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    Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

    Welcome to our podcast!

    My name is Richard H. Ostler and I am a native of Salt Lake City, small business owner, married father of six with several grandchildren. I believe in and am deeply committed to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and want it to work for a wider group.
    I am the author of three books:

    “Listen Learn and Love: Embracing LGBTQ Latter-day Saints” published in 2020 available at Amazon (amazon.com/dp/1462135773)

    “Listen Learn and Love: Improving Latter-day Saint Culture” published in 2022. The book explores who we can do better to help all Latter-day Saints feel more welcome, needed and a feeling of belonging in our congregations. Available at Amazon (amazon.com/dp/1462139566)

    “Listen Learn and Love: Building the Good Ship Zion” released in Sept 2023. The book explores additional topics to help all Latter-day Saint feel welcome and needed on the Good Ship Zion. Available at Amazon (amazon.com/dp/1462145280)

    The purpose of all three books is to help us better create Zion by helping more feel welcome, a sense of belonging, and needed in our congregations.

    Proceed from the books go the Stockton Power Memorial Scholarship (www.standingforstockton.com) in honor of Stockton Powers a gay Latter-day Saint teenager who died of suicide in 2016. Everything I do is a self-funded labor of love ❤️

    I am the author of two Ensign articles:

    ‘How the Savior’s Healing Power Applies to Repenting from Sexual Sin’ (August 2020/YSA Digital Only) www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2020/08/young-adults/how-the-saviors-healing-power-applies-to-repenting-from-sexual-sin

    ‘7 Tips for Overcoming Pornography Use’ (October, page 72) www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2020/10/young-adults/7-tips-for-overcoming-pornography-use.

    This podcast is designed to discuss some more complicated issues in our church to help all of us better “listen, learn and love” so we can minister in a more effective way to all of our Heavenly Parents’ children.

    Podcasts are indexed by category at listenlearnandlove.org/podcasts

    Thank you for joining us. You can’t donate to this podcast. There are no sponsors. But you can leave a review/rate the podcast on the platform you are listening and/or leave a review at Deseret Book/Amazon on my books.

    With love, Richard ‘Papa’ Ostler ❤

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    Episode 621: Dr Paul Reeve, LDS Historian, New Book “Let’s Talk about Race and Priesthood” Mar 09, 2023
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    My friend Paul Reeve (active Latter-day Saint, Simmons Chair of Mormon Studies at University of Utah, author, married father of six) joins us to talk about his new book (published by Deseret Book) called “Let’s Talk about Race and Priesthood.” This book (forward written by Darius A. Gray) shares the historical facts and personal stories around this important topic. Paul has divided the book into three sections: Phase One: Universal Priesthood and Temples Phase Two: Segregated Priesthood and Temples Phase Three: A Return to Racial Inclusivity Paul talks about why this book is needed, how racism still is a challenge in our Church, how understanding our history—even the difficult chapters—is essential to healing and coming together to create Zion. In addition to the historical facts, Paul humanizes this topic by sharing stories of black Latter-day Saints impacted by priesthood and temple restrictions. I believe it is the responsibility of Latter-day Saints to know our history. I encourage all of us to read Paul’s book and reflect on what we can do in our circle to better support black Latter-day Saints and root our racism—following the charge extended by President Nelson. Deseret Book writes about this series of books: “Each is written by a trusted, faithful scholar who thoroughly explains the topic including key issues to consider. Designed for people who have sincere questions and are seeking answers, the series provides access to some of the best thinking in the Church.” Thank you for Paul for your life work to help us understand this issue—and bring to light the heroic and often painful stories of black Latter-day Saints. Podcast Links: Deseret Book: https://deseretbook.com/p/let-s-talk-about-race-and-priesthood Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1639931198 Black Latter-day Saint database: www.CenturyOfBlackMormons.org Paul Reeve bio: https://faculty.utah.edu/u0033169-W._PAUL_REEVE/hm/index.hml

    Episode 620: Melissa Inouye, New Book “Every Needful Thing”, Essays from 22 Latter-day Saint Women Mar 06, 2023
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    Dr. Melissa Inouye, someone I deeply admire and respect, joins us to talk about a new book she and Kate Holbook (who died in August 2022) edited called “Every Needful Thing: Essays on the Life of the Mind and the Heart.” The book is a collection of twenty-two essays from accomplished academic and professional Latter-day Saint women. Melissa talks about why she and Kate decided to create this book, why this book is needed, and who is the audience. Melissa talks about gospel principles of belonging, learning, extending the stakes of Zion, and the systematic societal imbalances that work against us hearing and valuing women’s stories. The book is published by Deseret Book and BYU Maxwell Institute. Melissa also talks about how the School of the Prophets is a living framework for the restoration and how D&C 88 is bases for this book. Melissa also shares some of her personal story from a feeling in High School of being drawn to academia—and how that became a reality of her life—a story that gives perspective and hope to others starting their journey. Melissa also talks directly to those working to stay in the Church who have honest concerns about historical and/or current issues. This was a powerful part of the podcast. I encourage all Latter-day Saints to listen to this podcast and read this book. It helps us create Zion. Thank you, Melissa, Kate, and all the Latter-day Saint women, involved in the book and all your combined efforts throughout our Church. Your work is needed and appreciated. Podcast Links Kate Holbrook’s obituary: https://www.larkinmortuary.com/obituary/view/kate-holbrook--94/ Book Links: Deseret Book: https://deseretbook.com/p/every-needful-thing Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1639931260 Crossings: A Bald Asian American Latter-day Saint Woman Scholar's Ventures Through Life, Death, Cancer, and Motherhood: https://www.amazon.com//dp/194439480X

    Episode 619: Taylor Smith, Navigating Complicated Church Topics, Creating Space and Zion Mar 03, 2023
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    My friend Taylor Smith (married father of 5, active LDS, born in Canada, lives in Maryland) joins us to share an extended version of a talk he gave in Church back in September 2022 about his journey to better see, mourn and support those in our Church who may have a harder road to walk (women, black members, LGBTQ members, those with honest questions, etc). Taylor talks about how in recent years he has experienced a paradigm shift that has allowed him to more genuinely love and support these individuals—amongst some wrestling’s of his own—while he stays a committed Latter-day Saint. Taylor shares quotes from church leaders, scriptures, and gospel principles about how we can better create Zion—and move from saying theoretically that there is a place for everyone in the church, towards actually creating that place in reality. He becomes emotional at times when he shares some of his experiences of listening and sitting with the pain of those walking a harder road. It is hard to put into a podcast description the power for Taylor’s message. All I can say is, if you are working through a faith crisis, looking to create more space in our congregations, looking to create Zion, or looking to better support marginalized Latter-day Saints, please listen to Taylor’s powerful talk. I was deeply moved. Thank you, Taylor and your wife Judy, for all the good you are both doing in our church community. Thank you for your willingness to be vulnerable and helping to better love, understand and support others. You are making a difference. If you would like to contact Taylor, his e-mail address is tayandjudysmith@gmail.com Podcast Links: Taylor’s talk via DropBox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s89wap1atvfyfox/Taylor%20Smith%20LL%26L%20Podcast%20-%202.25.23.pdf?dl=0

    Episode 618: HXP (Humanitarian XP) Feb 28, 2023
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    I asked my friends at HXP (formerly HEFY) to come on the podcast and introduce this non-profit providing Latter-day Saint youth trips around the world. We joined by: Amy Antonelli: CEO Kelsi Christensen: Chief Innovations Officer Hannes Du Randt: Program Designer/Trip Leader The HXP teams introduces HXP, its worldwide trips (288 scheduled for the Summer of 2023; almost all full), the needs for parent builders, its goals and hopes. The team goes on to talk about the hopes to positively impact youth (95% are Latter-day Saint Youth and all Trip Leaders are active Latter-day Saints) to feel God’s love for them and other people around the world—as the engage in sustainable and impactful humanitarian projects. They talk about sign up for 2024 trips (enrollment opens in early November 2023). Each HXP members share some of their story including Amy finding worth/value/perspective as a single Latter-day Saints, Kelsi serving a mission in Brazil, a people she loved, and connecting with the Japanese people she hoped to serve, and Hannes (a dear family friend) his conversion story (that happened in the same room we record podcasts). If you are an LDS parent looking for a uniquely positive experience for your youth (ages 14-16 for domestic trips; 16-19 for international trips), please check out this podcast and HXP. And if you are looking to build your faith by hearing others experiences, Amy, Kelsi and Hannes will inspire you. Thank you, Amy, Kelsi, Hannes and everyone at HXP for your much needed work in our world. Links mentioned: HXP: https://www.humanitarianxp.org/ Hannes’ Conversation Story (Episode 7): https://soundcloud.com/user-818501778/episode-7-hannes-du-randt-mormon-conversation-story

    Episode 617: Emily Wood, Healing from Pain and Trauma Feb 25, 2023
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    My friend (and former YSA) joins us to bravely talk about the pain and trauma experienced as a nanny in Germany. Emily later returned to Germany and served in the same area—and had a chance encounter with those responsible for her pain/trauma and talks about feelings of God’s love for them. However, feeling God’s love for them and forgiveness, didn’t fully resolve the trauma as Emily was still rejecting herself. Emily bravely shares her journey to see, address, and solve trauma. It’s a remarkable story. A story that will help others working to solve trauma and those wanting to help them. Thank you, Emily, for being on the podcast. I learned so much from you. I wish I had understood the principles and concepts you shared much earlier. Thank you your courage to be on the podcast. You are awesome! Links mentioned in the podcast: Emily Coaching Business: www.growwithzoella.com

    Episode 616: Geri Broadbent, Husband Died in 2021 at Age 43, Mother of Four Feb 22, 2023
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    My friend Geri Broadbent joins us to share the story of her husband Dan who died at age 43 after an 6-year battle cancer. Geri talks about the years (some during COVID) of his cancer treatments and his passing in December of 2021. She talks about the things she did to find hope and support during his battle and after his passing. She talks about the courage of her husband Dad and how she found to best support him. She talks about things family and friends did that were helpful—and how we can do better. She talks about life after Dan including Church (Geri in an active Latter-day Saint), therapy, finding hope and healing, and supporting her four children. If you have lost your spouse or a loved one—or are looking to better support someone walking this road, I encourage you to listen to Geri’s story. She is vulnerable, brave, real, insightful—with unique insights to find hope and healing. Thank you, Geri, for being on the podcast. You did a great job of honoring your good husband Dan and bringing more understanding for support people dealing with the death of a loved one. You voice is so needed in our community. Links mentioned in the podcast: Geri’s Instagram Account: https://www.instagram.com/dan_beats_cancer/ Dan’s obituary: https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/name/daniel-broadbent-obituary?id=31800935

    Episode 615: Bonnie Young, Author of Sex Educated: Letters from a LDS Therapist to Her Younger Self Feb 19, 2023
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    My friend Bonnie Young (active Latter-day Saint, LMFT, married mother of two) joins us to talk about her groundbreaking new book, "Sex Educated: Letters from a Latter-day Saint Therapist to Her Younger Self." While Bonnie wrote this book mainly for Latter-day Saint women who desire to maturely and compassionately reflect on their own sexual journeys, it can also be used as a tool and resource for parents, Latter-day Saint couples, fathers of daughters, and for younger Latter-day Saints who are searching for faith-based and research-backed sexual education. Each chapter of the book is a letter that Bonnie writes to her younger self, and each letter has a different focus. The contents of the letters explore the importance of learning about sex, the goodness of sex, consent, modesty and maturation, the centrality of women's sexual development and experiences, healing from sexual shame, and more. I was deeply moved listening to Bonnie’s insights about the important and sensitive topic— I wish I had a book like this during my growing up years. I encourage listeners to check out Bonnie’s book. When we know better, we do better. Thank you, Bonnie, for being on the podcast and your needed work in our community. Links mentioned: Bonnie’s book: https://a.co/d/eAX5Loj Bonnie Young Counseling: www.bonnieyoungcounseling.com Azure Counseling: https://www.azurecounseling.com/

    Episode 614: Emma Edwins, Convert, Transgender Latter-day Saint, Part 2 Feb 15, 2023
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    My friend Emma Edwins (Masters Degree in Marriage and Family Therapy; Licensed Clinical Counselor, who was on Episode 598) joins us to update her story. Emma, a convert and active Latter-day Saint, shares answers to questions she is receiving. Emma talks about a thoughtful and balanced approach to supporting others who experience gender dysphoria and are considering transitioning. Emma also talks about making this conversation about listening, understanding and being open to learning—and not fear based narratives. If you are looking to better understand and support transgender Latter-day Saints, Emma’s story will help you. And if you have feelings of gender dysphoria, Emma’s insights will help you. Thank you, Emma, for being on the podcast. You are a remarkable woman doing much good in many circles. You are helping us create Zion. Honored to have you on the podcast! Podcast links: Emma’s YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMcGpe-zLbY Emma’s email: storiesoflatterdayfaith@gmail.com Emma’s other podcast (Episode 598): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-598-emma-edwins-convert-transgender-latter/id1347971725?i=1000591219814 Richard Ostler solo podcast on this topic (Episode 601): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-601-conversation-with-my-trans-friends-and/id1347971725?i=1000591977601 Church transgender web site: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/transgender Ministering to LGBTQ Latter-day Saints Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1433556613672143 Richard Ostler Book: Embracing LGBTQ Latter-day Saints: Deseret Book: www.deseretbook.com/p/listen-learn-and-love-embracing-lgbtq-latter-day-saints Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/1462135773

    Episode 613: Jacob Guy, Age 22, Gay Latter-day Saint Feb 12, 2023
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    My friend Jacob Guy, (RM, FSY Counselor, Weber State Student) joins us to share his story. Jacob talks about his spiritual journey and temple attendance to come out to himself and others about 18 months ago. That included breaking off a serious relationship with a woman. Jacob shares a powerful visual analogy of being locked out of the house of happy married straight people and not having a key to open the door—one of the most powerful examples I’ve heard. Jacob talks about his rock-solid relationship with Jesus and how He is helping him find hope and peace concurrently with the unknowns of his future. Jacob reads from his from his scriptures to share some of his favorite stories of Jesus and the principles Jesus teaching that apply to all of our lives. I was deeply moved hearing Jacob’s courageous, no-shame, spiritually mature story—including deep peace and acceptance of his sexual orientation. If you are in the process of coming out (even to yourself), Jacob’s story will help you. If you are out, I believe Jacob’s story will help you. And if you are looking to better understand and support LGBTQ Latter-day Saints, Jacob’s story will help you. Thank you for being on the podcast Jacob. You are a good man. Links mentioned in the podcast: Ministering to LGBTQ Latter-day Saints Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1433556613672143 Richard Ostler Book: Embracing LGBTQ Latter-day Saints: Deseret Book: www.deseretbook.com/p/listen-learn-and-love-embracing-lgbtq-latter-day-saints Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/1462135773

    Episode 612: Sherry Cassel, Sexual Assault Survivor, Early 60’s, Active LDS, Mother of Three Feb 09, 2023
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    ** Trigger Warning: Sexual Assault** My friend Sherry Cassel bravely shares her story of being a survivor of sexual assault (from infancy until after her mission) and ongoing verbal and physical assault well into adulthood. Further, Sherry talks about how she became sexually active after her mission (partly because it was the only way she had been programed to feel loved) and having three children out of wedlock from three different men. Sherry talks about her love for these wonderful children. Sherry talks about being diagnosed with Complex PTSD and her road to dealing, accepting, and working to solve her mental health issues resulting from long-term trauma. Sherry talks about the beautiful relationship she has with her children (two with temple marriages and the third a member of the LGBTQ+ community who is navigating well in life through their own mental illness journey). She also talks about her patriarchal blessing and the importance of that blessing into her eternal destiny and also finding peace that some of her mortal dreams will not happen. If you are a survivor of past/current abuse, Sherry’s powerful podcast will help you. And if you are looking for better support and understand abuse survivors, Sherry’s insights will help you. And if you are just looking for a story or courage, faith and forgiveness, Sherry’s story will inspire you. Thank you, Sherry, for your courage to be on the podcast and share your story. You are brave. You are free from shame. You are one of my new heroes. Your story will help so many! Links mentioned in the podcast: Sherry’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/momto4xo Richard Ostler Repentance Chapter: https://www.dropbox.com/s/beou6wikby3rox0/Chapter%205%20Hope-Filled%20Repentance.%20%20%20Listen%20Learn%20and%20Love%2C%20Improving%20Lattter-day%20Saint%20Culture.pdf?dl=0 Elder Kearon General Conference Talk: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2022/04/24kearon Steve Young’s Book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1639930310

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