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Hi crystal lovers, this week I'm so excited to be here with The Crystal Healer, Philip Permutt, author of the Crystal Healer series of Books.
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Ashley Leavy: Hello and welcome crystal lovers. Today I am interviewing the amazing Philip Permutt, of course, the crystal healer, as many of you know him by. I am Ashley Leavy of the Love and Light School of Crystal Therapy. Philip, I am so excited to be here at the Tucson Gem Show with you.
Philip Permutt: It’s absolutely lovely. I love it every year, yeah. Wonderful.
Ashley: Yeah, it's a great experience, and you've brought some things to share with us that I'm really excited about. So, today we're going to be talking a little bit about a special stone that you found, and that, kind of, works a little differently than most crystals.
Philip: Yes, this is--
Ashley: Thank you.
Philip: This is known as Doctors Stone, but it’s technically, Black Botryoidal Banded Agate. Black Banded Botryoidal Agate. Botryoidal Black Banded Agate.
Ashley: All of those things, right?
Philip: And, it comes from a place, Medicine Bow in Wyoming, which is a sacred Native American site. And it’s literally given up by the Earth. So, it comes from swampland. And the swamps just dry out in the summer, just for a few months, and they go and they literally collect them, so they take them all. And they use them in their own ceremonies, sacred ceremonies, and for healing. And the most amazing thing, one of the reasons why it's called the Doctors Stone, is because it affects everyone differently.
Ashley: Okay.
Philip: So, everyone...I know that we will play around with it just before, and you were holding it, and it went to your feet.
Ashley: My feet.
Philip: That's right. And your throat.
Ashley: And my throat.
Philip: And for me, it doesn't. For me, it just goes around my stomach. And today, my shoulders, which is probably to do with whatever I was carrying yesterday.
Ashley: Yes
Philip: That’s one of the problems with Tucson isn’t it?
Ashley: Yes, always. So, these stones are kind of born of the earth, in this swamp environment and they rise to the surface.
Philip: Yeah.
Ashley: And people go and collect just what's there.
Philip: Just what's on the surface, there's no digging. Nothing.
Ashley: That's pretty amazing. I mean, if you want to talk about ethically mined crystals, these couldn't even be called mined, they could be called collected.
Philip: Yes, found.
Ashley: Found, yeah. And they have such a beautiful appearance. If you're familiar with Botryoidal Hematite, they almost remind me a little of that in appearance because of the color and formation, but they're so lightweight because of the Agate material itself. And they just have this way of when you hold, them feeling, I just feel this soothing, comforting warmth in those areas of my body that need that. And just holding it here, just for a few moments, I feel so calm and centered and positive.
Philip: And I've done this with literally hundreds of people who held the stone, and everyone just feels it where they need it. And it doesn’t matter if it’s something that’s physical-- especially physical...it just picks out those physical things. If you've got an old injury or something, it just goes straight to it. Is those weeks spots... you know the phrase, “stress goes the weakest spot in the body?”
Ashley: Yes.
Philip: And it's those spots it just picks out without being stressed.
Ashley: Yeah.
Philip: So even if you're not thinking about it, it doesn't hurt, it doesn't ache, it’ll just find and work on those areas. And it just releases that stress. And it's wonderful, but also for emotional stress, anything at all. So yeah, it really is unique in that way.
Would you say that this would be a good stone for people to work with who, perhaps, have a difficult time feeling crystal energy, because this comes through so clearly.
Philip: Yeah. I think one of the problems some people have is knowing...is recognizing what they're feeling.
Ashley: Yes.
Philip: So it's not whether we feel it or not, it's just recognizing we do feel something. And that can be difficult when you start working with crystals because it's just a different type of energy and it's not something most people are used to on the day-to-day. Right? And because these just go for this stuff that you do feel, you recognize it. And it doesn't matter what you call it or how you describe it, because everyone describes it differently. Like I was telling you actually if you took-- if you gave everyone a crystal in their right hand to hold, half the people would say their right hand felt something, and the other half would say their left hand felt something.
Ashley: Very true.
Philip: It’s that, sort of, balance thing. And it's a bit like if you took a sample of people for an opinion poll, and you took, whatever it is they do these days...I think in the UK it’s like 2004 people we now to answer the question. And, you get everyone to put their right hand into a bowl of warm water. And half people say they’re right hand is warm, and the other half will say they’re left hand’s cold. But actually, they’re all wrong. Their right hand’s wet and their left hand’s dry.
So, how we actually describe what we're feeling is irrelevant. It’s totally unique to each person. And I think what happens is our brain, sort of, goes, “Ooh! This...when I hold this crystal, this feels a little bit like when I was a kid and I got a little bit too close to the fire and, Oh! It’s hot.”
Ashley: Yeah.
Philip: And the brain’s doing that and trying to explain what this totally new unique feeling that you’re feeling actually means.
Ashley: And that's interesting because, in a lot of ways, the way that crystals work, we don't need the conscious understanding of exactly what's taking place, especially with a stone like the Doctors Stone, that's just doing the work that it needs to do. And this is, it’s just it's so lovely, I mean, obviously you would consider this to be relatively rare?
Philip: Very rare. Yeah, rarer than Diamonds.
Ashley: Yeah, because there are only so many that are birthed each year. But, luckily for everyone watching, you'll have this available for sale on your website.
Philip: I will do by the time we get back.
Ashley: Lovely. So of course, the crystalhealer.co.uk is where you'll be able to find this. And you've brought some other things today that I'm really excited to see. This is amazing. This has been one of the highlights of my trip, to actually get to hold this, because we’ve chatted about it in a previous interview. But you've brought some of your favorite personal crystals for travel.
Philip: Okay, yes these are, sort of, the traveling collection. Some of them are with me the whole time, and some specifically wanted to come with me on this trip.
Ashley: Okay.
Philip: So there’s some difference between them. So there are a few...this guy here, I don’t really know how close you can get to it.
Ashley: Let's see.
Philip: This actually is a skull carved from Green Tourmaline by the amazing Leandro De Souza, who’s one of the best carvers in Brazil.
Ashley: And if you can imagine, this is just an average sized Green Tourmaline crystal, but it has been so delicately carved into a little skull.
Philip: The detail is so amazing.
Ashley: With little teeth and all.
Philip: Yeah, and also growing out of a Quartz crystal.
Ashley: Just at the end there. And what is it that you--
Philip: Tourmaline, basically, is my go-to crystal for protection.
Ashley: Yeah.
Philip: So, just lots and lots of other things, but for protection, it really is my number one go-to crystal. And just the idea of this style, the skull, and the energy from the skull, and the protective idea of the skull. Also, the Buddhist idea of non-attachment, and just, we are just basically a skull or a skeleton.
Ashley: Yeah.
Philip: The rest is just dressing.
Ashley: Yeah. That’s true!
Philip: So yeah, he's always there and the other one that always comes with me on my travel is this guy, who’s actually a piece of Turquoise. And he comes from Whitewater Mine which is almost in America.
Ashley: Yes. Well, just about.
Philip: So, the Whitewater Mine is an amazing place, because it's on the border of Mexico and the US. And the entrance is in Mexico, but quite a lot of the mine is actually under the US.
Ashley: Oh interesting.
Philip: Yeah, so it is actually the same typical Navajo Turquoise basically, but for half the price - don’t tell anybody.
Ashley: And what's really great about this stone is you find so much stabilized Turquoise, and so a lot of what comes out of the American Southwest is still in it's very natural state.
Philip: Yes, absolutely, yes. And this is just literally tumbled. The thing about Turquoise is it’s also protective, specifically protective, for travelers. And the American Indians like to use it for the idea of connection to the blue road. So you’ve got the blue road up here, and the red road which is the one we’re walking on. And the blue road is, sort of, your spiritual path, so it’s protection very, very much on that level.
Ashley: I love that.
Philip: And the other one, as well, that’s for protection is this cute little double-terminated, Smoky Quartz crystal. And Smoky Quartz is a really useful crystal because people that are around...you know some people don’t feel kindly to you all the time, and there are some jealous people, some unkind people, whatever...and Smoky Quartz crystals have the ability to send stuff back to where it came from. So,
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