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    MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.

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    Programmable Biology Will Systematically Eradicate Disease | AJ Scaramucci Oct 10, 2026
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    AJ Scaramucci discusses the launch of Solari Capital and its $350 million deployed across AI, programmable biology, and aerospace. He outlines his investment thesis around exponential progress, vertical healthcare applications, and the macroeconomic dynamics between scarce physical assets and technological abundance. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.



    MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.


    Follow MTS:

    X | ⁠https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠

    YouTube | ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠

    Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠

    Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠

    Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠

    Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠

    --

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    Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠

    ElevenLabs - AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts

    Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠

    Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com

    Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com to learn more

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    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:06) Solari Capital Thesis

    (02:36) Engineering Programmable Biology

    (06:06) AI Application Bets

    (10:37) Influence of Peter Diamandis

    (14:26) Incubating Radial and Collectibles

    (18:20) Monetary Debasement and Scarcity

    --

    Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.


    Why Simulation Fails for Dexterous Robots | Brian Potter Oct 10, 2026
    Show notes

    Brian Potter of Construction Physics and the Institute for Progress discusses the history and failure of plasma displays, why Vision-Language-Action (VLA) models and cheap hardware like UMI are changing robotics, and why prefab housing remains exceptionally difficult to scale without general-purpose automation. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.



    MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.


    Follow MTS:

    X | ⁠https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠

    YouTube | ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠

    Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠

    Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠

    Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠

    Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠

    --

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    Larridin - Finally prove what your AI investment is worth. Head to https://larridin.com/ today to start measuring your AI’s bottom line.

    Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠

    ElevenLabs - AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts

    Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠

    Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com

    Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com to learn more

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    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (00:48) Rise and Fall of Plasma

    (04:40) Vision-Language-Action Models Explained

    (06:30) What Part of Robotics Is Hardest to Scale?

    (09:35) How UMI Data Solves Manipulation

    (11:54) How to Learn Complex Real-World Systems

    (16:42) Why Prefab Housing Remains So Difficult

    (19:07) Will General-Purpose Robots Enable Prefab?

    --

    Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.



    The Lab Data Proves the Intelligence Explosion Is a Myth | Ramez Naam Oct 10, 2026
    Show notes

    Investor and computer scientist Ramez Naam argues that recursive self-improvement and AI intelligence explosions face steep diminishing returns based on data from OpenAI and Anthropic system cards. He explains why current feedback loops are too weak to sustain runaway growth and outlines where AI scaling will hit economic and data constraints. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.




    MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.

    Follow MTS:

    X | ⁠https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠

    YouTube | ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠

    Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠

    Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠

    Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠

    Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠

    --

    Brought to you by:

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    Lovable - Turn ideas into software people love with Lovable. Start today at https://lovable.dev/

    Larridin - Finally prove what your AI investment is worth. Head to https://larridin.com/ today to start measuring your AI’s bottom line.

    Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠

    ElevenLabs - AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts

    Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠

    Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com

    Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com to learn more

    Blitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.com

    AdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.com

    Chargebee - Billing and monetization infrastructure for the AI era. https://www.chargebee.com/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:36) Where Is the Intelligence Explosion?

    (03:54) Reaching a Self-Sustaining Loop

    (05:11) Why Labs Claim Runaway Growth

    (08:41) Compute and Data Bottlenecks

    (12:27) Five-Year AI Outlook

    (16:00) Reaching True Superintelligence

    (24:39) Why Swarm Scaling Fails

    --

    Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.


    Why General LLMs Will Control Physical Robots | Thijs Simonian Oct 10, 2026
    Show notes

    Thijs Simonian, Stanford junior and former OpenAI and Ella Marina builder, discusses scaling his viral Discord bot to 1.6 million servers, getting rejected twice before landing a role on OpenAI's robotics team, and using Astra to demonstrate general-purpose LLM control over physical robots. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.




    MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.

    Follow MTS:

    X | ⁠https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠

    YouTube | ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠

    Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠

    Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠

    Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠

    Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠

    --

    Brought to you by:

    Mongo DB - Anyone can prototype an agent. Learn how to get them into production on September 30th in New York - register at https://www.mongodb.com/events/mongodb-local/nyc

    Lovable - Turn ideas into software people love with Lovable. Start today at https://lovable.dev/

    Larridin - Finally prove what your AI investment is worth. Head to https://larridin.com/ today to start measuring your AI’s bottom line.

    Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠

    ElevenLabs - AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts

    Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠

    Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com

    Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com to learn more

    Blitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.com

    AdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.com

    Chargebee - Billing and monetization infrastructure for the AI era. https://www.chargebee.com/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:48) First Viral AI Builds

    (04:00) Advice for Young Builders

    (05:53) Current Stanford Builder Culture

    (08:13) Getting Hired at OpenAI

    (09:59) Getting Into AI Robotics

    (13:30) General LLMs Controlling Robots

    (15:26) Staying in School vs Dropping Out

    --

    Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.





    Why AI Data Centers Need a New Class of Switch | Jeff Holden (61 chars) Oct 10, 2026
    Show notes

    Jeff Holden discusses Atomic Machines emerging from six years in stealth with a $250M raise and the introduction of the Matter Compiler—a physical manufacturing system that builds micromachines directly from code. He details their first product, PrimeSwitch, a low-resistance, high-speed power relay designed for 800V DC AI data center racks, and outlines his vision for physical AI and an on-demand manufacturing foundry. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.



    MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.


    Follow MTS:

    X | ⁠https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠

    YouTube | ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠

    Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠

    Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠

    Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠

    Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠

    --

    Brought to you by:

    Mongo DB - Anyone can prototype an agent. Learn how to get them into production on September 30th in New York - register at https://www.mongodb.com/events/mongodb-local/nyc

    Lovable - Turn ideas into software people love with Lovable. Start today at https://lovable.dev/

    Larridin - Finally prove what your AI investment is worth. Head to https://larridin.com/ today to start measuring your AI’s bottom line.

    Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠

    ElevenLabs - AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts

    Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠

    Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com

    Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com to learn more

    Blitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.com

    AdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.com

    Chargebee - Billing and monetization infrastructure for the AI era. https://www.chargebee.com/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:08) Emerging From Stealth

    (01:36) Understanding Matter Compiler

    (03:42) AI Native Micro Manufacturing

    (06:18) Launching The PrimeSwitch

    (09:15) AI Design Foundry Model

    (12:02) Command Of Matter Vision

    --

    Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.



    Why Open Source AI Lags Behind China | Ioannis Antonoglou Oct 09, 2026
    Show notes

    Reflection AI CTO Ioannis Antonoglou discusses Beam, their new 501B parameter open-weight model trained on 10,500 GPUs with zero distillation. He breaks down their massive RL scaling run, agentic generalizability, and how Western labs can compete with China's frontier model velocity. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.

    --

    https://x.com/real_ioannis


    MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.

    Follow MTS:

    X | ⁠https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠

    YouTube | ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠

    Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠

    Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠

    Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠

    Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠

    --

    Brought to you by:

    Mongo DB - Anyone can prototype an agent. Learn how to get them into production on September 30th in New York - register at https://www.mongodb.com/events/mongodb-local/nyc

    Lovable - Turn ideas into software people love with Lovable. Start today at https://lovable.dev/

    Larridin - Finally prove what your AI investment is worth. Head to https://larridin.com/ today to start measuring your AI’s bottom line.

    Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠

    ElevenLabs - AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts

    Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠

    Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com

    Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com to learn more

    Blitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.com

    AdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.com

    Chargebee - Billing and monetization infrastructure for the AI era. https://www.chargebee.com/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (00:53) Why Reflection AI Built Beam

    (03:24) Competing With Chinese Open Model Labs

    (07:15) Lessons From Scaling Reinforcement Learning

    (09:25) How General Capabilities Transfer Across Tasks

    (12:17) Squeezing Capabilities From Smaller Model Sizes

    (15:35) Lessons From Pioneers Of Deep RL

    (20:13) Predictions For Autonomous AI Agents

    --

    Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.


    General AI Drove a Real Car | Axiom Math Oct 09, 2026
    Show notes

    Researchers from Axiom Math discuss Driving Bench, an experiment where general-purpose AI models like Astra were given control of a real Toyota Corolla on a cone course. They unpack the unexpected emerging spatial capabilities of frontier models, latency challenges in physical environments, and how they bypassed safety refusals. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.






    MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.


    Follow MTS:

    X | ⁠https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠

    YouTube | ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠

    Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠

    Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠

    Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠

    Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠

    --

    Brought to you by:

    Mongo DB - Anyone can prototype an agent. Learn how to get them into production on September 30th in New York - register at https://www.mongodb.com/events/mongodb-local/nyc

    Lovable - Turn ideas into software people love with Lovable. Start today at https://lovable.dev/

    Larridin - Finally prove what your AI investment is worth. Head to https://larridin.com/ today to start measuring your AI’s bottom line.

    Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠

    ElevenLabs - AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts

    Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠

    Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com

    Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com to learn more

    Blitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.com

    AdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.com

    Chargebee - Billing and monetization infrastructure for the AI era. https://www.chargebee.com/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:06) Testing LLMs on Real Driving

    (02:37) Benchmarking Astra Against Other Models

    (05:53) Emergent Spatial Intelligence at Scale

    (08:00) The Knowing-Doing Gap in AI

    (11:03) Safety and Physical AI Benchmarking

    (13:26) Origin Story of Driving Bench

    (18:42) Predictions for Spatial Models

    --

    Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.




    Sovereign AI Hits $138B as Nations Rush for Compute | Nathan Benaich Oct 09, 2026
    Show notes

    Nathan Benaich, founder of Air Street Capital and author of the State of AI report, breaks down findings from the 9th edition. He discusses AI leading its own R&D, long-horizon task execution, robotics' GPT-2 moment, AI drug discovery in clinical trials, and $138B in sovereign AI investments. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.

    https://x.com/nathanbenaich

    --

    MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.


    Follow MTS:

    X | ⁠https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠

    YouTube | ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠

    Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠

    Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠

    Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠

    Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠

    --

    Brought to you by:

    Mongo DB - Anyone can prototype an agent. Learn how to get them into production on September 30th in New York - register at https://www.mongodb.com/events/mongodb-local/nyc

    Lovable - Turn ideas into software people love with Lovable. Start today at https://lovable.dev/

    Larridin - Finally prove what your AI investment is worth. Head to https://larridin.com/ today to start measuring your AI’s bottom line.

    Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠

    ElevenLabs - AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts

    Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠

    Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com

    Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com to learn more

    Blitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.com

    AdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.com

    Chargebee - Billing and monetization infrastructure for the AI era. https://www.chargebee.com/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:15) Creating The State Of AI

    (03:22) AI Helping Build AI Models

    (09:40) Robotics Reaches GPT-2 Moment

    (13:59) Progress In AI Drug Discovery

    (18:13) Rise Of Sovereign AI Investment

    (23:31) AI Safety And Cybersecurity Threats

    (26:26) Predictions For AI In 2027

    --

    Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.



    Why Open Science Is Dying at Frontier AI Labs | Nathan Lambert Oct 09, 2026
    Show notes

    Nathan Lambert announces the launch of Trillium Labs, a new nonprofit dedicated to frontier AI research and research infrastructure. He discusses the decline of open science, the dynamics of AI research in China versus the West, and why decentralized models are critical for AI safety. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.

    --https://x.com/natolambert

    --

    MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.


    Follow MTS:

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    Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠

    Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠

    Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠

    --

    Brought to you by:

    Mongo DB - Anyone can prototype an agent. Learn how to get them into production on September 30th in New York - register at https://www.mongodb.com/events/mongodb-local/nyc

    Lovable - Turn ideas into software people love with Lovable. Start today at https://lovable.dev/

    Larridin - Finally prove what your AI investment is worth. Head to https://larridin.com/ today to start measuring your AI’s bottom line.

    Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠

    ElevenLabs - AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts

    Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠

    Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com

    Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com to learn more

    Blitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.com

    AdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.com

    Chargebee - Billing and monetization infrastructure for the AI era. https://www.chargebee.com/

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    Timestamps:

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    Why AI Agents Deceive Users on Real Tasks | Anastasios Angelopoulos Oct 09, 2026
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    Arena CEO Anastasios Angelopoulos discusses Arena's $200M Series B at a $3.1B valuation and reveals their new Alignment Index, which tracks AI model deception, unauthorized actions, and false attribution in real-world agentic workflows. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.



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