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    Gut Check Project

    Improve your health & quality of life, find the truth between natural and medical science. Join Ken and Co-host Eric Rieger on the GCP, and get an unfiltered approach to your health as they host guests from all over the world. Nothing is off limits. Step in and get your gut checked…Ken (Kenneth Brown, MD) is a board certified gastroenterologist that turned his private practice into a hotbed of innovation. Ken has long been intrigued on how to best care for his patients. He challenged big pharma and developed an all natural solution (Atrantil) for bloating and symptoms of IBS. That lead him to dig deeper and find more answers and uses for polyphenols. Then he began to help his patients that were suffering from inflammation, not only in their guts, but their entire bodies, including neuro/brain & immune issues. Dr. Brown has tackled serious issues with natural and proven methods that his patients love him for. But he is not finished. The Gut Check Project exists to find better answers for you in all aspects of health. Experts in all fields of study, industry, and interest will be found on the GCP. Eric (Eric Rieger, CRNA) is Ken’s business partner and actually met Ken while delivering anesthesia to his patients in 2012. Eric saw first hand the passion that Ken had for his patients, his support staff, and for the answers that could improve people’s lives. Eric enjoys science and research swell, and has a passion for helping people find sensible means to take care of themselves, but always armed with the best information. Join the GCP and SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE!!!!

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    Is Your Gas and Bloating Really EPI?! Jul 20, 2020
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    Ken Brown 0:00
    Welcome, everybody to gut check project, Episode Number 39. A super cool one because my co host is also our guest, the expert, the person that we all love whenever Eric goes out of town on a mountain biking expedition, which is what he's doing right now. So we have the super smart, super well trained Dr. Stuart Akerman as both our expert guest and our host, Dr. Akerman, thanks for coming.

    Stuart Akerman 0:27
    Ah, thanks for having me here. I was more than happy to pay for Eric's vacation so that I can do this.

    Ken Brown 0:33
    You are pretty sly like that. That's pretty interesting. You're sort of, you're sort of pushing him out. And so I think that's, you know, he thinks he's having fun.

    Stuart Akerman 0:41
    I made him think it was his idea. I mean, that was really what came down to.

    Ken Brown 0:46
    Well, in today's episode, this is really cool because when I said that Dr. Ackerman is both the co host today and our expert is because we're going to tackle a topic that a lot of people have and it is diarrhea specifically related to something called a epi exocrine pancreatic insufficiency and you're like, Huh, I saw a commercial on that. What's that? Exactly. That's what all my patients say. They're like, what is this? They come in and talk about this. So usually whenever Eric and I before we start, Dr. Akerman, what is going on with you and the Akerman family anything personal you want to share?

    Stuart Akerman 1:20
    Yeah, could share all kinds of things. It's been definitely interesting. And the quarantine life as we now gear up at the end of the summer trying to figure out what do the kids kids are sort of excited to go back to school not sure what they're going to do, but I never thought they'd have this problem that they've actually watched all there is to watch on TV and they need something else to do.

    Ken Brown 1:44
    That reminds me of I think I saw some funny video where somebody was sitting in front of in front of his computer and it goes, you've done it. You've reached the end of the internet.

    Stuart Akerman 1:54
    It's kinda like that. There's nothing. You only have so many subscriptions, I guess.

    Ken Brown 1:58
    Exactly. Yeah, well in the brown household. I took Lucas to a tournament pretty cool. in Wichita Falls, it was a well run tournament. So kudos to the tournament director out there. It was a college tournament. So Lucas out, unfortunately lost in a tough third set tiebreak to a really good player. And you know, we just kind of move on. And we got so excited to talk about what he learned from that. And then by the time we got back to Dallas, they had canceled the national tournament, which is why he was doing this to prepare for the next one. And so we're dealing with that where we try and make plans and keep these the passion up. So

    Stuart Akerman 2:37
    And you know, when we were talking the other night, I actually realized after we hung up that I wanted to ask Lucas, I mean, I know that it's a junior tournament. So there's no betting and things like that. But there must be some sort of handicapping system right because they are rankings. Where was he ranked in comparison to this kid who's several years older than him?

    Ken Brown 2:58
    Well, this was actually a college tournament. So it was for college players. And so he's 15 he played a 21 year old and actually they're just on ranking level is they were both on par so the two he's Lucas was the number one seed in the tournament. And that man was the second was the number two seed so it worked out perfect the bracket got the what I consider the two best players to play in the end. And funny you bring that up because him and I were in Panama right when COVID hit because we had to bust out a Panama he was doing what's called an ITF. And I happen to have a friend there in Panama who lives there and has been doing sort of digital marketing and all this stuff. And he was running a betting website. And he goes it's not he goes people from around the world will bet on anything. And then we started talking tennis and he goes the most rigged sport, like for betting where people like there's all kinds of junior level sports that people bet on because they know that they can kind of tilt the odds one way or the other.

    Stuart Akerman 3:55
    Oh my gosh.

    Ken Brown 3:56
    There's yeah, it was a whole new world for me. So like when you say that I kind of cringe because I was Just like oh, no, you know, we've got we're going to start like hustling you know peewee baseball and stuff like that.

    Stuart Akerman 4:07
    I thought I thought about how he took a, you know, someone who's I think five years or six years older than him to the brink and almost beat him.

    Ken Brown 4:15
    Yeah.

    Stuart Akerman 4:16
    But has such a competitive spirit to be upset by that.

    Ken Brown 4:20
    Oh, totally upset, like, on the way home just, you know, I had two match but he had two match points. I had two match points. I just, I just would have you know, I'm like, I know. I know. It's, it's life and what's really cool is that you know, you move on and do that. So I apologize a little bit if I'm a little nasally. I do not know what blew into town, but it is killing my allergies today. So and I, it's not COVID I smell great. Also two things. I don't smell great. But I can still smell things.

    Stuart Akerman 4:48
    Smell things

    Ken Brown 4:49
    Smell things. So let's get back at this. So before everybody's like, well, they're just gonna talk about their family the whole time, I want to reiterate something so we stole Dr. Akerman four years ago, three years ago.

    Stuart Akerman 5:01
    Five years ago.

    Ken Brown 5:02
    Holy cow time passes fast. We stole him from New York because he is a specially trained expert in advanced endoscopy. So he does the things that most of us have not been trained in. And a lot of that involves the pancreas. So you and I got to talking and we had a patient recently who showed up to have her endoscopy done and she said, Hey, do I have this? And I called you in and you looked at that unlike epi exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, I'm like, man, if these drug companies are spending so much time advertising for it, we better just address this head on and let's just have an episode you're a pancreas expert. I'm more of a lumenologists is how I like to consider myself and so the lumen I like colons and I like stomachs and and hemorrhoids but you are an advanced trained person that everybody if you have a pancreas call up Dr. Akerman and make sure that your pancreas is okay. So hat you know, that's what I'm saying.

    Stuart Akerman 5:58
    Yeah, so this is definitely something that's getting a lot of press. And, you know, if you look around TV, internet, I mean, it feels like the ads are just constantly jumping at you. And it's something that it gives everyone pause that has diarrhea. And, you know, there are different estimates, but more than 5% in a conservative estimate more than 5% of the population deals with chronic diarrhea in some form. And you know, 5% is a lot of people and not everyone gets to the bottom of what's going on with them and gets that relief and that, that feeling that they know exactly what it is and how to deal with it. And for years, pretty much we knew about inflammatory bowel disease and knew how to evaluate for it and rule it out. And then there's kind of a short list, you know, all we look for what we have, you don't have any of that you probably have IBS.&n...


    Masks & Face Coverings: Healthy Choice or Hysteria? Jul 09, 2020
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    Hello gut check project fans and KBMD health family It is now time for COVID believe it or not episode installment number eight. We can't escape it. It will not go away this this is going to be probably the most controversial episode to date that we've ever done on on COVID. Your co host here, Dr. Kenneth brown along with me, Eric Rieger. Ken, what's happening?

    Not much, Eric. I mean, this is this this episode the way that we're getting into some murky waters. Now we're talking about some controversial things here. And, you know, after watching that video of that Scottsdale woman, barge into the target, and tear apart that mass display. She was wearing that $40,000 watch and it really got me wondering, What is she doing shopping at target with a $40,000 watch on I mean isn't that more of a Neiman's thing or she used to be tearing apart the mask station at Neiman's or I don't know.

    You'd think you could use that watch to get somebody to go shopping for you.

    It's just such an odd world we're living in. All of this stuff is being captured. And it's not like somebody filmed her. She sent out front filmed herself said this is what I'm gonna do. With a $40,000 watch on. I'm gonna go into this target and I'm gonna destroy this mask display because masks. So Eric Rieger this episode is controversial. What are we going to talk about today?

    Well, it sounds to me like we're going to be talking about Karens on Reddit. Is that right?

    No, not even close we're gonna be talking about.

    Honestly you know what I'll get we got some fans out there and I know two friends of mine whose names are Karen and I think that sucks that they always have to be under fire for a good name.

    Oh, your poor Karen friends. They're taking a beating right now.

    Ridiculous. But regardless, so no, Karen's on Reddit, what are we going to be doing?

    Well, we're gonna talk about masks, and we're just gonna kick some science like we always do. So this isn't a political thing. This isn't a controversial Well, it's controversial for some people. And I don't really understand why because I just want to go over the science of this. So before we get into that, let's talk about what's going on locally. And certainly one thing happened that you and I could not participate in, and it's our good friend, Nick and Jessica's wedding that happened on Friday. Why? Because big shout out to them. Congratulations. That's awesome. Nick is one of our most valued employees. He started the company with us. Love the fact that he got married and I hate the fact that you and I couldn't go.

    Yeah, unfortunately, the procedure center that we do all of the endoscopies at...we had a confirmed at least two cases of people that came through we were advised as healthcare providers that we needed to be diligent for at least five days and make certain that we did not insert our presence into crowds of more than 10 publicly and that was, I mean, not to be able to go and support someone that we care a lot about such as Nick and then his new wife Jessica was no fun at all. But on top of that, it also led to doing next to nothing for five days over the Fourth of July weekend. So our freedom was basically sit at home and just trying to get people sick.

    That's exactly it. I've got a great firework display of me with a one of those little sparklers in my backyard alone.

    Yeah, that's that's about as far as is it gotta be here. We fortunately I live in the country. So there is a handful of folks who shot off fireworks but that pretty much concluded the Fourth of July weekend for 2020.

    A quick shout out to my mom just turned 78 on July 4th, got a bunch of pitches from her love the fact that she's still kicking it staining her own deck staining her own deck, taking care of her own yard. 78 mom Happy birthday.

    Happy birthday. Diana Brown. That's awesome.

    Um, so this is a really interesting thing. I'm a little bit shocked about the whole way that we're kind of approaching this whole mask situation and all these other things right now. This is July 2020, we're in the middle of a pandemic, we're having a resurgence of everything. Everybody's flipping out again, we had the first flip out, and now we're having flip out number two, and everybody's wondering what the government's gonna do, but I don't blame them because we're six months into this pandemic. And there's so many things that have had misinformation from organizations that we traditionally would say, Oh, they said it, it's perfect. So like the CDC and the who the World Health Organization. Let's just go over a couple quick things. And if you look back at the earlier episodes of gut check project on COVID. We've been ahead of the science the whole time, and we've really just tried to talk science not conjecture, not scary, nothing like that. So this is initially, the who said, there's no evidence that this has human to human transmission. Wrong, learned that very quick, that was very wrong. And then the CDC came out and said masks don't matter. And wrong. Now they're mandatory. And we were told that hydroxychloroquine plaquenil was a panacea, it's gonna fix everything. It's gonna cure everybody. And then this article comes out and it says, no, it's harming people. And then everybody retracted articles from the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine and said, what are we doing publishing this, this crap? And really, an article came out last week that said, no a much more refined, well done study actually shows that it saves lives. And then when they looked back and looked at the original study, that it was probably poorly done, and they didn't equate for certain risk factors and stuff. So it's really hard to know what to actually do this is, this is unprecedented times, this is not something that we have ever dealt with before. So it's okay to be wrong. just own it and know that you're wrong.

    It is. And I do want to point out something before we get too far if you're watching this and you feel as if something's going to be presented from a political slant, trust me that is the furthest thing from what Ken and I want to do on this topic whatsoever. Science should be agnostic to any political affiliation. And I think what you're going to hear from Ken and I as we move forward, is just utilize data. That's what science is about. And that's how we save lives. It has zero to do with a with a political party whatsoever.

    Dude, this totally reminds me This is deja vu for me, though. I mean, you have to understand remember, I take polyphenols every single day. So I remember back in the 1940s and 50s when seatbelts were first proposed Getting in huge arguments with people. Oh, yeah, just like yeah, seat belts. It aroused heated debates, despite increasing scientific research. It was between, I think it was in 1947 I get in a huge argument with somebody that affirming that the this actually saves lives. And among the arguments put forth against the seat belts, there were all these other things. And they were all disputed by researchers. But the opposition to seat belts remained in place and it took all up to the 1980s to actually make it so that you all cars had to have three point seat belts. And I don't even know when the law went into place where basically you get a ticket if you don't so, I've been through this before I've been through arguments for science tries to win. And so I remember 1948, that was tough.

    That's it's amazing how young you look for having been around just after the World War Two and old enough to have that kind of conversation. So my hat's off to you for being around in the 40s. And, and and really just kind of keeping it together and passing for a 40 year old yourself now, so that's kind of weird.

    You know it. It's odd. It's a little bit odd.

    Yeah, it's really, really strange. I mean, like, seriously, you wer...


    Functional Nutrition with Gabrielle Grandell Jul 02, 2020
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    Welcome, everybody, KBMD health family and gut check project fans. We are back now with episode number 37. And we have an incredible guest. This is Gabrielle Grandell. She's gonna be joining us here in two minutes. But of course, this is the gut check project with your host, Dr. Ken Brown. Can you want to introduce Gabrielle for us?

    Yeah, absolutely. I'm so excited about this. We were introduced through a mutual friend Gabrielle Grandell. She is currently practicing at living well Dallas, a certified health coach certified in functional med as well. And she calls herself an integrative dietitian. Why am I so excited about this because I would love to be sending her people like all day long. This is so cool. And my goal is that she has enough fun that she's a recurring guest slash co co host, because I think she's gonna really elevate all of our games and fill in a lot of gaps that that I need some education on because even though I got a degree in gastroenterology, we do about this much nutrition and I'm learning about it a ton. So thank you so much for joining Gabrielle.

    Hi, everybody. Glad to be here. Thank you guys for having me on. Looking forward to chatting today.

    Definitely. So Gabrielle, you are at living well Dallas, correct?

    That is correct.

    So tell us a little bit about what it is you do at living well Dallas because I have a feeling that with your experience, something that Ken and I've talked about is how we see there is a stark difference between our allopathic ideas behind nutrition and the approaches to nutrition. But really, there's this whole other world that's really started to gain steam, even though it's been around for a few decades. And that's the functional medicine approach to nutrition and how to help out with patients who have some some pretty hairy questions. So kind of tell us a little bit about living well Dallas and what you do there.

    Yeah, thank you. So living well Dallas is the first Functional Medicine Center in Dallas. Oops, I hit some thing here on my screen.

    It's okay. We all, sometimes we always do things.

    So it's the first Functional Medicine Center in Dallas. And so functional medicine, right is is about thinking about the medicine sort of why. Why are things happening? Why? Why are these symptoms talking to us? And not just what is going on? But why is it happening and what can we do about it? And so functional medicine is, that's, you know, there's lots of different providers in the center that offer help and treating the whole person because it might be different, different things that they're dealing with, that they need support in. But where I come in is helping people with showing them how nutrition and what they're eating, their lifestyle, their environment, how all of that is helping or hurting them. And so most of the time, what's going on with these folks, whether it be digestive concerns, or headaches or hormonal issues or blood sugar dysregulation, we see all different kinds of people. But the different symptoms that they're experiencing, are usually as a result of what they're putting in their body and what they're putting around them, right, which is nutrition and lifestyle and you know environment. So I help people we have when they when people come in, they fill out a good deal of paperwork, which gives us a really good understanding of their history, kind of their goals, their readiness, we have a readiness assessment, which is really nice to try to gauge where people are coming from in terms of if they're ready to change their diet or their exercise or their sleep patterns or whatnot. We have them fill those things out. That gives me a good understanding of how they came to us and what they're ready to do what their diet history is like. Again, their environment, relationships, things like that purpose. And so we have them fill those things out. And then I'm going to go through that with them in their first visit. And we're going to talk about all the different ways that their body is speaking to them. What has worked before, what hasn't. One of the main differences, I think, between allopathic and functional for what I do is the amount of time that I'm spending with people. So before I was at the center, one of my other positions was at the hospital doing Clinical Nutrition and seeing, you know, 25 to 30 people in a short period of time, all over the hospital,

    Which so you were in a major hospital

    BUMC at Baylor University Medical Center. Yeah, in Dallas, which

    So, I love this. So you went and the reason why is Eric's heard me complain about this. And I've talked to my patients about this. Whenever I do hospital work, I am just absolutely shocked at how many bad things we do to patients. Like, let's not let them sleep, let's check their blood glucose at 2am. And no results. Let's do vitals just so that we can check a box. And then somebody that's in the cardiac rehab unit, they're eating their cardiac diet, which consists of pancakes, syrup, you know.

    But, it's low fat!

    Oh, it's just as long as it's low fat. Yeah, exactly. So that's awesome. I did not know that you did that. This is this is fantastic. Okay, keep going. I didn't mean to interrupt, but that is that that shift of being a nutritionist in a hospital system to doing what you're doing is you cannot get more polar opposite.

    And Gabrielle before you have to go too deep on on why I completely feel like the association for what Ken's looking for for his patients. And then what it is that you provide the audience may or may not realize that allopathic medicine itself is just traditional medicine as we view it today. And even though the word itself means scientifically based, I think that what has really appealed to Ken and me and others, like, like all three of us is that functional medicine has not forgotten the ideas behind applying new science to improve upon old methods. And the intake that you're talking about, traditionally, 15 years ago, there wasn't always a nutritionist who was experienced that took the time to one on one walk a patient through what's affecting them generally. I'm sorry, specifically, they were more general in approach.

    Very yeah, nothing was was individualized. And you know, I think that I don't think there should be really a monopoly on who can provide health information and who can help people right...their their husband but hopefully that changes as time goes on. So yeah, so doing the doing the intake paperwork and taking the time is very different than at the hospital where we'd see 25 or 30 people and we'd, you know, it's almost, you know, no disrespect, because I know that there's a lot of dietitians and there's a lot of people in the hospital that are making a difference and, you know, really helping out but it's almost like glorified lunch ladies, like we don't we're talking about calorie counting, we're talking about, you know, tube feed all this stuff is important, but what about the quality? You know, there, there's not enough emphasis on quality of food and again, an individualized approach. And so, so I think that's number one. One of the main differences is just the amount of time so it's like 90 minutes for a first visit. And then after that, which sounds like a lot, but really once you get the people talking and you know you are understanding what's going on And then you start talking about their, their goals and things. Time goes by really quick. I often, you know, struggle with keeping it to that time.

    You have...sorry, Eric really quick, just one of the best quotes I've heard in a long time. What I do is I find out what the symptoms are talking to my patients about you said the symptoms talk to us. Way different from my perspective, where you have a symptom, I treat it, it's saying something and we're ignoring what they're saying many times.

    Exactly. Yeah. And...


    COVID-19 Files: Ep. 7 Jun 25, 2020
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    Hello gut check project fans and KBMD health family We are here for what we think is going to be the last installment of the COVID files Episode 7.0. I'm here with your host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. And I honestly we, we got to a point where maybe we've just kind of COVID'd out. So we're going to book in this with some very important information simply because it's stuff that just came up. So what do you say Dr. Brown?

    Absolutely. I mean, I think a lot of people with everything that's gone on recently, it is just absolute overload. Part of the overload also is the amount of literature that's coming out regarding this whole COVID situation. We hear one thing we...you know, something else happens we know that all of a sudden, there's articles being retracted now and we're going to talk about that and then there's articles where this and that now it early on, if you look at our original COVID files, I really felt like we were doing a great job of staying of informing our audience and we stayed way ahead of the mainstream media. We were saying things quite honestly a couple months before stuff started getting out. And now we're finding out that okay, everybody's now starting to get or everybody you can get a preprint done, which now you can look up and you can do this and that's what we're going to talk about. I do have a kind of cool preprint whether it's true or not, but now it's almost like you have to put an Asterix next to scientific studies that are being put out there. And that's what we want to talk about today. Because as of this week, the who unfortunately got put under fire a little bit for saying some things and we want to talk about that. We want to then hopefully move on, get back to gut check project, get back to talking about food, nutrition, health, lifestyle, biohacking, all kinds of stuff that's a little bit more in our wheelhouse, but we I think we did a really good job of addressing the COVID attack that came on but I think it's, we just have to wait and see how it plays out now and then re circle back when everything's open.

    I'm in no, no joke. So let's let's just get straight to it. So and I'll preface only by saying this COVID file 7.0. And then we've had the half sessions where fortunately, Dr. Stewart Akerman has joined Dr. Brown to bring pertinent information for tests and interpretation. We've we've really kind of slowed down on trying to dive in much more on COVID because there's just been so much information just like what you said. And then what occurred earlier this week with some probably more misstated information than misinformation.

    Misstated is the way to say it, yeah, yeah, for sure.

    It's the World Health Organization which, by which full admission from my end you sometimes you kind of have to wonder what all of their motivations are. However, I feel that in this particular situation where Maria Van Kerkhove or Kerkhove I could be mispronouncing her name completely. I don't want to butcher it.

    Yeah, well, I've got yeah, I wanted to talk about that because her and I are actually pretty good friends. Yeah, I mean, like the press refers to her is Dr. Van Kerkhove, but I know as Maria Rosanna de Joseph Van Kerkhove and that's how I address her because we're close like that.

    That's cool, she sounded like she was from Nebraska. There's no doubt

    Maria Rosanne de Joseph Van Kerkhove. There's some Latin influence we've got some Italian we've got some I think de Joseph is what is de Joseph if you have a D if it's a MC, something McClanahan then you say Irish a de Joseph a D, with a little E. Large J what is that?

    De Joseph? I'm not really...

    Van seems somewhat Dutch. Kerkhove seems

    Scotch Romanian.

    Scotch Romanian Yeah, yeah. So, but it's funny because this this poor woman was at a press conference and was asked a question and she said something to the effect of basically oh, asymptomatic people probably can't transmit or it was just off the cuff. And literally, within minutes, reporters were tweeting the statement, which then became virally shared on social media, which then was immediately put on the news networks. And then we've got poor Dr. Fauci coming on going aye you know he probably call it i'm sure they're friends he's like, and I'm sure there is good enough friends as me and her are so Dr. Fauci called Maria Roseanne de Joseph Maria Rosanne de Joseph Van Kerkhove. I think and she just went I know Dr. Fauci, I'm that was at a press conference and I was just talking to a colleague. So

    So let's let's break down what she said she she basically interpreted and she has backtracked, but initially she made it sound as if acement....asymptomatic people or people who are not showing symptoms, even if infected, rarely transmit disease. Now this is this was big news because the reasons why we worked so hard to actively flatten the curve was because there was a threat of you may be spreading disease and having no idea. So in essence, what she initially said or the way it was interpreted was, well, what we thought was this massive threat. It's not that it doesn't exist. It's just not quite to the level that maybe we first were describing. And even I when I heard that I turned to you, I was like, did you hear what they just came out with?

    Oh, no, I mean, that's part of the problem. We're still socially distancing. But as soon as you heard her say that and you got the tweet, you drove the hour and 10 minutes to the studio and I was like, whoa, I'm like, what are you doing we're socially distancing? You're like, didn't you hear what the who said? It doesn't anymore! I'm symptomatic. We're fine. And, you know, unfortunately, you know, I was masked up wearing my body suit and stuff and I sprayed you with the hose, get out of here, go back, go back to Decatur. because we're still socially distancing. Hmm.

    Well, I think I just offended Eric, because he apparently dropped off this zoom call. So we've lost him for a moment. But it is true. What he's saying is that the who statement that Dr. van kerkhove mentioned off the cuff was essentially I apologize to our audience that I think I offended you when I said go back to Decatur because you you fell off, I apologize. I'm just saying will you please accept my apology and remain on this podcast with me?

    Yes, I will.

    Ok thank you.

    I was really, really hurt there.

    You're very, very forgiving man. So I was just, I was just reiterating that the doctor said an off the cuff statement that asymptomatic people. But what's really what the reason why Dr. fauci had to get involved. And the reason why it suddenly became spread through the news networks is because everything seems to become political. So that was why did we close the economy down? Oh, my gosh, let's get out there. And, you know, we were just talking on the last call that we just had with our partner, Mike logs in about how he was given the numbers in Texas. Some of the highest hospitalizations that we've had. I mean, I didn't see the article. Did you? Take a look at it? Actually,

    I did. And I'm going to butcher the last two digits. But essentially, the high watermark I think, was 1900 hospitalizations within one day. And the numbers that they came up with this morning, I believe, is they closed business yesterday was 2500. And change. Yeah, so significantly higher percentage wise, probably for a state of, you know, several million. Still a low percentage overall, but regardless, it's it's climbing and what's very, very important healthcare is trends, because trends are what guide us in what it is that we have to treat. So numbers, maybe not huge percentages. Certainly noticeable but the growth and the trend is is what you need to keep an eye on and currently, we are technically on an upward trend and I and by the way, I'll add that the last three weeks temperatur...


    Gut Check Project Ep 36: Father's Day Bio Hacks Jun 19, 2020
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    Hello gut check project fans and KB MD health family, it's time to get back to the gut check project. This is episode number 36. With your host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. I'm Eric Rieger. Dr. Brown, how are you doing today? I'm doing

    fantastic. We thought that we would get away from the whole COVID burden for a little bit, because it's Father's Day coming up. And you and I are both dads. You and I both had dads. Yes. And I'm very, very particular to the whole Father's Day thing, because unfortunately, my dad died 28 years ago, but I was very close to him. And I had a very close bond. And unfortunately your dad died three years ago, and three half years ago, yeah, three and a half years ago and we talked about our fathers a lot. We talk about what our fathers taught us. We talked about how our fathers helped us, and we tried to share those messages with our kids. And because of the show, we also try and share health hacks and so today's episode number 36. What should we call it?

    This is going to be the 2020 Father's Day. biohacker special, we think of that

    bio hacker special I like that the Father's Day bio hack special. That's actually called our hack special. Yeah, Mother's Day bio hacks special bio hacks special okay before we jump into it because we're getting into so many cool things that help your dad with and if you're a dad, you're like, I'm gonna want to do that. Remember this is for information only it's not intended to treat or diagnose and all recommendations here are for your information. And as always, if you have something weird going on, talk to your doctor. Eric, that goes for you stop showing me those weird rashes. I'm here for information and entertainment only. But seriously, get that looked at at some point.

    Think that you just broke HIPAA regardless.

    You're not officially my patient. That's the point. I'm here for information only. You're not officially a patient. You put my patients to sleep and he doesn't have a weird rash. If you've ever put sleep I just realized how weird that sounded.

    Yes, it's not a weird rash. It's completely common everyone likes to see it. It's not a big deal at all. So

    it's actually a very, very beautiful rash. So if you Whatever it is, it's it seems to be helping you don't

    wait, let's, let's talk about something real quick before we get into it because I do get a lot of questions about the products that we have on the site and they're all very, very good. Occasionally people want to know, why do you only feature just three products would you consider carrying and it fill in the blank doesn't matter. They want to know if we have certain other things that we'd like to carry and not that we never would. But currently right now KB MD health. What we want to do is offer products that we know our top of the line and categories that could be relatively new, because what we want to do is help enhance your life and give you the science on why shopping for these specific products with Katie and D health is going to help you so obviously we have KB and D CBD. We've gone ad nauseum over how CBD works, but what we love about KB MD CBD what we branded is that it is Seo a all organic sustainably sourced and extracted the way that we need it to be so that we don't harm you and we deliver the best product possible with KB CBD. Of course we have our Tron deal that Ken brown here is the one who invented it. It's the world's only polyphenols source powered by Colorado, Colorado. That's important because it is a very stable large tannin or poly phenol that works in the small bowel to do what it needs to do. And it's available on KB MD health. And as far as I'm concerned and what the studies prove it's the best in terms of a polyphenol blend used for not only gut health, but systemic health as well. The last thing that we just most recently added was broccoli or actually broccoli Pro. Now broccoli is all natural, superior things and you may read about that. Fear of things. But broccoli is actually the only company that US has been able to demonstrate that they have a stable form of Sofia things that they can deliver to you. There's lots of different Sofia things and actually if you really look close, different concentration levels you can see them on on various websites. There is a reason that broccoli uses what they use and they combine it with curcumin which means it's only available from a physician. And can brown medical doctor KB MD is the one who makes it available for you to purchase. So the reason why I bring this up not only that people ask questions, but today today heading into Father's Day 2020 we put together a brand new combo package now available on the website. It's the biohack package. And essentially, you can choose it either with natural flavored CBD or Senate flavored CBD and you can get all three of those in a minute. is a tremendous savings already but we actually reduced it. Believe $42 off of that. So you can either get the signature package, which is our 20 on CBD, or you can get the biohack package which is all three with Brock elite. And they're both significantly marked down and darker brown anything to add to that before we get into something

    yeah significantly marked down as a complete understatement. You and I were talking and we got to describe a we got to talking about our dads when we were working together retelling stories, and we're talking about what the memories of your dads and then how we share them with our kids. And then we said we should just do some sort of Father's Day special. And then we started talking about the discounts and I just kind of let I we're pretty much breaking even on this thing. He's like it's for our dads. He's like we got boys. We want to show everybody that that what we're going to talk about is backed by science and the things that we want to make sure Is that dad stick around, because we're going to get into all the science here. But the only thing I can add is, holy cow. We can't run this very long because this is truly a Father's Day special. You're a dad, I'm a dad, we love our kids. We miss our dads. That's the biggest thing. We miss our dads. If we could have intervened 20 years before my dad died 20 years ago died of complications of diabetes and a post kidney transplant. Had I known what I know now, I think I could have intervened on that. That's super important to me. Your dad died of cancer. Yep. Had we've known a few other things we could possibly have interviewed 20 years earlier. That's what we're trying to do right now. We're trying to make sure that we can be the healthiest that we can be. We looked at all the science so yes, it's going to be a very temporary discount and probably a once in a lifetime because ultimately it kind of hits our pocketbook so but we love it because we love dads and dads are super important.

    Hundred percent can couldn't say it any better. In essence, I would say that today's 2020 Father's Day biohack special is not just about lifespan, but it's about one of your favorite words healthspan. We are going to see what we can do to talk about how do you actually expand your health span today? And I think we've got some solutions. So well, Ken, wherever you're ready to start. Oh, yeah,

    I'm like you would totally expect. Let's start. I want to start talking about science study study published in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. And I want to talk about corvids. Do you want a Corvette is

    AI? Well, Chevrolet makes them now

    the Corvette? That's very close. All right, so corvids, our group of birds that include Jays, ravens and crows study just came out This is super cool. They're known to be one of the most intelligent genus of birds. So they're they're capable of using tools recognizing human faces and even understanding physics. Some researchers believe that crows may rival apes for intelligence and smarts. So this...


    COVID-19 Files: Ep. 6.0 May 28, 2020
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    Welcome, everyone. It is now time for COVID Episode 6.0. We have an incredible special guest this time, of course, I'm Eric Rieger with your host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. But today, we have Aubrey Levitt. She is the CEO of Postbiotics Plus. She's very much into research and an incredible entrepreneur certainly knows a lot of the people in the scientific community that have inspired Ken and I to dig deeper to look further. Without further ado, Ken would you like to say hello to Aubrey, and we'll get started.

    So you can imagine my excitement when I found somebody that was discussing postbiotics also. So Aubrey, thank you so much for coming in. Eric, do we have any...we need to shout out to our sponsors real quick?

    No, we don't have to do that. We just did that. You're all you're all here.

    So Aubrey Levitt. Oh my goodness. This is so cool. I felt like I was alone on an island discussing post biotics and then I have this little routine. I'm a very routine type person. I like to work out and go to the sauna. And I do a little mindfulness meditation. And then I just kind of scroll for the last little 10 minutes on podcasts and I just typed in postbiotics and I couldn't believe it. The CEO of postbiotics plus I'm like, not only does she know about it, she's an entrepreneur. She's smart. And she's got like, and then I went to your website, I'm like, she's got like six PhDs working for her like, holy cow, we have got to track this woman down. So I apologize that I stalked you. But thank you so much for coming on the show.

    No I was so happy about that. It's so nice to have somebody else on this island with me. Yeah, we put our stake in the ground like postbiotics and then echoes for a couple years, just looking back but no, it's very...

    So we're calling this COVID episode 6.0 because although we're gonna talk about the microbiome I want to let you in on something that you're doing. So congratulations to you and your desire to go through science first, hire these PhDs make something effective because you're going to change the world like I believe that we're helping to change the world. A article just came out this month, discussing the gut, the actual title is this gut microbiota and COVID-19 possible link and implications. And then another one just came out that said a comprehensive review on the effect of plant metabolites on Coronavirus. Plant metabolites means postbiotics and then somebody that we will get you in contact with is a PhD that we're working with her name is Silvia Molino, she did it to get her PhD. Her postdoctoral study is so cool. She actually looked at invitro digestion and fermentation of stable polyphenols. So she was able to do an in and of course, invitro means in a lab. So she was able to show the postbiotic effect once through digestion and then once the microbiome comes in contact with it. Absolutely brilliant and so cool. So COVID you're making a difference!

    Yeah. All across the board. No, yeah, I just want to say that one of the things that started this fascination for me was you just look at fermented foods, right, which are full of postbiotics and how much of a role they have played in every culture. And we may not have known why in the past, but when we're looking through the lens of the microbiome, we can see maybe a deeper into what's happening here. You know, I know people know probiotics and they know prebiotics of fiber. But when the probiotics eat the prebiotics, then this magic happens. And that's what's also happening in your gut, right if you have all those elements working.

    Yeah, totally.

    And I think why and what I've seen also why it directly relates to COVID is, you know, people are getting are at risk for secondary infections. And also people are getting antibiotics and whatnot. And that directly destroys the microbiome as we know, which leaves them vulnerable to being populated by whatever's there. And, and weakens them.

    If I'm knowing that kind of research and listening to the PhDs while y'all are constructing the studies, and or the clinical trials to find out what is actually going to work. What are some of the endpoint measures that you that some of your PhDs are examining? Is it because they're looking for what the bacteria will do with the things that you present like postbiotics, as you mentioned before, and how do you measure that, is it like short chain fatty acid stuff or what...

    We were looking specifically at one thing and just diversity overall, so we were looking at a point of injury. So the one because we wanted to kind of pare it down to. Okay, we know, we're researching the microbiome, and we're looking all these various things, but it's a complex ecosystem, right. And the one thing we do know is that when there is a lot of diversity that always correlates with health. And so we really pared it back to that of okay, but in our modern lifestyle, we have many, many things that affect that diversity and really, you know, strip it. So we looked at antibiotics first in our first study to say antibiotics is one of the harshest things that wipe out gut diversity and leave us susceptible in this window afterwards to either an opportunistic, you know, pathogen taking over or maybe just not recovering to the diversity that we had before. And so we did a study our initial study was to look at these antibiotics because think about it, also, people are coming in for maybe a sinusitis. So having their gut wiped out is a, you know, side effect that is not intended. It's a consequence that's not intended. So we gave them a fermented herbal product, which is full of postbiotics, because essentially, we put probiotic bacteria with the herbal components and it's breaking them down with we gave them that with some live probiotics as well. And we had a control group and we we took their stool samples to see if we are protecting their diversity. So right when they got the treatment, and then you know, all throughout the treatment and 10 days after, and we saw Yeah, so the endpoint was gut diversity is looking to see if the ecosystem was intact.

    I couldn't agree more and Brown we've talked about this in the past. And of course, we've seen this in the hospital. Oftentimes when people are given really powerful antibiotics and they come to the hospital. Unfortunately, the end result is often c diff, and it's exactly what it does. It goes through it wipes out all of the bacteria we and it tears down all c diff is all that's left in incredible diarrhea which persists forever so that you're certainly speaking

    I think that bringing up c diff is probably the most extreme version of lack of diversity because you wipe out everything but one particular bacteria that then populates so it's almost like having a neighborhood where only one family dominates and they decide what happens well c-diff kills people. It's very serious. I'm a huge as a, as a gastroenterologist, I reluctantly ever try to put anybody on antibiotics and I see So my research was in bacterial overgrowth SIBO, which is, which is a consequence of antibiotics all the time. My classic patient would be somebody that said, I got a sinusitis just like you said, five years ago, took this big round of antibiotics and I've never been right since. And that's that's the patient comes to me as a gastroenterologist.

    Yeah. And I was that patient because when I was a kid, I had antibiotics probably every week for years and then I had to go in and have two weeks straight of antibiotics, because I punctured a lung. And so they put you on IV antibiotics. And you know, ever since then it was just sort of this imbalance that couldn't get. I couldn't figure out how to right. And I didn't even know because that was sort of so early on. It was just this uphill battle that I wasn't aware of. So that was one of the things behind of like, you know, I could do everything perfect, but t...


    COVID-19 Files: Ep. 5.5 May 15, 2020
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    What's up everyone? Here we are, again, we're on episode 5.5, I had to bring back my favorite second favorite co host, Dr. Akerman, because what we're going to talk about today is really interesting. It's the thing that everybody has been discussing in the news. It's how do we test people? Everyone needs to be tested. And then people go, Oh, well, there's these bad tests out there. Oh, with a sensitivity specificity. Nobody's explaining any of it. So as it turns out, Dr. Akerman is really smart at this stuff. And we've been working with a company because we want to introduce rapid testing here in North Texas. And Dr. Akerman has actually helped this company a ton in the type of tests that they're doing, how to explain it. And we're talking sensitivity, specificity, negative predictive value, positive predictive value stuff that I struggle with a ton, well as it turns out, the other guy on the side of the screen here is super smart at it. So Dr. Akerman, can you comment on that real quick?

    Yeah. First of all, Make sure you don't burn any bridges with your first favorite co hosts.

    Yeah, right.

    And, and you're right. I mean, we've pretty much turn on the TV go on the internet, and we're talking about, you know, testing, what kind of testing, is it available, how much do we need? And then you kind of hear from the other side that there may be tons of tests, but too many, and they're not as good. And, you know, you sort of take that all at face value. But what does that mean that the test is no good, what makes it a good or a bad test? And I think that's where, you know, maybe we can do a better job of explaining it to people. And you're right, it's it's super confusing. So...

    We did Episode 4.5, where we talked about different the mcas and the antibody testing and things. So we kind of hinted at it. But now we're getting to this point where we're saying, Yeah, but what does all that mean? Nobody's talking about it. You You and I got in a discussion John Oliver. You watched a show on that.

    Yeah. So you know, I don't want to sort of rehash I don't think we're going to do it justice. John Oliver with his extensive medical degree, did an excellent job last week explaining some of the differences between the tests and some of the pitfalls. But I think where we can add a little value to the discussion is to discuss why. Why is it that the test you might go get at your local, you know, minuteclinic, or doctor's office or anything, why that might not offer you the value that you're really looking for.

    Yeah, and we can we talked before about the pros and cons of that. We don't know that. But what we're going to talk about today is why that's why getting a test may mean something different if you're in New York or if you're in Plano, Texas,

    right? And you want to know the characteristics of the test the characteristics of the disease process, where you are, and what you're trying to get out of the test. And that will determine whether or not it number one makes sense for you to get tested, and how you can get a better result.

    Yeah, so we've been seeing that the FDA is saying that you have to apply for this and then you have to achieve a certain. Let's start with the basics, a certain sensitivity and specificity, sensitivity, my friend.

    So actually, what I want to do is I'm gonna I'm gonna share my screen with a couple slides here. And, you know, I want to I want to go over some important definitions. There's tons of stuff and you don't need a degree in statistics to figure this out. But it can be confusing. So I think if we sort of write it down, and might it might hit home a little bit better. So

    I'm still impressed that you actually left New York I really because you seem like somebody who would be teaching at NYU or Mount Sinai or something like that. So, thank you for joining our group.

    I wanted to have more time for podcasts.

    There we go.

    So a couple six definitions that I want to I want to go over here. And the first you alluded to sensitivity and specificity. The best way I would explain sensitivity is what percentage of patients that actually have the disease will test positive. Right? So the true positives coming out of the, of the test. And the specificity is the opposite. It's the percentage of the patients that don't have the disease and will test negative. So the patients who appropriately test negative for this disease process. Those are intrinsic qualities of the test itself. So you can apply the specificity and the sensitivity to any different population because the test characteristics don't change. What does change and this is the difference is the positive and the negative predictive values. So the positive predictive value, are the percentage of those positive tests that are accurately positive, and the negative predictive value is the percentage of negative tests that are accurately negative to say it another way, when I get a test, if it tells me I'm positive, what are the chances that it's right? That's what I really care about. I want to know If I think I have strep, and I go get a strep test, and it's positive, should I be taking antibiotics? And will I get better? That's what we're really asking. And it is different than the sensitivity and specificity, which I will clarify in a second. The other two really important definitions are the incidence of disease and the prevalence of the disease because these are two different things. The easiest way to differentiate is the incidence are the proportion of people who actively currently have the disease. The prevalence is how many people were affected, not necessarily currently infected. So when you talk about it in terms of the test that we're talking about the PCR test looking for active viral replication, that's looking at the incidence of disease, who's got it now. But the antibody testing, looks at who's got it or who had it. And that's more a test for the prevalence of the disease.

    Well explained. Okay, yeah.

    All right. So the classic way we look at this is using this, it's called a two by two table or a two by two plot. And you basically up on the, in the in the top bar here, that's the disease or the process that you're looking at whether you have positive or negatives. And then along the margin here, you're talking about the test characteristics, a positive or a negative test. So when you want to calculate the sensitivity, you're looking at this row right here. So the people who have true positives over the total number of positives, so 80, excuse me, if you've got 100% of people ten, let's say people who have a positive test and only eight of them actually have the disease. That means eight out of ten or 80% sensitivity for that test. When you look on the, the the right column here, that's where you're gonna figure out your specificity. That's your negative side. It's the total number of true negatives, people who actually don't have the disease and tested negative over all the negative tests that's going to tell you your specificity.

    So I remember...

    Sorry?

    Go ahead. No, I was just gonna dumb it down to a level that this...I just remember that when I had somebody explained it to me that think of sensitivity and the specificity. If you were to look at these graphs, think of it like a car alarm, that if you make everything so sensitive, so that you could catch the person trying to steal your car. That means that a horn or a loud noise will set it off. If you make it super specific, that it only means that one method of a car being stolen. And so you have this issue of you have this trade off where you have the you want a car alarm that's super sensitive and will catch everything but you're going to get false positives all the time or do you want a specific test that only catches but every once in a while, they're gonna be able to steal your car a ...


    COVID-19 Files: Ep. 5 May 04, 2020
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    Hello gut check project fans, KBMD health community. This is Eric with your host, Dr. Ken Brown, installment number five COVID file. We're here to, well, you know what, I actually I'm not gonna say what we're here to do because what Brown said he said do you know what I've got in store? And I said no, not all the way he goes good, cuz I'm not gonna tell you so

    So this is COVID files number five 4.5 was me and Dr. Akerman and I love our little part time co host Dr. Akerman that is a smart dude. He challenges me to tear apart the literature and it is and we're gonna do more with him because it It allows us to critically eval the literature and he is very academic in his brain and he's an incredible doctor. But the point five is kind of wearing me out every once in a while I just need like a whole number. Really bad at math and, you know, so this episode, we've been so busy doing so many things and we'll get into that right now. But this episode, I realize I'm talking to all my staff. We're talking to patients. And there's an underlying theme here across the board. And it is I'm stressed, I'm worried, how does that affect my gut. And that's what I'm gonna talk about today. We're going to talk about ways to cope and be happy. This is gonna be a fun, you know, self help episode that based on science, always based on science, everything we do is based on science. So that's what I want this to be. I want this to be all about the tricks, tips to stay healthy, to stay healthy and get happy. Because if you're happy, then your other systems like your gut and your immune system are going to be better performing. So you didn't even know that we're going to do this episode, but that's what we're doing today.

    Yeah, well, you know what, I'm pretty excited about it, and I can tell you one thing just off the top. Once we started doing the COVID recap, we kind of stopped a little bit as we got a little bit more serious and we abandoned a little bit talking of patients I mean our families I'm sorry, family and catching up and stuff like that. I gotta say, I know it's a pandemic and and hearts out to everybody who's suffered but for us personally been home, I got a senior who's graduating, we got to put in a lot more family time. Sophomore kiddo in the house is hilarious, wife and I got a lot more walks and bike rides in. You know, I didn't work for weeks didn't make any money. But at the same time, I feel a little richer just by some of the extra family time.

    So Stu keeps sending videos. So he's gotten into the whole fact of taking some videos based on doing some stuff with us. And he's got his kids doing stuff. They're doing the Akermann News Network, he's keeping them busy. And I realized I'm like, wait a minute. Both you Eric and Stu, have found a way to remain happy, keep your family engaged. And I'm like, that's what this episode is gonna be about. Because you guys did it intrinsically, you naturally are able to find that and that's what I want to talk about. But more on kind of a science level. So it was very hard to sit there and do some of those episodes when the pandemic was starting. And we're like, hey, Eric, tell me about your family. And it's like and then the next line is 1 million people have coronavirus this many people have died this. We're getting away from that a little bit now, because we realized we were in a pandemic, we're in this thing, but now it's time to realize this may be a very slow exit from here and what you did and bracing your kids and what Stu has done, where he sat with his family, and they've, he's turned little movie stars out of his daughters and they're, he's absolutely screwed because they're gonna want to go to acting school now and all this other stuff. But that is the kind of stuff because when I sit with my employees that are stressed to the hilt single moms, they're like, I'm waking up with panic attacks. Dr. Brown, how can I do something and so I was, you know, we're starting to open up the economy here in Texas or open up, your governor Abbott's letting more people get around each other. Now I'm getting all these patients calling me going I'm terrified. I have this disease. My employer now wants me to go back. How do I have to go back but I'm having panic attacks. What do I do? Well, let's do a podcast on that. That's what I thought.

    This, to me, I think it'd be a great idea to do exactly that because inevitably we've got to move on. We can't sit around and you just don't want to get lost in watching the counts on television or keeping up with the next the next latest fad on what was one of the crazy things I heard someone saying using a hairdryer shoving that up your nose to blast away Coronavirus? I mean, we need to be practical.

    Can I stop you right there? Is that seriously a fad? Because I've been doing that.

    Well, I want to let you know that your nose hairs are...they're beautiful.

    I know at the very least I've not been clipping them so at least saves them back to a presentable level.

    Yeah, I think we're gonna have I think we're gonna have some new fads come out of this thing. I think that some of the 70s hairstyles are going to come back. I haven't had a haircut...

    Oh my gosh, I am absolutely loving the crazy hair. I mean, this is awesome. My kids. Well, we'll get into it. But basically you do these workouts you get sweaty and you realize how long your hair is. I'm just like, oh, this is awesome.

    Well, you know, I've seen more and more people who've been wearing the mask in public Of course over time. I'm kind of curious if there's are people who generally snack it while they while they walk or why they do things. But now that they're in public, they had this maybe they'll who knows maybe maybe maybe weight loss will be inevitable because people will have a social covering where...

    There's all kinds of things. So one of the things I want to try with this episode so that people are looking at this and go every time you do this get so bogged down with science, and it's an hour. I talked to Stu about that. He's like, man, I love doing this, but are we capturing the audience? I'm like, I don't know. Let's try and do a little quicker and see what happens. I don't know. I personally just like sharing information and being totally honest about this this is not about trying to develop it. I mean I want my audience to be happy and we're gaining a significant amount of traction but in this particular case, let's see if we can not get too off track because you and I I do you're always perfect but I always get off track so

    It's kind of hard but we'll we'll see...thank you though for...

    So I'm gonna throw this out to you tell me something a little personal now that we're not going to get too heavy what's going on with the fam?

    Fam is doing great. Gage is still bracing himself they he's headed up to Texas Tech for this fall will be his, his first year in college. The orientation was moved to virtual orientation they have to do that. The level apparently trending in Lubbock currently is as it is apparently flattening out and for right now coming back down. So he'll have an online virtual orientation. Mac is is wrapping up his sophomore year at school. And he just left the house to do a bike ride and for how far who knows? Or who cares. He in his in his brother have taken off and traded out their their terms to to get some bike riding in and that's what they've been doing. Marie's remained busy for her in her business, social media is people still keep up like that. So she actually saw a boom in business over time. And then...

    That's awesome.

    Yeah. And actually, I went to work today for the first time. I didn't think it was the first time in seven weeks it was nice.

    Did the patient flop around and scream the whole time and be like, I'm not out.

    Yeah, it was a little bit of a learning cur...


    COVID-19 Files: Ep. 4.5 Apr 16, 2020
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    Hey, what's up everybody? Here we are on our COVID files 4.5. That means a point five we have our recurring super smart guests, my friend and colleague, Dr. Stuart Ackerman. Dr. Ackerman, would you please introduce yourself?

    Sure, Ken. Thanks for having me again. It's my name's Stuart Ackerman. I'm a gastroenterologist with digestive health associates of Texas. And we're glad that I'm here again to discuss more COVID type stuff.

    So on Dr. Ackerman and I did a COVID 3.5 Episode three and a half episode where we looked into the role of COVID in the digestive tract. Today, we're going to look at some journals and discuss the role of COVID-19 testing specifically the role of antibodies, and you're going to be hearing a lot about this. And so a lot of the shows that we're doing, we're a little ahead of the media. So that's what I'm really happy about is that every time we do a show, and then later the media kind of catches up, so. The one thing I do want to address and if you're watching this on YouTube, Dr. Ackerman, you've changed your look a little bit. I mean, you had this very beautiful luscious beard, you know Wolverine like and it's a little different is that because you're getting all the notoriety from the show or what's going on?

    Yeah, some sacrifices have to be made. So, as part of my practice, you know, although there's some restrictions because of COVID on doing procedures and seeing patients in person, I still I still have a significant number of emergency and urgent procedures that needs to be done and part of the protocol as recommended by all of our societies is that you've got to wear PPE these protective equipment and some of that is an N95 mask and an N95 mask when it goes over your your mouth and your nose, it doesn't fit to securely if you've got luscious locks like I did. So sacrifices needed to be made.

    So Dr. Ackerman did this really cool video where he's basically explained the whole process of this, and how certain sacrifices have to be made. So I suggest everybody go to his website. What is your website?

    It's www.stuartakermanmd.com Stuart Akerman dot com

    You posted the video on your website, I hope.

    Yeah, it's posted on my blog on the website.

    That's awesome. I love the video. It's so cool. All right. So when you and I were discussing about doing this, and what I like is that you and I talk all the time. And we discuss journals and we do stuff and we kind of debate a little bit and we poke each other and you were you were discussing that, you know, hey, we should do a show on this. Do you want to do like a point counterpoint kind of thing where we should debate and I laughed because I immediately thought of airplane the movie from 1980 you're way too young for this but the airplane.

    I've done I've googled it.

    They were doing point CounterPoint. And you know, the whole point of the show is to be so obscenely on either end where the one guy so, a CRNA Jack Kerry that I'm not sure if you know him. Have you met jack? So jack would always laugh, he would use that quote whenever something would happen in the in our endoscopy center. If maybe the scopes weren't ready or a patient showed up late or something got off track, he would always say the same thing which I started thinking about about this. In the point counterpoint in airplane, the CounterPoint guy was like, they bought the ticket, they knew what they were getting into, I say, let him crash. This is not going to be quite like that. Because I think you and I will end up in the same spot ultimately when we're discussing this. So that's kind of where I thought where you and I were hoping to have a kind of a point CounterPoint. But I think we're gonna end up in the same spot. You kind of agree?

    Yeah, I agree. I think that it's, it's good to sort of flush out both sides of the argument so that you're more well rounded in your discussion. And I think that's kind of how we approach it, you know, that, we're we're looking at the same data. We're drawing our own conclusions, and sort of coming out on both sides of the argument. I think that's, that's good for any kind of evidence based discussion.

    Totally. And what we're going to talk about today is something that is super important, because it is how do we get the economy back on track? How do we use testing to do it? And we're going to take a look at the evidence based approach to this. And in fact, this is coming so fast that this morning I woke up, and I saw a couple different articles that that came out this morning. One of them was an article on a homeless shelter in Boston. And what they decided to do is do PCR testing on everyone in the homeless shelter, and what they found was that 36% of the people were positive at that moment, and we're gonna discuss what that moment means. So 33% were positive, but only 7.5% admitted to having a cough and only .7 even had a fever. The conclusion was in this article was holy cow, we need to do mass testing so that we can see who's really been infected. And then almost on cue, a New York Times article came out today, where it was a journalist that he opens with a with a classic Mark Moran. I'm a comedy fan Mark Moran line, where the the journalist says, "I know a guy. And because I know a guy and the connections I have, I was able to get my hands on a rapid antibody test. And I took the test, and I was negative. The problem is, I'm not sure it was a valid test." I'm like, this could not have been in a better time this guy did this. And that's what we're going to talk about today. You and I know guys.

    Yeah, we know people and this is the national and international discussion. Now if you've at all been watching the news, or reading papers or going on Reddit, you know that Italy, Spain, the United States to some degree, they're all discussing this idea of how do we figure out who has immunity? Is there a way for us to figure out who can safely come out of their homes, go back to work, and sort of jumpstart the economy again and jumpstart life? And it sounds dystopian. It sounds like it could be a great idea, it could be a terrible idea and anything in between. But what we don't have is we don't we don't necessarily know the details yet. And I think that's, that's what gets everyone confused, because there's no shortage of media outlets touting this as you know, the next great idea, but is it? I don't know.

    Well, we're gonna we're gonna get into that I there was an article written by I don't remember who wrote this, but it was just this just happened in the last couple days about ending the lockdown. And they interviewed a Harvard epidemiologist, and he said, well any of the lockdowns are going to be an effort with trial and error. There is no scientific evidence to this, he's like the best I can say this is we're all in a life raft. I'm not sure how we get to shore yet. What we're going to talk about is possibly how to get to shore. Because if you think about it, governments around the world, they need to triangulate the health of the people, the freedom of the population, and there's no scientific consensus. So what I wanted to do today with you, because you're a super smart guy, much smarter than me, let's kick some science. Let's go over some articles, and then play the pros and cons of each side of it. So I'll throw it back in your court. Where do you want to start with this?

    So I think, you know, we, we have a few articles that we definitely want to discuss as the basis for the arguments about immunity. I think before we jump into it, just to get a better sense for our viewers, we need to explain some of the terminology and the differences between the testing methods to understand what best to use to acutely diagnose someone with COVID-19 versus how do we tell that they're no longer infected, they're no longer sick and whether or not or at least to start that discussion...


    COVID-19 Files: Ep. 4 Apr 09, 2020
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    Hello everyone it is now time for gut check project COVID file number four. We have an incredible guest today with joining your host Dr. Ken Brown. We how now have Mr. Chris Austin from Waxahachie, Texas. He is here with sea long medical and you may have seen some of his incredible essentially their vent hoods they are hyperbaric vent hoods that allow people to breathe better. Chris, thank you so much for taking time out of I know is a very busy morning as you prepare for for more work at sea long medical down here in Waxahachie. How are you doing?

    Oh, we're doing well. We're, we're we're feeling good. Oh, no. And first of all, I need to apologize a little bit. It's starting already. My voice starts to go away. Early and earlier every day because of so much talking and stuff we do but anyway, we're doing well just not much sleep and a whole lot of talking but it's all it's all great. It's all wonderful. People are being so, so supportive, it's just I can't even get my head around it still.

    Well, no, it's it's awesome. We're obviously in the middle of the pandemic here with the with the COVID crisis but can you want to speak a little bit about what it is that you saw on the TV and why you called me and how I ended up reaching out to Chris.

    Absolutely. I may sound a little different because the internet went out of the studio so I'm doing this by phone so that's yeah, so you and I are feeling the same thing here. So I was watching and I kind of joke about this that I've actually become my dad and I like 60 minutes now so a lot 60 minutes.

    My granddad so don't...I'm with you there.

    And they did this incredible segment. First of all, they they lead up to it with this with the the stress that the New York doctors are under followed by nurse segment, which was just incredible, and I don't want give anything away but I just sat down with holy cow, he's a neighbor. We're here in Dallas, you're in Waxahachie, Texas, and fortunately, like a like a good Texan you woke up early and agreed to do this interview just because you're a nice guy, so it's pretty exciting.

    Well that's I appreciate all that but I we're up, we've been up working here for over an hour already. We've been starting at six because of the crisis and staying here til two in the morning the other day, I was there till four in the morning day before yesterday. Just the way it flows go. So, but thank you very much.

    So Chris, before we started the interview, you let me know that sea long medical has been around basically doing these hyperbaric helmets since 1985. But you ended up acquiring the company and moving it from Kentucky down to Waxahachie, Texas back in 2016. What drew Chris Austin to sea long medical and then to bring it down here to Waxahachie?

    That's good question the, the whole thing started because we have a mutual friend who lived up by Lake Possum Kingdom. And he manufactures hyperbaric hoods does a company called tekna industries and through mutual friends and something like that we became friends. And I have diabetes. So I have neuropathy pretty bad. And was having a lot of problems with my legs. Can you say, Chris, come up here. Let's do some dives. Let's fix that and I didn't really know anything about it at the time. So I said I wanted to come see him anyway it's a beautiful area up there. I went up and staying awhile and took took some treatments, a week's worth of treatments and it's It was incredibly incredibly life changing what happened. I could drastically reduce my insulin. The...neuropathy I'm sorry, it's just went away for not not forever it was gone for about a month. So it was definitely a you know, a changing event for me. I mean it was a whole bunch of other things happened that some people say doesn't happen but my eyesight got better my hearing my sense of smell. You know, it's like a Popeye when I ate this big can of spinach kind of and I said, you know what last getting off track here kinda I used the sea long hood. That's what I use for my treatments. And because that's what he uses. He wasn't he was pretty good friends but pretty good friends with the previous owner and after a while I've gone back and done several more and same results. And he called me. Philip called me and said, Chris, I need to talk to you. So okay, great. No problem. Got up there and did another treatment. And he said, you know, that product you're using, that's hood. Yeah, that's pretty cool. He goes, it's probably going to go out of business. The owners have been around a long time, and they're ready to, you know, retire and move on. And nobody has taken up on his offer to buy the company. And he stated that the company is so important and the product is so important. I really think you ought to buy it because I had just retired after 30 years as an aerospace engineer.

    Nice.

    Oh, wow.

    That's what we did.

    Wow, that is incredible. So I'm actually far more endeared to the story. You are drawn to it because of your own personal experience and benefit. You knew you needed to save the technology so that other people could have that benefit. That drew you into it. You were in retirement, you said that this is something that we can do. You had no idea that there's gonna be a pandemic, though around the corner in 2020, did you?

    Not really? But I'll tell you a huge cascade of events in my life for probably three or four years before that, Up to that time, and significantly after that time, made this all possible. No, it mandated it that this was going to happen. You know, we knew about the the aspects of the potential for a great life saving product for non invasive ventilation. And it just spoke, spoke to my heart and my mind right there said, this is what we're doing. This is our destiny. And that's why we're here.

    That's incredible. Wow.

    So You, you said that there was a gentleman who was at sea long. Was sea long medical created simply for the...the manufacturing of the hyperbaric helmet?

    Correct. No, no sea long...he, see here. That's a big, big story. But Hill-he previously owned a very large injection molding corporation.

    Okay.

    And a man by the name of shorty long, who was acquaintance of his, who was a professional deep sea diver said, I need something like this and it doesn't exist. They drew up a sketch on a napkin kind of thing. And the helmet was born. And shorty long said I don't I'm a diver. I've got a big diving business and stuff here. I don't want it...you run with it. You've already got all the equipment and all this. So I did.

    Well, you kind of hinted at it already because of your own revelations on how you began to feel better. I had a question written down which was to ask you before the COVID situation if if beyond the helmet being an intermediary step before or hopefully saving somebody from intubation, if there were specific diseases that it worked for but you already mentioned, retinopathy and diabetes, do you know if anybody like with sickle cell anemia what...are those are those types of patients that also benefit from this type of hyperbaric helmet?

    Well, as you guys know, in the medical field, there's there's a lot of things we have to tread lightly on as far as what we say.

    Oh, ok.

    No, I'm gonna say it. I'm just giving you that caveat up front. Because the vast vast majority of the indications that we have...I can't even count how many...people have told us this. Plus as we are so became so close to the industry and the and the the process I've personally seen been there and talked to amazing things. children with autism, PTSD course an incredible array of soft tissue damage. Incredible, incredible positive results for traumatic brain injury. And one of them in particular if you look up Joe Namath, you know, the famous New York Jets, quarterback, and few more, but he's g...


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