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In today's episode, we catch up with former guest Daniel Hulsman after his membership launch. FULL TRANSCRIPT Jocelyn Sams: Hey, y'all. On today's podcast, we catch up with former guest Daniel Hulsman after his membership launch. Shane Sams: Welcome to the Flip Lifestyle Podcast, where life always comes before work. We're your hosts, Shane and Jocelyn Sams. We're a real family that figured out how to make our entire living online. Now, we help other families do the same. You ready to flip your life? All right, let's get started. Shane Sams: What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Flip Lifestyle Podcast. It is great to be back with you again this week. I am really pumped up today because we are welcoming back a former guest, who was previously on the show. He's now launched his membership, launched his business, actually has customers, and this is even a more special former guest, because he is our favorite former troll. It's our good buddy, Daniel Hulsman. Daniel, welcome back to the show, man. Daniel Hulsman: Hey, Shane and Jocelyn. Thank you for having me. Jocelyn Sams: Yes, absolutely. We are happy to have you. Jocelyn Sams: ... here, again, today. We have some exciting stuff to talk about, some, kinda, hard stuff to talk about. We just got a really good conversation brewing, today. So we're really excited about this. We've been following along with you after your membership launch. You've had a few ups and downs, I would say. Daniel Hulsman: Yeah. Just a few. Shane Sams: Now, let me get everybody caught back up 'cause I think this is airing somewhere around December, January. I'm not exactly sure. So, Daniel was on the show back in July of 2018. It was episode 212. Right, Jocelyn? Jocelyn Sams: Yep, flippedlifestyle.com/podcast212. Shane Sams: So the interesting story behind Daniel even appearing on the show is Daniel didn't come to the Flipped Lifestyle community or podcast in, what I would call, the normal way. Daniel actually sent me some scathing hate mail at one point. Daniel Hulsman: Oh. It wasn't that. Jocelyn Sams: Okay. Shane Sams: It gets worse every time I tell the story, though. You know how it goes. Jocelyn Sams: In his defense, it's not the worse thing we've ever gotten. Shane Sams: It's not the worse thing we've ever gotten. Daniel Hulsman: It was definitely saucy. Shane Sams: It was saucy? It was quite the criticism. Okay? Daniel Hulsman: Yeah. Shane Sams: As I'm known to do, I like to engage with people online whether it's via email or fan mail or not-so-fan mail. Right? I actually got into a great discussion with Daniel and, kind of, challenged him to come in and actually look at our community, check us out, see how everything's going. Anyway, long story short, I've even invited him on the podcast. I said, "I'll tell you what. Come on the podcast. We'll talk about it," and we did. Right? Daniel's been a member, now, for a while, in the Flip Your Life community and just an awesome guy, just a great heart, and I am so glad that we became friends and that we got to be doing this online business stuff together. Shane Sams: So, long story short, we talked to you about your business and all that good stuff. Tell everybody a little bit, real quick, about your business, the nutshell version and, kind of, what's happened since you've joined the Flip Your Life community since that podcast. Tell them just a little bit about your business and where it ended up at, at this point, today. Daniel Hulsman: Sure. Yeah. So, in a nutshell, I run a website called Video Game Music Academy which is a resource for new and aspiring composers looking to break into the video game industry which is something that I wanted to do when I was younger but there was never any resources. So I decided to make one in ... I believe we talked July 1 when we recorded that episode. On that day, I was just starting off with a 21-day challenge then at the end of that, I launched my membership website. Daniel Hulsman: So on July 1, I had no plan to launch a membership website. On July 21, I launched a membership website. Jocelyn Sams: It's, kind of, funny how that works. You know? A lot of people who know us, they're like, "You know what? I didn't really plan to have an online business but, then, I talked to you guys and y'all have one. Shane Sams: It's funny when people talk to use. They'll come to use with a timeline. They sometimes say, "Yeah, I'm thinking about doing this three months from now." Jocelyn Sams: We're like, "Yeah, I know." Shane Sams: We're like, "What about three days?" Daniel Hulsman: Yeah, that kind of insanity was very motivating. I like that aspect of the challenge when it seems a little bit crazy. So, yeah, the kind of insanity of that short timeline was a great motivator. Since then, I'd say that my website has gone from what you really could've called a hobby, 'cause it wasn't really producing in any meaningful way, to a business where I've got an LLC now and I think that launch gave me a little over 30 members. I launched again for another week, and now the membership part of the website has 58 paying members. Shane Sams: Amazing. Jocelyn Sams: Wow. That is awesome. Shane Sams: That's awesome, Dude. That's like a high. Right? Now, everybody thinks ... Let's look forward. One, congratulations. That's amazing. All right? We're proud of you for doing that. There's a lot of people listening to the show right now that wanna reach through and grab you and take your 58 members for themselves. Right? Shane Sams: It's hard. It's hard to launch a business. It's hard to build a following and it's hard to convince 58 people to give you money every month. Right? Daniel Hulsman: Yeah. Shane Sams: I'm sure that that was, kind of, of a high like one of the craziest best days of your life kinda deals. Jocelyn Sams: Well, and I know that I was so excited when I saw this success story come in. You know? I check our community, pretty much, every day. When I saw that come in, I was like, "Oh, my goodness. I'm so happy." That was awesome. So, we're so pumped. Then, real soon after that, tell everybody a little bit about what happened. Shane Sams: What happened ... Now, so you got members. You've got this active community. You've taken the leap from hobby to business. What happened next? How did it go next? What's happened since that day? Daniel Hulsman: Well, I got hit with what I think I described in the membership community as soul-crushing lack of motivation. Shane Sams: Don't sugar coat it now. Tell me how you were doing. Daniel Hulsman: Yeah. No. Yeah. The soul was definitely under the heel of the boot there. I don't know what it was. Part of me suspected that ... One thing about me is that when I have a big challenge, that excites me, but when I see that I can attain the challenge, when I see that it's doable. If I've done step one and I see that I am capable of completing step 10, then it becomes a big demotivator for me. It's not as exciting anymore. I think that was part of it. Then another part of it was just that I, kind of, got hit with a little bit of the overwhelm, a little bit of the imposter syndrome. It's like all three of those things, sorta, hit at once. Daniel Hulsman: I, kinda, went into a slump for a few weeks really ... right after I'd launched my membership site. It was really tough to get things done and to decide what the best thing to do was. It was really hard to dig myself out of that. It took me about a month, I think, to really dig myself out of that completely. Jocelyn Sams: I love the conversation that came out of that in the community because I feel like there were so many people who jumped in and just said, "Hey, you're not alone," and I really loved that because you're not alone. In fact, I was thinking about that earlier today because one of the things that we did that was really big, recently, is we had a big live event. We thought, "Oh, this isn't possible," and we had this big build-up toward it. We did the event, and now we're, kinda like, "Okay. Well, now what?" Shane Sams: Like you pulled something off that you really- Jocelyn Sams: You really shouldn't have been able to do. Shane Sams: ... really shouldn't be able to pull off. At least, that's what we're taught. Right? Daniel Hulsman: Yep. Shane Sams: You know, it's like we do that and then you're like, "Whoa." Then, on top of that, you're still working full-time. Right? Daniel Hulsman: Yeah, and it was actually interesting. Usually, you expect, when you get a launch and paying members, that that extra money would feel pretty good. But, in this specific case, I was transitioning between two teaching jobs. So my one contract ended at the end of July, and my next contract started at the beginning of September. So I ended up having a month where we just lost my income. That was the money from the website, really, started coming in which was great. It was really needed at the time ... super helpful but, at the same time, it also dulled a lot of the excitement because, instead of feeling like icing on the cake, it felt more like a patch on... a big hole. So- Jocelyn Sams: Well, thank goodness for the patch, though. Right? Daniel Hulsman: Yes. Without the patch, it would've been massive panic attack. Shane Sams: Yeah. You know, it's crazy what people forget when they think about starting a business, being self-employed, or even moving toward that kind of mindset and lifestyle, is just because you're doing that and just because you're succeeding in one area, you still got work. You still got family. You still got kids. All those things are still there and every time we add something, it cuts us a little thinner. You know what I'm saying? It's like in "Lord of the Rings," when he says, "I feel like butter spread too thin on toast," or something. Right? Daniel Hulsman: Yes. Shane Sams: That's what happens, especially early on, not just when you start building the online business, 'cause it's easy to get distracted when you're building everything. You know how you get in those modes of creation where you lose track of time and you look up and it's six hours later and you've built something. Right? Daniel Hulsman: Yep. Shane Sams: It's, kind of, like that when you're building the online business but, then when you launch and it goes out there, now you've actually added one more thing on your plate. Right?- Daniel Hulsman: At least. Shane Sams: ... and we just keep getting ... At least ... and we keep getting sliced thinner, and thinner, and thinner. That can add to the overwhelm. Right? Daniel Hulsman: Oh yeah. Felt like it. That's for sure. Jocelyn Sams: Yeah, and I think that this is part of just being, I guess what you'd call a budding entrepreneur. It's because you have all of these things going on. You still have all of your personal life things going on. You still have all your work things going on. Then, you also have the membership community and once you've sold something to someone, you can't just be like, "Okay, guys. Take a little break. See ya." It doesn't exactly work that way. You have to be there for those people, too, which is really cool but it's also a little bit scary when you have so many other things going on, on all the other burners and you're like, "Okay, well, now what?" It's a weird middle ground between starting out and having, I guess what you'd call, a big business where you have people to help you. Shane Sams: So where are we now? So we've got the soul-crushing motivation kicked in. We all had a pow-wow about that in the community. Right? Daniel Hulsman: Oh, yeah. Jocelyn's been like my personal cheerleader, among a lot of people but- Shane Sams: Exactly. So we've gotten to the point where we're, kind of, grinding forward and moving, but where are you right now, just mentally and emotionally when it comes to the business and everything else? You're back in the classroom. You've got your new job. You've transitioned there. Right? So, at least, some of those spoils from that monthly membership feel a little better now. Right? Daniel Hulsman: Yep. Shane Sams: What's happening that's, kind of, stalled you out right now in your business and causing confusion? Daniel Hulsman: Yeah. So, I just opened up the membership again and closed it on October 31. It was open for about 10 days, and got my new members in. So it's only be about a week since I closed the doors, and I know that this is a very critical time for the new members, and also know that I really want to kick things up a notch in terms of content creation inside of the membership community in terms of educational resources. I also know that in January I'm gonna be doing another quarterly challenge or just that 21-day challenge that I use to ... it's been my main source of leads that have turned into sales. Daniel Hulsman: So I've got all these three different things. So I feel like I've got ... I really want to make sure I'm nurturing the community. I really wanna make sure that I'm preparing the website to scale a little bit more, and I also wanna make sure that I'm not just going to assume the funnel is going to be similar in January. I've gotta feed that funnel for the next challenge because I've now put my current list through that same challenge twice in the past six months. So I need to get new people coming in, new people on the list so that I've got more fresh blood in the challenge to go down that funnel towards the end. Daniel Hulsman: On top of that, on the personal side of things, I've transitioned into a new job which is still very high energy. Beginning a new teaching job is tough, learning 500 students' names and blah, blah, blah, a lot of things that go with a new teaching job. I also have some things going on in the family that I'm not gonna go into, but it's been tough on the family and good news, on the positive end, we have our second son. He's gonna be due in early February. Shane Sams: You got about three months, then. Daniel Hulsman: Yeah. Shane Sams: You're like a quarter away from having another human in your life. Jocelyn Sams: And I love how you work, Daniel, because you're, kind of, like us. We're like, "Oh, we have a three-year-old and an 18-month-old. Let's start a couple of businesses. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea, sounds like a good time. Like, yeah, totally doable. You know, sometimes, people are the way that they are is, like, you have to have a lot of things going on in order to get things done. I feel like you're probably one of those types of people. I think I'm like that too. Jocelyn Sams: I remember the only time in college that I got all A's was when I had 18 hours and two full-time jobs ... no, two part-time jobs. Sorry. So it ended up being like a full-time job. Then I had 18 hours of course load. Shane Sams: The only time in college I got all A's was the semester I met Jocelyn, to impress her. Jocelyn Sams: 'cause we went to the library all the time. Shane Sams: Once I felt like I was in, I just, kinda, slacked off a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Jocelyn Sams: Which is so true. Shane Sams: I'm listening to ... going back to the soul-crushing motivation moment. Right?…
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