:00] – Good design as invisible, objective experience
[00:44:00] – Designing stamps, murals, and children’s Bibles
[00:46:00] – Streamlining creativity after 25 years in the biz
[00:48:00] – Wrapping up and why riding the wave matters

🔗 Links & Resources

Invisible Creature
Mind Reader Music – Album packaging by Ryan Clark & Kevin Moore
Canlis – Seattle fine dining where Don is art director
Art of the Incredibles Book – Don’s favorite Pixar art book
Podcast Awesome on YouTube – Full uncut convo with extra music nerdiness
The Font Awesome Theme Song – Composed by Ronnie Martin
Music Interstitials by Zach Malm
Audio mastering by Chris Enns at Lemon Productions
Produced and edited by Matt Johnson

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Behind the Icon: Cowbell-Circle-Plus Jul 24, 2025

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💥 A Podcast Awesome Deep Cut

Episode Description:

🛎️ Guess what? We got a fever … and the only prescription is … well, you know. In this very special episode of Podcast Awesome, we hit pause on our usual tech-and-icon-nerdery to unleash a full-throttle ode to one of the wackiest icons in our set: Cowbell Circle Plus.

What starts as a nod to the legendary SNL sketch featuring Will Ferrell and Christopher Walken (The Bruce Dickinson, thank you very much), quickly turns into a globetrotting, time-hopping, cultural deep dive through the unexpected history of the humble cowbell. From medieval Irish cow raids 🐄⚔️ to German cowbell zoning laws 📏🔔 to the altars of rock and roll 🥁🎸, we unpack how this sonic sidekick moo-ved (hehe) from pasture to punchline.

Plus: Icon Designer extraordinaire Jory Rafael stops by to share how we brought the Cowbell icon to life (spoiler: it did not involve raiding any farms).

🧀 What We Cover in This Episode:

🐄 Cowbell as medieval emergency alert system

🏴‍☠️ Cattle raids and why your cow needed anti-theft bells in 12th century Ireland

🛠️ The surprising craftsmanship behind cowbells (hello, zoning laws!)

🌍 How cowbells show up in global rituals

🎶 The greatest cowbell moments in music — from Foghat to KISS to the Beastie Boys

😂 The SNL sketch that made “More Cowbell” the rallying cry for comedy nerds everywhere

🔤 Behind-the-scenes with the FA team: how we turned “More Cowbell” into an icon

🤘 A lightning round of underappreciated cowbell bangers

⏱️ Timestamps:

00:00 – Welcome to the Weird World of Cowbell
01:15 – SNL Meets SVG: The Inspiration Behind the Icon
02:30 – History Lesson: Cowbells as Analog GPS
04:20 – Cattle Raids, Irish Wars, and Why Your Cow Needed Protection
06:10 – Cowbell Zoning Laws? Yep, That Was a Thing
07:00 – Superstition, Spirit-Banishing & Ceremonial Bells
08:15 – Enter: The Iconic More Cowbell Sketch (2000, SNL)
09:00 – Icon Deep Dive with Jory Rafael
10:20 – Musical Cowbell Moments You Didn’t Know You Needed
11:30 – Wrap-up & Credits Roll Like a Cow in a Parade

🔗 Links & Resources:

Cowbell Circle Plus Icon on Font Awesome
More Cowbell SNL Sketch (NBC)
Cattle Raid of Cooley (Wikipedia)
Alex Poiry makes an appearance as the medieval town council.
Music shoutouts: Foghat, Beastie Boys, KISS, Judas Priest, Queen, Thin Lizzy, and more
Credits: Matt Johnson (host + producer), Ronnie Martin (theme song), Zach Malm (music interstitials), Chris Enns @ Lemon Productions (mastering), Isaac Chase (video edit magic)

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