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Killer Uncle Joe:Rima Traxler, Kara Rudd & Chila Silvernails Day 3 The 12 Nightmares Before Christmas Dec 15, 2022

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It is day 3, and we are headed to Longview, Washington. It is a quiet, safe town located about 50 miles outside Portland, Oregon. It is May 15, 1985, when Danelle Traxler is waiting for her young daughter, 8-year-old Rima, to arrive home from school after her walk home. Her mother had a strange feeling knowing that Rima was never one to be late. Danelle went outside and traveled the same path Rima would have, hoping to run into her, but she did not see her. Danelle went home and called the police to report her 8-year-old missing.
Danelle informs officers what Rima was wearing that day and emphasizes that Rima would never talk to strangers, much less get into a car with one. In fact, Rima had a password that her family would use in an emergency. Anyone asking Rima to get in the car with them-family or even friends-- would have to have the family password. No matter who it was, they had to have the password to let Rima know it was ok. It was as if Rima had simply disappeared. Sadly, this was not the first time a young girl disappeared from the area; even worse, it would not be the last.
Join Jen and Cam on the 5th Annual Our True Crime Podcast’s 12 Nightmares Before Christmas-Day 3: Killer Uncle Joe: Rima Traxler, Kara Rudd & Chila Silvernails
Listener Discretion by @octoberpodVHS
All music is courtesy of our Executive Producer @wetalkofdreams
Sources:
Douglas, John; Olshaker, Mark (2019). The Killer Across the Table: Unlocking the Secrets of Serial Killers and Predators with the FBI's Original Mindhunter
https://tdn.com/news/local/child-killer-joseph-kondro-dies-at-state-prison/article_23c1a25c-964d-11e1-94e7-001a4bcf887a.html
https://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Sociopath-amazed-he-s-not-on-death-row-1061735.php
https://tdn.com/news/local/california-author-examines-life-of-joseph-kondro/article_6ff0bc74-8aaa-11e2-9106-0019bb2963f4.html
https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Part-6-In-their-own-words-The-twisted-art-of-1107772.php
https://www.chronline.com/stories/cowlitz-county-detectives-say-40-year-old-cold-case-of-murdered-girl-still-open,289791

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The Babes In The Woods Murders Day 2 The 12 Nightmares Before Christmas Dec 14, 2022

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On the 9th of October 1986, Karen Hadaway and Nicola Fellows returned home from school, running through the front doors of their respective homes, eager to get changed and play outside. Around 5 pm, the girls played with friends outside a neighbor's house. Shortly after this, the girls headed to Wild Park; despite knowing they were not allowed there, Nicola was told by her parents that the “boogeyman” lived there, hoping to scare her away from ever entering. Sadly, for unknown reasons, the girls entered the park that afternoon. The girls were spotted around 5:15 pm by a park policeman, playing on some trees, who warned them that they would hurt themselves. As the afternoon turned into evening, both families began to worry. 8 pm was their bedtime, and they both knew to be home by then, but there was no sign of either of them.
Join Jen and Cam on the 5th Annual Our True Crime Podcast’s 12 Nightmares Before Christmas Day 2: Babe in the Woods
Listener Discretion by @octoberpodVHS
All music is courtesy of our Executive Producer @wetalkofdreams
Written and researched by Kira Ackling
Sources:
SOURCES -
“Russell Bishop (murderer)” - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Bishop_(murderer)
“Babes in the Woods murders (Wild Park) - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babes_in_the_Wood_murders_(Wild_Park)
“'I didn't top the girls': How brazen Russell Bishop greeted victim's father after police bailed him over Babes in the Wood murders... 32 years before he was eventually convicted” - Daily Mail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6859693/Father-tells-32-years-scapegoat-Babes-Wood-murders.html#v-4228966068257666593
“FACE OF A MONSTER Chilling pics shows Babes in the Wood killer Russell Bishop joining search for schoolgirls he brutally murdered” - The Sun https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7946214/cctv-footage-babes-wood-killer-joined-search-murdered-girls/
“'HE'S A MONSTER' Babes in the Wood murder victims’ mums blast ‘coward’ killer as he’s FINALLY convicted 32 years on” - The Sun https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7942926/wicked-paedo-russell-bishop-finally-found-guilty-of-babes-in-the-woods-murders-32-years-on/
“The Babes in the Wood murders and the killer who searched for his own victims” - Sussex Live https://www.sussexlive.co.uk/news/sussex-news/babes-wood-murders-killer-who-4511903
“Russell Bishop jailed for 1986 Babes in the Wood murders” - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-46528206
“Babes in the Wood murders: How killer paedophile Russell Bishop was caught by DNA, and tried to accuse victim's father” - Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/babes-wood-murders-russell-bishop-guilty-dna-father-barrie-karen-hadaway-nicola-fellows-cruel-defence-a8630076.html
“Paedophile denies murdering nine-year-olds - but admits sexually assaulting seven-year-old then lying about it” -...

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Kiss and Kill Murder: Betty Williams- Day 1 -The 12 Nightmares Before Christmas Dec 13, 2022

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Our first nightmare before Christmas takes up back in time to 1961. It is March in Odessa, Texas, and while the state is known for being warm, the spring air is still crisp in the mornings. The William’s household is getting ready for the day.
Mrs. Williams had made breakfast for her 17-year-old daughter Betty who is currently a senior at Odessa High School. Screaming her name from the small kitchen, Betty did not answer. Like most moms of teenagers, we are all too familiar with the oversleeping kid, so Mrs. Williams makes the walk down the hall to Betty’s room and knocks on the door, telling Betty her breakfast is getting cold and she is going to be late for school. When Betty doesn’t answer, she jiggles the door knob and realizes the door is locked. Mrs. Williams, perhaps out of fear or, more likely, anger, leaves the house through the front door to go around to the back of the house. Betty had an outside door in her bedroom, and well, Betty had been known to not always follow her parent's rules. As she opened the door, anger was now gone as she gazed upon a bed that had not yet been slept in during the night. Betty was missing.
Join Jen and Cam on the 5th Annual Our True Crime Podcast’s 12 Nightmares Before Christmas -Day 1: Kiss and Kill Murder: Betty Williams.
Listener Discretion by @octoberpodVHS
All music is courtesy of our Executive Producer @wetalkofdreams
Sources:
https://www.nydailynews.com/true-crime-justice-story/ny-kiss-and-kill-murder-ghost-of-odessa-high-school-20221029-gnokrx6tozfchdkvuxgejbqdpm-story.html
https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/FIRST-ON-CBS7-Kiss-and-Kill-killer-has-died-504111961.html
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5156498/
https://medium.com/of-misdeeds-and-mysteries/killer-claims-girl-begged-him-to-shoot-her-6824335131b
https://showbizcorner.com/betty-williams-murder-update-john-mack-herring
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RCRRBO7JMNKF7?ASIN=097775586X

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193. Spiderman of Denver: Theodore Coneys Dec 07, 2022

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It is October 17, 1941, and 73-year-old Phillip failed to answer his front door. Since his wife was in the hospital, the neighbors took turns having him over for dinner so he would not be all alone. This evening Phillip was excepted to come to the neighbor's house for food, and he didn’t show up. Not sure why the neighbor went to Philip’s house and knocked on the door, but no one answered. Worried something was wrong, she gathered a few more neighbors and went back to the house. After checking all the doors and windows, they located a window that was unlocked and a neighbor crawled into the window. The worst fears became a reality when the young woman started screaming about what she had discovered inside.
Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Spiderman of Denver: Theodore Coneys’
Listener discretion is by our buddy @octoberpodVHS
All music is by our EP @wetalkofdreams
Promo is by our friend @santamaybe
Check out his fabulous and clever podcast ‘Santa Maybe A Criminal’
Sources:
https://history.denverlibrary.org/news/tale-denver-spider-man
https://www.outtherecolorado.com/features/the-dark-creepy-tale-of-denvers-spider-man-reader-discretion-advised/article_926dccd6-7b94-11eb-b5f1-53f4e77bca3e.html
https://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/coneys-theodore.htm
https://www.ranker.com/list/theodore-coneys-facts/jacob-shelton
https://web.archive.org/web/20040213070643/http://www.prisonmuseum.org/spider.htm
https://www.audible.com/pd/15-Theodore-Edward-Coneys-The-Denver-Spider-Man-Podcast/B08ZSZRYWP
https://www.reddit.com/r/CreepyWikipedia/comments/qgu95z/theodore_edward_coneys_a_murderer_who_squatted_in/

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192. The Monster of Worcester: David McGreavy Nov 30, 2022

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****This is a brutal episode. Listener discretion is advised ****
In April of 1973, on Friday the 13th, Elsie Ralph was at work, bartending at the Punch Bowl Tavern in the Rainbow Hill district of Worcester, England.
At closing time, her husband came to pick her up and left their three young children at home with their lodger, David McGreavy.
An hour later, as the couple approached their home, they were met by police, informing them that they could not enter their home. Elsie panicked and begged to know why. The police officer gravely told them, “There’s been a murder.” The police would not immediately share with the couple precisely who had been murdered or the details of the crime. Elsie became hysterical, and an ambulance medic gave her a sedative.
Join Jen and Cam as we discuss 'The Monster of Worcester: David McGreavy'
A big thank you to:
Listener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideo
Producer and theme music by Nico Vettese at wetalkofdreams.com
Researched and written by Lauretta Allen
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_McGreavy
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/david-mcgreavy-parole-babysitter-killed-three-children-impaled-bodies-railings-cleared-release-101026018.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-22623176
https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/david-mcgreavy-the-monster-of-worcester
https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/the-story-about-the-monster-of-worcester-david-mcgreavy-who-killed-3-children-d1eaea1bfc7c
https://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/mcgreavy-david.htm
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-48593232
http://www.murderuk.com/david-mcgreavy.html
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/killer-babysitters-chilling-answer-asked-16418799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS9F4xfVtlU&t=6s
https://www.newspapers.com/image/829639153/?terms=%22David%20McGreavy%22%20murder&match=1
https://www.newspapers.com/image/290961364/?terms=%22David%20McGreavy%22%20murder&match=1
https://www.newspapers.com/image/785070134/?terms=%22David%20McGreavy%22%20murder&match=1

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191. The Suitcase Killer: Steven Zelich Nov 23, 2022

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We are headed to Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, a resort town in the Midwest. The summer tourist season is about to kick off. The popular destination is located on Geneva Lake and has been popular for years, with everyone from the elite to kids hitting up the water parks. On June 5, 2014, a call came into the Walworth County Sheriff's Department at about 3:20 pm. The dispatch informed them that laying on the side of Como Road, were two suitcases discovered by a local farmer. The farmer attempted to move them, but as he approached, the smell let him know that he needed to call the police. As police arrived on the scene, they located two suitcases, a black one with plenty of insect activity on it and a purple one. Police unzipped the black one and discovered the body of a female inside. Even though the body was badly decomposed, it was a female, and her body was intact. There was a ball gag in her mouth attached to her head by a strap. Around her neck, there was a rope with both of her hands behind her body. It would take a while to find out who was responsible but they would find him.
Join Jen and Cam on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast’ as we discuss ‘The Suitcase Killer: Steven Zelich.’
As always, our listener discretion is by Edward October @octoberpodVHS
Check him out, you will love him. Promise
All music is original by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams
He makes us sound good…and that is a chore.
Sources:
https://www.wisn.com/article/court-ex-cop-can-try-to-rescind-guilty-plea-in-suitcase-death/34797666
https://nypost.com/tag/steven-zelich/
https://fox6now.com/2014/06/30/no-doubt-it-was-her-friends-family-of-jenny-gamez-were-just-waiting-on-dental-records-to-prove-it/
https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/southwest/news/west-allis/2020/12/01/ex-west-allis-cop-convicted-murder-can-try-rescind-guilty-plea/6469784002/
https://kcby.com/news/local/missing-oregon-womans-body-found-in-suitcase-in-wisconsin-11-13-2015-234817734
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627062913/http://abc7chicago.com/news/man-arrested-in-connection-with-wi-suitcase-bodies-case/140271/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-wisconsin-cop-charged-in-suitcase-murders/
https://fox6now.com/2017/10/13/steven-zelich-sentenced-to-10-years-for-hiding-bodies-of-women-in-suitcases/
https://thecinemaholic.com/laura-simonson-and-jenny-gamez-murders-where-is-steven-zelich-now/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/30/how-mrhandcuffs-ended-up-with-two-corpses-in-suitcases

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190. A Serial Killer Walked In: The Death of Mary Michelle Fleming Nov 16, 2022

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On July 25th, 1980, a couple looked out the window and saw a young woman running toward their apartment. She had long blond hair, and she was covered in blood. She was also naked from the waist down with her bikini top pulled over her breasts. The man says to his wife, “If she’s running like that, somebody’s chasing her.” As the girl knocked on the door, Robert swung it open. “Help me,” she muttered and then collapsed onto to the porch. The couple called 911, and Robert covered her up with a sheet.
Police and rescue showed up within minutes. The ambulance whisked the girl off to the hospital while police followed the blood trail across the road to the back door of the apartment on Yale. They had found the crime scene and had identified the victim as Mary Michelle “Mickey” Fleming.
With witnesses coming forward, police are able to identify the killer as Anthony Joe LaRette.
After he was sentenced, Tony would start confessing to 30 other murders.
Join Jen and Cam as we discuss A Serial Killer Walked In: The Death of Mary Michelle Fleming
A big thank you to our team:
Listener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideo
Producer and theme music by Nico Vettese at wetalkofdreams.com
Researched and written by Lauretta Allen
Sources:
https://www.amazon.com/She-Had-No-Enemies-Memoir/dp/143823144X
https://mocatholic.org/sites/missouricc/files/uploads/documents/october_2011.pdf
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4568048/characters/nm12371050
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_LaRette#:~:text=Anthony%20Joe%20LaRette%20Jr.
https://law.justia.com/cases/missouri/supreme-court/1983/63569-0.html
https://murderpedia.org/male.L/l1/larette-anthony-joe.htm
https://apnews.com/article/7fc0301036657b473d79f51fba165299
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1995/12/03/serial-killer-confided-in-detective/
https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2015/04/12/serial-killer-anthony-joe-larette/
https://www.scribd.com/podcast/418765688/THE-GIRL-THAT-HAD-NO-ENEMIES-AND-THE-MAN-WHO-HATED-WOMEN-De-Anthony-J-LaRette-Jr-had-been-on-a-ten-year-long-path-of-violence-murder-and-rape-E
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B091SLBS9Y/ref=atv_dp_season_select_s11
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/37953386/tracey-millers-murderer-on-death-row/

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189. Sins of the Mother: Diane Downs Nov 09, 2022

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It was Thursday, May 19, 1983, at 10:48 pm when a red Nissan pulled up to the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital emergency room drop-off door honking the horn repeatedly. A blonde woman hops out of the car, screaming for help, and points to her car. Someone shot my kids, she yelled. Nurses Rose Martin and Shelby Day ran to the car and were momentarily stunned, noticing all the blood inside the vehicle. Inside there were three small children, one in the front seat and two in the backseat. When confronted with what was in front of them, hospital staff were called to come into the ER to help assist. Dr. John Mackey, the physician in charge, called the hospital’s number one surgeon Dr. Fred Whilhite came back to work because it was bad, it was very bad. Chest wounds to children and the conditions were grave. The girl in the front seat seemed to be already gone, but the ER staff tried desperately to bring her back to life, but it was too late; she would be pronounced dead in the ER. While the two in the backseat were still alive, they were struggling to breathe. The staff continued to try to save the other two children. They were not sure if they could be saved; with the gunshot wounds, each had severe loss of blood. To try to make breathing better for them, each was given a tracheotomy. So far, what they were doing was working; the children were alive and seemed to be stable. What was more important was why would anyone do this and, more importantly, who?
Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “Sins of the Mother: Diane Downs.”
Listener Discretion is courtesy of @octoberpodVHS
EP/Music is by @wetalkofdreams
Sources:
https://www.amazon.com/Small-Sacrifices-Story-Passion-Murder/dp/0451166604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsMXTsU4eqE (Oprah Episode)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QJ0roe2xSM (20/20)
https://www.insideedition.com/true-story-diane-downs-how-mother-shot-her-3-kids-her-lover-51520
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/downs/index_1.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1984/06/12/the-mother-38/13b24fdf-7294-4623-ad2d-0665435ceed4/
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/11/09/diane-downs-latest-parole-hearing-is-next-month/
https://web.archive.org/web/20081206005041/http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_120208_news_diane_downs_parole.2513dd69.html
https://murderpedia.org/female.D/d/downs-diane.htm
http://www.dianedowns.com/
https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-who-hid-convicted-child-killer-diane-downs-after-her-prison-escape-regrets-decision-i-shouldve-turned-her-in

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188.The Missing Women of Yonne Nov 02, 2022

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About two hours from Paris, the body of 23-year-old Sylviane Lesage was found in a pasture. The case fell into the hands of Constable Christian Jambert. He was considered an outstanding policeman and a dogged investigator for the National Gendarmerie.
Constable Jambert began hearing stories of girls that had gone missing in and around Auxerre in the Department of Yonne, just up the road from Rouvray. But they weren’t just any girls. They were teenagers and students, children of the DDASS or Dahs. The missing girls were either foster children who were given up at birth or children who lived in a home for the disabled. They either had no immediate biological family, or their families could not care for them.
Besides the school, the girls had one thing in common. Bus driver Emile Louis.
Join Jen & Cam as they discuss The Missing Women of Yonne.
P.S. Please excuse Jen's french pronunciations.
A big thank you to our team:
Listener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideo
Producer and theme music by Nico Vettese
wetalkofdreams.com
Researched and written by Lauretta Allen
Also, a HUGE shout out to Julian the Frenchman on youtube. He helped a heck of a lot.
Sources:
https://www.newspapers.com/image/752433788/?terms=Emile%20Louis%20Yonne&match=1
https://www.newspapers.com/image/753122933/?terms=Emile%20Louis%20Yonne&match=1
https://www.newspapers.com/image/469217621/?terms=%22Emile%20Louis%22%20Yonne&match=1
https://www.newspapers.com/image/496382773/?terms=%22Emile%20Louis%22%20Yonne&match=1
https://www.newspapers.com/image/260712037/?terms=%22Emile%20Louis%22%20Auxerre&match=1
https://www.newspapers.com/image/259470223/?terms=%22Emile%20Louis%22%20Auxerre&match=1
https://www-radiofrance-fr.translate.goog/franceinter/podcasts/affaires-sensibles/emile-louis-les-disparues-de-l-yonne-5803245?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Louis
https://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/louis-emile.htm
https://www.francethisway.com/top10lists/frenchcriminals/emilelouis.php
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/%C3%89mile_Louis
https://gettotext.com/emile-louis-the-butcher-of-yonne-disconcerting-interview-with-his-daughter-it-weighs-very-heavy/

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187. The Stranger in my Home: Carolina Killer Oct 26, 2022

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It is December 23, 1999, in Easley, South Carolina, located right outside Greenville. People were getting ready to celebrate the holidays by cooking, cleaning, and wrapping goodies for loved ones. One of those getting ready to welcome family for a celebration was 87-year-old Martha Browning. Martha was always a hard worker and started working at the local mill at 12 years old. Like most grandmothers, Martha loved her family and fed them until they burst. As Martha was prepping for company, her 34-year-old granddaughter Deanna Tinsley came to town a bit early to help her out, and others would be arriving throughout the day. Her home was a place of love and welcomed anyone that wanted to come by. As the two of them were taking a moment to relax before the hustle began again, a man walked into the home and sat down in a chair. The beginning of a real-life nightmare is about to start for these two ladies, but little did they know this was the last stop for a man responsible for the unthinkable.
Join Jen and Cam on “Our True Crime Podcast’ as we discuss “The Stranger in my Home:Carolina Killer”
LD by the fantastic Edward October from @octoberpodVHS
All music is by our EP Nico @wetalkofdream
Sources:
https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2019/12/23/20-years-ago-dallen-bounds-killed-4-greenville-sc-victims-then-shot-himself/2673293001/
https://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bounds-dallen.htm
https://dbpedia.org/page/Dallen_Bounds
https://skdb.fandom.com/wiki/BOUNDS_Dallen_Forrest
https://horrorhistory.net/2019/12/23/man-kills-ex-girlfriend-her-ex-husband-then-self/
https://thecinemaholic.com/how-did-dallen-bounds-die-where-is-casandra-laster-now/
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4502292
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60525/?name=Dallen_Bounds&pcat=bmd_death&qh=00efb62f88105f3e8178f4774f82d546
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B091HLPNCD/ref=atv_hm_hom_1_c_lZOsi7_2_4

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