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    Marketing Against The Grain

    Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot’s SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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    He Automated His Sales Job With Ai… So His Boss Promoted Him Aug 22, 2024
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    Ep. 254

    What if you could automate the most mundane parts of your sales job and get promoted for it?


    Kipp and Kieran are joined by Ethan Dewaal, and dive into how AI is revolutionizing sales practices and boosting productivity. You will learn more on automating product questions with AI chatbots, developing a four-part roadmap for advanced AI use, and the significant impact of AI on the sales cycle.


    Discover the transformative power of AI as Ethan shares his journey from automating his sales role at Asana to pioneering AI tools that drive efficiency and efficacy. Find out how experimenting at a low cost can help discover the ideal product-market fit, how prompt engineering has become simpler and more accessible, and why the concept of a copilot could potentially make sales reps dramatically more efficient. This one is all about the real-world applications and future possibilities of AI in sales.


    00:00 Efficient personalized messaging can be streamlined.

    05:53 AI integration expertise leads to exceptional productivity.

    07:51 Asana challenges led to creating prompt engineering.

    12:49 Advice: Prompt engineering isn't hard, models improved.

    15:50 Custom assistant for complex product sales teams.

    19:03 Automate meeting prep and build custom AI.

    20:10 Asana empowers seamless workflow and user experience.

    23:55 Sales development rep and team tools optimization.

    27:49 Sales process includes filtering, qualifying, and connecting.

    32:20 Sales reps may have AI copilots for sales.

    35:35 AI inconsistent but may improve human experience.

    36:49 Human vs AI sales implications and curiosity.



    Mentions

    • Grab our curated list of our favorite AI prompts here https://clickhubspot.com/matg
    • Asana: https://asana.com/
    • GPT-4: https://www.openai.com/research/gpt-4
    • Hubspot: https://www.hubspot.com/



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    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    Alex Lieberman on Building A Personal Brand & Influencer Marketing Trends Aug 20, 2024
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    Ep. 253

    Can old IP give shut-down businesses a new lease on life? Kipp and Kieran explore how reviving dormant brands might just be the next big trend in marketing.


    They are joined by Morning Brew’s co-founder Alex Lieberman to delve into the concept of leveraging old intellectual property to reignite business success. This episode will have you learning more on the potential of marketplaces for brands like SAP Seltzer in Vermont, how to create personalized and tactical content for business leaders, and the intricacies of "drop marketing" to captivate modern audiences.



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    • Grab our curated list of our favorite AI prompts here https://clickhubspot.com/matg
    • SAP Seltzer: https://sapvt.com/
    • Beehiiv: https://www.beehiiv.com/
    • Story ARb: https://www.storyarb.com/Rb
    • Epic Gardening: https://www.youtube.com/@EpicGardening
    • Backyard Baseball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_Baseball(Wikipedia page)


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    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.



    Time Stamps:

    00:00 Marketers are different, Reforge could do better.

    04:35 Alex stands out for being clear, relatable.

    09:23 Leveraging creativity, story telling, persuasion, self-improvement.

    10:14 Seeking entrepreneurship while balancing family and success.

    14:20 Modern-day entertainment business, distribution dynamics, influencer challenges.

    17:39 Inefficiency in influencer marketing, especially on Instagram.

    21:09 Creators are key to long-term business success.

    23:37 Subscription economy enables automation, focus on growth.

    28:50 Help Kip improve online presence, marketing strategy.

    32:10 Fast thinker utilizing trends and executing strategy.

    34:18 Tyler started for Beehive's lack of features.

    36:49 Companies should have employees and customers advocate.

    41:07 Creating social content may be challenging for executives.

    44:11 Importance of finding the right voice online.

    48:32 Focusing on value for target audience is key.

    51:14 Create Shark Tank-style digital pitch for new generation.

    53:43 Great conversation with Alex, relevant topics covered.


    Ai Images: Flux, Spotting Fakes & 4 Marketing Use Cases Aug 15, 2024
    Show notes

    Ep. 252

    AI images are now so realistic that even AI experts can't tell what's real anymore.


    Kipp and Kieran dive into the dramatic advancements in AI image generation with the release of Flux. Learn more on how Flux works, whether you can still spot fake images, and the top marketing use cases for AI-generated images in advertising, email campaigns, and website conversion optimization.


    Mentions

    • Grab our curated list of our favorite AI prompts here https://clickhubspot.com/matg
    • Flux: https://blackforestlabs.ai/#get-flux
    • Black Forest Labs: https://blackforestlabs.ai/
    • Runway: https://runwayml.com/
    • Midjourney: https://www.midjourney.com/
    • DALL-E: https://openai.com/index/dall-e-2/


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    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    16 Years Of Marketing Lessons In 54 Minutes - ft. CMO Of Wix.com Aug 13, 2024
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    Ep. 251

    Are Google ads overrated?


    Kipp and guest, Omer Shai, CMO of Wix, examine the evolving landscape of search and the secret sauce behind Wix's success.


    Kipp and Omer dive into marketing lessons from one of the industry's most resilient companies. Learn more on the future of search and its fragmentation, the untapped potential of influencer marketing, and the balance between brand and direct response marketing.


    Mentions

    • Grab our curated list of our favorite AI prompts here https://clickhubspot.com/matg
    • Omer Shai https://au.linkedin.com/in/omer-shai-4a18049
    • Wix https://www.wix.com/
    • Wix Studio https://www.wix.com/studio


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    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


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    We really appreciate your support.


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    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    The 2024 Content Marketing Guide You Need To Survive AI Aug 08, 2024
    Show notes

    Ep. 250

    Can you survive the AI wave in content creation?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into the strategies and skills you need to thrive in the age of AI-driven marketing. Learn more on navigating the transition from traditional content playbooks to personality-led growth, the impact of AI on search-driven traffic, and tips for hiring and leveraging in-house influencers to create engaging, authentic content.


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    • Grab our curated list of our favorite AI prompts here https://clickhubspot.com/matg
    • NerdWallet https://www.nerdwallet.com/
    • Alex Hormozi https://www.acquisition.com/bio-alex


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    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    ROAS Is a Trap: How Smart Marketers Really Drive Growth Aug 06, 2024
    Show notes

    Ep. 249

    "Is putting all your eggs in the ROAS basket stunting your growth?"


    Kipp and Kieran dive into why relying solely on Return on Ad Spend might not be the smartest move for marketers aiming for long-term success. Every marketer needs to understand the significance of building their own audience, the true impact of paid advertising, and navigating the complex world of marketing metrics.


    Mentions

    • Grab our curated list of our favorite AI prompts here https://clickhubspot.com/matg
    • ReturnReturn on Ad Spend (ROAS) https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/return-on-ad-spend
    • LinkedIn post about Nike https://www.linkedin.com/posts/massimogiunco_nike-sneakers-digital-activity-7223265757982318593-P0xZ?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop


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    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


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    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    From $0 to $150M: 3 Key Marketing Moves That Built Chess.com Aug 01, 2024
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    Ep. 248

    What are the 3 marketing ideas that took Chess.com to $150M?


    Kieran Flanagan dives into the strategic steps Erik Allebest and his team took to dominate the online chess world and build a thriving community-led business. Learn more about the early recognition and promotion of chess streaming, winning over both casual and professional players by enhancing user experience and hosting prize events, and the importance of integrating SEO and content creation to outshine the competition.


    Mentions

    • Grab our curated list of our favorite AI prompts here https://clickhubspot.com/matg
    • Erik Allebest https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikallebest/
    • Chess.com https://www.chess.com/
    • Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/


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    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    Decoding The Fall Of Traditional Marketing In 10 Minutes ft. Gary Vee Jul 30, 2024
    Show notes

    Ep. 247

    Is the current agency landscape broken and misaligned with client interests?


    Kipp, Kieran, and Gary Vaynerchuk (VaynerX) dive into the misaligned incentives of agencies and how they hinder marketing success. This is a revisit of their episode with Gary in May. Learn more on why traditional agency models fail, the importance of relevance at scale, and actionable insights for marketers looking to break the mold.


    Mentions

    • Gary Vaynerchuk https://garyvaynerchuk.com/
    • VaynerX https://vaynerx.com/
    • Vaynermedia https://vaynermedia.com/
    • Gary on Marketing Against the Grain https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gary-vee-if-you-dont-do-this-your-business-wont-exist/id1616700934?i=1000655755440


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    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    Top 5 Marketing Tactics To 10X Startup Growth In 2024 Jul 25, 2024
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    Ep. 246

    Are you telling stories that truly resonate with your customers or just following the status quo?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into the crucial role of narrative in marketing and how founders can be their company’s best marketer. Learn more about the importance of deeply understanding your customer, hiring the right marketing leaders at different startup stages, and investing in a scalable distribution engine.


    Mentions

    • Hubspot https://www.hubspot.com/
    • Claude 3.5 Sonnet https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-3-5-sonnet


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    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


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    We really appreciate your support.


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    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    I Built An App With Claude 3.5 In Less Than 10 Hours Jul 23, 2024
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    Ep. 245

    Why should you be a Claude super fan?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into the game-changing world of Claude apps and how anyone can build web apps in no time. Learn more on how Claude's new features empower you to create and publish lightweight apps effortlessly, real-life examples of innovative use cases, and the mind-blowing potential for profitability and customization with Claude's intuitive tools.


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    • Claude 3.5 Sonnet https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-3-5-sonnet
    • Gary Vaynerchuk https://garyvaynerchuk.com/
    • Dharmesh Shah https://www.hubspot.com/company/management/dharmesh-shah
    • Replit https://replit.com/


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

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    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


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