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    FRIED. The Burnout Podcast

    Your best people aren't lazy. They're burned out. And there's a difference — one that costs you performance, retention, and culture if you can't spot it.

    FRIED: The Burnout Podcast is a top 1% global show with over a million downloads, hosted by keynote speaker and burnout expert Cait Donovan. It's the show for leaders, executives, HR professionals, and high-responsibility humans who want to understand burnout at a systems level — not just survive it personally.

    The core question FRIED keeps asking: Where is the work no longer matching the humans doing it?

    Burnout isn't a motivation problem. It's a mismatch problem. When the fit between people, roles, expectations, and organizational systems breaks down — disengagement builds, resentment festers, and your best people start quietly planning their exit. FRIED helps you see those mismatches before they become crises.

    Each week you'll get expert conversations on workplace burnout, leadership, organizational culture, employee retention, and sustainable high performance — plus solo episodes where Cait breaks down the hidden dynamics driving disengagement in even the highest-performing teams.

    No blame. No fluff. No breathing exercises you didn't ask for.

    Topics covered: burnout prevention, chronic stress, leadership development, workplace culture, employee disengagement, resentment at work, emotional intelligence, nervous system regulation, boundaries, organizational design, psychological safety, and middle management burnout.

    FRIED. Because burnout isn't the price of ambition. It's a signal that something needs to change.

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    Copyright: © All works owned and produced by Cait Donovan LLC, 2022

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    Rebecca Kase: EMDR for Healing Trauma, Self-Care Cakes, and Hope for the Future Aug 07, 2022
    Show notes

    Rebecca Kase is a licensed clinical social worker and expert in EMDR. She experienced her worst burnout when working with a nonprofit organization in community mental health. A combination of toxic authoritarian leadership, unsafe work environment, and clinically challenging patients was the perfect recipe for burnout. Rebecca started to fall into maladaptive coping behaviors and received signals from her body that it was time to change paths. She realized she could not fix the problems with the mental health system that she was part of and instead needed to find ways to help others that would also allow her to also better serve herself. Through a greater understanding of how the nervous system works and how to use EMDR as a biohack for healing from trauma, Rebecca has found a way to help others that still aligns with her own values. Tune into this episode to learn more.


    “I think of EMDR as kind of like Drano for the brain-o. Like an antacid for your nervous system,” shares Rebecca Kase when explaining how EMDR helps to clear away old, harmful memories, patterns, and feelings from where they have become stuck in the nervous system. EMDR or eye movement desensitization reprocessing is an evidence-based treatment approach that is the standard treatment for PTSD, but also helps with anxiety, chronic pain, depression, and a myriad of other conditions. EMDR uses bilateral stimulation through visual or auditory cues to cause a patient’s eyes to move back and forth in a way that is similar to how our eyes move during REM sleep. This helps patients to reprocess traumatic memories in a healthier way so that they can finally move forward and their nervous systems can get unstuck.


    Tune into today’s episode of FRIED. The Burnout Podcast for a conversation with Rebecca Kase about using EMDR to heal from trauma. Learn more about the three different states of the nervous system, how neuroception works to keep us safe, and how sometimes the best self care is a box cake.


    Quotes


    · “One of my self care items is I make myself just a cheap box cake and I just go to town on it for about a day. So my husband always knows when he sees the self care cake. He's like, ‘Oh, that's where we are. We're calling out the big guns’.” (4:21-4:38 | Rebecca)

    · “My number one tip is reframe your burnout as a sign that your nervous system is working as it's supposed to and it’s not always something to fix, or mend, or self care gratitude journal away.” (6:27-6:39 | Rebecca)

    · “It's not meant to be like toxic positivity or spiritual bypassing, because it's not saying, ‘shits not on fire’, yes, shits on fire, and the birds are singing while it's burning down. It’s about being able to find the balance, the dialectic of life, that I think is really important and helpful when our neuroception is like, ‘danger, danger, danger’.” (13:38-13:58 | Rebecca)

    · “All of our strategies that we go to when we are out of that window of tolerance are all attempts to cope, whether they’re adaptive or not, everything you do throughout the day is an attempt to regulate yourself.” (20:46-20:57 | Rebecca)

    · “There's a shortage in the mental health community and in the medical profession. I see that as leverage. That is leverage. So therefore, you do not have to settle for some shitty deal that is not good for your wellness, your sanity, your body, your mind, heart, brain or your family.” (27:13-27:31 | Rebecca)


    Links

    Connect with Rebecca Kase:

    https://rebeccakase.com

    https://instagram.com/rebeccakase.co

    https://emdria.org

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists?search=emdr



    XOXO,

    C


    If you know that it’s time to actually DO something about the burnout cycle you’ve been in for too long - book your free consult today: bit.ly/callcait


    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/quiz


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    #straightfromsarah: What “Healing Isn't Linear” Means for Your Burnout Recovery Jul 31, 2022
    Show notes

    Are you having a hard time recognizing whether you’re recovering from burnout due to the ebbs and flows of the healing process? Healing is not linear and at times you may feel worse before you feel better. In this week’s #straightfromsarah episode, FRIED Burnout Coach Sarah Vosen talks about how to recognize the signs that you are in fact recovering and explains that healing is not linear, because nothing in life is linear.


    When Sarah began to heal from her burnout and her adrenaline stopped pumping 24/7, she was left feeling utterly depleted and exhausted. In order to recover from burnout, she had to first allow her body time to rest and rebuild the trust that it was truly safe to do so. When we begin to recover, our bodies go through a lot of internal, subtle changes. We may feel better one day and worse the next due to the processes occurring within us as our bodies relearn how to properly shift between sympathetic and parasympathetic modes. Healing can be a very messy process and requires a lot of patience, but is well worth the wait. When we start truly healing from burnout, our body sends many signals that we can watch out for such as the ability to fall asleep easier and stay asleep, the ability to properly digest food, the ability to say no without feeling guilty, and the return of the sparkle to our eyes that makes us appear more vibrant and alive.


    Tune into this week’s #straightfromsarah episode to hear more about why healing truly is not linear. Learn how to recognize the signs that you are in fact healing from burnout, even when it doesn’t always feel like you are improving.


    Quotes

    · “It takes time for our body to trust that it actually has time and space to heal.” (2:48-2:51 | Sarah)

    · “Once the adrenaline stopped flowing all day, every day, I was emotionally, physically, and mentally really low for a few months until the cumulative effect of all that I was doing started to show up. And I had some moments that let me know that I was indeed on an overall upward path towards health, but it was definitely not linear.” (3:57-4:15 | Sarah)

    · “If your sensory information tells your brain that you aren't safe, it will put you in sympathetic stress mode, which shifts the way your body works so that you can fight, run, or freeze to save your life.” (5:33-5:43 | Sarah)

    · “Even if you want to pull your hair out along the way, just keep on keeping on through the peaks and valleys.” (18:00-18:06 | Sarah)

    · “Healing isn't linear, because living life isn't linear.” (18:17-18:20 | Sarah)

    “We are not straight lines. Our bodies cannot be drawn with straight lines. Nature cannot be drawn with straight lines, and neither can our paths in life, so our healing journey cannot be a straight line either.” (19:55-20:08 | Sarah)

    · “Healing is a messy process at times, so many tears and so much snot. But when we have been warned that it may happen, we can rest easier when it is happening and trust in the process.” (21:43-21:57 | Sarah)

    · “When you are coming back from burnout, you have to feel different. Your body will present differently. Your body will change as you heal, because it has to in order to get better.” (23:58-24:08 | Sarah)


    Links

    https://www.friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/post/straightfromsarah-honoring-cycles-to-boost-burnout-recovery

    https://caitdonovan.as.me/sarah

    https://facebook.com/groups/friedtheburnoutpodcast



    XOXO,

    C


    If you know that it’s time to actually DO something about the burnout cycle you’ve been in for too long - book your free consult today: bit.ly/callcait


    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/quiz


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    Danielle Cobo: Transforming Self Doubt and Using Resilience as a Resource Jul 24, 2022
    Show notes

    Danielle Cobo is a fascinating and inspiring force of a woman. She works as a career leadership and sales performance coach, hosts The Dream Job with Danielle Cobo podcast, and is a devoted military wife and mother. Her challenging life experiences helped her to become resilient and lead her down the path to entrepreneurship after a career in sales. Kidnapped by her mother at the age of 2, forced to grow up faster due to being left to fend for herself often from an early age, and kicked out of the house at 17 with nothing but four trash bags worth of clothing to her name, Danielle knows first hand the importance and power of resilience. Through inspiring amounts of self awareness and perseverance, Danielle has learned to transform her self doubt into confidence and courage. Tune into this episode to learn more.


    “Either you can fall victim to your circumstances or you can choose the direction that you want to go,” shares Danielle Cobo on how she thrived in spite of the many obstacles she faced. She realized from an early age that she needed to be resilient and listen to her own intuition rather than being held back by the limiting beliefs of those around her. Through her self-awareness, Danielle is able to notice signs of potential burnout early enough to reverse their course such as noticing when her weight changes or her stomach is in knots. She recommends reaching out to family and friends when you are experiencing self-doubt and asking for them to describe you, because often the way we speak to ourselves is very different from how others would.


    Tune into today’s episode of FRIED. The Burnout Podcast for a conversation with Danielle Cobo about her inspiring story, why resilience is so important for entrepreneurs, and how to recognize the body’s signals about burnout. Learn how to increase your self-awareness and trust your intuition in order to transform self-doubt into confidence.


    Quotes

    • “It's through some of these challenges in my life that I've learned to turn some of my biggest challenges in life into my greatest strength and I don't regret my past. I'm very grateful for it because I've learned to overcome self doubt and transform it into confidence and courage” (4:32-4:51 | Danielle)
    • “Either you can fall victim to your circumstances or you can choose the direction that you want to go.” (9:30-9:38 | Danielle)
    • “It's really listening to your body. Your body is a powerful resource to tell you what's going on.” (12:29-12:45 | Danielle)
    • “Resiliency is essential to being successful as an entrepreneur, because you're on your own.” (16:49-16:55 | Danielle)
    • “The more that you get back to your why and you understand the impact that you can make on others, that's going to help you prioritize where you're spending your time and who you're spending your time with.” (29:40-29:49 | Danielle)
    • “We want to live our life. That mentality of work, work, work, I'll sleep when I'm dead. No, that's not the point, I want to work and I want to make an impact. And I want to be able to live my life and be there and be present for my kids and my friends and not feel guilty about it at all.” (35:06-35:28 | Danielle)
    • “Don't quit on yourself before you even start. If it gets to a point where it's too much, then re-evaluate, but just put one foot forward, take it a day at a time.” (44:00-44:11 | Danielle)


    Links


    https://www.daniellecobo.com/

    https://www.instagram.com/thedaniellecobo/?hl=en

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniellecobo/

    https://www.daniellecobo.com/company-culture



    XOXO,

    C


    If you know that it’s time to actually DO something about the burnout cycle you’ve been in for too long - book your free consult today: bit.ly/callcait


    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/quiz


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    #straightfromcait: How Do I Know if I’m Recovering From Burnout or Stuck on the Burnout Cycle Jul 17, 2022
    Show notes

    During your burnout recovery, it may feel difficult to tell whether you are truly on the right path to recovery or still trapped in the burnout cycle. You will have ups and downs that may cause you to feel that your recovery is slipping back toward burnout again. In today’s #straightfromcait episode, Cait explains five signs to watch for that will let you know that you are on the right path.


    Burnout recovery can feel a bit like a seesaw with all its ups and downs, but that is perfectly natural and nothing to be concerned about. The goal of recovery is to start having more moments of feeling like yourself interspersed with fewer moments of feeling burnt out. You will start to feel more like your old pre-burnout self more frequently, begin enjoying old hobbies that you were unable to enjoy while burnt out, and experience less issues with brain fog and memory lapses. You’ll still feel tired, but instead of feeling depleted and empty, you should begin to feel satisfied and good about your day. When you start to realize that you’re laughing more and getting more enjoyment out of your daily life, that’s when you know you are on the right path to burnout recovery.


    Tune into this week’s #straightfromcait episode for a conversation about how to tell the difference between burnout recovery and being stuck in the same toxic cycle of burnout. Learn what signs to look out for to know whether you are on the right track with your recovery.


    Quotes

    · “Recovery feels a whole lot like just simply feeling more normal again, interspersed with moments that feel like you're still totally burnt out. What we're looking for is longer and more frequent feelings of normal, of your norm, your old norm, your pre burnout norm and shorter, less frequent moments of feeling burnt out.” (01:27-01:52 | Cait)

    · “Having a down day does not necessarily mean burnout.” (3:56-3:59 | Cait)

    · “If you find yourself finding moments of amusement and joy during your days, then you know you're on the right track.” (6:15-6:22 | Cait)

    · “The sign that you're recovering is that you're still tired at the end of the day, but it feels like a good, satisfied tired, not a depleted, empty, crappy, tired.” (7:06-7:20 | Cait)


    Links

    https://facebook.com/groups/friedtheburnoutpodcast

    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/resources

    https://caitdonovan.as.me/sarah

    https://caitdonovan.as.me/freecall



    XOXO,

    C


    If you know that it’s time to actually DO something about the burnout cycle you’ve been in for too long - book your free consult today: bit.ly/callcait


    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/quiz


    Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    Merel Kriegsman: Success on Your Own Terms, Suicidal Ideations, Erotica, and All Jul 10, 2022
    Show notes

    Merel Kriegsman is the CEO and founder of her own company which helps women achieve their full wealth potential by marketing their most valuable gifts. She has helped countless women become successful entrepreneurs by assisting them with selling premium offers and programs. Merel began her career as an opera singer and then started her own business as a conversion copywriter which quickly grew into a business mentorship program. As she fought to maintain her expanding career, raise her children, be the main earner for her family, and confront blindspots in her worldview, Merel began to succumb to burnout. She shares how she got herself through burnout, adopted an abundance mindset, and learned how to listen for signs from her nervous system. Tune into this episode to learn more.


    “It became sort of like this perfect storm of postpartum, mental health fragility, plus sort of questioning everything about myself and my business and it just created this perfect storm where I stopped sleeping,” shares Merel Kriegsman when asked about her burnout experience. Merel realized that when her mental health slipped, her boundaries did as well, because she no longer had the energy to maintain them. She found her way out by learning to listen to signals in her body that were trying to tell her when someone or some situation was making her uncomfortable. At first it can be difficult to walk away from clients who are violating boundaries, because of the fear that there won’t be new clients to replace them. To counter this, Merel chose to take on an abundance mindset, realizing that as an entrepreneur she would get to actually create those opportunities for herself. She found moments of healing in taking some time to herself to rest, read erotica, and reset her boundaries.


    Tune into today’s episode of FRIED. The Burnout Podcast for a conversation with Merel Kriegsman about boundaries, mental health, erotic fiction, and recognizing our most valuable work for what it is. Learn how to adopt an abundance mindset, to discover your zone of genius, and to give yourself permission to be a little bit less of a perfectionist.


    Quotes

    · “It became sort of like this perfect storm of postpartum, mental health fragility, plus sort of questioning everything about myself and my business and it just created this perfect storm where I stopped sleeping.” (6:47-7:06 | Merel)

    · “I honestly feel I go through the seven year cycles where I just need to go into my shell and mass consume what probably would be described by most people as fresh and smut, and then I come out. And I mean, in the last seven year cycle, I put three children on this earth and I built a multimillion dollar business from scratch, and changed literally 1000s of lives and moved to a different continent. (20:34-21:11 Merel)

    · “Last time I went through this, I also thought about what was wrong with me and if I were to ever come out of this, and I did. And then it's almost like I have so much fuel to just go.” (22:51-23:03 | Merel)

    · “Whenever I don't know something, I just study the shit out of it.” (25:48-25:51 Merel)

    · “We tend to undervalue what is actually our most valuable work. And those tend to be huge blind spots for us. So we often build offers around the things that are maybe in our zone of excellence, but not in our zone of genius, because we're not even seeing what's in that zone of genius, because we take it for granted.” (36:03-36:27 | Merel)


    Links


    Connect with Merel Kriegsman:

    www.merelkriegsman.com

    https://www.instagram.com/merelkriegsman/

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/merelkriegsman/

    https://merelkriegsman.com/how-to-raise-your-rates



    XOXO,

    C


    If you know that it’s time to actually DO something about the burnout cycle you’ve been in for too long - book your free consult today: bit.ly/callcait


    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/quiz


    Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    #straightfromsarah: Honoring Cycles to Boost Burnout Recovery Jul 03, 2022
    Show notes

    Have you been trying to live a linear lifestyle in a cyclical world? The truth is, Western society tends to look at life through a linear lens with a big focus on getting from point A to point B. In reality, life is cyclical and when we live out of sync with those cycles, we can be more susceptible to burnout. In this week’s #straightfromsarah episode, FRIED Burnout Coach Sarah Vosen talks about how we can honor the natural cycles in our world by acknowledging them and aligning our lifestyles to better match up.


    We know that our world runs on cycles, so why do we act like life is linear? Our planet cycles, our seasons cycle, our moon cycles, and even our hormones cycle. The hustle culture of constantly grinding through life is in direct opposition to living within nature’s cycles. If we are always forced to rise before the sun, stay up too late, and eat heavy foods because it is all that we have access to in the fifteen minutes we are allowed for lunch, it will be very hard to honor the natural cycles of the day and the seasons. When we are aligned with the cycles going on around us and within our bodies, we can be better in tune with our needs and better equipped to combat burnout.


    Tune into this week’s #straightfromsarah episode to learn more about cycles and how to live your life in a way that honors nature and wards off burnout.


    Quotes

    · “When we think about life being point A to point Z we miss out on the wisdom we gain when we have awareness of what we learned through repetition.” (1:24-1:32 | Sarah)

    · “Our circadian rhythm guides many processes in our body and is therefore a key player in determining our overall health. This is why you hear lots about the importance of morning routines and sleep hygiene. It's because it optimizes circadian rhythm.” (3:10-3:24 | Sarah)

    · “When we understand this correlation of seasons to phases, and the similarities we experienced hormonally during each, we can use our knowledge of the season to guide us throughout our cycle. This takes that complicated chart with the lines going in all directions that we were shown in puberty that was supposed to describe what was happening for us inside and makes menstruation a much more user friendly experience.” (8:05-8:28 | Sarah)

    · “When we embrace where we are in our cycles and utilize what our hormones are doing inside of us, we can surrender into ease with the process. This is much more desirable than fighting with ourselves and being frustrated with the pressure to be something we are currently not.” (8:43-8:58 | Sarah)

    · “Burnout culture demands we be consistent, reliable, productive, happy, successful, thin and toned, faster and better forever and ever.” (15:15-15:23 | Sarah)

    · “We are not linear. We cycle, life cycles, our day cycles, our moon cycles, our seasons cycle year after year. And it's not just women that cycle. It's now known that men also have hormonal cycles…We do not experience the same inner or outer environment moment after moment. So how can we expect to act, feel, or have the same needs in each moment?” (16:14-16:49 | Sarah)


    Links


    Fried Masterclass July 2022: https://www.caitdonovan.com/offers/wBzaoPr7

    COUPON CODE: CYCLES


    XOXO,

    C


    If you know that it’s time to actually DO something about the burnout cycle you’ve been in for too long - book your free consult today: bit.ly/callcait


    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/quiz


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    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    Vanessa Zamy - Toxic Work Environments, Building a Side Hustle, and Being the Core of Your Life Jun 26, 2022
    Show notes

    Vanessa Zamy, The Business Defibrillator, is a keynote speaker, business expert, and bestselling author with her own consulting company. Her burnout occurred when she was working in a corporate job for a toxic, narcissistic boss while also trying to support and grow her new business on the side. She tried for months to make things work with her boss all while the universe kept sending her signs that it was time to leave that environment. Vanessa shares her experience with toxic work environments, how she built her side hustle into her dream career, and her tips for being the core of your own life. Tune into this episode to learn more.


    “That is what kept me going was knowing that, okay, this environment is not the one. But there is hope in this other thing,” explains Vanessa Zamy. After ignoring signs from the universe repeatedly, Vanessa was dealing with severe pain, inflammation, and discoloration in her fingers that no doctor could explain. When her office closed due to the pandemic, her fingers returned to normal and she realized that it had been a physical manifestation of her burnout from working in a toxic environment. Then, Vanessa discovered the path of entrepreneurship and began running her own business on the side. Even though Vanessa was dealing with stress at her job due to a toxic boss, she was able to get through the day because her side hustle was providing her with so much hope for the future. As soon as she learned to treat her 9 to 5 as her side job and her side job as her career, things started to turn around.


    Tune into today’s episode of FRIED. The Burnout Podcast for a conversation with Vanessa Zamy about handling toxic work environments, starting a side hustle, and centering yourself in your own life. Learn how to listen for signs from the universe and how to put yourself first so that your business can thrive.


    Quotes

    ∙ “You have these signs, right? The signs that your body is approaching burnout. So then the universe sends you a bigger sign and it’s like wake up and you are like ehh and then they have a bigger sign until eventually, some people, they just end up in the hospital. And that's their wake up call.” (10:02-10:20 | Vanessa)

    ∙ “Before I even went to the HR office, I had tried for nine months to do different things.” (19:10-19:15 | Vanessa)

    ∙ “I was pretty much the only person on the team who was sharing my grievances with other people. People on the team kind of was doing what you just said where they had the issue, but they were like, I'm just gonna complain about it and just live with it and deal with it and not really trying to fix it’.” (23:36-23:49 | Vanessa)

    ∙ “There’s always that beginning stage where you still have that employee mindset, you still have that I work for someone else mindset. But at some point, your business becomes your main priority. And your day job is now treated like your side business.” (25:53-26:06 | Vanessa)

    ∙ “If it doesn't work, it just doesn't work.” (28:36-28:37 | Vanessa)

    ∙ “That is what kept me going was knowing that, okay, this environment is not the one. But there is hope in this other thing.” (35:55-36:03 | Vanessa)

    ∙ “You are the core of your business. And so as the core of your business and the core of your life, as entrepreneurs and business owners, it is important that you take care of you because otherwise, if you don't show up, no one else is going to show up either.” (43:59-44:08 | Vanessa)


    Links


    https://yourvisionscatalyst.com/

    http://power.vzamy.com/

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/zamyvanessa/

    https://www.instagram.com/zamyvanessa/?hl=en

    https://yourbusinessrevival.com/checklist

    https://yourbusinessrevival.com/



    XOXO,

    C


    If you know that it’s time to actually DO something about the burnout cycle you’ve been in for too long - book your free consult today: bit.ly/callcait


    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/quiz


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    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    #straightfromcait: How To Tell People About Your Burnout Jun 19, 2022
    Show notes

    There comes a time when you may need to tell the people in your life about your burnout. Certain people like your HR department or your spouse will need to know in explicit detail in order to support your recovery to the best of their abilities. Others like co-workers or clients may not need to know as many details, but still need to know how it will impact them. In today’s #straightfromcait episode, Cait explains how to approach these conversations differently depending on whether you are speaking at work, at home, or with friends.


    The first step you need to take before initiating any conversations about your burnout is to make some decisions and collect data points. When speaking with clients, you should first figure out your answers to certain key questions they are sure to have such as whether you will be shifting a deadline, if you are stopping a project, and if you’re planning to refer them out. If you work for a company, you will need to talk to your HR department and should have a script in mind that clearly explains the symptoms burnout is causing you and what you need from your employer in terms of recovery. When speaking with your partner or spouse, it is important to be as honest as possible to help them understand how burnout is impacting you and how things might need to change at home. Making a plan and collecting data will help you to have clear, factual conversations with the people in your life about your burnout and their reactions to your requests will provide you with additional data about your environment.


    Tune into this week’s #straightfromcait episode for a conversation about how to tell other people about your burnout. Learn what to say in specific situations at work, at home, and with friends so that you can get the support you need for recovery.


    Quotes

    • “Before you have any conversations, you need to collect your data points and you need to make some decisions. This has to happen first.” (2:33-2:43 | Cait)

    • “If you know you're burnt out and you definitely need some time away, you might go to your HR professional and say, ‘Listen, I feel like I'm experiencing burnout. These are some of my symptoms. I'm unable to be as productive as I used to be at work, I'm completely disengaged. What I think I might need is XYZ. But I am not sure what the company offers as far as burnout recovery support. So I am here to find out what the possibilities are, and how we can set this up so that the company stays solid and gets everything it needs and I still get the time that I need to recover’.” (7:11-7:46 | Cait)

    • “Giving people the opportunity to also use their voice because you've used yours, I think is really important.” (11:03-11:10 | Cait)

    • “If you don't know what you need, it might be time to get a coach.” (13:54-13:58 | Cait)

    • “Your burnout is going to be difficult for your partner. It’s going to be difficult for them to understand, it's going to be difficult for them to deal with. And they are likely to get irritated now and again that they are pulling extra weight. And I need you as much as you're granting grace for yourself in the recovery process, I need you to also grant grace to your partner and your family members who will need to adjust things for you.” (15:14-15:40 | Cait)

    • “Just because you prep doesn't mean it will go well. But prepping will help you to feel solid and more neutral within the conversations. Because you're speaking about facts, and not necessarily about emotions.” (26:09-26:22 | Cait)


    Links

    https://facebook.com/groups/friedtheburnoutpodcast

    https://caitdonovan.com/resentment-journal

    https://caitdonovan.as.me/sarah

    https://caitdonovan.as.me/free


    XOXO,

    C


    If you know that it’s time to actually DO something about the burnout cycle you’ve been in for too long - book your free consult today: bit.ly/callcait


    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/quiz


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    Dr. Kristen Donnelly: The Truth Behind Empathy As A Tool For Healing From Burnout Jun 12, 2022
    Show notes

    Dr. Kristen Donnelly, one of The Good Doctors of Abbey Research, is an international empathy educator. She has two decades of experience and an educational background in social work. Dr. Donnelly uses her PhD in social sciences to help people all over the world learn about empathy through her Ted Talks and hybrid, in-person, and virtual coaching. She shares her tips for how to use empathy to counter burnout after it helped her get through her own burnout in 2020. Tune into this episode to learn more.


    “What we have come to define empathy as is intentional understanding of yourself and others,” explains Dr. Kristen Donnelly. Dr. Donnelly reports experiencing several burnouts throughout her life, but says that her worst was in 2020 when the lockdowns started happening. Empathy played a large role in getting her through burnout, because it allowed her to change her perspective. By de-centering herself from the experience, Dr. Donnelly realized that everyone was human and was doing their best. She shares that empathy requires intentionality and curiosity. She was able to understand that while she could not control what was happening in the world, she could control her own reactions and use her privilege to help make things better for others.


    Tune into today’s episode of FRIED. The Burnout Podcast for a conversation with Dr. Kristen Donnelly about what empathy actually means and how to work at it until it becomes a natural reflex. Learn how to shift your perspective and appreciate the things that are within your control and how empathy for yourself and others can help you to heal from burnout.


    Quotes

    • “All of us want to be heard and understood. So how can I heal from this exhaustion of not being understood? I can seek to understand others.” (11:00-11:11 | Kristen)

    • “What can I control? What can I handle because there's people on this planet right now, who can control almost nothing in their lives? So in honoring them right now, I have control and power. How can I leverage my control and power over my own life in respect to the fact that they have none? So part of de-centering yourself is understanding your place in global humanity, which I think then lets you really understand that on most days, you're doing okay.” (14:04-14:32 | Kristen)

    • “For me, the best way to feel heard and understood was to seek to hear and understand others. (12:10-12:19 | Kristen)

    • “What I know deeply is that If we decenter ourselves from our life experience, perspective becomes easier to obtain.” (12:48-13:03 | Kristen)

    • “If you can choose to see comparison as a fact rather than an emotion, things get a little bit easier to navigate.” (19:17-19:25 | Kristen)

    • “It is important for me to understand that I do not have it as bad as other people in some ways. I also have to understand that does not invalidate what I am going through. Multiple things can be true at once.” (25:32-25:50 | Kristen)

    • “What we have come to define empathy as is intentional understanding of yourself and others. It's making less assumptions and asking more questions.” (36:01-36:16 | Kristen)


    Links


    http://www.argooddoctors.com

    http://www.instagram.com/abbeyresearch

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/kristendonnellyphd

    http://bit.ly/ARDigest

    https://www.abbey-research.com/words-we-dont-say-anymore-online-training/



    XOXO,

    C


    If you know that it’s time to actually DO something about the burnout cycle you’ve been in for too long - book your free consult today: bit.ly/callcait


    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/quiz


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    #straightfromsarah: Knowing and Accepting Yourself Makes Burnout Recovery Faster Jun 05, 2022
    Show notes

    Do you feel like you’re not actually suited for the role you are trying to fill in your life? That role might not be the ideal one for you! In this week’s #straightfromsarah episode, FRIED Burnout Coach Sarah Vosen talks about ways to get to know yourself better and how to apply what you learn to help lead a more fulfilling and more burnout-proof life.


    When Sarah realized she wasn’t thriving in her chosen profession, she could not understand why at first. However, once she started taking some personality quizzes and really looking seriously at the results, it became very clear that the type of person she was and the type of career she had chosen were not perfectly compatible. She’d struggled her entire life trying to fit in and be like everyone else, but her personality types showed that she was unique and one of the rarer types of people on the planet. When we learn more about ourselves, we can make sure we are spending our time and energy appropriately instead of trying to fill roles we were never meant to fill.


    Tune into this week’s #straightfromsarah episode to learn more about different personality quizzes and why it is important that your personality type be compatible with your lifestyle and career choices.


    Quotes

    • “I was not meant to be doing life like most people, but I had been pushing myself as hard as I could to keep up and work hard like the masses. And when I sat down and looked at all of these quiz results and descriptions, and looked at what truly resonated for me, I realized that I am not like most. My personality traits make me one of the less common members of humanity. I am on the fringe. No wonder I don't tend to want to do or buy the same things as most nor can I handle the same kind of schedule.” (4:25-4:54 | Sarah)

    • “I couldn't see as many patients as my other acupuncturist and massage therapist friends. I found out later that those friends were indeed a different type than I am. They are generators or manifesting generators, which means that they are folks that are wired for getting more work done. I was trying to be someone I wasn't, and it felt terrible.” (5:22-5:38 | Sarah)

    • “In order to recover from burnout I needed to accept my role, the one that utilizes my strengths. The one that I'm wired for. The one that my constitution is suited for.” (6:12-6:22 | Sarah)

    • “The more we know ourselves, we gain clarity around what to take on and how to spend our time and energy. This helps us say no to what isn't ours and let the rest go. This is crucial in burnout recovery.” (7:53-8:06 | Sarah)

    • “You don’t have to be everything to everyone. You just have to be you. And do the role that you’re already good at. If that sounds relieving to you, please give yourself permission to let go of offering everything that isn’t yours.” (10:21-10:35 | Sarah)


    Links

    Our quiz: https://quiz.tryinteract.com/#/61d4455460a67b0018a4c902

    Sarah: https://caitdonovan.as.me/sarah-connect

    Cait: https://caitdonovan.as.me/free


    Links to personality quizzes:

    Myers-Briggs: https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

    Enneagram: https://personalitypath.com/free-enneagram-personality-test/

    Chinese 5 Elements: https://learnthefiveelements.com/5-elements-quiz/

    Human Design: https://www.jovianarchive.com/get_your_chart

    Ayurvedic Dosha: https://kripalu.org/content/whats-your-dosha

    Highly Sensitivity: https://hsperson.com/test/highly-sensitive-test/

    Astrological Sign: https://chart.chaninicholas.com


    XOXO,

    C


    If you know that it’s time to actually DO something about the burnout cycle you’ve been in for too long - book your free consult today: bit.ly/callcait


    https://friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/quiz


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