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    It’s a Very Exciting Time

    A podcast by a UFO nerd and his tolerant friend. Because if UFOs are real… what else? If any of this turns out to be true, it’s a very exciting time!

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    Copyright: © Scott Vandehey & Chuck Lauer Vose

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    07. USS Nimitz Encounter Jan 09, 2023
    Show notes

    In 2004, the USS Nimitz carrier group tracked hundreds of anomalous radar signals while preparing for a training exercise. Commander David Fravor, flying an F/A-18 Super Hornet, was dispatched to investigate one signal and encountered an unusual flying craft he described as the "tic-tac." This incident was discussed in the 2017 New York Times coverage of the Pentagon's UAP office, including the now-famous "FLIR" video. Today we're going to discuss the incident in detail, and why it marks a turning point in the UFO conversation.

    References:

    • Detailed Official Report On Harrowing Encounter Between F/A-18s and UFO Surfaces
    • What The Hell Is Going On With UFOs And The Department Of Defense?
    • Multiple F/A-18 Pilots Disclose Recent UFOs Encounters, New Radar Tech Key In Detection
    • Carrier Group In Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech Like Nimitz In 2004 Incident
    • Recent UFO Encounters With Navy Pilots Occurred Constantly Across Multiple Squadrons
    • Stunned by UFOs, ‘exasperated’ fighter pilots get little help from Pentagon

    06. Where is the 2022 UAP Report? Dec 12, 2022
    Show notes

    The 2022 UAP Report was due on October 31. It's December now, so where is it? Today we'll dive into what we know about the delay, and whether there are dueling factions in the US government on the topic of UFOs. But the good news is that the 2023 NDAA just passed, and it includes several really exciting additions regarding UAP, including protection for whistleblowers!

    References:

    • 10/28 — NYT: Many military UFO reports are just foreign spying or airborne trash
    • 10/31 — Daily Mail: Only half of UFO sightings can be explained
    • 10/31 — Exoacademian: "vast majority of hits in baseball are not home runs" tweet
    • 10/31 — Eric Weinstein: "high performing seagulls" tweet
    • 11/07 — The Hill: Pro- and anti-UFO factions in government? It wouldn't be the first time
    • 11/16 — John Greenewald's FOIA request shows UAP report not released to Congress yet
    • 11/29 — Ross Coulthart discusses the late UAP report and the "shameful" NYT story
    • 12/03 — Chris Mellon discusses the late UAP report and the NDAA UAP provisions
    • 12/08 — NDAA passes (more info on UAP provisions)

    05. Recommendations for UFO books, videos, etc Nov 27, 2022
    Show notes

    Chuck's out sick this week, so I've got a mini-episode for you. If you've enjoyed the topic so far, you might be interested in going a bit further. If so, here are some books, TV series, documentaries, and podcasts that I'd recommend.

    Books

    • In Plain Sight: An investigation into UFOs and impossible science by Ross Coulthart, 2021 — Came out just before 2021 UAP report, feels like a good summary
    • UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record by Leslie Kean, 2010 — Covers nuts-and-bolts credible witnesses
    • The Believer: Alien Encounters, Hard Science, and the Passion of John Mack by Ralph Blumenthal, 2021 — Explores how a well respected Harvard psychiatrist risked his career to study abductees and experiencers
    • Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows (fiction) by Tom DeLonge and A.J. Hartley, 2016 — Interesting insight into what Tom believes. NOT recommended: Sekret Machines non-fiction series

    Series

    • Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation, by History Channel, 2019 — The TTSA series focused on Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon
    • Hangar 1: The UFO Files, by History Channel, 2014 — Netflix series that goes over famous cases in MUFON files
    • UFO by JJ Abrams, 2021 — A four-part Showtime series, good summary

    Documentaries

    • The Phenomenon by James Fox, 2020 — Well-regarded in the UFO community as a summary
    • Ariel Phenomenon by Randall Nickerson, 2022 — Covers a famous incident at the Ariel School in Zimbabwe
    • Unacknowledged, by Michael Mazzola, 2017 — A bit breathless, but decent summary of what Steven Greer believes
    • Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers by Jeremey Corbell, 2018 — Perhaps overly credible, but interesting

    Podcasts

    • The UFO Rabbit Hole, by Kelly Chase — Easily my favorite, Kelly is a great speaker, and thoughtful
    • Point of Convergence, by ExoAcademian — Get ready to go deep and weird
    • Need to Know, by Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel — Excellent discussion of UFO news by investigative journalists

    04. Bob Lazar Nov 13, 2022
    Show notes

    Bob Lazar is arguably the most controversial figure in the world of UFOs. In a nutshell, Bob is a whistleblower who came out in 1988 with claims that he worked in a reverse engineering program for recovered alien craft that are kept at Area 51. Today we're going to get into it: Who is Bob, what does he claim, why did he come forward, and what are the points that make him more or less credible. Because if anything Bob claims is true? …It's a very exciting time!

    References

    • Bob Lazar’s site
    • Jeremy Corbell documentary
    • Joe Rogan interview (I know, I know, Joe Rogan is awful. But the interview is quite good and you get to hear from Bob firsthand)
    • Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers, Explained
    • Robert Bigelow clears the air about Bob Lazar
    • Bob Lazar Says the FBI Raided Him to Seize Area 51's Alien Fuel. The Truth Is Weirder
    • Bob Lazar Speaks Out About Area 51 And S-4
    • Bob Lazar's story, is it believable?
    • Google Maps: Area 51

    03. The Admiral Wilson Memo Nov 01, 2022
    Show notes

    The Admiral Wilson Memo — aka, The Wilson-Davis Notes, The Core Secrets Memo, etc — is a document that records an alleged conversation between astrophysicist Dr. Eric Davis and Admiral Wilson, the recently retired director of the DIA. They discuss Wilson's attempts to locate a secret UFO program in the military, which he found, and was denied access to. The document is controversial to say the least, but the story is fascinating, and if it's true, reveals the existing of a secret crash retrieval and reverse engineering program!

    References:

    • Complete Summary of Wilson Davis Memo
    • ‘UFO leak of the century’ contained in 15-page document, historian says
    • The Amazing Wilson-Davis Documents
    • Stanford Prof. & US Navy Vet’s Claims Might Prove Wilson-Davis UFO Memo Is Authentic
    • The Wilson-Davis Memo is Authentic

    02. Tom DeLonge Oct 31, 2022
    Show notes

    We're talking about how all the big UFO news we discussed in our last episode — from the 2017 New York Times article to congressional hearings — can be traced back to Tom Delonge. Yes, that Tom DeLonge. The lead singer of Blink 182. Buckle up, this one's a wild ride.

    References:

    • Politico: How Harry Reid, a Terrorist Interrogator and the Singer From Blink-182 Took UFOs Mainstream
    • UFO Rabbit Hole: Mr. DeLonge Goes to Washington, part 1
    • UFO Rabbit Hole: Mr. DeLonge Goes to Washington, part 2
    • That UFO Podcast: Tom DeLonge Profile, part 1
    • That UFO Podcast: Tom DeLonge Profile, part 2

    01. Why are we recording a podcast about UFOs? Oct 30, 2022
    Show notes

    "Really? You wanna be the UFO guy?" Yeah, actually, I do! Because I think most people don't understand that since 2017 there has been a rapid increase in astonishing information about UFOs. From the 2017 New York Times article disclosing the existence of a secret Pentagon UFO program, to the release of confirmed Navy videos of UFOs, to Congress demanding an annual report about what the military knows about UFOs, to the recent proposal to grant immunity to UFO program whistleblowers — there's been a LOT!

    When I was growing up, UFOs were treated as a joke. News reports would include the X-Files theme, and anyone talking about the subject seriously would get teased about "little green men." But that seems to be changing. More and more, the topic is taken seriously.

    And the thing is, once you accept, as Congress and the Pentagon seem to have, that there are unidentified craft flying around the sky… what else is real? If it's true? It's a very exciting time!

    References:

    • New York Times 2017: Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program
    • New York Times 2019: ‘Wow, What Is That?’ Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects
    • Politico 2019: Senators get classified briefing on UFO sightings
    • Politico 2020: Senators want the public to see the government's UFO reports
    • New York Times 2020: No Longer in Shadows, Pentagon’s U.F.O. Unit Will Make Some Findings Public
    • June 2021 ODNI: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
    • Politico 2021: ‘This is urgent’: Bipartisan proposal for UFO office pushes new boundaries
    • Politico 2022: Pentagon getting more UFO reports now that 'stigma has been reduced'
    • War Zone 2022: UFO Whistleblowers Would Get Immunity Under New Amendment
    • Motherboard 2022: Congress Admits UFOs Not ‘Man-Made,’ Says ‘Threats’ Increasing ‘Exponentially’

    Bonus: Chuck and Scott get their giggles out Oct 29, 2022
    Show notes

    A delight for the senses!


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