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    Alternative Health

    Plant Cunning Podcast

    Plant Cunning Podcast brings together people wise to the ways of plants, fungi, healing practices, & the natural world to explore the mysteries of Nature. Co-Hosted by astrologer, gardener & musician, Isaac Hill and herbalist & educator A.C. Stauble-Hill. We invite herbalists, mages, mycologists, gardeners, community organizers, healers, spiritual seekers & all kinds of other interesting people to the microphone to share their wisdom. We like to bridge different worlds, make connections, inspire, and at times, have our minds blown by our amazing guests. Enjoy!

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    Ep. 246: Fall Forecast '26 with ZamboniFunk Sep 23, 2026
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    ZamboniFunk is back to talk fall forecast 2026! We talk about conference season, the effects of the eclipse season we just went through, the Venus and Mercury retrogrades, Jupiter-Mars-Ketu conjunction, and a little weather prediction.


    Ep. 245: Wild Medicine with Ali English Sep 16, 2026
    Show notes

    Today on the Plant Cunning Podcast we talk with UK herbalist and teacher Ali English, author of Wild Medicine (Aeon Books), about her path from childhood gardening and Culpeper’s Herbal to formal training and later teaching in the Lincoln College herbal medicine degree program. Ali describes how the course is structured (therapeutics, anatomy and physiology, evidence and critical thinking, pharmacy/community practice, and intensive clinical training and exams), and discusses gaps like limited outdoor time. She explains her practical approach to medicine making (teas, syrups, salves, tinctures, decoctions, and combined extracts), her interest in energetics, planetary correspondences, and hedge-witch “small magics,” and how she evaluates plant associations through both tradition and experience. The conversation also covers plants like knapweed, scabious, rosebay willowherb/fireweed, and blue flag, plus dosing differences between the UK and US, and Ali's upcoming projects, consultations, workshops, and mentoring.

    00:00 Meet Ali English

    00:36 Finding the Plant Path

    04:35 Early Herb Books

    05:55 Training at Lincoln College

    06:43 Making Herbal Remedies

    08:37 Inside the Degree Program

    11:54 Clinical Exams and Practice

    15:15 Fieldwork and Plant ID

    18:12 Why Write Wild Medicine

    24:02 Witchcraft and Energetics

    28:41 Planetary Plant Links

    31:38 Local Herbs Over Imports

    33:23 Harvesting Knapweed Medicine

    34:18 Decoction and Double Extracts

    36:48 Astrology in Tincture Craft

    38:59 Knapweed as Liver Tonic

    39:57 Fireweed Uses and Fermented Tea

    43:26 Blue Flag Dosing and Trauma

    45:53 Why Herbal Dosage Differs in the UK and the US

    52:30 Teaching Energetics in Clinic

    55:30 New Projects and Offerings

    57:19 Consults Workshops and Farewell


    Ep. 244: Dreaming, Herbalism, & Embodied Learning, with Kimberly Gallagher & Lauren Morgan Sep 02, 2026
    Show notes

    Today Isaac & AC welcome herbalists Kimberly Gallagher of LearningHerbs and Lauren Morgan of Herbs & Dreams to the show. Lauren recounts starting with a botanical medicine apprenticeship and now runs a community practice, circles, an apprenticeship, and the Herbs & Dreams podcast, weaving dreams into herbal work. Kimberly describes learning herbs alongside her late husband John through apprenticeships and family healing, then building LearningHerbs with remedy kits, Wildcraft, and Herb Fairies. They discuss Kimberly’s book The Aphrodisiac and a broadened view of aphrodisiacs (including nervines and nutritives like damiana, oats/oatstraw, rose, cacao, fenugreek), plus plant dreaming, dream incubation (including mugwort), nightmares, and notable plant dreams (marshmallow and hawthorn). They introduce their 7-week course Rhythms & Relationships (Rhythms and Relationships: A Feminine Way Into Herbalism), starting the last Saturday in September, with weekly modules and live sessions, and share how it was inspired by Lauren’s dreams.

    00:00 Podcast Welcome

    01:01 Plant Path Origins

    03:16 Learning Herbs Journey

    06:50 Herbal Sensuality Work

    11:38 Rhythms Course Vision

    16:20 Circles Moon Lodge Rites

    18:31 Meeting During Covid

    21:02 Dream Weaving Course Birth

    25:32 Dreaming With Mugwort

    31:16 Plant Dreams Marshmallow Hawthorn

    36:47 The Generosity of Hawthorn

    37:58 Dream Incubation Basics

    38:43 Dream Rattle Ritual

    41:47 Why Dreams Matter

    43:45 Nightmares as Medicine

    48:40 Scary Plant Dreams

    52:22 Reciprocity With Plants

    54:18 Embodied Learning Path

    01:00:43 Course Logistics

    01:05:15 Who This Course Serves

    01:08:37 Links And Farewell


    Ep. 243: Temperament & Graeco-Arabic Medicine with Cameron Allen Aug 26, 2026
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    On this episode of the Plant Cunning Podcast, herbalist and astrologer Cameron Allen returns to discuss his recent travels and to share updates on his ongoing studies in Ayurveda and Unani Tibb. Cameron explains Unani Tibb as Greco-Arabic (Greek) medicine, clarifying the distinctions between elements, temperaments (mizaaj), and humors, and emphasizes temperament as a dynamic intermixture shaped by environment, time, and life experience. The conversation explores why blending medical and astrological systems can create confusion, how modern astrology often reduces meaning to psychology, and why coherence and consulting skills matter. They examine North American “dryness” as a cultural and lifestyle pattern, discuss practical ways to work with melancholic imbalance and grief, and Cameron previews his upcoming UAC talks on luminaries in medical astrology and remedy-generation approaches.00:00 Welcome Back Cameron00:32 Summer Travels And Retreat01:36 Embodied Sexual Leadership03:32 Ayurveda And Unani Studies06:42 What Is Unani Tibb10:34 Modern Western Astrology Debate14:34 Mixing Systems In Herbalism19:22 Coherence And Elemental Language22:19 Temperament As Intermixture26:19 Core Vs Changing Constitution29:31 Environment As Medicine32:51 Consulting Skills And Teaching Vision36:12 Why We Get Dry38:08 Diet and Drying Foods38:38 Hot vs Cold Metabolism40:17 Reading Dryness in Charts42:38 Purging and Nourishing Traditions44:41 Warming Melancholic Gently48:14 Grief as Melancholic Medicine50:38 Helping Grief Move Through53:31 Saturn and Grief Mastery56:20 Temperaments Elements Humors58:57 Body Types by Temperament01:01:27 Planetary Degrees and Venus01:04:03 Planets as Elemental Landscapes01:05:35 Moon Layers Explained01:06:23 Moon Phases Temperament01:08:46 Physiognomy Rising Signs01:11:43 Reading Bodies Nonverbal01:15:14 Movement Practice Evolution01:18:34 Astrology Community Healing01:23:35 UAC Talks Preview01:26:33 Honest Synthesis Ahead01:28:56 Closing Thanks


    Ep. 242: Becoming Mushrooms with Madison Murphy Barney Aug 12, 2026
    Show notes

    Today on the Plant Cunning Podcast we welcome Madison Murphy Barney—doula, two-spirit Indigenous sister, public health storyteller, and author of Our Ancestors Want Us to Be Mushrooms: Wisdom for Living in Balance with the Planet and Each Other. Madison shares how mushrooms offer blueprints for reconnecting with ourselves, community, and the planet through traits like connection, decomposition, adaptability, and humility, emphasizing moving forward with “original instructions” rather than trying to return to the past. They discuss relating to ecosystems anywhere (including cities) through curiosity and noticing, mushrooms’ role in composting and rebuilding systems, and how doula work applies beyond birth and death to divorce, career change, and other transitions by honoring grief, support networks, and cycles. Madison also mentions ceremony, favorite mushrooms, and where to find her work online.

    01:19 Meet Madison and Book Launch

    02:27 Plant Path Origins

    04:05 Why Be Mushrooms

    06:26 City Nature Connection

    09:00 Why Mushrooms Matter

    12:53 Doula Calling and Expansion

    17:20 Guiding Change and Grief

    22:38 Ancestral and More-than-Human Support

    24:33 Living in Cycles28:51 Cycles and Comfort

    29:27 Native Plants Debate

    30:37 Love of Place

    32:05 Mushrooms and Protection

    33:33 Adaptability and Neighbors

    37:18 Humility in Ecosystems

    42:01 Fungi Favorites Today

    44:13 What Comes Next

    45:25 Who the Book Is For

    47:25 Connecting and Closing


    Ep. 241: Telesmanica with Christopher Warnock Aug 07, 2026
    Show notes

    Today on Plant Cunning, Christopher Warnock returns to discuss his new book, Telesmanica, an comprehensive, operative manual of astrological magic. He explains how the book expands beyond technique into worldview, methodology, causality, and the internal logic behind elections, arguing that many contemporary approaches are “bricolage,” mixing techniques without coherent structure or testing. Warnock contrasts modern atheistic materialism with traditional spiritual-first worldviews, using models like ecological “patterning” and mapping to explain how models are tested for usefulness. He outlines his approach to talismans—prioritizing timing, images, and mathematical ratios over materials—emphasizing practical constraints, rigorous selection of key chart factors, and a devotional practice focused on relationship with celestial spirits rather than guaranteed outcomes.

    01:04 Why did Christopher Warnock write Telesmanica?

    08:59 Worldview and Spiritual Reality

    15:02 Models, Meaning and Belief

    26:40 Bricolage in Modern Astrology

    33:20 Astrology as Language and Intuition

    37:32 Getting Readings Wrong

    38:25 When Magic Doesn’t Fit

    39:17 Worldview and Causality

    40:10 What a Talisman Is

    41:05 Picking the Right Election

    42:41 In Picatrix, Context Matters

    45:50 The Cookbook Perspective

    52:57 Devotional Angel Practice

    54:46 Reality Warping and Limits

    56:02 Camouflage Magic Explained

    57:54 Modern Anxiety and Ritual

    59:10 Problematic Images and Archetypes

    01:02:16 Ducks and Spiritual Freedom

    01:08:24 Hermetic Lineage History

    01:12:52 Reviving a Lost Tradition

    01:15:16 Robert Zoller's Advice

    01:16:10 Daily Devotional Power

    01:17:09 Tradition Beyond Social Media

    01:18:36 What Traditional Really Means

    01:20:20 Medieval Renaissance Lineage

    01:23:32 Applying vs Separating Aspects

    01:24:58 Bricolage and Chart Noise

    01:26:28 Meta Perspective and Meaning

    01:30:00 Why does Christopher Warnock prioritize election and image over materials in the creation of talismans?

    01:32:35 Occult Virtue and Platonic Ideas

    01:36:43 Practical Talisman Use and Care

    01:41:58 Meaning, Nihilism, and Collapse

    01:45:37 Preserving Esoteric Texts in an age of Decline

    01:47:20 Consciousness Beyond Humanity


    Ep. 240: William Padilla-Brown Jul 21, 2026
    Show notes

    Plant Cunning Conference – In-Person in New York – July 24-26, 2026

    MycoSymbiotics Mushroom & Art Festival July 29- August 2d, 2026Today on the podcast, AC & Isaac Hill interview mushroom citizen scientist and community builder William Padilla-Brown about his path into mycology, from early curiosity about consciousness and “plant medicine” to diet-driven health struggles that pushed him into growing his own food, foraging, and functional mushrooms. He credits discovering online superfood and medicinal-mushroom content (including David Avocado Wolfe) as a turning point, then explains how mushroom videos took off on YouTube and led him to start MycoSymbiotics and launch MycoFest in 2015 to create a lasting community and legacy for his family. Will recounts cultivating cordyceps after finding a specimen at the first festival, rejecting the idea that it was “impossible,” and learning through observation—treating life as a readable language. He describes MycoSymbiotics’ cutting edge work: wild strain selection, DNA barcoding, cultivation, extraction, third‑party analytics, and making potent products affordable. The conversation also covers ecological literacy through mushrooms, conservation concerns like Pine Barrens development and matsutake habitat loss, the importance and diversity of native truffles (including training a dog to find tuber canaliculatum), aroma as a form of “medicine,” modern distraction and nervous-system hijacking, and adapting to AI by leaning into uniquely human creativity. He closes with MycoFest details (first weekend of August; July 31–Aug 2; MycoFest.net; Artemis, PA; code MYCOMMUNITY), plus MycoSymbiotics sites, classes, a farmer co‑op, and local projects.

    00:00 Meet William Padilla-Brown

    01:55 Origins in Plant Medicine

    06:03 Health Wake Up Call

    09:09 David Wolfe and Medicinals

    11:28 Myco Symbiote to MycoFest

    13:12 Nothing Is Impossible

    15:30 Learning From Living Signs

    21:05 Mycology Cutting Edge Today

    23:44 Matsutake and Habitat Threats

    25:29 Truffles as Ecological Gateway

    27:16 Native Truffles in Pennsylvania

    30:14 Truffles and Sensory Depth

    30:41 Overstimulation and Numbness

    31:54 Aroma as Medicine

    33:58 Capitalism and Responsibility

    36:16 Distraction Casino Reality

    38:53 Using the System for Good

    40:53 Social Media and Rage Bait

    44:27 AI Music and Human Spark

    48:55 MycoFest and Community Wrap


    Ep. 239: Dreaming Herbs & Scientific Inquiry into Astrology with Will Morris Jul 15, 2026
    Show notes

    Today on the Plant Cunning Podcast, Isaac and AC welcome back Will Morris, PhD, DAOM, MSEd, LAc, RH, a interdisciplinary healer and scholar whose work spans traditional Western and Vedic astrology, Chinese medicine, pulse diagnosis, sound healing, and education. Will explains his compulsive, spiritually driven path across traditions and how transdisciplinary study reveals shared underlying structures, including medical frameworks of location, process, and severity and recurring 12-fold patterns across nature and culture. He critiques mainstream scientific testing of astrology as method-driven, politically shaped, and often logically flawed, arguing the right assessment depends on the question and may require qualitative approaches. The conversation explores intuition, divination versus science, horary use in clinical settings, dreamwork and oneirobotany, mugwort’s shamanic origins, catnip’s “wind” associations, and Will’s upcoming books, including Evidence Ecology: Science and Astrology.

    02:10 Why Study Many Traditions?

    03:39 Life Path Music to Astrology

    08:36 The Benefits of Transdisciplinary Studies

    12:00 The Science Industry and Astrology

    13:13 Is Astrology Divination or Science?

    19:31 Testing Astrology Properly

    27:59 Clinical Astrology in Practice

    31:07 Book of Dreams and Yesod

    32:48 Dreamwork Pulse and Herbs

    36:59 Sedative Herbs Mix

    37:10 Catnip and Wind Pathology

    39:08 Eight Winds and Charts

    40:32 Wind as Science Debate

    41:23 Dream Plants: Mugwort

    42:17 Dybbuk Clearing Story

    44:58 Artemisia and Dreamwork

    49:08 Cycles and Plant Motion

    51:47 Pan Celestial Thesis

    01:01:24 Land, Climate and Relocation

    01:05:16 Universalism vs Relativism

    01:08:15 Books and Future Projects

    01:13:45 Closing Thanks


    Ep. 238: Ceremonial Magic in Mexico with Jorge Nájera Jul 08, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode of the Plant Cunning Podcast, Isaac and AC interview Jorge Nájera in Guadalajara about Mexico’s ceremonial magic scene and his role leading the Fraternidad del Círculo Dorado (Circulo Dorado Web) a mystical and magical school founded in 1986. Najera recounts how a small study group grew through work with BOTA, Golden Dawn-style ritual, Freemasonry, and later affiliation with the Servants of the Light (SOL) lineage of Dion Fortune and Dolores Ashcroft-Nowicki. He describes meeting Ashcroft-Nowicki, trips to Egypt, learning to build an “astral temple” and inner contacts, then adapting SOL material for Spanish-speaking students by creating their own structured curriculum centered on astrology, Hermetic and Sephardic Kabbalah, and coherent symbolism. He explains the school’s three-degree model, its emphasis on lived experience and service, and how COVID shifted much of their work online, including new digital tools.

    01:04 Meet Jorge in Guadalajara

    01:55 Founding the School in 1986

    03:08 Early Growth

    05:02 Joining Servants of the Light

    08:11 Egypt Trip and London Temple

    11:06 Astral Temple Training

    13:11 Adapting SOL for Latin America

    14:56 Building the Curriculum

    16:07 Kabbalah as Foundation

    19:22 Courses and Temple System

    21:05 Jorge’s Early Influences

    25:10 Astrology Awakening and Teaching

    29:58 Fruits and Mission of the School

    33:26 From Rituals to Creativity

    34:57 Information vs Wisdom

    37:34 Mystery Schools Go Digital

    42:14 How does a Mystery School work in the Age of Aquarius?

    46:10 The Importance of Coherent Symbolic Training

    50:52 The Degrees of Initiation

    56:24 The Ideal Student

    01:00:02 How to Connect and Closing


    Ep. 237: From Soil to Soul with Laurie Szott-Rogers: Plant Archetypes, Tarot & the Council of Plants Jul 01, 2026
    Show notes

    Get your tickets for the Plant Cunning Conference here: Plant Cunning Conference – In-Person in New York – July 24-26, 2026Find out more about Laurie here: Laurie Szott-Rogers Bio - Self Heal DistributingThis episode of the Plant Cunning Podcast features herbalist, author, gardener, and educator Laurie Szott-Rogers discussing her new book, From Soil to Soul, and her blend of herbalism, astrology, archetypes, tarot, and dreamwork. Laurie shares how dandelion first drew her into plant medicine, her path from early interests and government work to partnering with her husband Robert Rogers, and what her current life looks like in Alberta’s cold climate gardening. She explains her “24 herbs” framework, the Plant Council concept, and how she writes from the plants’ perspectives using attunement, trance, drumming, and automatic writing. The conversation also addresses AI-generated imagery, explores dandelion’s archetypal qualities, and dives into tarragon’s dragon mythology and its King of Swords tarot association, along with practical uses like tarragon pesto.00:00 Meet Laurie Szott-Rogers00:23 Plant Cunning Conference Plug01:41 Her Plant Path Origins02:25 Dandelion First Love03:47 Astrology Meets Herbalism05:43 Life in Alberta Garden09:04 Store Products and Teaching10:17 Council of Plants Concept13:29 Attunement and Plant Rituals16:02 Writing as the Plants17:23 From Soil to Soul and AI Art21:08 Recipes and Dandelion Archetype22:42 Dandelion Resilience Medicine25:05 Planetary Archetypes in Dandelion26:43 Bitterness Shadow and Renewal28:08 Why Humans Love Archetypes29:48 Plant Surprises Mint Myth31:28 Tarragon Dragons and Growing32:55 Tarragon Pesto Kitchen Uses35:03 Tarot Links King of Swords38:42 Neoshamanic Plant Journeying41:07 Next Projects Oracle Deck42:27 Where to Find the Book43:21 Closing Thanks and Farewell


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