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Anxiety And The "Yeah But" (Episode 171) Sep 04, 2026

"Yeah, but." Two words that show up constantly in anxiety recovery, right after a win. You did the thing, and before it can count, the mind adds a condition: yeah, but I had my water bottle with me, yeah, but I still felt anxious, yeah, but a real doctor might find something the others missed.

This week we break down why "yeah, but" is one of anxiety's most effective tools, using misapplied logic, hypothetical scenarios, and stories that have nothing to do with you to keep the argument going and hold your attention. We talk about how it shows up differently across panic, health anxiety, OCD, and social anxiety, why the content of the yeah, but never really matters, and how to flip the phrase back on itself instead of arguing with it.

Plus Did It Anyway wins, including a first dentist visit in four years, a slow jog after a year of heart-rate monitoring, and a 1,600 mile trip taken through panic and OCD.

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Anxiety, People Pleasing, and Self-Esteem (Episode 170) Aug 28, 2026

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Not everything is an anxiety disorder, but people pleasing and low self-esteem feed into it constantly. This week we talk about why the two overlap so heavily, and why learning to desensitize almost always requires putting yourself first, which can feel like the least safe thing in the world if pleasing people is how you've kept yourself safe.

We get into what people pleasing actually looks like, from constant scanning of other people's moods to guilt as a baseline feeling, why it's usually a learned response rather than a personality trait, and why exposure work doesn't work without some baseline self-acceptance. We also talk about why the values underneath people pleasing, kindness, cooperation, and community, aren't the problem. It's when they become the only way you're allowed to exist.

Plus Did It Anyway wins, including six flights taken through a lifelong fear of flying.

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Common Anxiety Recovery "Mistakes" (Episode 169) Aug 21, 2026

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This week we go through the most common mistakes people make while trying to recover from anxiety disorders, the ones that feel intuitive in the moment but end up keeping the cycle going.

We cover minimizing your own wins, thinking a place or situation is the actual exposure instead of the feeling underneath it, overestimating anxiety's importance while underestimating your own ability to handle it, and treating a thought that feels true as if it is true. We also talk about why trying to prevent the bad thing from happening during exposure defeats the purpose, why crediting safety behaviors instead of yourself keeps you stuck, and why arguing with anxious thoughts or trying to think your way out of anxiety almost never works.

Plus Did It Anyway wins from Canada, Sweden, and Turkey, including one that involves scuba diving.

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Anxiety, Distraction, and "Running From Feelings" (Episode 168) Aug 14, 2026

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Is distraction the same thing as running from your feelings? This week we answer a listener question about where that line actually is, and why the answer isn't as simple as always sit with it.

We talk about why attention plays such a big role in anxiety disorders, why getting caught up in your life is not automatically avoidance, and why the real question isn't am I distracting myself but what am I actually running from. We also get into why every emotion, not just anxiety, deserves room, and why treating fear as the only feeling that matters can quietly shut down curiosity about everything else you feel.

Plus Did It Anyway wins, including a tattoo appointment survived and a listener who fell asleep during a 90 minute MRI.

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Popular But Dangerous Anxiety Advice (Episode 167) Aug 07, 2026

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Anxiety recovery attracts an entire industry, and not all of it is safe. This week we talk about popular but dangerous anxiety cures, the methods and trends that get recommended constantly but that our community says actually made things worse.

We cover the trauma narrative that convinces people their panic and OCD are rooted in trauma stored in the body, nervous system regulation and vagus nerve claims built on debunked science, tapping and EFT marketed as evidence based when it isn't, coaching programs that blame you when their method fails, and wellness grifts like parasite cleanses and heavy metal detoxes. We also talk about why well meaning therapists and coaches can cause real harm even when they believe they're helping.

Plus Did It Anyway wins from Sydney and Saudi Arabia.

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Anxiety Questions and Answers (Episode 166) Jul 31, 2026

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This is our anxiety latest questions and answers episode, where we go straight to the community and tackle real listener questions about panic disorder, OCD, GAD, and health anxiety.

We get into what to do when anxiety symptoms show up all day without fitting a specific diagnosis, why worrying about something you live with, like an aging house, does not count as exposure on its own, and how to tell the difference between doing real exposure work and quietly avoiding it. We also cover what to do when your own therapist contradicts what you hear on this podcast, and why food avoidance driven by fear, including emetophobia, usually needs a different approach than logic and willpower.

Plus several Did It Anyway wins from the community, including a three hour movie and a three night trip taken despite dread and derealization.

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Anxiety Always Has A Strategy, and Its Nonsense (Episode 165) Jul 24, 2026

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Anxiety always seems to have a strategy for you, doesn't it?

Check it, prepare for it, watch it closely so nothing bad happens
Stay on top of things so you can be the fixer, the predictor, the protector, the engineer of experiences
Do not take your eyes off the worry because worry is proof of how good you are and how loving you are.

This week we're picking that strategy apart and showing why it almost never holds up.

We're talking about:

The nocebo effect and why anticipating symptoms can create them
Why anxiety takes credit for bad things not happening even when the worry and avoidance did nothing
Why so many strategies anxiety hands you, from monitoring intrusive thoughts to rehearsing what you'll say to a stranger, are solving a problem that was never actually there to begin with

We also get into why restarting exercise after a period of anxiety can bring on new physical stress, and what that means.

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Anxiety And Releasing Tension (Episode 164) Jul 17, 2026

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Everyone tells you to release tension. But if you live with panic disorder, OCD, or health anxiety, that advice can backfire fast. This week we're digging into why chasing relaxation as a goal often makes tension worse, and what actually helps instead.

We're talking about why physical tension is a normal response to stress and fear, not a problem to fix. Why techniques like jaw stretches, massage, and meditation can turn into more monitoring and checking. And why sometimes the fastest way through tension is to stop trying to manage how you feel and put your attention somewhere else entirely.

Plus listener Did It Anyway stories from Florida, Estonia, and Germany, because sometimes the only way through is to just do the thing anyway.

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When Anxiety Says You're The Exception (Episode 163) Jul 10, 2026

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Anxiety has a favorite move. It doesn't argue that acceptance and exposure don't work. It just convinces you they don't apply to you specifically. This thought, this sensation, this situation, is the one exception to every rule you already understand.

This week we break down what fuels that exception: possibility, intensity, and importance, plus the urgency that makes an unlikely outcome feel like it's already happening. A 1 in 5,000 chance means nothing until anxiety puts your name on it. The same pattern shows up everywhere: the one OCD ritual someone insists they can't skip, the health scare that supposedly voids all the usual rules, the flight or the dentist visit where the real fear isn't the obvious one but some elaborate scenario your brain built from nothing.

We also get into the meta version of this:

I've had it longer than anyone
I have more going on than anyone else
no one is as scared as I am.

It's the same doubt wearing a different story, and it isn't true. You don't want to be special here.

Plus listener wins from the community: a woman who pushed through agoraphobia and fresh grief to make it to her grandmother's funeral, and another who felt a wave of panic build in a crowded arcade and chose to stay instead of running.

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Anxiety Recovery PROCESS vs CONTENT (Episode 162) Jul 03, 2026

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It's your heart. Or the dizziness. Or the one thought you can't get to leave you alone. If you could just solve that specific thing, you'd finally be okay. This week we push back on that.

The subject of your fear, the heartbeat, the health scare, the intrusive thought, the situation you're avoiding, is the content. What's actually running underneath it, the same threat response, the same doubt, the same physical symptoms no matter what story your brain attaches them to this week, is the process. Chase the content and it just moves. Solve one fear and another takes its place, because you were never fighting the fear itself. We also get into the exception clause, the "yeah, but what about" that convinces you your specific situation is somehow different from every other anxious thought you've ever had, and why treating it that way only teaches your brain the opposite of what you're trying to teach it.

None of this means the content doesn't matter. Your health matters. Your relationships matter. That's exactly why it's so easy to get pulled into trying to fix it directly instead of doing the harder, less obvious work underneath. Plus, listener updates from the community:

* a mom who kept walking with her kids through a wave of panic in the heat

* someone who worked a full shift through dizziness instead of stopping to check it

* a listener who took a long-planned trip anyway, only to get a Meniere's diagnosis right after, and found she could hold both the diagnosis and the proof that she'd handled the trip.

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Anxiety Recovery: Bring ALL Versions Of You (Episode 161) Jun 26, 2026

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You want to do the acceptance thing. You've read the books, you've listened to the podcasts, you intellectually get it. And then you get triggered, and suddenly the version of you that's anxious, scared, or doubting gets the door slammed in its face. That version of you is broken. That version shouldn't be here. That version needs to go.

But that's the version of you that actually has to learn the lesson.

In this episode we dig into one of the most common ways people unknowingly block their own recovery - conditional self-acceptance. Accepting yourself when you're calm and feeling OK, but turning on yourself the moment anxiety shows up, is not acceptance. It's a condition. You cannot do genuine tolerance, surrender, or desensitization while simultaneously trying to kick the anxious part of you out of the room.

Come as you are - tired, scared, doubting, not optimal - because that's who has to do the work. We also take apart the "80 days to become the person you want to be" optimization culture that's quietly telling anxious people they're broken, and why understanding your anxiety intellectually is necessary but nowhere near sufficient on its own. Plus real listener wins from the community, including a mom with emetophobia who used her son getting sick in the car as an accidental (and very successful) exposure.

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Anxiety: It's All About Attention, Baby! (Episode 160) Jun 19, 2026

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This week we're talking about attention. Specifically, how where you place your focus directly impacts your anxiety and your recovery.

We discuss how an anxiety disorder naturally hijacks your attention, pulling it inward to scan for threats inside your own body and mind. While checking in on how you feel might seem like the safest thing to do, it actually feeds the sensitization process. We look at the role of the locus coeruleus and the cognitive attentional syndrome, explaining why trying to constantly monitor, soothe, or "fix" your internal state keeps you stuck in a loop.

Recovery isn't about clearing the room or making the anxiety disappear before you can live your life; it is about practicing attentional control even when you are triggered. We share real-life examples from our community, including a 16-hour road trip and navigating a stressful work meeting, to show what happens when you bring your anxiety along for the ride instead of waiting for it to vanish.

Tune in to learn why shifting your focus toward meaningful action is a skill you can build, and how changing your relationship with your attention changes your recovery.

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Improving .... Or Optimizing Your Health and Wellness (Episode 159) Jun 12, 2026

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Improving vs. Optimizing in Anxiety Recovery

In this episode of Disordered, Drew and Josh tackle a topic suggested by the community: the hidden trap of the "optimization culture" and how it intersects with anxiety and OCD.

There is a distinct difference between wanting to improve your health and falling into compulsive, perfectionist territory where every metric must be flawlessly managed. For an anxious mind fixated on certainty, the modern wellness industry’s obsession with biohacking, strict routines, and endless supplements can quickly become a tool for emotional avoidance. If you are optimizing your life just to prevent feeling anxious, you are inadvertently teaching your brain that you cannot handle discomfort.

Drew and Josh break down why checking out of the optimization loop and building psychological flexibility is essential for long-term recovery. They also share a couple of incredible "Did It Anyway" audio wins from the listener community, highlighting real-world victories over agoraphobia and situational panic.

Improvement vs. Optimization: Improving is about a flexible desire for growth; optimization often stems from a rigid need to control variables and avoid difficult feelings.
The Routine Trap: When your wellness routine gets the credit for you feeling okay, you miss out on learning that you are capable of tolerating distress on your own.
The Illusion of Control: Optimization culture survives by capturing your attention through fear, selling the false promise that you can micromonitor your way out of the human condition.
Managing Actual Health Conditions: When dealing with legitimate medical issues, recovery means learning to distinguish between practical, non-anxious monitoring and urgent, compulsive checking.

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Anxiety Recovery ... When You're Calm (Episode 158) Jun 05, 2026

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What do you do when your anxiety finally quietens down for a few days? For many of us, a calm day triggers a completely new set of anxious habits. We treat the absence of panic as a fragile victory, freezing in place so we do not ruin it, or constantly checking around the corner to see if the fear is returning.

In this episode, we address why the work of anxiety recovery continues even when you are feeling calm. When we spend our quiet days monitoring our internal state or scanning for threats, we signal to the brain that anxiety is still an active danger. True desensitization and psychological flexibility require us to drop the checking behaviors, turn off the comparison engine, and actually live our lives on the days we feel good.

We also share some fantastic "Did It Anyway" stories from our community, including a listener who navigated relationship OCD (ROCD) all the way to her wedding day, and another who broke a cycle of winter avoidance to go out for tacos.

The Comparison Engine: Why constantly evaluating whether today is better or worse than yesterday keeps your brain on high alert.
Sneaky Avoidance Plugins: How we mistakenly build rigid structures and cut out foods, books, or activities to artificially protect our calm.
Testing Willingness vs. Procedures: Why recovery is about discovering your capacity to handle discomfort, not finding a perfect routine to prevent it.
Living the Life You Want: Why a non-anxious day is the perfect opportunity to expand your world, try that avoided food, or take an unexpected drive, rather than sitting by the door waiting for the feelings to return.

Anxiety recovery is not a linear process, and it is not about winning an episode or permanently erasing a human emotion. It is about building the resilience to handle whatever experience comes your way, whether it is calm, neutral, or challenging.

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Is Distraction a Compulsion In Anxiety Recovery? (Episode 157) May 29, 2026

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Can distraction be a compulsion in anxiety recovery? It is a question that comes up constantly in the anxiety community. Many people are told to simply "distract your mind" when they feel anxious, but if you are doing it specifically to escape a feeling, it can quickly turn into a safety behavior or a compulsion.

In this episode of Disordered, the guys break down the crucial difference between using distraction as an urgent escape mechanism and choosing to intentionally shift your attention toward something meaningful. Drew and Josh look at how the intent and the presence of urgency dictate whether an action is helping your recovery or keeping you stuck in the anxiety loop.

Intent vs. Escape: Why how and why you distract yourself matters far more than the activity itself.
The Role of Urgency: How sprinting to an activity to stop an anxious feeling turns a healthy action into a compliance mechanism.
Attentional Control: The practice of moving your focus to value-driven actions even while anxiety chats away in the background.
Rewiring the Amygdala: Why teaching your brain that you are safe requires turning your attention away from the threat response.
Listener "Did It Anyways": Inspiring stories from the community, including overcoming a years-long fear of flying and navigating major life challenges while continuing to take brave steps forward.

Recovery is not about achieving perfect distraction to prevent difficult feelings. It is about building psychological flexibility and learning that you can coexist with discomfort while choosing where to put your focus.

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Asking For Anxiety Help (Episode 156) May 22, 2026

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Asking for help can be difficult, especially when you are struggling with anxiety, panic disorder, OCD, or agoraphobia. In this episode, Drew and Josh break down the nuances of asking for anxiety help. There is a fine line between asking for genuine support and looking for compulsive reassurance or soothing to make the discomfort disappear.

Drew and Josh discuss why so many people feel like a burden when asking for support and how anxiety often twists the desire for help into a demand for certainty. You will learn how to shift away from asking for short-term fixes and instead ask for the encouragement and reminders you need to tolerate difficult feelings and build long-term psychological flexibility.

The guys also share inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from the community, demonstrating how learning to accept discomfort—and sometimes even choosing to do less or rest—is a vital part of the recovery journey.

Reassurance vs. Support: Understanding the difference between asking for tools to cope and asking for temporary soothing to make the feelings go away.
Overcoming the "Burden" Myth: Why anxiety makes you feel like an inconvenience and how to reframe asking for help as a step toward growth.
Asking for Encouragement over Certainty: How requesting reminders of your past success and capability can help you step into feared situations.
The Courage to Do Less: Why sometimes the best way to do it anyway is to give yourself permission to rest and step off the productivity treadmill.

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Taboo OCD Themes (Episode 155) May 15, 2026

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OCD is a difficult condition to navigate, but it becomes significantly more challenging when obsessions center on taboo topics. Themes involving harm, pedophilia (pOCD), sexual orientation (HOCD), or moral and religious failure often carry a heavy burden of shame. This shame frequently drives people into silence, preventing them from seeking the help they need.

In this episode, Drew is joined by Jess Marriner, an OCD specialist based in the UK. They discuss why the human brain can latch onto these specific themes and why having a "taboo" thought does not reflect your character or your actual desires.

Key Topics Discussed:

The Nature of Taboo Thoughts: Recognizing that intrusive thoughts about harm or socially unacceptable acts are common mental occurrences and do not make you a dangerous person.
The Role of Shame: How the socially unacceptable nature of these themes feeds the OCD cycle and keeps sufferers isolated.
Common Compulsions: Identifying sneaky mental rituals like reassurance seeking, thought neutralizing, and "testing" to see if a thought feels true.
Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP): How to approach treatment by leaning into the discomfort and uncertainty rather than fighting the content of the thoughts.
The Goal of Recovery: Moving from a state of constant panic and checking to a place where thoughts are seen as irrelevant mental noise.

If you are struggling with taboo obsessions, this conversation highlights that you are not alone and that recovery is possible through evidence-based approaches like ERP and acceptance-based strategies.

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Anxiety Recovery: When You're Trying To "Win" (Episode 154) May 01, 2026

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In this episode, Josh and Drew discuss a common hurdle in anxiety recovery: the desire to "win" against your anxiety. For many, especially those with perfectionist tendencies, anxiety is viewed as an adversary that has taken something away. This leads to a constant, habitual checking to see if the anxiety is gone, which inadvertently keeps you stuck in a cycle of monitoring and frustration.

We look at why defining recovery as a "win" can be counterproductive.

The Lack of Closure: Unlike a sports match, there is no final bell or celebration when you recover. Recovery often just peters out until you realize you haven't thought about how you feel in weeks.
Examination Compulsions: When you are hell-bent on winning, you might find yourself checking how you feel 50 times a day. Because anxiety involves a doubt response, even a "good" check is often met with more doubt, leading to increased frustration.
The Perfectionist Hurdle: Perfectionists often want to get recovery "exactly right," looking for a certificate or absolute proof that the battle is over.

We explore the idea that true progress isn't measured by the absence of symptoms, but by your willingness to experience them.

Surrender vs. Resistance: While "winning" implies a fight, recovery is found in surrender—not to the anxiety, but to the reality of the moment.
Functional Impact: We discuss measuring success by how much you are living your life, regardless of how you feel. If an adrenaline spike used to stop you for a week and now it only stops you for an hour, that is progress.
The Paradox of Recovery: You know you are winning when you stop asking if you are winning.

We share inspiring stories from our community members who practiced these principles.

The 5K Race: A listener shares how she completed a 5K and set a personal best despite dealing with stomach cramps and the urge to stop.
The London Trip: A community member discusses traveling to London and using the tube while experiencing high anxiety and physical sensations, choosing to lean into the discomfort to attend an important event.
The Wedding Day: A past caller shares her experience of getting married while navigating Relationship OCD (ROCD), proving that you can have a beautiful, meaningful day even when your internal experience is difficult.

Ultimately, the win isn't when the anxiety leaves; the win is when it doesn't matter that it's there.

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Let Me Tell You How I Feel (Episode 153) Apr 24, 2026

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Let's start with a success story from the UK. While being medically monitored for four hours, our listener realized how much attention she was giving to her physical symptoms. Her story highlights the difference between noticing a sensation and compulsively monitoring it.

Which leads us to a conversation about the urge to ALWAYS talk about how you feel - either out loud or silently in an internal dialogue.

We discuss the "telling compulsion," which is a common behavior for those struggling with anxiety and OCD. This is the urge to immediately report every physical sensation or intrusive thought to someone else.

The Safety Seek: Telling others how you feel is often a safety behavior used to gain temporary reassurance.
The "Problem Shared" Myth: While talking about emotions is generally seen as healthy, in the context of an anxiety disorder, it can become a repetitive loop that keeps the brain in a state of high alert.
Internal Monitoring: You don't have to say it out loud for it to be a compulsion. Constantly checking in with yourself and asking "how do I feel now?" is the internal version of the same behavior.

Conventional wisdom suggests you should always express your feelings. However, for someone with an anxiety disorder, focusing intensely on every "buzz" in the head or "jelly leg" sensation actually reinforces the idea that these feelings are dangerous.

Therapeutic Missteps: We acknowledge that even therapists are sometimes trained to push clients to "probe" and "feel more deeply" into sensations that are actually just symptoms of a misfiring threat response.
The Goal of Discernment: Recovery involves learning when it is productive to talk about an emotion (like anger from a fight with a partner) and when it is better to disengage from a physical anxiety symptom.

A few key principles you may bring with you from this episode:

Labeling Feelings: People often wrap every emotion in the label of "anxiety." You are allowed to feel angry, sad, or even happy without it being a "symptom" that needs to be reported.
Psychological Flexibility: Recovery is about learning to be with difficult internal experiences rather than trying to control or prevent them.
The Amygdala: Constantly talking about your anxiety to seek relief keeps your threat response turned on.

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Anxiety in the Supermarket or Grocery Store (Episode 152) Apr 17, 2026

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Have you ever felt like a supermarket was a high-stakes obstacle course you just couldn’t wait to escape? In this episode of Disordered, Josh and Drew dive deep into a struggle that almost everyone with an anxiety disorder knows well: anxiety in the supermarket or grocery store.

Whether it is the harsh fluorescent lighting, the narrow aisles, or the trapped feeling of standing in a long checkout queue, the grocery store is often a primary trigger for panic and agoraphobia. We discuss why this mundane chore feels so confronting and share our own personal histories of running out of stores and abandoning shopping carts.

Sensory Overload: Why the music, lights, and crowds create a maelstrom for the anxious brain.
The Exit Mentality: The habit of scanning for fire exits and the urge to rush through shopping as a hit and run experience.
Cognitive Sequencing: The difficulty of making simple decisions when your brain is stuck in panic mode.
Real Success Stories: We share a did it anyway from a listener who navigated a new store despite her agoraphobia.
Practical Strategies: Why trying to think logically does not work in the moment and how to practice willful tolerance instead.

We also touch on the 7% Slower rule and how intentionally slowing down your physical pace can teach your brain that you are not actually in danger. If you have ever felt like reality was collapsing while you were just trying to buy ingredients for lasagna, this episode is for you.

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Anxiety Disorders and Sneaky Compulsions (Episode 151) Apr 10, 2026

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This episode of Disordered dives into the concept of sneaky compulsions. Many people struggling with anxiety or OCD often find themselves performing behaviors that they do not immediately recognize as compulsions. These can look like productive research, seeking reassurance through a joke, or even "checking" to see if you still feel calm.

Drew and Josh discuss how these behaviors are often avoidance or escape mechanisms in disguise. Whether it is asking a therapist if you are the worst case they have ever seen or using AI to obsess over a body sensation, these actions are designed to provide short term relief while keeping you stuck in the anxiety cycle.

Key topics covered in this episode:

* Why we mask compulsions as personality traits or curiosity.

* The "reassurance seeker's workaround" of projecting issues onto others.

* How gathering more information can actually be a form of avoidance.

* Real life examples from the community about catching sneaky compulsions in the moment.

* The importance of psychological flexibility and learning to be with difficult feelings instead of trying to fix them.

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Same Time Next Week - Anxiety Recovery in the "Gaps" (Episode 150) Apr 03, 2026

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In this milestone episode of Disordered, we discuss the concepts in Josh's upcoming book. The conversation focuses on the gaps in anxiety recovery and the modern hurdles that prevent people from effectively practicing desensitization.

They break down how the obsession with "optimization" and the "wellness brosphere" often becomes a distraction from the actual work of recovery. Using case studies from the book, they examine the different ways people try to avoid vulnerability by using hacks or curated identities.

CASE STUDIES:

Magnus: A young man with agoraphobia who tries to "alpha" his way out of his annex. He relies on supplements and wellness protocols rather than facing the fear directly.

Lia Su: A wellness influencer who hides severe OCD behind a perfect online persona. Her story explores how making mental health an identity can lead to more avoidance.

Ruben Kane: A retired boxer dealing with gambling issues and the shame of no longer feeling like the tough guy. His story looks at how anxiety can infiltrate a singular identity.

Miriam: A student therapist learning to navigate imposter syndrome. Josh and Drew discuss why self doubt is actually a valuable tool for growth and curiosity.

CORE CONCEPTS

Delayed Gratification: This explores the struggle to be patient in a world where everything else is instant.

Vulnerability: Recovery involves moving away from fixing or regulating and moving toward being okay with being afraid.

The Gaps: This involves identifying the subtle things we do that keep us stuck in the anxiety cycle.

Real Fear vs Real Danger: This episode emphasizes that while the fear you feel is real, you are not in actual danger.

Psychological Flexibility: You benefit more from learning to be with difficult internal experiences like anxiety and fear rather than trying to control or prevent them.

Gradual Progress: Recovery is about taking small, practical steps rather than looking for a magic solution.

BOOK INFORMATION

Josh’s new book, Same Time Next Week, is available for pre order. If you pre order before May 14th, you can receive an exclusive ebook on intrusive thoughts and a morning anxiety audio guide.

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Failing and Bailing on Anxiety Exposures? (Episode 149) Mar 27, 2026

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In this episode, Josh and Drew tackle a common hurdle in anxiety recovery: what happens when an exposure feels like a "failure" or when you choose to "bail."

An exposure is the deliberate act of evoking an anxious response. It is a way to rewire the brain by intentionally lighting up the threat response and practicing response prevention. The goal is to teach your brain that you are safe even when you feel scared, rather than trying to force yourself to feel calm.

Many people believe that feeling high levels of anxiety during an exposure means they have failed. This is a misconception. The exposure is designed to make you feel anxious; therefore, feeling those symptoms is exactly what is supposed to happen.

"Failure" is often a label generated by your Inner Critic based on perfectionist expectations. True growth comes from being willing to experience the discomfort, even if the execution feels "messy".

Bailing occurs when the discomfort becomes overwhelming and you choose to retreat. While this can feel like a setback, it is often a signal that you need more self-compassion. We discuss the "punch in the face" moment. That's the the point where the plan goes out the window because the physical sensations or intrusive thoughts become intense.

The "Bad Day Playbook": Don't try to make it up on the fly when you're panicked. Have a pre-planned set of actions to take if an exposure doesn't go as intended.
Avoid "White-Knuckling": Simply "pushing through" while counting down the seconds to escape is not the same as a willing exposure.
The Goal is Willingness: Recovery is about changing your relationship with the anxiety, not eliminating the feeling. Even an "unplanned" exposure—like a sudden intrusive thought or a physical symptom—is an opportunity to practice these principles.
Go Through the Peak: If possible, try not to leave the situation at the height of your distress. Leaving on the "back end" of the peak, on your own terms, provides the best learning opportunity for your brain.

We also share "Did It Anyway" stories from the community, including a powerful example of navigating health anxiety during a family party.

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Rolling Anxiety and Panic (Episode 148) Mar 13, 2026

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This episode of Disordered addresses the experience of constant, simmering anxiety that fluctuates in intensity throughout the day without fully disappearing. We refer to this as undulating panic or a loop of peaking anxiety.

The Nature of Rolling Anxiety: Many people that they are different because they don't have anxiety that appears, then disappears. It rolls and undulates throughout the day. This is the rule, not the exception. We explain how an internal fixation on bodily sensations and thoughts creates a cycle where anxiety rises and falls continually.
The Monitoring Trap: Using scales like Subjective Units of Distress (SUDs) can become a compulsion. When you constantly scan your body to check if you are a "four" or a "nine," you maintain the rolling, undulating sensitized state you are trying to escape.
The Sand Timer Analogy: Physiological and mental arousal (yes, even a full panic attack) has a beginning, middle, and end. Once the "sand timer" of an adrenaline spike is flipped, it must run its course. Attempting to "shake the timer" through frantic coping mechanisms only slows down the natural process of settling.
Recovery Through Action: We share listener stories of "doing it anyway" despite monophobia and physical pain. These examples illustrate how recovery involves moving forward while discomfort is present rather than waiting for it to stop.

Recovery is grounded in the principle of psychological flexibility. The goal is to learn to be with difficult internal experiences like fear and physical sensations rather than trying to control or prevent them. By treating these fluctuations as a background noise rather than a defining event, you teach your brain that the state is not a signal of danger.

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Did It Anyway - Volume 5 - Global Edition! (Episode 147) Mar 06, 2026

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In this episode of Disordered, we celebrate the "Global Edition" of Did It Anyway.

We're sharing inspiring stories from our community members around the world who chose to face their fears and take action despite experiencing intense anxiety.

From navigating health anxiety at a drum and bass gig in London to managing emetophobia while being physically ill, these stories highlight the power of psychological flexibility. We discuss how recovery isn't about the absence of anxiety, but rather the shortening of the time between "oh my god" and "oh well".

The "Did It Anyway" Mindset: How listeners applied this approach to return to work, travel, and social situations despite panic and agoraphobia.
Desensitization in Real-Time: Using exposure therapy principles to stay present with uncomfortable physical sensations rather than retreating.
Challenging Safety Behaviors: Stories of individuals staying home alone for the first time in weeks or eating "fear foods" to reclaim their lives.
Overcoming the Inner Critic: Learning to move into productive problem-solving mode instead of self-berating when anxiety spikes and thinking isn't perfectly clear.
Recovery as a Journey: Emphasizing that while these principles are simple, implementing them is a gradual process that requires patience and persistence.

We also touch on the importance of self-compassion and acknowledging that even when life is genuinely difficult—such as dealing with family health struggles—you can still apply these principles to your recovery and desensitization work.

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The Stress Jug Explained (Episode 146) Feb 27, 2026

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In this episode, Josh and Drew break down the "Stress Jug"—a metaphor designed to explain why anxiety and panic often seem to appear out of nowhere. The guys discuss how accumulated stress, both positive and negative, can cause your "threat response" to overflow, leading to sensitization and the search for a threat where none exists.

The Mechanics of Overflow: How the amygdala misinterprets a full "stress jug" as immediate danger, triggering unexpected fear and physical symptoms.
The Role of Meaning-Making: Why your brain creates narratives (like health anxiety or fear of "going crazy") to explain internal discomfort.
Beyond "Emptying the Jug": Why recovery isn't about avoiding stress or keeping the jug empty, but learning to tolerate the overflow when life gets heavy.
"Meta-Stress": Understanding the additional weight of being stressed about being stressed, and how that contributes to the cycle of disordered anxiety.
The "Gunk" at the Bottom: Addressing long-term factors like grief, self-esteem, or unprocessed emotions that occupy space in your jug.

We're also sharing "Did It Anyway" stories from the community, including a listener’s trip to Jamaica despite anxiety and a first-time solo drive after years of avoidance. These stories highlight the importance of taking action even when you don't yet believe you are safe.

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Self Compassion in Anxiety Recovery (Episode 145) Feb 20, 2026

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This week we're discussing the relationship between anxiety and self-compassion. Self-compassion is often dismissed as a way to avoid difficult tasks or "whine" about struggles, but it is actually a functional part of the desensitization process.

Drew shares how he originally viewed self-compassion as a weakness that would lead to more avoidance, only to realize that berating himself was not actually an effective motivator. Josh explains how a lack of self-compassion can lead to "re-sensitization" when you turn recovery into a performance you have to perfect.

What We Discuss:

The "No Self-Compassion" Mistake: Why driving yourself with brute force and criticism often backfires
Accepting The Current Version of You: The importance of acknowledging that you are currently afraid or avoidant without berating or rejecting yourself for it.
Self-Compassion vs. Coddling: Distinguishing between being kind to yourself while doing hard things and using "kindness" as an excuse to stay on the sofa.
Navigating Misunderstanding: How to handle friends or family who do not understand anxiety disorders and the importance of validating your own experience instead of waiting for them to do it.

Recovery requires the flexibility to be afraid and move forward simultaneously. Using self-compassion means letting the scared version of yourself into the experiential classroom so you can actually learn the lessons found in acceptance, tolerance, surrender, floating, and exposure!

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Overcoming Anxiety: The Role of Attention (Episode 144) Feb 13, 2026

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This episode of Disordered explores the vital role of attention in anxiety recovery. Josh and Drew discuss the core skill of moving your attention while feeling high levels of fear.

Many people struggling with anxiety disorders feel their attention is glued to symptoms or intrusive thoughts. Josh describes this as "threat-induced attention," which is a survival mechanism where the brain locks onto perceived danger. You always have agency over your attention. Recovery involves building an "attention muscle" to acknowledge the fear and choose a different focus.

Confidence in Attention: Josh shares a personal breakthrough where he felt a massive adrenaline rush on a bus but chose to read a newspaper anyway. This desensitization happened because he trusted his ability to move his attention despite the discomfort.
The "Checking State" Trap: Drew explains that many common calming techniques backfire. If you use them to force anxiety away, you end up hyper-focusing on your internal state to see if they worked. This keeps you trapped in the threat cycle.
Facing the "Bear": Using a metaphor of a bear in a campsite, the hosts explain that looking away from the anxiety tells the brain the emergency is over. Staring at the anxiety only confirms to your nervous system that you are still under threat.
Practical Application: Whether going to the dentist or taking a train, the goal is to move attention toward meaningful tasks rather than internal monitoring.

"The only way to show the brain and the amygdala that this isn't a threat is to show it with our attention... that this isn't important." — Josh

"We cannot operate directly on your anxiety... we can only operate on the way you interact with it." — Drew

Building confidence in your attention is a gradual process rooted in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and Metacognitive Therapy. It requires bravery to look away from the fear to find the path to long-term psychological flexibility.

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The Disordered Community Space (Special Announcement) Feb 10, 2026

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After many months of building and planning, the Disordered Community space is now live. We could not be more pleased about this!

Check out the community space here:

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Why did we do this?

Endless scroll, algorithm-driven, attention focused platforms that only want to monetize your struggle are awful places to support anxious people.
A smaller, more focused, intentional community where we can interact in a meaningful way and foster education, inspiration, and encouragement is actually useful in the real world.
There are way too many anxiety "communities" that make egregious promises to fix you, cure you, lead you to freedom, and make you better - often at a very high cost. That's not how to do that.
We're personally tired of dancing for Meta and Google. It's a huge amount of work to reach a small number of people (even with lots of followers) on platforms that don't really value the topic and the discussions we're having.

We built this space to foster interaction, sharing, cheerleading, and encouragement. We've jammed it full of articles, tips, ideas, podcast episodes, and all the psychoeducational workshops we've produced over the years. All included in the community.

You do NOT have to join the community to get better. This is absolutely optional and we're not going to hide things behind the paywall. Our content will continue to be out here on the Internet at large. But we do think we've made something useful and reasonable and that's where we're gonna be hanging out.

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The Golden Rules of Anxiety Recovery and Desensitization (Episode 143) Feb 06, 2026

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This episode of Disordered examines the fundamental "Golden Rules" of anxiety desensitization. Josh and Drew break down two core principles designed to guide long term desensitization for those struggling with panic disorder, agoraphobia, OCD, and health anxiety. They move away from promising cures or quick fixes, focusing instead on changing the listener's relationship with discomfort.

Rule One: Do what non-anxious you would do while anxious. The guys explain that this involves engaging in life tasks regardless of the presence of fear.
Rule Two: Don’t make anxiety the most important thing in the room. While anxiety is allowed to be present, it should not sit at the top of the decision making tree. Desensitization happens when values and intentions are prioritized over the urge to monitor internal feelings.
Acceptance vs. Control: Josh and Drew discuss the necessity of recognizing that attempts to control or escape anxiety are often ineffective. They advocate for psychological flexibility, where a person learns to be with difficult internal experiences rather than fighting them.
The Power of Agency: The guys emphasize that even in highly sensitized states, individuals retain agency over their attention. They describe how to tolerate physical symptoms without letting those sensations govern behavior.
"Did It Anyway" Stories: The episode features community members who applied these rules during high stakes moments like public speaking or travel. These stories serve to encourage others to face fears that are uncomfortable but not dangerous.

Josh and Drew frame desensitization as a journey requiring patience and persistence rather than a destination reached through "hacks" or secret solutions. This episode provides a practical framework for listeners ready to stop avoiding their feelings and start moving forward.

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How Do We Overcome Worry and Rumination? (Episode 142) Jan 30, 2026

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In this episode of Disordered, guest co-host Kimberley Quinlan joins Drew to pull back the curtain on one of the most persistent hurdles in anxiety recovery: rumination. Whether you call it overthinking, worry, or mental "problem solving," the process is a universal constant across panic disorder, OCD, health anxiety, depression, and other related issues.

We examine why rumination feels like a productive tool when it is actually a mental compulsion designed to avoid the discomfort of uncertainty. Kim and Drew break down the "tax" that rumination imposes on your life, specifically the deep physiological and emotional exhaustion that leaves you without the energy to make the actual changes you want.

What You’ll Learn This Week:

The Process vs. The Content: Why the specific thing you are worried about matters less than the fact that you are stuck in a circular thinking process.

The "What If" Statement: How to recognize that "what if" is a statement of fear, not a question that requires an answer.

Problem Solving vs. Rumination: Identifying the moment thinking stops being an investment and starts becoming a drain.

Beliefs About Worry: Challenging the "positive" beliefs we hold, such as the idea that worrying makes us a better parent or more prepared for disaster.

Attention Control Training: Practical ways to re-engage with the present moment, even when your brain is screaming for certainty.

Recovery is about learning to put the thoughts down and returning to whatever is next in your day. It is hard work, and you might "suck at it" initially, but managing rumination is a skill for life that reduces suffering and brings you back to your own experiences.

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The Truth About Crazy Anxiety Cures (Episode 141) Jan 23, 2026

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In this episode, Drew and Josh discuss the world of anxiety cures and the "miracle" solutions often marketed to those struggling with panic, OCD, and health anxiety. They share personal stories of the various methods they tried during their own recoveries and explain why many popular trends fail to provide long-term relief.

The Magnetism of the Miracle Cure: Why we are drawn to supplements like magnesium or specialized "breathing devices" when we are desperate to feel better.
Control vs. Acceptance: How many anxiety cures are actually just hidden control strategies that prevent true psychological flexibility.
The Reality of "Natural" Supplements: A look at the laxative effects of magnesium and the empty promises of "science-based" miracle powders.
The "Secret" Rituals: Why techniques like EFT tapping or specialized humming might feel helpful in the moment but often reinforce the idea that anxiety is a danger to be managed.
The Risks of "Gurus" and Online Cults: How to identify predatory marketing and why a "lived experience" qualification does not replace professional, evidence-based training.

The guys break down why the search for an external fix often leads to more discouragement. They discuss how true recovery is found in learning to tolerate and be with difficult internal experiences rather than trying to engineer them away with bracelets, essential oils, or "secret" techniques.

If a solution is marketed as a "miracle" or "what nobody tells you," be cautious.
Recovery is an internal process of building distress tolerance, not an external process of finding the right product.
Support people are there to cheer you on through the fear, not to keep you "safe" from a feeling.

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"Temping Fate" In Anxiety Recovery? (Episode 140) Jan 16, 2026

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Have you ever felt anxious about admitting you're doing better? Like saying "I'm okay" out loud might somehow jinx your progress or tempt fate?

In this episode, Drew and Josh explore that uncomfortable feeling when someone asks "How are you doing?" and you're caught between wanting to acknowledge improvement and being afraid that talking about it will make everything fall apart again.

What we discuss:

Why the question "How are you?" can feel triggering when you're recovering from an anxiety disorder
The superstition around "tempting fate" and what's really happening beneath it
How different contexts change what we mean by "doing okay" (spoiler: anxiety can be present while you're still doing okay)
The authenticity trap - feeling like you're lying either way
Why "I'm doing okay at the moment" might be the most honest answer you can give
How this fear shows up in OCD, health anxiety, panic disorder, and agoraphobia
The difference between attention-driven fear and superstitious fear
Why letting go of control can feel like tempting fate (and why that's exactly the practice)

Featured segments:

Community "Did It Anyway" stories highlighting real progress without promising outcomes
Discussion of how exposures work when they feel risky or reckless
Practical suggestions for navigating social questions about your wellbeing

This episode may be helpful for anyone struggling with the fear of acknowledging improvement, or who finds themselves avoiding conversations about their anxiety recovery.

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Anxiety Questions From The Audience (Episode 139) Jan 09, 2026

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In this listener participation episode, Drew and Josh tackle your questions about recovery while celebrating inspiring stories from the community.

Questions explored in this episode:

Why does my anxiety disorder feel like it's protecting me? When you're struggling with OCD, panic disorder, or health anxiety, your threat response can feel like a cult leader in your head—insisting it has your back, showing you "the truth," and making it incredibly risky to walk away. We break down why this happens and what you can do about it.

What about rolling panic attacks? One listener shares their experience of a vacation derailed by cascading panic attacks that wouldn't stop. We explain why panic attacks can roll from one into the next, what fuels this cycle, and how following anxiety's instructions in the moment keeps the wheel turning.

How do I handle competing voices in my head? As you progress in recovery, you may notice different voices—one saying "freak out now" and another saying "wait, let's see what's happening here." We discuss what these voices represent and how to work with them.

Other topics: Managing health anxiety when you're actually sick, dealing with rejection without letting it fuel future anxiety, and why thinking about "what could have been" isn't grief—it's just overthinking.

Did It Anyways from listeners include:

Changing medication brands without obsessing over side effects
Driving four hours alone to a camping trip despite agoraphobia
Sitting through a three-hour movie after a year of avoidance
Grocery shopping while anxious
Sharing romantic feelings despite fear of rejection

Key takeaway: The simplest description of anxiety disorder recovery? Getting really good at leaving it the hell alone. That means resisting the urge to fix, control, or prevent uncomfortable feelings, and instead doing what non-anxious you would do—even while you're feeling scared.

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Anxiety and Not Feeling The "Right" Emotions (Episode 138) Dec 26, 2025

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When you're at your child's birthday party, your wedding day, or on a much-anticipated vacation, do you find yourself feeling anxious instead of joyful—and then getting frustrated with yourself for "not feeling the right way"? In this episode, Drew and Josh explore one of the most common traps in anxiety recovery: judging yourself for having the "wrong" emotions.

You'll hear about how people struggling with panic disorder, agoraphobia, OCD, and other anxiety challenges often add a second layer of suffering by criticizing themselves for not feeling grateful, happy, or calm in moments when they think they "should" be. Josh and Drew discuss how this pattern shows up during holidays, special events, and everyday situations, and why trying to control or optimize your emotions typically backfires.

The conversation covers:

Why "all feelings are welcome" is more than just a nice phrase—it's a practical recovery principle
How fighting against the emotions you're experiencing makes it less likely you'll move through them naturally
The difference between desensitized and sensitized responses to anxiety
Why your brain is a prediction engine, not a reaction machine, and what that says about emotions
How willful tolerance applies even before anxiety shows up
Why comparing yourself to others around you ("they're all relaxed and I'm not") keeps you stuck

You'll also hear inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from listeners who pushed forward despite uncomfortable feelings, including someone who hadn't left their house in days but went to a holiday event anyway, and a new mother who faced her lifelong fear during an emergency C-section.

This episode may be particularly helpful if you're heading into holiday gatherings, family events, or any situation where you're putting pressure on yourself to feel a certain way. The guys remind us that recovery isn't measured by the absence of symptoms—it's measured by your willingness to be with them.

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Anxiety Disorders and the Fear of Insanity (Episode 137) Dec 19, 2025

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One of the most terrifying fears in anxiety disorders is the fear of losing your mind. In this episode, Drew and Josh explore dementophobia - the fear of insanity - and why it's so common among people experiencing panic disorder, OCD, agoraphobia, and health anxiety.

The guys discuss how the brain's threat response can turn inward when it can't find an external danger, creating the believable (but inaccurate) story that you must be going crazy. They explore why symptoms like depersonalization and derealization can fuel this fear, and how the disorder creates a "checking state" where you're constantly scanning for signs of mental deterioration.

In this episode:

Why feeling like you're losing your sanity is such a common fear
How panic and anxiety symptoms can feel like evidence of insanity
The difference between being afraid and being in actual danger
Common compulsions that keep the fear alive (checking, avoiding, reassurance seeking)
Why combat veteran comparisons miss the mark
How experience, not reassurance, changes the brain's predictions
"Did It Anyway" stories of facing fears

Key principle: Your brain only needs to find a believable story - it doesn't have to be accurate. The intensity of your fear only confirms that you're afraid, not that the danger is real.

Remember that while this fear is genuinely terrifying, there is no path from anxious to insane. Recovery involves learning to move through these frightening moments rather than compulsing against them.

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Health Anxiety: The Disordered Guide to Health Anxiety (Episode 136) Dec 12, 2025

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Drew and Josh announce the release of their first co-written book, The Disordered Guide to Health Anxiety, and dive deep into the many faces of health anxiety. From the resource gatherer constantly Googling symptoms to the optimizer obsessing over perfect health metrics, they explore how health anxiety shows up differently for different people - and why it's fundamentally about the anxiety, not the health itself.

You'll hear real stories from listeners navigating health anxiety, including someone who faced their driving fears while expecting a second child, and discussions about the difference between panic disorder's health fixation and health anxiety disorder. Drew and Josh tackle tough questions about managing anxiety while waiting for actual medical test results, explaining why the emotions are justified but the compulsions aren't helpful.

The episode covers the compulsive behaviors that keep health anxiety alive - from fitness watch monitoring to constant symptom checking - and why overcoming health anxiety doesn't mean achieving certainty about your health. It means learning to respond differently when those fears arise. The guys also discuss the role of courage in recovery and why turning your back on health-based compulsions can feel reckless and irresponsible, even when it's the right move.

Whether you're the person who can't stop researching symptoms or the one too terrified to see a doctor, this episode offers a realistic look at what health anxiety actually is and how people move forward with it.

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Anxiety Symptoms: Dizziness & Lightheadedness (Episode 135) Dec 05, 2025

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In this episode of Disordered, the guys delve into the common anxiety symptoms of dizziness and lightheadedness. They share personal experiences, discuss the impact of these symptoms on daily life, and explore coping mechanisms such as interoceptive exposure and mindfulness.

The conversation also highlights community wins, listener questions, and the importance of awareness in managing anxiety. The hosts encourage listeners to challenge their fears and practice being present in their experiences.

Takeaways

Dizziness and lightheadedness are common anxiety symptoms.
The threat response often amplifies feelings of dizziness.
Changing behaviors due to dizziness can reinforce anxiety.
Mindfulness practices can help in recognizing anxiety triggers.
Interoceptive exposure can desensitize the fear of dizziness.
Community support plays a vital role in recovery.
Challenging the narrative of anxiety is crucial for progress.
Practicing being dizzy can reduce fear over time.
Awareness of thoughts and feelings is key to managing anxiety.
It's important to focus on what matters most in life.

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Agoraphobia & Fear of Open Spaces (Episode 134) Nov 28, 2025

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Agoraphobia. Is it fear of open spaces? Do people with agoraphobia always fear open spaces? What even is agoraphobia and how to I overcome it?

This week we're looking at the complexities of agoraphobia, exploring its definitions, connections to panic disorder, and the fear of open spaces. We're sharing some personal experiences and insights on how navigate through these challenges, emphasizing the importance of exposure therapy (what a surprise) and understanding that specific triggers mostly don't matter.

We also include a few great did-it-anyways, including flying with an anxiety disorder, a primary fear for many struggling with agoraphobia.

Takeaways

Agoraphobia is the fear of losing control outside of a safe zone.
Many agoraphobics plan their lives around safe zones.
Distance does not equate to increased anxiety; it's about perception.
For some, wide open spaces can trigger feelings of anxiety and fear
Hypervigilance makes it difficult to cope in unfamiliar environments.
Exposure therapy is essential for overcoming agoraphobia.
Specific triggers (like open spaces) are largely irrelevant in the recovery equation.
Anxiety can distort perceptions of safety and control.

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Doing It Anyway - While Hurting And Challenged (Episode 133) Nov 14, 2025

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Sometimes life throws real challenges at you. Medical issues. Loss. Uncertainty. The kind of stuff that makes anxiety feel completely justified. So how do you move forward when you're genuinely scared AND dealing with actual difficult circumstances?

In this episode, we share some of the most powerful "did it anyway" stories we've ever received. From someone facing serious health challenges to a marathon runner dealing with panic attacks, these listeners show us what it really means to engage with life even when things are legitimately hard.

We talk about why waiting to "fix yourself" before living your life doesn't work, how to handle the reality that feelings don't always indicate actual danger, and what it means to let both the good and difficult parts of life exist at the same time. You don’t have to be fearless. But you can do what matters even while you're afraid.

If you're struggling with the gap between how you feel and what you want to do with your life, this episode might help you see that moving forward is possible, even when it feels impossible.

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Anxious About Feeling ... Calm? (Episode 132) Nov 07, 2025

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Panicogenic Relaxation: Why You Feel Anxious When Feeling Calm

You're finally feeling better. The anxiety has lifted. You're relaxed and calm for the first time in months or even years. So why does that feel so weird? And why are you suddenly anxious about feeling calm?

In this episode, Drew and Josh explore "panicogenic relaxation". This is a common experience in anxiety disorder recovery where feeling normal, neutral, or relaxed can trigger concern or even high anxiety and panic. When you've been anxious for so long, that heightened state becomes your predictable default. The absence of anxiety can feel unfamiliar, strange, or even threatening.

In this episode, we discuss:

Why feeling calm or relaxed can feel uncomfortable or even scary during recovery
How your brain's scanning mechanisms continue even when you're no longer anxious
Why anxiety becomes a "predictable pillar" after long periods of struggle
The importance of practicing being relaxed, not just practicing being anxious
How the shock-attention-resistance cycle continues even when you're feeling better
Why all emotional states - including calm - need to be permissible
How to recognize when you're still checking and monitoring even during neutral states

We also share inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from the community, including someone who kept pushing through fatigue to go to new places, and another who took their first step away from 13 years of self-medication.

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Anxiety Recovery - Learning To Believe In Yourself Again (Episode 131) Oct 31, 2025

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When anxiety and its relentless inner critic take hold, one of the most profound losses is the belief and trust in your own capability. In this episode, Drew and Josh explore how to rebuild self-trust after anxiety disorders erode your confidence in handling life's challenges.

The conversation centers on stories from listeners who confronted their worst-case scenarios—from emergency medical situations while struggling with agoraphobia and panic disorder, to managing health anxiety during actual illness, to facing feared social situations despite OCD. Each story illustrates a crucial truth: the anticipation is almost always worse than the actual experience, and we're far more capable than anxiety tells us we are.

The guys discuss why simply deciding to believe in yourself doesn't work, and what actually does: the unglamorous, minute-by-minute work of doing the scary things anyway. They examine how anxiety functions like a conspiracy theory about yourself, predicting catastrophic outcomes that rarely materialize. The hosts also explore how well-meaning but misguided advice to avoid difficult situations or regulate away uncomfortable feelings can actually undermine self-belief rather than restore it.

This episode emphasizes that rebuilding confidence isn't about making anxiety disappear—it's about discovering through lived experience that you can handle difficult emotions, uncomfortable sensations, and challenging situations. The path back to self-belief requires compassion, patience, and a willingness to challenge the loud but ultimately unreliable predictions of fear and doubt.

Grounded in acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT) and mindfulness-based approaches, this conversation offers a realistic, evidence-based perspective on recovery that honors both the difficulty of the journey and the resilience we all possess.

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Craig The Critic (Episode 130) Oct 17, 2025

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In this episode, Drew and Josh explore the powerful role of the internal critic—affectionately named "Craig"—in maintaining anxiety disorders and interfering with recovery. They discuss how this nagging inner voice criticizes, questions, and doubts us, often telling us we're doing things wrong or that we'll never be who we hope to be.

Let's examine where Craig the Critic comes from, including family dynamics, conditional affection, societal pressures, and social media comparisons. The episode explains how this critical voice drives us toward impossible standards and fuels the "should" statements that keep us stuck: "You should be feeling this," "You should be better by now," or "You should be like everyone else."

The guys discuss how Craig the Critic shows up across different anxiety presentations—from OCD to agoraphobia to panic disorder—and how this voice can block the learning that happens during exposure work. They explore how the internal critic constantly demands we fix, control, and change our anxiety rather than learning to respond differently to it.

A key theme in this episode is compassion as the antidote to self-criticism, how moving toward what matters to us—guided by our values rather than Craig's demands—helps us break free from the cycle of criticism and avoidance. We're also tackling the common misconception that we need harsh self-criticism to keep us in check, when in reality, it often keeps us trapped in disordered patterns.

The episode features inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from listeners who faced their fears despite Craig's objections, including someone starting a new job, another taking their children on challenging outings, and a future firefighter who completed a demanding physical fitness test while experiencing panic symptoms.

Topics Covered:

Understanding the internal critic and where it originates
How self-criticism maintains anxiety disorders
The difference between helpful self-evaluation and destructive criticism
Why comparing yourself to your "pre-anxious" self backfires
The role of compassion in anxiety recovery
How Craig the Critic interferes with exposure work and learning
Practical ways to recognize and respond differently to the critical voice

This episode may be particularly helpful for those who struggle with perfectionism, harsh self-judgment, or feeling like they're failing at recovery.

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Anxiety Symptoms - AIR HUNGER (Episode 129) Oct 10, 2025

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In this episode of Disordered, Drew and Josh tackle one of the most frightening anxiety symptoms: air hunger - that terrifying feeling that you can't get a deep enough breath or fully fill your lungs.

Drew and Josh draw from both their clinical expertise and personal recovery experiences to explain why this sensation happens, why trying to "fix" your breathing often makes things worse, and how the compulsive need to control your breath can actually create the problem you're trying to solve.

They explore how air hunger connects to stress, anxiety disorders, and OCD, discussing why breathing techniques and breath work - while potentially helpful for general stress - can become problematic compulsions when you're dealing with disordered anxiety. The hosts emphasize a key principle: there's a critical difference between feeling like you can't breathe and actually not being able to breathe.

The episode includes inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from listeners who faced their fears - from pushing through panic during a music gig, to driving 40 minutes despite intense anxiety, to confronting her OCD fears, and a transformation from being unable to stay in a room alone to enjoying solo time at home.

Drew and Josh offer practical guidance rooted in acceptance-based approaches: get out of your own way, let your body regulate itself naturally, and resist the urge to constantly check, control, or perfect your breathing. As they remind listeners, your body has successfully kept you breathing your entire life - it doesn't need micromanagement now.

Topics covered:

What air hunger is and why it happens
The connection between stress, anxiety, and breathing sensations
Why breathing techniques can become compulsions
The role of interoceptive exposure in treatment
How to respond when you notice air hunger (hint: not by trying to control it)
Why sleep proves your body knows how to breathe on its own

Whether you're experiencing air hunger yourself or supporting someone who is, this episode offers a compassionate, reality-based approach to one of anxiety's most unsettling symptoms.

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How Long Does De-Sensitization Take? (Episode 128) Oct 03, 2025

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One of the most common questions we hear from people working through anxiety disorders and OCD is: "How long is this going to take?" In this episode, Drew and Josh tackle the timeline question head-on—but probably not in the way you're expecting.

We explore why asking "how long until I recover?" might be the wrong question, and why shifting to "how long until I'm desensitized?" can be a game-changer in how you approach your anxiety journey. We discuss the reality that there's no universal timeline, no magic number of weeks, and why that's actually okay.

In this episode:

Why the concept of "recovery" as a finish line may not be helpful for anxiety disorders
The difference between recovery and desensitization
How urgency and pressure can actually slow your progress
Why some people seem to progress faster than others (and why that doesn't matter)
The role of self-compassion, patience, and realistic expectations
Why hard days are a normal part of the process—even after significant progress
How perfectionism and the need for certainty can keep you stuck

We also share inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from listeners who are moving forward with their lives—traveling, attending events, and even jumping into mosh pits—alongside their anxiety, not waiting for it to disappear first.

Whether you're struggling with panic disorder, agoraphobia, OCD, health anxiety, or other anxiety disorders, this episode offers a realistic, compassionate perspective on what it means to make progress and why the journey looks different for everyone.

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"Anxiety Recovery OCD?" (Episode 127) Sep 25, 2025

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Can your focus on getting better actually make things worse? In this episode, we explore what happens when the recovery process itself becomes an obsession - coining the term "Recovery OCD" to describe the fixation many people develop around their anxiety recovery journey.

We dig into the counterintuitive reality that constantly checking "Am I recovered yet?" or "Am I doing this right?" can actually signal to your brain that anxiety is still something urgent and important to monitor. When recovery becomes the thing you're obsessing about, complete with checking behaviors, rumination, and compulsive information-seeking, you may have fallen into this particular trap.

What we cover:

The obsessive-compulsive patterns that can emerge around recovery
Why asking "Am I recovered?" might mean you've answered your own question
How metrics and comparisons can feed the recovery obsession
The difference between recovery as a state versus recovery as function
Why uncertainty tolerance is the real skill being developed
Practical ways to recognize when you've become obsessed with recovery itself

Key insights:

Recovery isn't about reaching a perfect state - it's about building distress tolerance skills
The more you fixate on recovery, the more you're teaching your brain that anxiety matters
Real progress often looks boring and unmeasurable
Sometimes the question "Am I recovered?" isn't the right question to ask

We also share inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from listeners who demonstrate what it really looks like to move forward while uncertain, anxious, and imperfect - including someone who performed on stage despite a massive adrenaline flood and another who went to a Pokemon card convention while experiencing depersonalization.

This episode challenges common assumptions about what recovery should look and feel like, offering a more realistic and sustainable approach to anxiety recovery that doesn't require constant self-monitoring or perfect emotional states.

The content in this episode aligns with evidence-based, third-wave therapeutic approaches including Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and mindfulness-based treatments for anxiety disorders.

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When The News Triggers Anxiety (Episode 126) Sep 19, 2025

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How do you handle anxiety when the news feels overwhelming?

With constant exposure to current events, political tensions, and global crises through social media and traditional news sources, it's no wonder many people with anxiety disorders find themselves struggling.

This week on Disordered we're talking about the complex relationship between news consumption and anxiety, discussing when avoidance might be helpful versus when it could be problematic. You'll hear about the difference between primary anxiety (normal human responses to disturbing events) and secondary anxiety (fear of your own internal experiences).

Key topics covered:

Why we weren't designed for constant exposure to triggering content
The nuanced difference between protecting your mental health and avoidance behaviors
How news consumption can trigger OCD themes and intrusive thoughts
The importance of metacognitive awareness in making decisions about news consumption
Compassion fatigue and the reality of having finite emotional resources
Practical strategies for finding balance in staying informed vs. protecting your wellbeing

Listener highlights:

A powerful "Did It Anyway" story about overcoming religious scrupulosity OCD
Another inspiring update about relationship OCD recovery
A thoughtful question about wedding anxiety and planning major life events while managing panic disorder

Whether you're someone who doom-scrolls for hours or completely avoids the news, this episode offers a balanced, reality-based approach to navigating current events without letting anxiety make the decisions for you. We emphasize that there's no one-size-fits-all answer – it's about developing the awareness to know why you're making the choices you're making.

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Did It Anyway - Volume 4 (Episode 125) Sep 12, 2025

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Welcome to another inspiring round of "Did It Anyway" stories, where we celebrate real wins from our community members who chose to move forward despite their anxiety.

In this episode, Drew and Josh share powerful listener stories that illustrate a fundamental truth about anxiety recovery: you can take meaningful action even when you feel scared, uncertain, or overwhelmed. From someone driving to the gym after a panic attack at work, to a listener climbing a boulder wall despite intense fear, to another person attending a job interview while experiencing physical symptoms - these stories show what's possible when we stop waiting for anxiety to disappear before we live our lives.

You'll hear about:

Breaking the pattern of retreating when anxiety shows up
Navigating workplace anxiety while still showing up professionally
Taking on new challenges like rock climbing and learning musical instruments
Attending job interviews despite panic symptoms
Managing health anxiety during an actual medical situation
The difference between an "acceptable bubble" and true recovery

These aren't stories of people who suddenly felt better - they're accounts of individuals who learned they could be capable and engaged with their lives even when anxiety was present. Each story demonstrates core principles from acceptance-based approaches: willful tolerance of difficult emotions, psychological flexibility, and values-driven action.

Whether you're just starting your recovery journey or you've been working on anxiety for years, these real-world examples offer hope and practical inspiration. They remind us that recovery isn't about eliminating anxiety - it's about reclaiming your ability to do what matters to you, regardless of how you feel in the moment.

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Anxiety and Mental Health Misinformation w/Dr. Birthe Macdonald (Episode 124) Sep 05, 2025

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In this essential episode, Drew and Josh are joined by Dr. Birthe Macdonald, a psychologist and neuroscience researcher who's become a vital voice in combating mental health misinformation on social media. The conversation tackles the overwhelming sea of questionable advice that anxious people encounter online, from vagus nerve stimulation devices to "nervous system regulation" quick fixes.

Dr. Macdonald shares her journey from neuroscience researcher to science communicator, sparked by sponsored ads for electrical vagus nerve stimulators that made bold claims without solid evidence. The trio explores why these pseudoscientific approaches are particularly appealing to people struggling with anxiety disorders – and why they can actually be harmful.

Key topics include:

The dangerous appeal of "one thing" solutions that promise instant relief
Why sponsored vagus nerve stimulation devices and similar products exploit vulnerable people
How social media algorithms amplify misinformation while evidence-based content gets overlooked
Red flags to watch for when consuming mental health content online
The difference between what we know about how the brain works versus being able to "work" the brain directly
Why ChatGPT and AI can become problematic reassurance-seeking tools for people with anxiety
How to become a more critical consumer of pop psychology content

The conversation doesn't dismiss that some techniques may provide temporary relief, but emphasizes understanding why they work (often through distraction rather than magical nervous system manipulation) and recognizing when they become compulsive behaviors that maintain anxiety in the long run.

This episode serves as both a reality check and a guide for navigating the complex landscape of mental health information online, helping listeners distinguish between evidence-based approaches and appealing but potentially harmful quick fixes.

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Anxiety Recovery: Semantics and Choosing Words Wisely (Episode 123) Aug 29, 2025

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In this episode, we explore how the language we use to describe our anxiety experiences can either fuel our struggles or support our recovery. We examine the difference between helpful and unhelpful ways of talking about panic attacks, intrusive thoughts, and anxiety symptoms.

We discuss why saying "it feels like I'm dying" versus "I'm experiencing intense physical sensations" can dramatically impact your recovery journey. We challenge common phrases like "sit with it," "just ignore it," and "regulate yourself," offering more accurate and useful alternatives.

We also address the importance of changing how others around you talk about your anxiety, and we introduce a memorable analogy: treating your anxiety disorder like an ex you're pretending to ignore at a party - acknowledging it's there without giving it center stage.

This episode features inspiring "Did it Anyway" stories from listeners who did what they didn't think they were cable of doing, along with the usual dose of humor.

We conclude with practical advice for responding to tinnitus-related anxiety, emphasizing how attention and resistance amplify symptoms, while acceptance allows the brain's natural filtering system to work.

Timestamps:

08:30 - Why "it feels like" is the most problematic phrase in anxiety recovery
16:45 - The difference between "soul-crushing panic attack" and "intense adrenaline rush"
23:45 - How compulsive commentary differs from detached awareness
28:15 - Why saying "just sit with it" can be misleading
32:20 - The "anxiety as your ex" analogy that will change how you think about ignoring symptoms
37:15 - Inspiring "Did it Anyway" story about grandparent anxiety recovery
38:45 - Comprehensive tinnitus and anxiety management advice

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Have You Learned How To Panic Yet? (Episode 122) Aug 22, 2025

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In this episode, Josh and Drew tackle one of the most counterintuitive concepts in overcoming panic attacks: learning how to panic better, rather than trying to avoid panic altogether.

When facing a new job triggers familiar panic patterns, many people focus on preventing anxiety rather than developing a healthier relationship with it. Drew and Josh explore why "learning how to panic" is often the key to breaking free from panic disorder and agoraphobia.

Josh and Drew discuss the difference between panic attacks (the physical experience) and panic disorder (how we modify our lives to avoid those attacks). They challenge the common belief that panic attacks are disasters that must be prevented at all costs, instead suggesting that true recovery comes from accepting that panic might happen—and discovering that we can handle it.

Why avoiding panic attacks keeps you stuck in the cycle
The difference between learning "how to not panic" vs. "how to panic"
Setting the right intention before challenging situations
How catastrophic thinking creates unrealistic disaster scenarios
The role of willful tolerance in anxiety recovery
Addressing deeper fears about judgment and rejection at work

[03:45] - Josh and Drew introduce the concept: "This isn't about learning how to not panic. This is about getting better at panicking."

[11:30] - Drew challenges the core belief: "What would happen if I was wrong about that? What would happen if I'm wrong and I can actually handle having a panic attack at work?"

[18:30] - Josh on setting intentions: "I'm going to go and do this thing and see how well I can do whilst panicking."

[25:00] - Community win featuring someone who practiced "doing it anyway" during difficult existential thoughts

[30:10] - Success story: Concert attendance despite anxiety, demonstrating attention redirection techniques

[33:50] - Driving breakthrough story: Overcoming agoraphobia through gradual exposure and value-based action

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Forgiving Yourself In Anxiety Recovery (Episode 121) Aug 15, 2025

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When you're struggling with anxiety disorders, you often do things that don't reflect who you really are - avoiding social gatherings, canceling plans, or making demands on loved ones that you normally wouldn't. As you start to recover, it's common to feel overwhelming guilt about how your anxiety affected the people around you.

In this episode, Drew and Josh explore the complex journey of self-forgiveness after anxiety recovery. They discuss why anxiety disorders can make people appear self-centered while emphasizing that the disorder isn't who you are as a person.

Understanding that anxiety disorders are incredibly common and not your fault
Why trying to achieve absolute certainty that you didn't hurt others keeps you stuck
The difference between healthy regret and destructive self-criticism
How to practice willful tolerance of difficult feelings like guilt and shame
Why some people need to apologize while others don't - there's no universal approach
Recognizing that feeling bad about past actions reflects your values, not your failures

[2:45] The Reality of Anxiety's Impact: Drew and Josh discuss how anxiety disorders make people do things against their nature and why this creates lasting guilt.

[6:50] You're Not Responsible for Having a Disorder: "We'd have to rent the city of Denver to fit all the people with panic disorder" - Drew explains why anxiety disorders are common medical conditions, not personal failures.

[12:15] The Impossible Standard: Why seeking absolute certainty that you never disappointed anyone is both unrealistic and counterproductive to healing.

[14:30] Drew's Personal Story: A vulnerable moment where Drew shares his ongoing regret about not visiting a dying friend, and why he doesn't want to "get over" this feeling completely.

[17:45] The Meta Problem: How the same tendency that creates anxiety disorders can turn against you when processing guilt about the past.

[27:40] Josh's Compassionate Reframe: "Would you rather be someone who doesn't feel bad when they act against their values?" - A powerful perspective on why guilt reflects your moral compass.

This episode offers practical wisdom for anyone struggling with self-forgiveness while maintaining the hosts' signature balance of professional expertise and lived experience. Drew and Josh remind us that healing often means learning to sit with difficult feelings rather than trying to eliminate them entirely.

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Anxiety and the Death of Curiosity (Episode 120) Aug 08, 2025

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When anxiety takes hold, one of the first casualties is our natural sense of wonder and openness to new experiences. In this episode of Disordered, lets explore how anxiety disorders systematically erode our curiosity about the world around us and our own capabilities.

Drew and Josh discuss how anxiety creates a rigid, self-focused mindset that asks only "How will this make me feel?" rather than "What might I discover?" They examine how this shift from external curiosity to internal fixation becomes a prison that keeps us stuck in patterns of avoidance and safety-seeking behaviors.

The hosts share practical strategies for rekindling curiosity as a pathway back to psychological flexibility, including:

Asking "What would happen if..." instead of avoiding uncertainty
Practicing willful tolerance while fostering genuine interest in experiences
Using curiosity about the recovery process itself as a therapeutic tool
Distinguishing between helpful curiosity and anxious rumination

Through inspiring listener stories, Drew and Josh demonstrate how curiosity can be gradually rebuilt, even during heightened anxiety states. They show how simple questions like "What just happened here?" and "What might I learn from this?" can begin to crack open the rigid thinking patterns that keep anxiety disorders alive.

This episode offers hope that the natural human capacity for wonder and exploration doesn't disappear with anxiety—it simply needs gentle cultivation and practice to flourish again.

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Processing ... Or Anxious Thinking? (Episode 119) Aug 01, 2025

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When something shocking or difficult happens, we're often told we need to "process" our emotions. But what if that endless loop of replaying events in your mind isn't actually processing at all? In this episode, Drew and Josh explore the crucial difference between healthy emotional processing and anxious rumination that keeps us stuck.

How to distinguish between genuine emotional processing and OCD/GAD-style rumination
Why that "urgent" feeling to think through something repeatedly might be a red flag
The difference between being with your feelings versus chasing a particular feeling
Why real processing can't be forced or scheduled on demand
How to recognize when your mind is "hunting for problems to solve"

Processing vs. Ruminating: Real processing involves experiencing emotions from multiple perspectives and naturally leads somewhere. Anxious thinking loops from a single anxious viewpoint, chasing certainty or relief that never comes.

The Mirage Effect: Like chasing an oasis in the desert, compulsive thinking promises relief that always stays just out of reach.

Beyond the Urgent: If thinking through something feels urgent or mandatory right now, it's likely anxiety rather than processing.

Community Contributions In This Episode:

Dental Victory (15:50): A listener shares how she conquered dental anxiety and gave herself full credit for the win
Double Challenge (29:15): Managing husband's travel anxiety while attending a family party - and having a panic attack but staying anyway
Panic Attack Breakthrough (32:30): Learning to let panic attacks run their course instead of fleeing to safety

Timestamps

02:00 - Listener question: When does processing become anxious looping?
05:20 - Josh explains the mechanics of OCD triggers after shocking events
09:15 - Drew on narrative therapy and finding meaning versus chasing feelings
13:00 - The misuse of "doing mode" - when thinking becomes a compulsion
18:30 - Why Craig the Critic might tell you to keep "processing"
21:00 - Josh's personal example of organic grief processing
26:10 - Signs of unprocessed emotions versus anxious rumination
27:30 - Why urgency is often a sign it's anxiety, not processing

True emotional processing happens organically and involves being with difficult feelings without trying to fix them. When "processing" feels urgent, repetitive, or like chasing relief, it's likely anxious thinking in disguise. The goal isn't to process everything immediately, but to allow natural emotional experiences while living your life.

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Healing in Anxiety Disorders (Episode 118) Jul 25, 2025

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In this episode of Disordered, the guys tackle one of the most misunderstood concepts in anxiety recovery: healing. Sparked by a listener question about balancing relationships with anxiety recovery work, the hosts dive deep into what healing anxiety really means - and what it doesn't.

The Problem with "Healing" Language

Drew and Josh explore how the word "healing" can be problematic in anxiety recovery, often implying that people are broken and need fixing. They discuss how healing anxiety culture can keep people trapped in endless cycles of inward focus and compulsive self-improvement.

Real vs. Imaginary Healing

There is a difference between meaningful healing (like processing grief or trauma) versus the endless pursuit of healing anxiety symptoms. They emphasize that anxiety disorders often require learning and skill development rather than traditional healing approaches.

Living vs. Healing

A central theme emerges: in anxiety recovery, we don't heal to live - we live to heal. The hosts challenge the notion that extensive inner work must precede living your life, suggesting that engaging in meaningful activities IS the recovery process.

Timestamps:

4:30 - Why no one gets to define healing for you

8:00 - The "resource gathering" compulsion trap

13:40 - How healing language can keep you stuck

16:00 - The dangers of AI-driven anxiety advice

21:40 - When healing actually makes sense in therapy

26:30 - Why being "already healed" might be the answer

29:00 - The never-ending healing journey problem

33:00 - Self-development vs. living your life

The hosts suggest that many people struggling with anxiety may already be "healed" - they're simply learning to navigate life without anxiety being center stage. Rather than endless healing pursuits, recovery often involves doing less inner work and more actual living. The episode challenges popular wellness narratives while maintaining hope for genuine recovery through practical, reality-based approaches.

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Getting Out Of An Anxious Head (Episode 117) Jul 11, 2025

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Ever feel trapped in cycles of rumination, overthinking, and constant mental chatter about your anxiety? In this episode, Drew and Josh tackle the challenging question of how to "get out of your own head" without turning it into another exhausting battle.

Starting with a thoughtful question from a listener who has built an impressive life despite ongoing anxiety and DPDR but still struggles with constant internal focus, the hosts explore why simply trying to stop thinking doesn't work and what actually does.

Key topics covered include:

Why "getting out of your head" doesn't mean eliminating anxious thoughts
The difference between coexisting with thoughts versus fighting them
How to make anxiety the "least interesting thing in the room"
Understanding when overthinking becomes a compulsion rather than helpful problem-solving
Practical strategies for redirecting attention while allowing difficult feelings
The role of willful tolerance in breaking rumination cycles

The episode features inspiring "did it anyway" stories from listeners conquering agoraphobia with solo travel and managing postpartum OCD intrusive thoughts during daily caregiving tasks.

Drew and Josh also address the tricky balance between attention redirection techniques and emotional avoidance, offering guidance for those working with metacognitive therapy approaches.

Key Timestamps:

[02:30] - Listener question about staying out of your own head

[07:30] - Josh's detailed narrative of what being "in your head" actually sounds like

[12:50] - Making anxiety the least interesting thing in the room

[15:50] - The attention "flashlight" metaphor and experimentation approach

[17:00] - Josh's YouTube banner analogy for intrusive thoughts

[18:40] - Addressing GAD and the belief that thinking is always helpful

[25:00] - Powerful "did it anyway" story about postpartum OCD

[29:00] - The role of distraction and attention flexibility

[33:40] - Listener question about balancing allowing feelings vs. attention redirection

This episode emphasizes that recovery isn't about achieving a thought-free mind, but rather developing a healthier relationship with your internal experience while engaging meaningfully with your life.---

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Anxiety and The Illusion of Control (Episode 116) Jul 04, 2025

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What If I Want To Control My Anxiety Holistically?

In this episode, Drew and Josh examine tension between wanting to control anxiety through holistic approaches and recognizing when that desire for control becomes part of the problem itself.

Key Topics Discussed:

The difference between actual control and the illusion of control
How the wellness and self-optimization industry can exploit anxiety sufferers
Why treating anxiety as a threat teaches your brain to keep the alarm system activated
The gray area between healthy self-care and anxiety-driven fixing behaviors
How to recognize when "wellness" strategies become safety behaviors

Important Timestamps:

00:00 - A listener from Switzerland asks about holistic control strategies and when it feels like she can control things

02:30 - Introduction to the control illusion concept

04:20 - Drew explains the critical difference between knowing and controlling

5:45 - Josh's "why" question - examining motivations behind wellness pursuits

8:15- How your threat response learns from your control behaviors

11:45- Personal stories: Josh's magnesium bath experience and Drew's supplement journey

14:30 - The meditation paradox - using mindfulness as exposure vs. control

16:00- Drew's mini-rant about the billion-dollar wellness industry

21:15 - Did It Anyway: A listener's birthday triumph (train, crowds, and dating)

22:30- The Dr. Oz example of entertainment vs. medicine

31:45- The compatibility question: Can you pursue both control and acceptance?

35:00- Josh's "willful tolerance" exercise

39:00 - Did It Anyway: A listener conquers their emetophobia podcast fear

41:00 - First official announcement of the upcoming "Disordered Guide to Health Anxiety" book

Key Takeaways

The episode emphasizes that while basic wellness practices may be helpful, using them as anxiety control strategies often backfires. True recovery involves learning to be with difficult feelings rather than trying to eliminate them. The hosts stress the importance of asking "why" you're pursuing any wellness intervention - is it for general health or to avoid anxiety?

This episode offers practical guidance on distinguishing between healthy self-care and anxiety-driven control behaviors, helping listeners navigate the complex world of wellness marketing while staying focused on genuine recovery principles.

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Anxiety Recovery - Am I Doing Too Much (Episode 115) Jun 27, 2025

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Am I Doing Too Much Recovery/Exposure?

This week Drew and Josh tackle a common question in anxiety recovery: "Am I pushing myself too hard with exposures?" The guys explore the nuanced balance between challenging yourself and recognizing when you might genuinely need rest.

In this episode:

How to distinguish between being genuinely depleted versus being scared
Why feeling anxious after successful exposures doesn't mean you've done "too much"
The difference between active, reasoned decisions to rest and anxiety-driven avoidance
Special considerations for people with OCD and chronic health conditions
How to balance recovery work with other life priorities like family time

Featured listener stories:

Nicole shares her experience flying to Munich for a Champions League game and wondering if she's overdoing exposures
Tyler's victory over health anxiety by choosing the gym over Google searches
Matt's success working an 8-hour shift without his "safety person"
Chris's inspiring story of dating while tapering off medication

While you can't actually "break" your recovery by doing too much, it's important to allocate your resources wisely and remember that feeling scared doesn't mean you've made a mistake - it means you're doing exactly what recovery requires.

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Listener Questions About Anxiety & Recovery (Episode 114) Jun 20, 2025

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This week Drew and Josh are answering questions from listeners. Questions addressed in this episode include:

Is it "normal" to feel a letdown after completing and big successful exposure/challenge?
What work can we do to address the fawn response?
Isn't a panic attack a medical emergency? How can it possibly be safe to experience panic?!
Staying off social media is good for mental health, right? But is that anxiety avoidance?
How can I learn how to NOT tense my body? It's such a habit now!

We're also hearing from inspiring "Did It Anyways" and inserting the usual doses of humor and compassion as we address anxiety and anxiety disorders.

Thanks to the entire Disordered listening community for sending in questions, wins, and for supporting our work. We appreciate you!

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Death Anxiety w/Professor David Veale (Episode 113) Jun 13, 2025

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Death anxiety - an obsessive fixation on death, dying and existence driven by intense fear of the inevitability of death - is a very common experience for listeners of Disordered.

This week Josh and Drew were lucky enough to have a chat with Professor David Veale, one of the leading authorities in in the UK on the topic of death anxiety and mental health issues related to death and existence. David helped spread some light and some much-needed humor on this topic that might help you change the way you approach your death-focused anxiety and fear.

The highlights:

Death is in fact an un-solvable problem. This creates discomfort for all humans, and fear is some kind for most humans. That is also unavoidable. Being uncomfortable with death is part of living. Approaching death anxiety means coming to grips with this reality.

We can all experience discomfort around the idea of death because it really is an important topic, however importance and urgency are not the same things. Please keep this in mind. Death might be important, but that does not make it a topic you need to tend to immediately as if it is a current emergency.

Compulsively searching for answers or solutions when it comes to death is a pointless exercise that just makes things worse than they have to be.

Overcoming death anxiety is an exercise is doing what we can do to prepare for death (writing wills, making funeral arrangements, talking about our feelings, etc.), then bring our discomfort or fear with us as we do our best to return to living the best life we can while we have it!

If you are struggling with death anxiety, this episode is worth a listen.

For more on Professor David Veale visit his website:

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Find David’s book about death anxiety (co-authored with Rachel Menzies):

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Rumination ... Or Reflection? (Episode 112) Jun 06, 2025

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What's the difference between rumination and reflection? Ruminators, worriers, and over thinkers often struggle to recognize the useful limits of thinking. They can become unsure when they are engaging in helpful reflection or problem solving .... and when they are ruminating and worrying with no good outcomes and often actual negative outcomes.

This week on Disordered Drew and Josh are digging in to the difference between rumination and reflection. Reflection is good. Rumination ... not so much. How can you tell the difference? Can you always tell the difference? Isn't thinking ALWAYS good because it solves problems? Why are your friends and loved ones looking at you sideways when you insist that worrying and thinking is a good move and they see you getting more and more agitated and anxious the more you think?

These questions and more on episode 112 of Disordered, so tune in.

Oh, and we also have a new sound effect this week. We're super pleased with that. 😂

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If Its Anxiety .... It MUST Be Trauma! (Episode 111) May 30, 2025

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This week on Disordered we're discussing the all too common narrative in wellness circles that demands that we ascribe all anxiety or suffering of any kind to unhealed or unprocessed trauma. And while its certainly a good thing that we are more concerned with life experiences than structural defects now, this narrative can be unhelpful or even harmful in the context of anxiety disorders.

All humans experiences crises. Some of those crises remain unresolved and create trauma. In some of those cases that trauma appears as functional impairment long after the traumatizing experiences are over. Some anxious people struggle with this. BUT NOT ALL. It's not automatic. The word "some" is the most important word in this discussion.

When there is trauma in the mix - and not all difficult things in life need to be called trauma - that makes anxiety recovery more layered and even more tricky in some cases, but it doesn't make things impossible. And when there is no lasting functional impact due to "trauma", insisting that anxiety disorders are an unhealed / unprocessed pain problem is a really bad strategy.

Whatever your experiences in life with crisis, trauma, or anxiety may be, this episode is worth a listen.

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Anxiety Recovery: Worse Before Better - Part II (Episode 110) May 23, 2025

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"Help! I started doing exposures and trying to accept my anxiety and its getting worse!"

This is a very common experience in anxiety disorder recovery. Its been spoken about at great length in the community surrounding the Disordered podcast. This week we're tackling the "worse before better" issue.

When you stop running, hiding, avoiding, escaping, distracting, and otherwise drowning out your anxious thoughts, fears, and sensations, you will find yourself in a situation where you feel them more fully. This is natural, normal, to be expected, and part of the recovery process as designed. However, it can be easy for many reasons to interpret this as things getting "worse".

Tune in to this episode as the guys are talking about how this interpretation is created, why feeling more does not equal getting worse, and how fully experiencing the things that disturb and bother us is a required part of the recovery equation.

If you're adopting acceptance, tolerance, or non-resistance and feel like this is "making you worse", this episode is for you.

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My Anxiety Makes Me Frustrated / Angry / Sad / Guilty! (Episode 109) May 16, 2025

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When we struggle with chronic or disordered anxiety, we regularly experience powerful emotions that tend to look like fear or tension. We may experience intense feelings of being vulnerable, or doomed. We talk about these things all the time.

But what about when you have emotions about having those emotions? Struggling to overcome an anxiety problem that is creating disruption in your life is going to trigger actual emotions beyond just fear.

Many feel:

Frustrated - because they can't seem to get better fast enough or make steady progress
Angry - because they feel stuck in the anxiety loop
Guilty - because anxiety is keeping them from living the life they want to live
Sad - for the time they may have lost to anxiety

This is just a partial list. The emotions that come along with the struggle are real, valid, and must be acknowledged and addressed. Expressing them is important! This week Josh and Drew are talking about these often confusing and hard to handle emotions.

Have a listen. The conversation touches on the validity of all emotions, learning to be OK with all states of your humanity, why doing hard things is going to bring other parts of your life into the process, and how declaring catastrophe over how you're feeling NOW is a trap.

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Anxiety, ChatGPT, AI, Reddit ... and Dr. Google (Episode 108) May 09, 2025

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"Hey ChatGPT. Please tell me how I'll know if I'm accepting my anxiety or avoiding it."

"Hey ChatGPT. When I get anxious my vision gets weird. Can anxiety do that? "

"Hello Reddit. Does anyone else feel like ...."

The guys are back after a short break to talk about the use of ChatGPT, AI, Reddit, Google, and the Internet in general in the context of anxiety and mental health issues.

There's no doubt that large language models - software that aggregates extremely large amounts of information found on the Internet and in libraries and huge databases - are here to stay. But while AI bots and engines like ChatGPT are sometimes quite impressive and can even present themselves as human, we do have to be mindful of how we're using these new tools as we work toward overcoming chronic and disordered forms of anxiety.

This episode includes

A look at how compulsive reassurance seeking, analysis, problem solving, and resources gathering can turn AI or online tools into counterproductive habits
How the Internet can't ever really know your specific situation or the real details of who you are, and therefore can't answer your recovery questions with any degree of certainty or even safety in many cases.
How AI engines are being used to create mental health and wellness content targeting engagement, growth, and influence rather than accuracy or usefulness.
General guidelines we might lean on when trying to use tools like ChatGPT or Reddit to help us in recovery.

If you want to use AI or online tools to help you get better, this episode is probably worth a listen.

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Two Week Break - April 18, 2025 Apr 18, 2025

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We're taking a short two week break, so no new episode of Disordered for April 18 or April 25. We'll be back again on May 2!

In the meanwhile, head over to disordered.fm and check out our back catalog of episodes. We've done some cool (and fun) stuff over the last two years so check it out.

Thank you for all your support. We really appreciate all of you guys!

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Doing ... And NOT Doing ... In Anxiety Recovery (Episode 107) Apr 11, 2025

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When working on anxiety recovery, sometimes we're DOING. Other times we have to focus on NOT doing. How confusing is that!?

This week Drew and Josh are chatting about how DOING things specific to anxiety recovery and NOT DOING things specific to anxiety recovery are related and how these two concepts work together.

In a nutshell, doing is about activating and engaging in behavior that anxiety says you should avoid. On the flip side, not doing is about refraining from the actions (including mental actions like rumination) that anxiety and fear will insist are good ideas.

This is subtle and nuanced, and will look a bit different from one person to the next. Things may change from day to day. So if you are confused by this - especially if you are dealing with GAD or health anxiety and want to know what you're "exposures" should be - this episode may help clear things up for you.

As usual the episode celebrates some wins from your peers - others struggling with the same issues you may be struggling with - and a healthy dose of humor and compassion. So listening is a good DOING thing. On the other hand, judging Josh and Drew for their continued insistence on talking about bologna sandwiches is definitely a NOT DOING thing. ;-)

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Emetophobia - Fear of Vomiting w/Dara Lovitz & Dr. David Yusko (Episode 106) Apr 04, 2025

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Emetophobia - an intense fear of vomiting and any thoughts or sensations associated with vomiting - is a more common struggle among anxious people than anyone might initial think. But Emetophobia can make its way into virtually every aspect of life, often resulting in a highly restricted lifestyle and a dramatic decrease in the ability to function.

This week Dara Lovitz and Dr. David Yusko join Drew and Josh to talk about emetophobia. Dara suffered for over 30 years before finally overcoming emetophobia through exposure based treatment with Dr. Yusko. Now they're sharing this experience with others in need of help, which is pretty awesome.

If your anxiety is driven by an intense fear of vomiting, this episode is absolutely worth a listen.

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Dara Lovitz is an attorney working for a legal nonprofit organization, adjunct professor of animal law at two law schools in the Philadelphia area, and an author. She is a recovered emetophobe and co-wrote her fourth book, Gag Reflections: Conquering a Fear of Vomit Through Exposure Therapy, with her therapist Dr. David Yusko. With Dr. Yusko, she also co-founded Emetophobia Institute, which is the premier online resource for individuals struggling with emetophobia as well as therapists of all experience levels who wish to learn how to help their clients conquer emetophobia.

Dr. David Yusko is a licensed clinical psychologist in Pennsylvania and is the co-founder of the Center for Anxiety & Behavior Therapy. He received his Psy.D. in clinical psychology from the Graduate School of Applied and Professional Psychology at Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey. Upon completing his doctoral studies, Dr. Yusko joined The Center for the Treatment and Study of Anxiety (CTSA) at the University of Pennsylvania where his expertise in anxiety disorders broadly speaking was developed and refined. Under the mentorship of Dr. Edna Foa, Dr. Yusko focused his career on providing clients, and teaching other mental health professionals, evidence based treatments for anxiety related disorders (e.g. OCD, panic disorder, social phobia, PTSD, generalized anxiety disorder, and specific phobias).

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Existential Anxiety With Depersonalization/De-Realization (Episode 105) Mar 28, 2025

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One of the perfect storms in the anxiety disorder world is the combination of existential related anxiety with the sensations/experiences of depersonalization and derealization. Unfortunately for many, this is a common combination and it can be so difficult to understand and address that it seemed an episode dedicated to this issue was in order.

As you might expect, the overall message in this episode is that while this is a very scary combination that be difficult to accept without fighting or resisting, in the end having existentially based thoughts/fears alongside this common anxiety symptom (DP/DR) is safe. It really is OK - though difficult - to take an acceptance based approach in this situation too.

The discussion touches on how anxiety can turn curiosity and wonder into dread, how an anxious mind will try very hard to answer un-answerable questions, and how DP/DR might seem to confirm the important/dangerous nature of existential thoughts and fears (but it really doesn't confirm anything except the fact that you are afraid and anxious).

As usual, the guys share some of their own experience, add clinical experience and expertise, and sprinkle a dash of humor and a helping of kindness and understanding into the discussion.

If you feel like DP/DR alongside existential anxiety is a deal breaker or show-stopper for you .... tune in. This one might be helpful.

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Anxiety and "Incomplete" Recovery (Episode 104) Mar 21, 2025

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Do you feel like you've "mostly" overcome your chronic or disordered anxiety issues but there are still challenges that linger? Maybe you've felt fully recovered once before, or even several times before, but you keep finding yourself back in the thick of it or unable to overcome a few specific challenges.

If this is you, then tune in as Josh and Drew talk about the concept of "incomplete" anxiety disorder recovery.

We're looking at the red zone concept - that set of triggers or circumstances that you may still deem unapproachable or too triggering to fully face.
We'll look at the very definition of what recovery means and why sometimes that word itself can be problematic.
There's some discussion of how earlier recovery can sometimes accidentally hinge on learning to do things without being triggered rather than working through triggered states.

And as usual, there's a healthy dose of understanding and a few laughs along the way!

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Anxiety and Flying w/Dr. David Carbonell (Episode 103) Mar 14, 2025

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When working to overcome an anxiety disorder, the biggest challenge many in our community can identify is flying. For chronically anxious people, the idea of getting on a plane, being trapped for hours, and being terrified or out of control for that long seems like something they will never be able to.

Even for people that are well on the way to recovery, flying can still feel like the "ultimate test" of recovery. The fear that they will crumble and be in a totally uncontrollable, inconsolable state while in the air can be powerful. It leads some to avoid travel completely.

This week Drew and Josh had a chat with Dr. David Carbonell about the intersection of anxiety disorders and flying. Dave is well known in the anxiety disorder community and brings us not only a wealth of knowledge and experience in this area, but also a healthy dose of understanding and much needed humor.

We're covering all the usual issues:

anticipatory anxiety
struggling to decide if you should get on the plane or not
the worry over losing control or being in a full panic for hours while at 35,000 feet
storming the cockpit
trying to get out of the aircraft while its in the air
causing a scene and/or needing to be restrained in some way
experiencing a psychotic break
panic that leads to a medical emergency

If you're struggling with disordered anxiety and terrified at the thought of flying not because you fear a crash but because you fear your own thoughts, emotions, and physical sensations, tune in. This episode is for you.

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Self-Soothing When Anxiety Appears? (Episode 102) Mar 07, 2025

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How can I learn to self-soothe when I get anxious and I'm terrified of my body or my thoughts?

Well ... while it might seem like launching into a soothing technique designed to control the fight or flight response is a good idea, this week Josh and Drew are talking about why the concept of self-soothing doesn't automatically make sense in the context of anxiety disorders.

Self-soothing, supporting yourself while you naturally work through difficult moments and experiences, is awesome. There are a few excellent examples in this episode of what that might look like (including a reference to Josh in a cozy onesie), but when we feel like we must immediately escape from feelings inside us because we are in what feels like an urgent situation, self-soothing can be counterproductive.

If you're struggling with the idea that you should be learning how to forcibly soothe your anxiety and frustrated because you can't find ways to reliably or consistently do this on demand, this episode is worth a listen ... even if it took us almost 30 minutes to mention crying, which is one of the greatest organic natural soothing responses of all time.

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Breathing/Breath Anxiety (Episode 101) Feb 28, 2025

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Breathing anxiety! This is such a common issue in the Disordered community. Breathing or breath focused anxiety often involves a few key concepts:

"I feel like I can't get a deep enough breath!"

"When I get really anxious it feels like I can't breathe."

"I'm super focused on my breath all day long and I hate it!"

Today we're joined by clinical psychologist Dr. Amy Janzen-Claude to chat about breathing and breath-focused anxiety, and the most effective ways to approach and address this common struggle.

Of particular note is the discussion about how while acceptance and tolerance concepts are universal, how we apply them can be very individual and might look different from one person to the next.

In the end ... as expected ... approaching breathing anxiety isn't much different than approaching anxiety focused on any other somatic experience or core fear. You might feel like this a very special and super important issue, but that is your brain insisting that it must keep you safe ... while you ARE safe and always have been.

Thanks to Dr. Janzen-Claude for getting up early to join us today!

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Did It Anyway - Volume 3 (Episode 100) Feb 21, 2025

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To celebrate the 100th episode (and over a million downloads) of Disordered, we thought celebrating listener and community wins would be a great way to mark the occasion!

Disordered would not exist without you, and when you guys do brave things, face your fear, learn lessons from that, and rise to meet challenges you previously thought impossible to meet, that needs to be acknowledged.

If you find inspiration and encouragement in the victories of others that share your struggle, tune in for this one. It's full of that stuff.

And thank you so much for supporting Disordered for the last two years. We appreciate you more than you can imagine.

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Existential Anxiety! (Episode 99) Feb 14, 2025

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What is existence? What is the point of all this? Do I even really exist? The universe is so insanely huge! What even is time? What happens when we die?

These are questions all humans ask - and have been asking since we developed language. They are normal. They can even be fun questions to ask. An entire section of the human race dedicates itself to studying and pondering these questions.

But for people struggling with OCD and other anxiety disorders ... these questions can be huge triggers that create an intense state of anxiety and dread.

This week Drew and Josh are examining existential anxiety and dread within the context of anxiety and anxiety disorders. So if you are afraid to look at the sky because it makes you worry about your place in the universe, or if you ever worry about the nature of time or existence, pop in and have a listen.

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Willful Tolerance and the Sensitized State (Episode 98) Feb 07, 2025

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When Drew and Josh form a band, they will call it "Willful Tolerance and the Sensitized State". Kinda like Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble .... but way cooler.

But before then, they're releasing this episode of Disordered, which takes a look at the relationship between a sensitized state - where everything seems scary and triggering and you feel stuck - and the principle of willful tolerance (acceptance, surrender, non-resistance, etc.).

This episode is especially useful for anxious people that are declaring themselves to be in a setback, or experiencing a relapse, and wondering what they're doing wrong and why they aren't fully recovered and not anxious.

So if you are confused about how you're supposed to accept or tolerate things that feel so raw and so strong, pop in and join us for 39 minutes or so. We promise, at no point in the episode will you have to hear the guys playing instruments or singing.

But we can't promise that will never happen. Just saying.

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The Compassionate Mind - The Role of Compassion in Anxiety Recovery (Episode 97) Jan 31, 2025

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If being anxious means you are less than, defective, doing it wrong, or that you are at fault for not being able to control or stop your anxiety, you may be struggling to move forward in recovery. If you feel that being an anxious person is proof that you are unworthy or defective, or if you feel that you are bringing it all on yourself because you do not deserve a better life, you may be struggling with self-compassion.

This is one of the primary obstacles to improvement when addressing an anxiety disorder. The inability to treat oneself with kindness or access feelings of self worth or self love really gets in the way of learning the lessons that facing our fears bring us. It leaves many in our community feeling stuck - and feeling even less worthy or capable!

Dr. Elaine Beaumont is one of the leading voices in the field of Compassion Focused Therapy. We were fortunate to have her stop by and chat with us about the role of compassion self-compassion in the recovery process. If you see yourself in a negative light and that's getting in the way of your recovery, this episode might be for you.

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Dr Elaine Beaumont is a cognitive behavioural psychotherapist, compassion focused therapist and Europe-approved eye movement desensitisation and reprocessing practitioner. She is a lecturer and researcher at the University of Salford and co-author of the bestselling books:

The Kindness Workbook: Compassionate and Creative Ways to Boost Your Wellbeing

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kindness-Workbook-Compassionate-Creative-Wellbeing/dp/1472143272/

The Compassionate Mind Workbook: A step-by-step guide to developing your compassionate self, which has helped tens of thousands of people to learn how to develop greater compassion for themselves and others.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Compassionate-Mind-Workbook-step-step/dp/1472135903

Elaine is co-author of The Self-Compassion app which is the first app to focus on the principles of Compassion Focused Therapy.

https://www.selfcompassion.me/

Fine Dr. Beaumont online at:

https://beaumontpsychotherapy.co.uk/

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Anxiety ... Without Judgment? (Episode 96) Jan 24, 2025

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I hate anxiety and panic. I hate my intrusive scary thoughts. I fear them. Why does everyone keep talking about "not judging". I MUST judge them!

When addressing anxiety disorders, most modern, empirically validated effective treatments involve elements of mindfulness and acceptance. This means learning to experience anxiety without judgment or evaluation. That's difficult, isn't it!

This week the guys are talking about "anxiety without judgment" and what that might look like in common scenarios. Learning to not judge doesn't mean you have to like or want anxiety or fear. It mostly means becoming more aware of the fact that you automatically judge, evaluate, and assess the feelings you experience. If you can see yourself doing that, you have a chance to change that script!

Since this is an episode about judgment, we're also joined by the one and only, Judge Dredd! Well not really. Just highly questionable amateur audio engineering skills and some old movie clips featuring Sylvester Stallone, but maybe a little Stallone is exactly what you need today, right? 😉

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Real Event OCD (Episode 95) Jan 17, 2025

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BUT THIS REALLY HAPPENED!

You have an event in your past that you just can't stop thinking about and ruminating on, and the feelings you are getting about that event are incredibly intense and feel overpowering. Those feelings might include guilt, shame, embarrassment, anxiety, or worry about your status as a good person. But no matter how much you replay the event in your head or seek reassurance that it wasn't' as bad as you think, that never lasts and the cycle continues.

Welcome to Real Event OCD. This OCD variant is particularly stubborn because when we are struggling with REOCD your anxious mind will insist that all the most effective approaches to OCD are not applicable because "it really happened!"

This week we're talking about Real Event OCD. While it is true that the event you are fixated on really did happen, that does not change the rules of engagement .... or more accurately non-engagement. Sometimes things happen that aren't what we want. Sometimes events occur that make us afraid, unsure, worried, or very uncomfortable. In this episode we're chatting about this, and why the path through REOCD is to recognize that you're trying to solve a feeling that can't be - and doesn't need to be - solved.

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Anxiety Insights w/Dr Sally Winston and Dr. Martin Seif (Episode 94) Jan 10, 2025

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This week on Disordered we're having a good old anxiety Q&A session, except the people answering the questions are legends in the area of anxiety disorders!

Drs Sally Winston and Marty Seif are here this week to take questions from our listeners and to share some of the insights they gained over years of working with anxiety disorders.

There's a reason why Sally and Marty are looked up to by so many in this field (including us!) so tune in to learn from two of most well informed and experienced anxiety experts on the planet today.

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Anxiety Recovery ... Chasing "Rest and Digest" (Episode 93) Jan 03, 2025

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"I MUST BE CALM OR ALL BETS ARE OFF!"

If this feels like a rule you're living by, you may find that you're chasing calm all the time, looking for ways to force your way into the coveted parasympathetic "rest and digest" state. Anxious people tend to work very hard to create calm and to maintain it at all costs.

This week on Disordered the guys are talking about "rest and digest" or the state of neutral calm that an anxious person would pay a large sum of money to achieve. What is rest and digest? How does one get into that parasympathetic state we hear about from all the wellness gurus online? There must be some way to calm and regulate your nervous system to get to that place, right?

Well, as usual, we're looking at a paradox here. An anxious person chasing calm - trying to force "rest and digest" - is not terribly likely to achieve or maintain that desired state.

Great. So are you and your anxiety stuck forever? Not really. Tune in and give this episode a listen for more on why demanding calm is generally a bad plan, and why its safe to stop doing that, even if you're really anxious!

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Anxiety Disorders .. The "Default Thought" (Episode 92) Dec 27, 2024

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There is a default thought that stands as thread that weaves itself throughout the life of a person struggling with disordered or chronic anxiety.

"How do I feel?"

This week Josh and Drew are looking at this default thought and the impact it has on an anxious person. All living humans will ask this question probably every day in some form, but anxious humans ask it as their default appraisal and monitoring strategy. It becomes inflated and twisted and takes over life at a level that is not in alignment with actual safety. An anxious person has no room to act in accordance with their true selves or what they value because the default thought keeps bringing everything back to anxiety and discomfort all day long.

If you're struggling with anxiety and find yourself on a default thought hamster wheel that you can't seem to get off, if you spend all day long checking in on how you feel, and if every situation you find yourself in always comes back to how you feel or might feel ... you're not alone in that and this episode is for you.

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I Get So Anxious When I'm Sick! (Episode 91) Dec 20, 2024

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"When I am ill, my anxiety goes through the roof!"

Does this sound familiar? Many people struggling with disordered anxiety will say that if they get sick or feel unwell (i.e. a cold, a sore throat, the flu, etc.) they find that they are extremely anxious. If you experience this struggle, its not just you.

This week Drew and Josh are examining the mechanics behind your over-productive threat monitoring system and why being sick or unwell can often push you into high alert mode with your anxious mind constantly scanning, measuring, evaluating, and worrying about how you feel moment to moment.

Anxious people are generally terrible at tolerating discomfort and uncertainty, and that nasty sinus infection that has you down is probably also doing a good job of triggering both of those things.

Here's a spoiler alert (but listen anyway) ... choosing to actively involve yourself in persistent worry and body scanning and evaluating your safety when sick is not keeping you any safer or making you feel any better. Get the medical support you might need of course, but once you have your plan and you've DONE all you can do ... its time to practice tolerating that feeling of discomfort, the fear, and the uncertainty.

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Help! I'm In An Anxiety Spiral! (Episode 90) Dec 13, 2024

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"Spiraling" is one of the terms heard quite often in the community of people struggling with anxiety disorders.

There's a trigger like a thought or a sensation, then in short order you feel completely out of control, being dragged down into the pit of fear where you thrash about trying to make it stop but failing and just feeling worse and worse.

This week on Disordered we're taking a closer look at what it really means to spiral. Is it a spiral, or an endless loop? Are you really out of control? What makes it feel that way? How do our old friends shock, attention, and resistance factor in here?

If you find yourself often triggered into "spiraling", this might be the episode for you. Check it out!

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Anxiety Recovery: How Important Is Attention? (Episode 89) Dec 06, 2024

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How important is the concept of attention in driving an anxiety disorder and influencing the recovery process?

VERY important!

This week on Disordered we're up to our usual hijinks but also we're digging into the idea that attention - choosing to pay very close attention to how one feels and what one is thinking - is the primary driver of disordered anxiety. And if this is true - which we say it is - then working on moving your attention elsewhere even when that feels risky or unsafe or impossible would logically be a key component in the recovery process.

This episode is a great companion to our Shock Attention and Resistance episode (episode 78) so if you haven't heard that one, check it out first, then come back and have a listen to this one.

Naturally we're also sharing contributions from the community surrounding Disordered and tossing in some silly jokes and a healthy dose of understanding and compassion. Pull up a chair, or a pillow, or whatever, and join us for a while.

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Anxiety, ACT, and The Happiness Trap w/ Dr Russ Harris (Episode 88) Nov 29, 2024

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The struggle in an anxiety disorder is seen in two almost automatic responses to anxiety - we either obey it and do what it tells us we must do, or we resist it by trying to fight it, argue with it, and wish it away over and over.

This week on Disordered Dr. Russ Harris - one of the world's leading advocates for Acceptance and Committment Therapy (ACT) - is here to chat about the principles of ACT, how we get hooked by anxiety, fear, and anxious thoughts, and how this can lead to a smaller and smaller life over time.

We're even using some of Josh's personal experiences with anxiety as a mini case-study viewed the the ACT lens. And as usual, the episode is sprinkled with healthy doses of light-hearted humor and kind acknowledgement of what is an almost universal struggle for humans around the world.

Thank you to Russ Harris for making time for us! To find out more about Russ and ACT:

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If you are a therapist or clinician interested in being trained in ACT:

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Measuring Anxiety Disorder Recovery (Episode 87) Nov 22, 2024

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How can you tell if you're getting better? How do you measure or at least see progress when working on recovery from an anxiety disorder? What happens if you're "doing it anyway" but not seeing progress?

This week on Disordered we're looking at the "green flags" of anxiety recovery. What are the signs that tell you that you're making progress even when you might feel like you're not? How much of recovery is found in just doing it anyway? What if you're already doing it anyway and don't feel like you're making progress?

Josh and Drew are answering some of these questions with reminders about the real targets of recovery, shifting attitudes, willingness to come into contact with difficult internal experiences, and steering clear of Craig the Critic when he insists that you're doing it all wrong and never getting better.

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Anxiety, Caffeine, Alcohol, and Cheeseburgers (Episode 86) Nov 15, 2024

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Do you have to give up coffee, tea, wine, pizza and cake to recover from an anxiety disorder? Well ... if you ask the Internet and consult general wellness influencers this question you're going to get answers that tend to collide with best practices among well trained therapists and counselors.

No, you do not have to give up your favorite foods and drinks to get better. You may choose to structure your diet and your lifestyle around making overall healthy choices that align with your values and belief. That's always a good thing.

But if you are avoiding things you generally like or enjoy in an effort to micro-manage your body or totally avoid experiencing natural thoughts, emotions, and sensations because you fear them ... this episode of Disordered is for you. It is in fact possible to fully recover from your anxiety disorder while also eating cheeseburgers and drinking wine. These things are not mutually exclusive!

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Obsessive and Compulsive? (Episode 85) Nov 08, 2024

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This week on Disordered we're starting with the assertion that all anxiety disorders are obsessive and compulsive in at least some way. Then we make our way through all the "usual suspects"

Panic disorder
Health anxiety
Social anxiety
GAD
OCD (obviously)

We're looking at the obsessional components of each anxiety flavor, and the corresponding common compulsions or rituals designed to easy anxiety and discomfort.

If you're worried because you think you have one type of anxiety ... and also OCD ... don't worry. While the usual "we're all a little OCD" thing is really awful and should be banned forever, within the context of anxiety disorders there are always obsessive and compulsive tendencies at play.

Also, shout out to selective mutism, which is officially an anxiety disorder according to the DSM-5 but has never been mentioned on this podcast before. Spoiler alert: neither Drew nor Josh had anything constructive to say in that moment because neither has any experience with that presentation. Sorry, selective mutism.

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Listener Questions About Anxiety and Recovery (Episode 84) Nov 01, 2024

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This week Josh and Drew are answering questions from Disordered listeners.

How to deal with the shame associated with anxiety and recovery when a partner or spouse isn't terribly supportive.
How do re-gain confidence in oneself?
What happens if you don't remember what non-anxious you was like?
What about flushing, feeling hot, and getting goosebumps when anxious?
I'm an introvert. What do I do when I want to go home to re-charge? Is that avoidance?
What about when you're facing possible medical issues and it triggers anxiety?
What about anxiety symptoms that are disruptive and I don't know how to manage them or stop them? What is that? If its a panic attack, how do I stop it?

As always, this episode includes some wins from the community, and healthy helpings of humor and compassion.

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Anxiety Disorders - Primary vs Secondary Fear (Episode 83) Oct 25, 2024

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This week Drew and Josh are talking about secondary fear.

When triggered into an anxious state by thoughts, sensations, or anything else, we ALL experience a jolt of fear or discomfort. This is primary fear and its simply part of being human. Overcoming an anxiety disorder is not about removing this natural, healthy response to possible threats. People struggling with anxiety disorders will often make the mistake of trying to turn off the primary fear response to feel better.

But if you want to overcome disordered and chronic states of anxiety, you want to work on turning down the secondary fear response. This is the response that makes you afraid ... or being afraid. Secondary fear is what we call it when you misinterpret primary fear as itself dangerous and begin to take evasive action to get away from, manage, stop, or prevent this internal experience. Secondary fear - and acting to keep secondary fear alive - is what really drives the disordered state.

Tune in to hear a discussion about how to play charades with your amygdala and how to respond to its "call to perform" in a way that lets you slowly turn down that secondary fear response bit by bit over time. As usual, we're adding some humor and a dose of patience and kindness as is needed in any process that involves doing scary, difficult things on purpose.

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WHY Did I Develop An Anxiety Disorder? (Episode 82) Oct 18, 2024

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Everyone that develops an anxiety disorder wants to know why that happened. Why do some people develop disorders while others are anxious and stressed all the time without ever developing a disorder issue?

Excellent question, and one that nobody would blame you for asking.

This week on Disordered we're exploring the origins of anxiety disorders, why they develop, what makes us more vulnerable to this, why symptoms and scary thoughts happen, and the relationship between stress (inevitable in life) and disordered anxiety.

We're also looking at how there can be many contributing factors that might trigger development of an anxiety disorder, but paradoxically directly addressing those factors is not usually the way to get out of the state you find yourself in. First we "turn off the tap" (tune in for more on this) and learn to stand up on our own, then addressing contributing factors and working on overall wellness and good relapse prevention strategies and skills can - and often do - become part of the plan.

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Learning To Be Bored in Anxiety Recovery (Episode 81) Oct 11, 2024

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Anxious people in recovery from chronic or disordered anxiety can find themselves bored ... and this is often a problem. This week on Disordered we're talking about learning to be bored. Yes, we have to learn how to be bored, which can be challenging if anxiety is a problem for you, but this is a skill well worth learning and practicing.

Allowing yourself to sit quietly or to engage in random activities that may or may not have any purpose at all is a real thing. Not everything needs to be analyzed and evaluated in the context of anxiety recovery. Its perfectly OK to "not recover" for a while and to allow yourself to be bored, or idle. Might you experience thoughts or even sensations that you still fear a little? Yes! But this is normal. Bring those things with you into your boredom. Don't be tricked into thinking that idle time or boredom are dangerous or damaging in some way.

Of note in this episode is a discussion of how reclaiming boredom and idle time without engaging in constant movement, distraction, or consumption of content is a good idea for ALL humans, not just anxious people.

If you're finding yourself bored, or with idle time on your hands, this can be a good sign in your recovery. But if you find this disturbing - if boredom is itself anxiety producing - this episode may prove helpful. Give it a listen.

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Dating With an Anxiety Disorder (Episode 80) Oct 04, 2024

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"I want to get back into dating but I'm still struggling with anxiety. What should I do?"

"It's been going well with this new person and I'm afraid to tell them about my anxiety problem. Any tips?"

"Do I need to recover fully before I start dating again?"

"What if I start to like this person then then drop me because of my anxiety?"

This week on Disordered we're examining the topic of dating ... with an anxiety disorder. Life doesn't stop because you are struggling with panic disorder or OCD or some other form of chronic or disordered anxiety. Anxious people also value connection, companionship, and intimacy. So how can you approach dating and building new intimate relationships while you're still in the thick of an anxiety problem and/or working on recovery?

Two guys that know very little about dating ... but a whole lot about anxiety disorders ... are here to provide some insight on what it might look like when dating and anxiety disorders collide. The usual "rules" will still apply in this context, but we're also looking at sources of shame or negative self-image outside of anxiety, cognitive distortions and catastrophic thinking that can sabotage dating and new relationships, and why even non-anxious people struggle when looking for romantic partners.

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What's YOUR Anxiety Narrative (Episode 79) Sep 27, 2024

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Your anxiety narrative is the way you conceptualize your anxiety issues alongside how you see yourself, the world, your life in general, and how you may think your anxiety disorder developed or was triggered. Your personal narrative is important because nobody knows more about you than you!

When seeking help with an anxiety problem, your narrative is the place a good helper will start. Helpers do not get to tell you your own story or impose their stories upon you. They should start with your conceptualization - your narrative - and work to incorporate that into the theories or modalities they use that work best in the context of your primary issue.

This week Josh and Drew will explore why there is often confusion, conflict, and even debate about anxiety related narratives and how sometimes it can be difficult to conceptualize your own story when bombarded with so many varying messages on busy social platforms.

In the end, you are always the expert on you. Taking time to work out your anxiety narrative, including how it may change as you go through the recovery process, is a process well worth engaging in. Just remember that this can be unclear, confusing, or even frustrating at times so beware of the perfection of "doing it right" traps. Your anxiety narrative is organic. It lives and breathes and changes and that's OK. There is no wrong way to address your own story!

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Anxiety Disorders: Shock, Attention, and Resistance (Episode 78) Sep 20, 2024

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Three things start and drive disordered states of anxiety:

Shock, Attention, and Resistance

Shock is what we experience when anxiety levels skyrocket for what seems like no reason. We experience scary and disturbing physical sensations, thoughts, and emotions all at the same time. It is ... shocking!
Attention drives disordered anxiety when our internal states become the most important and interesting thing in the room all the time. We focus all our attention on how we feel all the time and cannot even imagine doing otherwise.
Resistance drives disordered anxiety when we fight our reality. We are anxious. We have symptoms. We have scary thoughts. We feel emotions. This is our reality in any given moment. We wear ourselves down, increase our sense of powerlessness and hopelessness, get more and more confused, and feel more and more lost and out of control when we resist this reality and try to control it rather than working WITH it.

This week on Disordered we're looking at the Shock / Attention / Resistance cycle that ignites and maintains a disordered state of anxiety.

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Health Anxiety and Somatic Hyper Focus (Episode 77) Sep 13, 2024

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Somatic Hyper Focus - That thing where an anxious person becomes hyper aware and hyper fixated on specific bodily sensations or bodily functions. This is a common issue seen in health anxiety, OCD, and panic disorder.

This week Drew and Josh are going into detail on somatic hyper focus. What does it look like? How do anxious people get stuck in this loop? What are the mechanisms at play? What tricks does the anxious mind (our friend the amygdala) employ to get us to remain focused and convinced that closely monitoring our bodies is a good idea?

We're talking about hyper focus on heartbeat, breathing, muscle twitches, stomach sensations, aches and pains, and a slew of other common somatic fixation targets. We're also talking about a way to conceptualize this issue that might help you turn away from it and learn through behavioral change and experience that its OK to not urgently analyze the results every time your frightened mind scans your body for signs of danger.

Of course, there's the usual dose of humor and silly music and sound effects to round out the discussion, along with a reminder that overcoming somatic hyper focus takes time and requires patience and self-compassion. Nobody fixes this problem overnight, so tune in, take what you can from this episode, and be nice to yourself as you address this disruptive and unwanted habit.

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Anxiety Recovery: When The Techniques Don't Work (Episode 76) Sep 06, 2024

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What do you do when you're working on recovery from an anxiety disorder and your techniques stop working? How do you handle those hard days when you can't make it stop or go away?

Well ... this is one reason why in the Disordered community we rarely if ever talk about tips, techniques, tricks, hacks, or steps for calming down, preventing anxiety, or managing anxiety or symptoms.

This week Josh and Drew are talking about what happens when we try to use calming, relaxation, or wellness techniques to make disordered anxiety go away. There will be surprises here ... the number one technique we use in anxiety disorder recovery is to not try to use any techniques. The most valuable lesson we can learn is that even without taking special steps, our internal experiences come and go and are not worthy of changing our lives over, even when they are highly uncomfortable or scary.

This episode also touches on the use of calming, relaxation, and stress management techniques as important parts of overall wellness outside the context of an anxiety disorder. Not everything is an exposure and acceptance problem in life. There are times when engaging in good wellness and stress management practices can be very helpful!

The bottom line this week is that trying to use techniques to directly control how you feel and what you think in an urgent or frantic way is generally a bad plan. Applying techniques to teach us how to better handle stressors and move THROUGH our uncomfortable experiences is probably a better way to go.

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The Social Impacts of Anxiety (Episode 75) Aug 30, 2024

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This week Drew and Josh are looking at the social impacts of anxiety. What happens when panic attacks, anxiety waves, or a flood of scary intrusive thoughts happens in public or while in social situations or when interacting with friends, family members, co-workers, or relationship partners?

If your past experiences in life or past relationships have contributed to developing self-beliefs or persistent worries about being rejected, excluded, or being exposed as being "less than", you may be tempted to insist that being anxious in social settings can't possibly be OK and that there must be some special way to approach this issue.

The short answer is that there really is no special way, and the same principles will apply. Its always helpful to be able to identify reasons why your threat response has latched onto themes like rejection, exclusion, or being unworthy or less than.

Even then the path forward is THROUGH. In this episode we're talking about identifying and challenging core beliefs focused on social fears, and learning two valuable lessons :

1. The worst case often does not happen

2. Even if it does, you are capable of handling the feelings that come with that

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When Anxious People Try to Perfectly Fix ... EVERYTHING (Episode 74) Aug 09, 2024

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Humans will often make the mistake of trying to apply our analytical and problem solving skills in areas where they do not belong. Anxious people - people struggling with anxiety disorders - do this all the time.

Are you trying to fix how you feel?
Are you trying to solve your anxiety and figure it out?
Are you in the habit of trying to control how you feel, engineering away bad feelings and trying to manufacture only good feelings?
Are you always on the lookout for more tools, tips, techniques, and instructions on what's good "for anxiety?"

These are hints that you might be a fixer or a perfectionist or both, and that you might be trying to fix or solve your anxiety .... perfectly. If this is you, tune in to this episode of Disordered for more on the fixing trap and how what seems like a good idea can often backfire and make things worse.

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Anxiety Questions and Answers (Episode 73) Aug 02, 2024

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Let's do an old-fashioned anxiety question and answer session!

This week Josh and Drew are answering questions sent in by members of the Disordered podcast community. Listen in for answers to the following questions:

Are we supposed to challenge our beliefs in recovery?
What about dizziness?
How do you do recovery when real life happens?
My health anxiety is "different". Can I use going to the doctor as an exposure?
I'm very anxious when reminded of a past event that I'm not proud of. Any tips?
How can I do more so I can be more recovered and not feel anxiety?
How can be compassionate toward ourselves ... and really mean it?

Of course we also have a few "did it anyways" in this episode to inspire and encourage. Thank you to everyone that sends in questions, shares victories both big and small, or just listens to the podcast every week. Your presence and participation are always greatly appreciated!

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Anxiety Recovery and the Fawn / People Pleasing Response (Episode 72) Jul 26, 2024

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Fight ... flight ... or freeze. But what about the fawn response?

This week on Disordered, Drew and Josh explore the fawn response and people pleasing. While this may not be a response we see directly like we do with fight, flight, or freeze, the fawn response that leads to habitual and almost automatic people pleasing can get in the way of the recovery process. It's not exactly easy to choose to do difficult scary things to get better when you may have been conditioned by past experiences to keep yourself under wraps and not rock the boat or risk rejection or harm.

We're examining some common experiences that can deal to developing and fawn or people pleasing response and looking at how the fawn response can impact family relationships friendships, intimate and romantic relationships, and even career or social group performance.

One item of note. It's perfectly OK to be shy. Being considerate of others and trying to be a good person is not a problem. We're not trying to erase these parts of our personalities. Overcoming the fawn response and excessive people pleasing is not about becoming hyper-independent or insensitive. This is always about bringing behaviors and beliefs back into a healthy, beneficial place in one's life.

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Anxiety Recovery and Metacognitive Therapy (Episode 71) Jul 19, 2024

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An anxious state can be at least partially fueled by the act of metacognition. That's thinking and feeling ... about thinking and feeling. When meta-beliefs tell us that thinking, rumination, worry, and mental problem solving is a good way to fix our internal experiences (like big emotions, scary thoughts, or anxiety), things can go off the rails.

What seems like a good idea - thinking to fix how you feel - suddenly feels like a bad idea after you can't accomplish your goal and wonder why you can't stop engaging in overthinking, worry, and rumination.

This week Josh and Drew are joined by Rhiannon Wilcox, a qualified UK therapist that's been trained and certified in Metacognitive Therapy, a treatment that's been studied and validated when used to address chronic and disordered anxiety problems.

Come learn more about thinking and feeling about thinking and feeling, and why those thinking habits might be leading you astray, even as they promise to lead you to recovery.

To find Rhiannon Wilcox online:

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When Anxiety Feels Automatic (Episode 70) Jul 12, 2024

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Even when you understand that changing your reaction to anxious thoughts, feelings, and sensations is the way out ... you may feel that this is impossible because those thoughts, those sensations, and your reactions feel completely automatic and unchangeable.

This is a common concern for almost anyone struggling with anxiety disorder recovery so this week Drew and Josh are talking about how anxiety, anxious thoughts, symptoms, and reactions can feel - and really are - automatic. But even when things happen automatically, there is a choice point in every anxious situation where we are aware of what is happening. That awareness gives us power to choose a different path, even when that path is a difficult one to choose.

It is critical to practice self-compassion in this context because it can be easy to fall into the trap of declaring failure or setback when you can't "control" automatic things. Remember that we're not trying to control automatic things, we're working on building awareness of our automatic thoughts, sensations, and reactions, so that the NEXT actions we take after that can be intentional and directed at recovery rather than retreat.

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But What About ...? Applying General Principles in Anxiety Recovery (EP 69) Jul 05, 2024

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If you've ever listened to an episode of Disordered and felt the need to ask "Yes, but what about when ...?", then this episode is for you.

A common struggle among people trying to overcome chronic and disordered anxiety is gaining the ability to generalize the principles of recovery and apply them in an individual context. Anxious people will often hear advice aimed at different types of anxious presentations, then ask for specific advice aimed at their specific fears or thoughts or symptoms.

That's a reasonable thing to ask of course, but what if the advice you're hearing for panic attacks also applies to GAD or OCD or health anxiety? Can you see how the principles of eliminating avoidance and doing the opposite of what your fear wants to you do might apply in your situation?

Recovery isn't necessarily about learning how to eradicate your specific symptom or worry. It's about learning that avoiding and struggling against your internal experiences is making things worse instead of better. This general principle is applicable regardless of the specific struggle in any given moment.

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Heat Anxiety (Episode 68) Jun 28, 2024

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Summer has arrived in the US and the UK, so let's talk about anxiety based on the heat. Summertime is often a difficult time for people struggling with anxiety disorders because the seasonal change in temperature becomes an anxiety trigger.

Today the guys are talking about:

How heat is just uncomfortable. Being uncomfortable in any way is often unacceptable for people with anxiety disorders.
Heat may trigger feelings that resemble panic attacks or that might remind you of times in the past when you've had scary or difficult experiences that you've attributed to high temperatures.
How anxiety disorders will argue irrationally about the danger or risk posed by summer temperatures, often totally discounting the ability of humans to exist quite safely in a very wide range of even extreme climates.
Typical exposure ideas that target heat centric anxiety.
Why working on your heat anxiety means you're also working on other triggered because heat anxiety is just another expression of the single core fear that comes with things like panic disorder or OCD - that thoughts, feelings, and sensations will be too much.

As usual there are questions from the community and a few "did it anyways" to provide encouragement and inspiration.

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Anxiety Recovery and Food/Eating (Episode 67) Jun 21, 2024

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We're back in business this week with both Josh and Drew in studio again chatting about the role of food and eating in the anxiety recovery process. Everyone eats, and for people struggling with anxiety disorders, food and the process of eating can become deeply connected to recovery and/or attempting to manage anxiety, symptoms, thoughts, or emotions.

As usual the guys share from their own experiences while covering some of the key points to consider when identifying how food and eating can be part of your recovery plans. A few important points:

Eating to be healthy is never a bad idea. But eating as a way to try to manage anxiety symptoms, prevent panic, or to micromanage physical processes that were never designed to be micromanaged can backfire on us.
Eating can become a safety or avoidance behavior when we tie our diets and eating habits to our anxious fears.
Be mindful of less than well-informed advice found on the Internet and in other places that promises to cure your anxiety with special diets - especially extreme or highly restrictive diets.
Don't make the mistake of eating like your body is fragile and can only exist inside a narrow dietary range. In the absence of medical/physical issues that demand dietary limitations, a varied diet has physical benefits while also teaching vital lessons about psychological flexibility that matters so much in the recovery process.
Contrary to popular belief, it is possible (though we would not suggest this if you can help it) so fully recover from an anxiety disorder - being afraid of being afraid - being anxious about being anxious - while consuming only junk food. Treating your body well is a better idea of course and certainly supportive, but it is not generally helpful to place food and diet on a pedestal as a cornerstone of recovery.
Food can change how your body feels. This is 100% true. But remember that being afraid of your body is an entirely different situation. This matters in the recovery process.

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Acceptance and Commitment Therapy w/Dr. Steven C Hayes (Episode 66) Jun 14, 2024

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The principles of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) are heard in every episode of disordered. Whenever you hear Drew or Josh talk about acceptance or allowing or surrendering and moving THROUGH anxiety rather than resisting it ... you are hearing elements of ACT.

This week we're a bit banged up - Josh is traveling and Drew has the flu, but fear not. Not only are we going to talk about ACT today, but we're talking about it with the guy that literally invented it - Dr. Steven C Hayes. If you want to explore the foundations of ACT and what it's all about, you can't pick a better person to talk to than Dr. Hayes so we are thrilled about this one.

Surprises in this episode include Dr. Hayes talking about how he's a former sufferer of panic disorder, and framing anxiety as part of the "gift of emotion". Does that seem ridiculous to you? Keep listening. It makes sense when you work it through and aligns perfectly with what we're always talking about here.

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Why Is Mindfulness So Hard In Anxiety Recovery? (Episode 65) Jun 07, 2024

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Mindfulness is good for anxiety, right? Isn't this what everyone says? Mindfulness fixes anxiety and makes you happier? Isn't that it?

Well ... not really. This week Drew and Josh are taking a look at the practical applications of things like meditation and mindfulness practice in the context of anxiety disorders and anxiety recovery. A few key points:

Mindfulness is paying attention to what you want to pay attention to without judgment or evaluation of your ability to pay attention.
PRACTICE is the key. The practice of training one's attention is where the win is. This is something we do. A process. It's not a state we achieve or a skill to perfect. Expecting calmness, happiness, or perfection in meditation or mindfulness is not a good approach.
Mindfulness and meditation are NOT calming tools or anxiety shields in this context. Please do your best to steer clear of trying to use these concepts to escape from your anxious state. That usually leads to frustration and a much more fragile state of recovery.
Mindfulness and meditation apps are great! General wellness advice on how to use mindfulness and meditation is great. Just be careful about trying to apply general advice to the specific context of disordered anxiety and recovery.

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Anxiety and the Freeze Response (Episode 64) May 31, 2024

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Everyone talks about the fight or flight response. But what about the freeze and fawn responses, which are also found in the anxiety disorder community?

This week Josh and Drew dig into the freeze response to anxiety, panic, and perceived threat. What is the freeze response? What does it look like? Does the freeze response mean being literally frozen and completely immobilized? Do we need special instructions or rules for how to "fix" the freeze state when anxious or experiencing panic?

Along the way, the guys also touch on the fawn response, which also doesn't get enough discussion in this community. We'll be doing a dedicated fawn response episode next week.

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Anxiety Recovery: Monitoring Mundane Moods (Episode 63) May 24, 2024

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When working through the process of chronic or disordered anxiety recovery many will find that at some point they are fixated on or have become a bit obsessed with monitoring and evaluating their mood.

This week on Disordered Drew and Josh take a look at why recovering and anxious people tend to get stuck in "mood monitoring mode". Generally speaking, the issue here is the belief that mood is an important indicator of recovery progress or status, or that mod is a predictor of doom or certain downward spiral. Little room is allowed for the natural ebb and flow of mood that all humans experience organically every day.

If you find that you're always monitoring your mood to check to see if you're feeling "right" or if you're OK, this episode may shed some useful light on the topic for you, so tune in.

As always, some successes are shared by members of the community, and the guys answer a question about compulsively consuming anxiety and mental health content and seeking the "miracle cure" for an extended period of time.

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Examining the Relationship Between Anxiety and Grief (Episode 062) May 17, 2024

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How does one approach recovery from chronic or disordered anxiety when grief is part of the picture? Do the same principles apply? Do we use concepts like acceptance, surrender, or willful tolerance when handling grief?

Grief is a powerful thing that will almost certainly impact not just anxiety recovery but all aspects of life and even daily functioning at times. In this episode Josh and Drew explore the relationship between anxiety, anxiety recovery, grief, and the grieving process.

This can get complicated and as always there are subtle details and nuances so tune in. We hope you find this episode helpful.

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Relationship Anxiety and Relationship OCD (Episode 061) May 10, 2024

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This week on Disordered we're looking at anxiety focused on relationships, specifically a form of OCD known as Relationship OCD (ROCD).

ROCD - like all forms of OCD - will glue itself to things that really matter to us. In this case, being in loving, secure, successful relationships with people we love and who love us. Someone with ROCD even when involved in what by all accounts may be a very healthy and satisfying relationship experiences doubt about various aspects of those relationships. Far beyond the usual questions and doubt that all people might experience now and then, ROCD doubt will trigger extreme discomfort and a sense of distress, demanding that one engage in rituals and compulsions designed to alleviate that sense of distress.

The thing is ... as usual ... that relief never lasts. ROCD will toss whatever assurance, solution, or peace our compulsions bring us, demanding that the cycle of doubt and rituals be repeated again and again.

The episode does include discussion of attachment theory/styles and self-esteem issues that may in fact play a role for people with ROCD, however the focus remains on treating the OCD itself before digging into what may be associated issues.

As always, the guys share some success stories from the listener community and answer a question about the difference between distraction and productive focusing of attention.

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Nocturnal Panic Attacks and Scary Dreams (Episode 60) May 03, 2024

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WHAT ABOUT NOCTURNAL PANIC ATTACKS? HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THOSE?

Nocturnal panic attacks are scary, disturbing, disruptive, and often feel like they are different from any other kind of panic attack. Anxious people will often insist that they are special, they can't possibly be approached with an attitude of tolerance or surrender, and that there must be special instructions or techniques for preventing them, stopping them, or getting over them.

But nocturnal panic attacks, as difficult as they are to experience, are not special nor different. This week on Disordered Josh and Drew are digging into what nocturnal panic attacks are all about and why they seem different or in need of a particular or special approach.

The guys also touch on how nocturnal panic attacks can impact people struggling with OCD or recurring or intrusive thoughts. There's also a discussion of scary or vivid dreams and how they are also often interpreted as dangerous or very important.

As always we have some excellent "did it anyways" from the community and an excellent question about what happens when living according to one's values becomes a bit extreme and results in overwhelm and burnout.

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Values Driven Anxiety Recovery (Episode 59) Apr 26, 2024

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WHAT DOES "VALUES DRIVEN RECOVERY" MEAN?

Anxiety recovery can be seen as one long journey away from fear driven behavior and toward behaviors that support the things we really value in life. This week Josh and Drew are talking about what values driven recovery mean and how your values - the things that matter to you and make you who you are and want to be - play a role in the recovery process.

A few key points from this episode:

Identifying and exploring your values is worthwhile because knowing WHY you are choosing to do scary, difficult things can support your recovery efforts.
Not really remembering what non-anxious you looks like is a common experience in our community. Focusing on values and can help us re-connect to who we really are rather than who anxiety tells us to be.
Connecting to your values and working on values driven recovery is a great plan, but be careful about assuming that your values will instantly override your fear. Sometimes but look to your values as a source of motivation, not as a way to smash anxiety and run it over.
Sometimes life gives us no choice and waves our values in our faces, demanding that we either follow them or retreat in a given moment. See if you can recognize those moments and use them in a positive way rather than defaulting to feeling defeated when you can't easily "rise up" to meet those challenges on demand.

As usual we're celebrating some "Did It Anyway" submissions from members of the community, and we answer a question about how social anxiety and agoraphobia can be connected in some cases.

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Anxiety And Tension, Soreness, Twitching and Weakness (Episode 58) Apr 19, 2024

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BUT WHAT ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE TENSE AND SORE? HOW CAN YOU HANDLE THAT?

This is one of those questions we get asked all the time. In this episode of Disordered, we're taking a look at how tension, soreness, twitches, and feelings of muscle weakness fit into the anxiety and recover picture.

Anxious, scared bodies are going to anxious, scared body things. That's how we're designed. There's nothing wrong with being medically checked, and once you've been cleared your job becomes acknowledging that tension and related issues are going to be part of this equation.

It's not the tension, the soreness, or the twitching that matters most. These are certainly impactful and unpleasant, but the part we care most about is the continued choice to focus on these sensations, ruminate on them, and attempt to frantically escape from them or force them to stop. That just makes things worse.

Once again, we find ourselves confronted with the difficult task of acknowledging in a compassionate way, then exercising the skills of letting go and willfully tolerating an unpleasant experience. Why? So we can learn that unpleasant doesn't automatically equal dangerous or catastrophic.

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Anxiety Recovery ... What Am I Supposed To Think About? (Ep 57) Apr 12, 2024

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"I know I'm not supposed to focus inward or engage with my anxious or intrusive thoughts, but what am I supposed to think about?!"

This week Josh and Drew answer an excellent question from a listener that hasn't really been asked before. What do you do when your anxious thoughts keep coming even when you don't want them to come, and when you insist that you MUST only focus outward because that's how recovery is done?

Spoiler alert ... if you're in the business of trying to stop your thoughts or never hear or notice them so you can perfectly focus outward to recover, you can get out of that business right now. Anxious thoughts focused on your internal state - thoughts about you and how you feel - are going to come no matter what we do. This is normal and expected for all humans.

The secret sauce here is in the continued practice of noticing those thoughts when they happen, seeing that they exist, and not launching into thought stopping or thought control responses. Its OK to have whatever thoughts your brain creates. See them, acknowledge that you are thinking like all humans do, refrain from judging and evaluating the thoughts as proper or improper, then do your best to bring them with you as you do life.

Is this frustrating at times? You bet it is. Be nice to yourself when you get frustrated and impatient with this process, and always remember that you simply cannot demand to not have a thought. Insisting that you must only think outward thoughts is a dead end and never works, so soften that stance, let your brain do its thing, and try not to treat your thoughts like they require control, management, or engineering.

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What Anxiety Recovery Lens Are You Looking Through? (Episode 56) Apr 05, 2024

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WHAT RECOVERY LENS ARE YOU LOOKING THROUGH?

This week Drew and Josh take a bit of an unexpected turn to explore ways that CBT and exposure-based approaches to recovery can fall short. Recovery can't always be about facing, accepting, exposures, and Claire Weekes. While we might not look to other models to unearth deeply hidden root causes for an anxiety disorder, other theoretical frameworks can be quite useful - or even necessary - to conceptualize why one might encounter obstacles in the recovery process itself.

In this episode, the guys so a little Transactional Analysis role play, drag the venerable Carl Rogers into the recovery forum, and generally provide different ways of looking at how you see yourself and what recovery lenses you might be looking through.

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Help! My Nervous System Is Dysregulated! (Episode 55) Mar 29, 2024

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MY NERVOUS SYSTEM IS DYSREGULATED!

This week Drew and Josh get up close and personal with "nervous system dysregulation". This is a term that might have some benefit when dealing with issues like stress management or general wellness, but goes straight off the rails into the unhelpful zone when it comes to anxiety disorders.

Declaring an anxious state to be a state of dysregulation might be defended from a semantics standpoint. Operationally however, when we insist that our internal states must be labeled as problems that must be fixed, this can and most times does backfire by activating the threat detection and response system that we're trying so hard to deactivate. The attempt to regulate winds up having the opposite result. Welcome to anxiety paradox number 10,641.

Imagine stepping on the accelerator pedal in your car (insisting that you must find ways to extinguish your internal experience) then immediately looking for ways to slow the car down because going fast doesn't feel right. Now imagine what might be possible if you saw your nervous system as responding as designed to a perceived threat.

Is it the nerves that must be addressed, or that off-kilter threat scanning and response routine?

If you've been trying to find ways to hack your nervous system or force it into some kind of acceptable "regulated" state, and that's proving to be frustrating or disheartening for you in your recovery, this episode is for you.

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The Great OCD Whistle Stop Tour of 2024 (Episode 54) Mar 22, 2024

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This week on Disordered we're taking a grand tour around the OCD loop! Josh and Drew talk about pure-O, somatic, and "traditional" obsessive compulsive disorder subtypes.

While not every possible theme and subtype can be covered in a short podcast episode, the guys touched on some of the more common themes found in the community, taking care to address how regardless of the specific obsession, there are common characteristics that we can rely on when approaching recovery.

Keep in mind that OCD subtypes and themes often morph and overlap, and that related anxiety disorders often look a whole lot like OCD because there really is quite a bit of common ground between these mental health issues.

Coming soon ... follow-up episodes covering treatment for OCD, including guest appearances by some well known and respected OCD specialists.

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Inside The Mind of an Anxiety Therapist (Episode 53) Mar 15, 2024

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What Is Your Therapist Thinking While You're Talking?

Therapists are people too. They have feelings, opinions, insecurities, fears, and personality quirks. And they - like you - sometimes have an inner dialogue. If you ever wanted to know what goes on inside the mind of an anxiety therapist, this week Josh and Drew dig into this a bit, including a few moments where the guys exercise their drama and acting skills. Absolutely Oscar-worthy, so tune in.

As usual ... it's quite a scene.

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Did It Anyway - Part 2 (Episode 52) Mar 08, 2024

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This is the one-year anniversary episode of Disordered! We've been at this now for a full year, and we cannot be more grateful for all the support you guys have provided along the way.

What better way to mark a year of Disordered than with an episode dedicated entirely to celebrating the community surrounding this podcast? If you need some encouragement or inspiration in your recovery, listen in as we play and read "did it anyway" stories from our listeners and your peers.

Thanks to everyone who shares their stories with us. We appreciate them, and we're happy to share them when we can.

Now let's get on with year two, shall we?

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Neuropathways, Habits, and Anxiety (Episode 51) Mar 01, 2024

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What about all this "neuropathways" talk? What does it mean in anxiety recovery?

Funny that you asked! This week on Disordered Josh and Drew are talking about neuropathways, anxious habits, and how the concept of "building new neuropathways" applies in the context of anxiety disorders and anxiety recovery. Let's start by acknowledging that even counterproductive anxious habits are built atop pathways in the brain designed to make things easier for us. We can learn good habits and develop responses and behaviors that almost feel automatic because that's metabolically efficient and frees our thinking brains up to concentrate on more important things. But sometimes, this amazing mechanism is accidentally used to create anxious or avoidant responses and habits based on a misfiring of our threat detection systems. Are there neuropathways beneath habits designed to avoid or escape anxiety triggers? Yes, there are.

But the good news is that we can play an active role in building new neuropathways. New behavioral choices and new experiences can re-wire our brains, even in the case where we might be terrified of our own bodies and minds. The guys use a bunch of analogies (some clever, some not so clever) to illustrate how making new choices in responding to anxious thoughts and anxious sensations triggers the process of creating new neuropathways. The conversation also touches on the need for commitment and repetition in building these new pathways that support new behaviors, new habits, and a new relationship with anxiety and fear.

Tune in for this, the usual "did it anyways", questions from the community, and maybe even a surprise for Josh and his now trademark screaming American eagle sound effect. ;-)

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Anxiety Recovery, Re-Sensitization, and De-Sensitization (Episode 50) Feb 23, 2024

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OH NO! IT'S COME BACK!

The habits we develop and the neuropathways that get created by a disordered state of anxiety mean that even long into recovery, an anxious person might be re-triggered by life events, stress, memories, or any number of expected issues. This is normal. If this happens, we can feel things again ... anxiety, anxiety symptoms, and scary thoughts. This is not failure, or returning to square one, or "doing it wrong". This is being human and alive.

But exactly what has been re-triggered when this happens? How does a recovered person or nearly recovered person become re-sensitized to anxious sensations and thoughts? This week we're talking about how external events can re-trigger INTERNAL sensitization - the state where we treat how we feel and what we think as urgently important or even dangerous.

When suddenly re-sensitized, what then? As you might expect, this episode goes into detail about the process of de-sensitizing oneself to your internal state, which isn't a process at all. It's OK to be re-triggered. The trick here is to steer clear of the usual traps - looking for steps, tools, and techniques for making the feelings go away.

When re-sensitized, the object of the game is to de-sensitize as you did before by allowing, accepting, tolerating, and surrendering. Bring it all with you, do not launch into evasive action or retreat rituals, and you will likely find that de-sensitization happens much more quickly than you expect it to.

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Anxiety Recovery and "Burnout" (Episode 049) Feb 16, 2024

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BURNOUT!

Running out of gas and being emotionally, physically, and/or mentally drained can happen to any human. This week on Disordered Drew and Josh explore how an anxious mind can twist and distort the concept of burnout. In many ways, the fear of burning out, and the catastrophic interpretation of what that might mean, can be worse than burnout itself!

The guys explore different signs of burnout, how burnout comes in different shapes and sizes depending on context, and how obsession with and fear of burnout can mimic fear of depression or fear of the lack of enough or proper sleep.

Finally, Josh and Drew share some tips for avoiding burnout and taking care of oneself. As always, there are a couple of great questions and "Did It Anyways" from the community in this episode, so tune in!

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Anxiety and Compulsive Wellness (Episode 48) Feb 09, 2024

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Are you using wellness concepts, techniques, programs, and principles as a way to resist feelings of anxiety?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking care of oneself and wanting to be healthy physically, mentally, emotionally, and even spiritually. But in a large community of people struggling with disordered and chronic states of anxiety, compulsively seeking, chasing, and engaging in wellness rituals as a way to desperately stomp out any possibility of feeling anxious or uncomfortable can become a problem.

This week on Disordered we're looking at compulsive wellness, characterized by the assertion that one must be perfectly healthy, manage or micro-manage bodily functions and systems, and always be perfectly stable, optimized, and fully prepared to minimize the chances of being triggered into an anxious state. Especially in a social media climate jam-packed with body-centric and often less-than-reputable anxiety management or cure programs, it can be easy to be drawn into the compulsive wellness cycle.

If you find yourself there and trying to break out, know that you're not doing anything wrong, its OK to want to feel better, and even if you stop desperately chasing every wellness hack you come across, you can still be OK.

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Anxiety And The Inward Compulsion (Episode 047) Feb 02, 2024

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The default state for most humans - to varying degrees - is for the brain to launch into inward thinking and inner dialogue when there's nothing else to pay attention to. If you're struggling with chronic or disordered anxiety, this can become a real issue and a major struggle.

This week we're looking at the inward compulsion. That fear-driven habit of not only having thoughts, but answering them, engaging with them, checking in on them, and inviting them in for lengthy conversations that go on endlessly and drive anxiety and more discomfort.

Can you stop the inward compulsion? Well, that's complicated. You can't stop your brain from making thoughts. That's just what brains do. But you can work on building a new relationship with those thoughts and refusing to engage with them or feel them with the attention they so crave when your brain thinks it needs to keep you safe.

Over time, the inward compulsion stops being a compulsion and your regular, non-anxious relationship with your thoughts and inner dialogue (which will vary from person to person) goes back to a "regular" state where even a highly active inner dialogue simply exists without posing an obstacle in your life or causing significant struggle or disruption.

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Anxiety Recovery: Worse Before Better? (Episode 46) Jan 26, 2024

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"Is it normal for my symptoms, or thoughts, or my anxiety to get worse when I start engaging in recovery?"

Even Dr. Claire Weekes acknowledged this experience when writing about recovery many years ago. This week on Disordered we're talking about feeling MORE when you stop hiding from anxiety. This is often misinterpreted as "getting worse" but feeling more doesn't mean your anxiety, your symptoms, or your thoughts are getting worse.

It's OK to feel things. The recovery process is about learning how to get better at feeling things. You can feel all the things and still be safe. xx

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What Does Anxiety Therapy Look Like? (Episode 45) Jan 19, 2024

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"What does anxiety therapy look like?"

"What goes on in a session with an anxiety specialist?"

"How can I find the right therapist for me?"

This week Drew and Josh address these questions, including a really interesting 12-minute mock therapy session to start the episode. Josh plays the therapist while Drew is the client struggling with panic and extreme levels of anxiety. It's role play, but it does give a reasonable idea of what a first session with an anxiety specialist might look and sound like.

The guys also talk about different modalities in therapy (treatment styles or methods), the value of being able to bring different therapy concepts to bear on different problems, and the need to have at least some level of connection and relationship with a therapist to get the most from the endeavor.

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Anxiety and Menopause w/Helen Bennett (Episode 44) Jan 12, 2024

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But what about hormonal issues, perimenopause, and menopause???!!!

This is a question that we are asked all the time, and rightfully so. This week we're joined by Helen Bennett, a qualified UK psychotherapist specializing in supporting people who are dealing with fertility challenges and struggling with the menopause transition.

This episode is chock full of excellent information about the experience of menopause and how it can so closely mirror chronic anxiety and the symptoms of an anxiety disorder. We also chat about how these things can and often do overlap, strategies for getting a handle on how or if hormonal changes are impacting your mental health, and ways to approach this natural but often highly challenging part of life.

Thanks so much to Helen for taking the time to chat with us about this important issue. We needed some expert help on this one, and Helen was kind enough to come through for us. We'll have her back on for more in the future for sure.

To find Helen online, visit her website:

https://www.themenopausetherapist.com/

To find The Counsellor's Staff Room (mentioned in the episode as a resource for therapists and counselors in the UK):

https://www.counsellors-staffroom.co.uk/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/counsellors.staffroom

Other links mentioned in this episode:

Balance website for information on menopause and HRT: https://www.balance-menopause.com/
Balance app for recording symptoms: https://www.balance-menopause.com/balance-app/
Current NICE Guidelines: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng23
New NICE Guidelines currently under consultation (anyone can review and comment): https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/indevelopment/gid-ng10241/consultation/html-content-2
NHS information on menopause: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/menopause/

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Anxiety About Not Being Anxious? (Episode 043) Jan 05, 2024

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Do you ever get anxious ... because you're not feeling anxious?

This is a real thing in our community! Anxious people who begin to experience moments where anxiety and agitation fade into the background will often find themselves becoming anxious because they're not feeling anxious!

This week Drew and Josh explore this confusing but all too common anxiety recovery issue. The discussion includes:

How old anxious brain habits die hard.
Why it is normal to immediately worry that feelings of calm will not last.
Treating yourself as fragile to keep the anxiety from "coming back".
The importance of recognizing non-anxious moments as indicators of recovery rather than harbingers of doom.

As usual, the episode includes a combination of professional experience, training, knowledge, and personal experience alongside a dash of good humor and a few reminders about the need to be patient and kind with yourself to keep "Craig the critic" at bay.

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Is Anxiety Recovery About Healing ... Or Learning? (Episode 42) Dec 29, 2023

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"Healing" is a VERY popular word in self-help, mental health, and wellness circles. For many, this word resonates. For our friends struggling to overcome chronic and disordered anxiety, it can sure feel like there's healing to do.

But what if recovery wasn't all about healing? What if there was as much learning as there is healing in the process? Or what if the healing part doesn't always look the way you think healing looks and feels?

This week Josh and Drew are deconstructing the idea of "healing" in anxiety recovery. Are we saying that healing isn't a thing? Of course not! Everyone gets to pick the syntax and the words that resonate most for them. Surely there is some healing happening in some way. But when healing fuels and drives compulsive or ritualized recovery, or drives one into an endless loop of demanding to feel "properly healed", things can go off the rails quickly. This episode is designed to make you think a bit about the roles of healing and learning in recovery, and how you might be glued to words that aren't always serving you well.

As always, a healthy dose of flexibility and patience is required as part of this discussion and as part of the recovery process as a whole. Never forget that these questions can be confusing, there isn't always a definite answer to be had, and in the absence of patience and self-compassion this kind of thing can accidentally make you feel like you're doing it wrong or that you have to work harder to achieve "perfect" recovery. Beware of that trap at all times!

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Exercise, Gym, and Exertion Anxiety (Episode 41) Dec 24, 2023

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Anxiety triggered by exercise, exertion, or being in the gym is a common struggle for anyone dealing with issues like panic attacks, agoraphobia, or any anxiety disorder that places a focus on physical anxiety symptoms or feelings of shame, inadequacy, or embarrassment.

This week Drew and Josh share not only a professional take on this aspect of anxiety, but their own lived experience struggling with exercise, exertion, feelings they didn't want to feel, and sometimes wanting to run and hide while in the gym with others. As usual, the guys offer some familiar advice when it comes to how to navigate through these anxious moments, assurance about why anxiety doesn't make exercise dangerous for you, and a healthy reminder about being kind and compassionate to yourself as you work through all of this.

The challenge is real, but you can do it!

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Productivity Anxiety (Episode 040) Dec 15, 2023

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Productivity anxiety is an often overlooked subject in our community, so this week Drew and Josh are taking a look at anxiety triggered by an obsession with productivity and the fear of "failure" as defined by not meeting extreme productivity or output goals.

This can show itself almost anywhere in life. Work and career. School and academics. Parenting. Building perfect relationships. Even recovery from an anxiety disorder can be impacted by the drive to do recovery perfectly or to be highly productive in recovery by maximizing every moment to recover properly or as quickly as possible.

Productivity anxiety can also show itself as a need to be constantly busy and pre-occupied in an effort to remain distracted from anxious thoughts or sensations.

Join us to explore this less common but nonethess important topic.

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Anxiety And The Holiday Season (Episode 39) Dec 08, 2023

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This week Josh and Drew are talking about anxiety related to the holiday season. This time of year presents extra challenges for people in our community, regardless of which holidays you celebrate, and even if you don't celebrate any holidays! Let's take a look at the added pressures of the holiday season, how that's likely to show up for an anxious person, the need to remain aware of this impact, and why sometimes faking it until you make it can make a difference!

As always, we're talking about being kind to yourself and being patient with yourself. Craig The Critic loves getting loud during this time of year, so resisting the urge to join in with his nonsense is something you can work on doing for yourself. This time of year can be challenging, but you can handle it. You always do.

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Generalized Anxiety Disorder - GAD (Episode 038) Dec 01, 2023

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This week we're discussing GAD - Generalized Anxiety Disorder. GAD generates the most confusion in the community around Disordered, so we took some time to address a few important issues:

What is GAD and what isn't it?
Does being anxious all day mean you have GAD?
What are some of the underlying processes that drive GAD?
What about worry and rumination?

In the end, much of GAD is driven by excessive worry and rumination that creates an anxious state when it is directed at problems that can't be solved or don't need to be solved. GAD will demand that you ask questions that don't need to be asked, or engage in overplanning, worrying, and ruminating that you might think you shouldn't or can't walk away from.

Overcoming GAD is about recognizing some of these thinking and behavioral habits, then taking "risks" by leaving worries unanswered, questions unasked, things unfinished or open-ended, and problems unsolved. Sound hard? It is! But hard and impossible are not the same things.

Special thanks to Batman and Bane for pitching in on our opening, and to our friend Elizabeth Lyons for making a cameo appearance as the "Someone call the Ruminator!" woman. Top-notch acting right there.

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Anxiety Questions From The Listeners (Episode 037) Nov 24, 2023

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ANXIETY QUESTIONS FROM OUR LISTENERS

This week Josh and Drew are answering questions sent in by the listeners. The community around this podcast is amazing! Your feedback, questions, and “did it anyway” stories are a bit part of making Disordered what it is. On this episode, the guys answer these questions:

What do you do when a busy job triggers anxiety and drags you back into doing compulsions again
What advice do you have for irritability as a result of anxiety?
What can you do when big life events create anxiety?
Do you have advice for health anxiety where you fear manifesting the diseases you fear?
Can you recover regardless of age?
What triggers the amygdala?
What can you do when the social media scroll/algorithm is targeting your triggers and making you anxious?

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Anxiety And Brain Fog (Episode 036) Nov 17, 2023

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BRAIN FOG!?!?!

One of the most common symptoms of anxiety reported in the community surrounding this podcast is "brain fog". That thing where your brain just isn't working the way you'd expect it to work. Maybe you're slow, have memory issues, or struggle to find proper words or names. Maybe you just feel "out of it" or like you're in a dissociated state. Brain fog is very common, very subjective, difficult to describe, and often disruptive.

But as with any anxiety symptom, brain fog is not dangerous, not indicative of some horrible brain injury, and not worthy of special tips, tricks, or methods to make it go away or stop it from happening. The way out of brain fog ... as usual ... is through it. Today Josh and Drew talk about how being patient with yourself, kind to yourself, and resisting the urge to hit the panic button when you feel foggy, is the best way to learn how to tolerate and function even when feeling this way.

Yes, this means that the way out is learning through practice and experience that you might not be functioning in an optimal state, but you're still functioning and that's OK.

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Anxiety And The Fear of Losing Control (Episode 035) Nov 10, 2023

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Fear of losing control - and suffering some horrible consequence - is one of the top five core fears found in anxiety disorders. This week Drew and Josh delve into the fear that you may lose control and why this fear seems important and very real but isn't any different than any other expression of a misguided and misfiring threat response.

We look at different OCD themes that focus on the loss of control, how fear of losing control fuels monophobia (fear of being alone), and what horrible disasters anxious brains attach to losing control. Of particular note is a discussion about how even when you are sure you are out of control or are about to lose all control, you still have agency and the ability to make choices.

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Anxiety and Irritable Bowel Syndrome/GI Issues w/Dr. Sula Windgassen (Ep 034) Nov 03, 2023

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When anxious, stressed, or afraid, the gut and GI tract are almost instantly impacted. This is true for a huge number of people, anxious or not. This week Josh and Drew are joined by health psychologist Dr. Sula Windgassen to talk about anxiety and IBS. Dr. Sula specializes in a cognitive behavioral approach to supporting people struggling with IBS, Crohn's, colitis, other GI issues, and other chronic illnesses.

In this episode we're talking about:

The real nature of the gut-brain connection
Validating the fact that anxiety can and often does have a real physical impact on the GI tract
How anxiety can not only trigger these issues but can also make them worse than they have to be based on magnified fears surrounding these physical responses
How a cognitive-behavioral approach is beneficial when struggling to get a grip on the intersection of anxiety and IBS/gut issues.

Find Dr. Sula online:

Instagram (@the_health_psychologist_)

All Dr. Sula's Links

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Sound Sensitivity and Misophonia w/Dr Jane Gregory (Ep 033) Oct 27, 2023

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Extreme sensitivity to sound and misophonia (yes, it has a name) is a topic that doesn't get nearly enough attention in the mental health community so this week on Disordered we were lucky enough to have Dr. Jane Gregory stop by to talk about this often under-represented challenge.

Dr. Jane has struggled with misophonia since childhood so not only is she academically and professionally well-versed in the topic, she's lived this experience herself. Dr. Jane has immersed herself in misophonia research which is revealing some amazing insights into this issue and how it can be addressed by clinicians, and has even written a book on the topic ("Sounds Like Misophonia").

Today's discussion touches on not just anxiety triggered by sound, but also on the emotional, social, familial, and cultural impacts of this issue. People struggling with misophonia can often find themselves feeling isolated, and questioning themselves when triggered. Misophonia sufferers may find themselves confused as to why it feels like there are misophonia and non-misophonia versions of themselves.

Even if you do not struggle with misophonia or extreme sound sensitivity, this episode is worth a listen because it is chock-full of great information applicable across many of the topics we cover on Disordered.

Oh, and apologies for the fact that Josh was out rubbing elbows on celebrity podcasts rather than recording, and for the absence of the now traditional screaming American eagle sound effect in this one. I'm sure he'll bring it back next week. ;-)

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Maintaining Momentum in Anxiety Recovery (Episode 032) Oct 20, 2023

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"How can I maintain momentum in recovery when I have a setback or I don't feel motivated?"

This is a very common question asked in our community so this week on Disordered we're addressing the topic of momentum in the anxiety recovery process. We relay some of our own experiences with recovery momentum and what it looked like for us, and we touch on some common issues related to momentum and motivation in recovery:

There is no linear "perfect" recovery. It's OK to make mistakes. We need to make those mistakes in order to learn!
Momentum is often about fully embracing a commitment to challenging anxiety and the thoughts, doubts, sensations, and inner criticism that come with it.
REST is part of maintaining momentum! You're not going to break your recovery if you take time to rest and recharge when needed.
Motivation is not required before acting. It's OK to feel unmotivated. Sometimes we have to act even when we feel that way. A feeling of motivation sometimes comes after the action.
Being afraid to "lose progress" is a common reason why some people stop or stall in recovery.
Thoughts about never getting better are still just thoughts. When we have those thoughts we must be mindful to not glue ourselves to them and let them dictate our actions.

As always we have a couple of "did it anyways" and we answer a question about anxiety that comes in "waves".

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Social Anxiety (Episode 031) Oct 13, 2023

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This week we're taking a look at social anxiety, which is the anxiety disorder that belongs in that classification, but also kinda doesn't because it can often be more complex than related forms of chronic and disordered anxiety.

Social anxiety is often misunderstood as "extreme shyness" or "fear of being judged", but there can be much more to it so join us as we explore some of the more common broad-brush themes associated with social anxiety. We can't crack the code of everyone's social anxiety in a podcast episode, but if you struggle in situations where you have to be around others or interact with others, this episode can be helpful in explaining what may be happening "under the hood" of your anxious response.

This episode also references two episodes of Drew's podcast, "The Anxious Truth". You can find them here:

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Does The Body Keep The Score In Anxiety Disorders? (Episode 030) Oct 06, 2023

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This week on Disordered we examine the somatic trauma narrative in relation to anxiety disorders.

This is a tricky topic. We ALWAYS want to validate and support our friends who are struggling to work through trauma. That struggle is real and cannot be minimized or dismissed. In the right context for someone working through trauma, somatic conceptualizations can be highly impactful in a really positive way. No doubt!

At the same time, we must also acknowledge that while somatic conceptualizations of trauma applied to anxiety disorders can be informative and empowering, they just shouldn't be seen as universally applicable, especially when interacting with highly suggestible and vulnerable individuals in a sensitized state for whom those narratives simply may not apply.

Trauma survivors are deserving of representation and advocacy in the mental health community, but so are members of the anxiety disorder community who are sometimes harmed by misapplied and overgeneralized somatics narratives. This week we've done our best to provide a balanced look at this issue that we hope sheds some light on the topic for anyone confused by this issue.

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I Have Anxiety and I'm Afraid To Be Alone! (Monophobia) (Episode 029) Sep 29, 2023

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This week Josh and Drew tackle "monophobia" - the fear of being alone. This is VERY common among people with panic disorder and agoraphobia. It presents most often as an intense fear and avoidance of being left home alone without safe people nearby or as always needing safe people with you before you can do exposures or go into areas where your anxiety might be triggered.

This fear is not a special or "another" fear that you have to overcome. Monophobia is what we call it when you are sure that you cannot tolerate or handle the experience of anxiety while alone and will need to be rescued or saved from that experience. It's another expression of the same fear .... the fear of fear.

In this episode, we talk about the fear of being alone (monophobia) and discuss ways to address it as part of your overall recovery strategy.

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Sleep Anxiety. I'm Anxious About My Sleep!!!! (Episode 028) Sep 22, 2023

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I'm having problems with my sleep and I'm super anxious about it. HELP!

Anxiety focused on sleep and sleep problems is one of the most common complaints in the Disordered community. Often, anxious people experience sleep disturbances or even periods of insomnia and wind up extremely anxious and afraid over this issue. Lack of sleep gets attached to fears about being even more anxious, never being able to recover, not being strong enough to resist anxious thoughts, or doing some actual physical or mental damage.

This week on Disordered, Josh and Drew explore sleep and sleep-focused anxiety to ease some common misconceptions about sleep anxiety. The guys examine the usual suspects (resistance, avoidance, and compulsive problem-solving) as keys when approaching sleep-related anxiety.

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Anxiety and Self-Compassion w/Kimberley Quinlan (Episode 027) Sep 15, 2023

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This week we have our first official guest on Disordered! Our friend and highly respected anxiety/OCD expert Kimberley Quinlan is here to help us explore and understand the role of self-compassion in the anxiety recovery process.

Kim literally wrote the book on self-compassion when it comes to OCD recovery. There's nobody we know that speaks more knowledgeably and eloquently on this topic. Give this one a listen. There's a ton of good stuff in here you can use in your journey.

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Anxiety: Overthinking, Worry and Rumination (Episode 026) Sep 08, 2023

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Are you a worrier? Overthinker? Can't stop ruminating? Do you use thinking as your go-to problem-solving and protection tool, then hate that you can't stop thinking? This week Josh and Drew tackle worry, overthinking, and rumination. This is a topic near and dear to many anxious people in our community so it's high time we talk about it.

We'll talk about what overthinking, worry and rumination really are, why it seems like you should overthink or worry, and why this is just an anxious, frightened mind demanding that you problem-solve to stay safe. In the end, does thinking actually do anything but fool us into thinking that we're doing something? Tune in to find out!

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What Would Non-Anxious You Do? (Episode 025) Sep 01, 2023

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This week Josh and Drew do a deep dive into this million dollar question:

"What would non-anxious you do?"

The concept of "non-anxious you" and connecting to the way you would live your life if you were not accommodating the fear of fear is powerful. Josh talks about this all the time, and for good reason! Today we take a look at why acting like non-anxious you might act (even when you're clearly anxious) is so helpful.

The guys also chat about how the idea of "non-anxious you" can lead you down the path that re-connects you with yourself, even when you feel like you're not even sure who you are and what you like any more.

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Did It Anyway! - Round 1 (Episode 024) Aug 25, 2023

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This week on Disordered we kick off a new feature. From time to time we'll do episodes that are entirely community-based, showcasing "did it anyway" stories from listeners. In this episode we take a closer look at a few of these stories, examining exactly what made them into big wins. We had a great time with this one and we hope you find it inspirational and encouraging to hear from your peers.

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Anxiety Recovery: What Is White Knuckling And How Do I Stop Doing It? (Ep 023) Aug 18, 2023

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White knuckling. What is it? Why do we use that phrase all the time in the context of anxiety recovery? This week Drew and Josh talk about what "white knuckling" means in recovery, why it's a natural and expected part of the process for almost everyone, and how to kindly and compassionately take small incremental steps toward letting go of your tight grip.

How do you stop white-knuckling and holding on so tightly when anxious and afraid? A little bit at a time. :-)

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Anxiety Recovery: Relapse ... setback ... and reversion (Episode 022) Aug 11, 2023

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This week on Disordered Josh and Drew address the topic of setback or relapse. What is it? Does it even exist, or is a "setback" just another experience along the way to recovery? Of special note is the concept of "reversion" which frames this issue not as failure or return of some anxiety monster, but as a return to hold habits. Did you get triggered and fall back into old habits? No problem! You're human like everyone else and this can happen to all of us. When you see that you're back in those old habits, now you can make new choices and "get back on that horse".

Being triggered or feeling intense anxiety after having a long break is certainly discouraging and disappointing. You're allowed to have emotions about that. Just don't set up permanent residence in "It's back, I'm powerless, and I've failed" land. That's not fair to you.

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Anxiety Recovery: Is Distraction A Good Plan? (Episode 021) Aug 04, 2023

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This week on Disordered Josh and Drew tackle the topic of distraction. Trying to find ways to distract yourself when anxious is a common and popular strategy, but is it a good strategy? The answer is no ... and yes!

In this episode, we look at how distraction is almost always going to be part of the equation no matter what we do, why intent matters, and how using distraction as a way to focus on something other than how you feel teaches us important recovery lessons.

Bonus: Listen to Josh and Drew do an epic role-play where Josh plays the triggered amygdala and Drew plays the wise mind guiding us through acknowledgment and intentional focus. Distraction ... used in a positive way!

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Anxiety and Depersonalization / Derealization (Ep. 020) Jul 28, 2023

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Depersonalization and Derealization - AKA "DP/DR"

This week Drew and Josh get into the nuts and bolts of this most common anxiety and stress response. This is the sense that you're not real, that you're detached from yourself, or that the world around you suddenly feels unreal or out of reach. As scary as this experience is, and as much as it is difficult to face, it is not permanent or dangerous and can't actually harm you. Adopting a more accepting and tolerant approach to DP/DR - allowing it to be there without fighting so hard or trying to figure it out - helps your brain learn that it's OK to leave it alone.

Over time this means you're not really frightened of the sensation any longer which makes it far less likely to hang around like it does now.

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I'm Obsessed With Anxiety And Anxiety Recovery! (Ep 019) Jul 21, 2023

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I'm obsessed with anxiety and anxiety recovery!

This week on Disordered Josh and Drew examine what happens when we become obsessed with anxiety and then obsessed with anxiety recovery. This is a thing that happens to many in this community, so it's worth examining. As usual, we share our own personal experiences with anxiety and recovery, then we throw in our professional knowledge and experience alongside the usual dose of humor and compassion. It's a good listen!

Oh, and this one has more yummy quotes per minute than any other podcast episode ever recorded, so check it out.

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Driving Anxiety - Anxiety Experienced While Driving (Episode 018) Jul 14, 2023

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DRIVING ANXIETY!

This week on Disordered, Josh and Drew take a look at a very common concern in the anxiety disorder community - driving anxiety. Many many people that suffer from panic disorder, agoraphobia, OCD, and other anxiety disorders often experience intense anxiety or even full-scale panic attacks when driving or when driving under certain circumstances or conditions.

We'll talk about what driving anxiety is, a slightly more productive and less overwhelming way to frame it as not a special form of anxiety, some of the most common fears associated with driving anxiety, and how to best address this issue. As usual, the episode combines professional experience, clinical knowledge, our own lived experiences, a bit of humor, and plenty of understanding and compassion.

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Health Anxiety (Episode 017) Jul 07, 2023

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This week on Disordered, Drew and Josh tackle the topic of health anxiety. Health anxiety is an obsession with one's physical or mental health that drives a continuous series of compulsions designed to soothe the fear, uncertainty, and worry about well-being and safety.

The episode covers intolerance of uncertainty, repetitive compulsive checking and seeking of reassurance, and how leaning into probability and reality rather than fear is the way out. As usual, the guys share some of their own personal struggles with health anxiety, along with a healthy serving of compassion, humor, and professional expertise.

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But HOW Do I Accept Anxiety? (Episode 016) Jun 30, 2023

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Accepting anxiety and acceptance are two of the most difficult to grasp and misapplied concepts in the entire anxiety recovery sphere. This week on Disordered, Josh and Drew dig into the idea of acceptance.

What is accepting? How do I accept anxiety? What happens when I accept? What things are most certainly NOT acceptance?

As usual, this episode combines professional knowledge and training, professional experience, personal lived experience, and big helpings of both compassion and humor to shed some light on an important part of the anxiety recovery process. We hope you find it useful in some way.

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My Loved Ones Don't Understand My Anxiety (Episode 015) Jun 23, 2023

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My Loved Ones Don't Understand My Anxiety

This week on Disordered Drew and Josh talk about how anxiety disorders have impact not just on the person struggling to recover, but on the people close to them. When your loved ones want to help you, but just don't understand or "get it", this can cause frustration, conflict, and even anger and resentment. The guys talk about how our loved ones can be helpful, and how we can help them to help us in recovery. This is a great episode to share with someone close to you that might be frustrated by your anxiety struggles and looking for guidance.

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Anxiety and Depression (Episode 014) Jun 16, 2023

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This week on Disordered Drew and Josh look at the ways that anxiety and depression are tied together. The guys examine depression, how it is and isn't connected to anxiety, and the very important difference between being depressed and developing a fear of becoming depressed (this is very common in our community). We talked about rumination and the inner critic as they relate to depression. We touched on the role of medication in treating depression and anxiety, and we examined how negative self-beliefs can fuel both anxious and depressive states.

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Anxiety: ALL ... DAY ... LONG (Episode 013) Jun 09, 2023

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What if I'm anxious all day long?

This is a question we get asked almost daily. This week on Disordered let's take a look at being anxious all day long. In this episode, we'll address misconceptions about anxiety that hangs around all day long. We'll also share our own experiences with persistent anxiety. Finally, we get into a discussion about accidentally fueling the cycle of all-day anxiety and why trying to fix it is generally a bad plan. Grab a coffee or tea and join us!

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ANXIETY: Morning and Night (Episode 012) Jun 02, 2023

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This week on Disordered, Drew and Josh dive into two very popular topics in the anxiety community. The dreaded morning anxiety and the equally dreaded night anxiety.

Many people struggling with anxiety disorders will lament the fact that they experience elevated levels of anxiety in the morning or at night (or sometimes both) and will insist that this is special or different and there must be specific interventions for that "kind" of anxiety. This is understandable although generally misguided. This episode talks about the ins and outs of morning and night anxiety, looking at basic concepts that govern how each is approached. As usual, the guys both share some of their own experiences with anxiety, both in the morning and in the evening.

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Intrusive Thoughts ... Just Thoughts? (Episode 011) May 26, 2023

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This week on Disordered, Josh and Drew discuss scary, unwanted, recurring, intrusive thoughts that can frighten us and trigger high levels of anxiety and discomfort. The guys talk about the many different themes that intrusive thoughts cover including thoughts about harm, sexuality and sexual orientation, relationships, health, death, and existential issues. While intrusive thoughts are usually associated with OCD, they are generally present for almost anyone that struggles with any anxiety disorder.

This episode also examines the idea that "thoughts are just thoughts", which is true, but doesn't really accurately validate the intense anxiety and threat response that so many unwanted intrusive thoughts can trigger. Josh and Drew also discuss the idea that you cannot decide to not have thoughts, and that having disturbing or scary thoughts does not mean you are broken or a horrible person, even when the thoughts themselves are telling you that.

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Anxiety Recovery: The Attitude Shift (Episode 010) May 19, 2023

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This week on Disordered, Josh and Drew talk about the all-important attitude shift that has to happen as part of recovery from an anxiety disorder. Recovery is spearheaded by behavioral change but that behavioral change also has to foster an attitudinal shift that moves you from trying to eliminate your anxiety to a consistent intentional tolerance of discomfort that will teach you that you can handle anxiety and don't have to fear it any longer. That's a key step toward decreasing your anxiety levels over time and a shift in attitude is important in this respect.

You'll also hear both Josh and Drew have realizations about the missing attitudinal shift that kept both of them stuck in the early stages of recovery. The guys both come to the conclusion that the "relapses" they experienced were based primarily on relying on technique without allowing that important shift in attitude.

If you're feeling like you're constantly being pulled back to "square one" this might resonate with you.

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Anxiety Recovery: Who Gets The Credit? (Episode 009) May 12, 2023

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In this episode of Disordered, Josh and Drew discuss why recovery is so dependent on learning that when you handle anxiety, fear, and uncertainty, YOU GET THE CREDIT FOR DOING THAT. Recovery hinges on seeing, then dropping all the safety devices and rituals so you can see through actual experience that YOU handled the discomfort without needing anything or anyone to save you.

The guys talk about the idea of unconditional OK-ness, and learning that in all the time that you've been searching for tools and techniques and methods for managing your anxiety, it's always just been you getting the job done. All those other things deserve no credit because in the end, you are all you need and you are capable even without all the magic things that you think protect you.

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Anxiety ... Body vs Mind (Episode 008) May 05, 2023

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This week on Disordered, Drew and Josh look at the relationship between body and mind when it comes to anxiety. Anxiety is absolutely something that one experiences physically, in the body, but the guys discuss how disordered states of anxiety are driven by interpretation and cognition. Highlights include a chat about how so many people experience things like scary thoughts and panic attacks without ever developing anxiety disorders, and an examination of how its the reaction to those experiences drive the disordered state.

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What Should I Say During A Panic Attack? (Episode 007) Apr 28, 2023

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WHAT SHOULD I SAY DURING A PANIC ATTACK?

"What is the best thing for me to say to myself during a panic attack?"

This week on Disordered, Josh and Drew talk about strategies for self-talk, framing statements, action prompts, and non-compulsive ways to talk to yourself during a panic attack or high anxiety spike. The guys spend some time addressing the myth that one needs to be "talked down" from a panic attack and also cover how these concepts can be useful when supporting a friend or loved one that's experiencing panic or high anxiety.

Remember that you're supposed to be scared during a panic attack - that's just the mechanism working as designed. Don't judge yourself harshly or negatively for that, and steer clear of trying to find magic words or phrases that will make it go away. That's more harmful than helpful in the long run.

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Panic ... Attack? (Episode 006) Apr 21, 2023

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IT SURE FEELS LIKE AN ATTACK ... BUT IS IT?

This week on Disordered Drew and Josh deconstruct the idea of a panic attack. It sure feels like you're being attacked, but are you? Is there a more useful and accurate way to frame what's happening? Do we find power when we stop looking at panic as a force that swoops in to attack us?

The guys chat about how a panic "attack" is really an adrenaline surge based on natural, expected, bodily functions. It's not dangerous and not indicative of an actual problem, just a misguided threat detection system in your brain. The conversation goes through why panic attacks are all the same from a physiology perspective and how its the context and the interpretation that makes them feel different or sometimes "worse".

This can be a really useful reframe for anyone struggling to overcome recurring panic attacks or panic disorder so grab a beverage and a comfortable chair and have a listen.

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The Symptoms of Anxiety: Does Anybody Else Get ...? (Episode 005) Apr 14, 2023

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The Symptoms of Anxiety

Anxious people often get completely fixated and consumed by the physical, mental, and emotional symptoms and sensations that come along with anxiety. It's natural to want to talk about them all the time and to keep asking "if anyone else gets" the symptom you are experiencing that scares you at the moment. This week on Disordered, Josh and Drew discuss anxiety symptoms, explaining that they are scary and uncomfortable, but not dangerous and not something to be avoided.

The guys, as usual, share their own experiences with scary and disruptive anxiety symptoms and they even end the episode with a little friendly rapid-fire competition to see who can name the most symptoms. Spoiler alert ... that segment comes complete with cheesy video game background music.

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The Threat Response (Episode 004) Apr 07, 2023

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This week on Disordered Drew and Josh walk you through the biological threat response and how it drives states of disordered anxiety. The guys cover the following important concepts that all anxiety sufferers should understand as part of the recovery process:

Anxiety is normal and needed in life. All humans experience anxiety.
The threat response system in your brain was designed to keep you alive at all costs. It served - and still serves - an important purpose.
Disordered anxiety states are generally driven by an over-sensitive threat response that fires and sounds alarms when it doesn’t have to - there is no danger.
Recovery is essentially about re-modulating that overactive threat response to bring it back into a healthy, normal state.
You can’t talk to the part of your brain in charge of the threat response. It doesn’t understand words. Only behavior and experience.
You have to SHOW your brain that you are safe, even when it is convinced that you are not.
It is a common mistake to interpret the sensations and experiences of the threat response as a sign that something is broken or wrong. You are not broken and nothing is wrong that needs to be fixed.

Josh and Drew both shared some of their own experiences with respect to how they interacted with the threat response to turn it down over time while they were both working on recovery from anxiety disorders. They did not heal their threat responses … they were teaching them.

As always, the guys answer questions from the community and share a few wins and success stories from listeners. Always inspiring!

Bonus content: Strudel and Copper both chime in today. Clearly, even dogs have opinions about the threat response and anxiety.

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How We Got Better (Episode 003) Mar 30, 2023

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Join Josh and Drew as they share their own experiences of anxiety recovery and what it means to get better when you're struggling with an anxiety disorder. Common themes in this episode include:

Eliminating avoidance
Choosing to willfully tolerate anxiety and the sensations/thoughts that come with it
Learning that you are capable of handling how you feel - even when highly anxious
Defining what it means to "get better" from an anxiety disorder

The guys also share listener victories and answer a question or two from the audience.

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What Kind Of Anxiety Do I Have? (Episode 002) Mar 30, 2023

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Drew and Josh take a whistle-stop tour of some of the most common forms of anxiety disorder. The guys take time to explain the difference between regular anxiety that all humans experience, and disordered anxiety which becomes a major life-impacting mental health issue. In this episode Josh and Drew talk about:

Panic Disorder
Generalized Anxiety Disorder
Agoraphobia/Monophobia
OCD
Health Anxiety
Social Anxiety

This episode also answers the question, "Is it normal to be afraid when thinking about or planning anxiety recovery?"

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You Know You're Anxious When .... (Episode 001) Mar 30, 2023

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Join us for the maiden voyage of Disordered! Josh and Drew talk about what it feels like to be an anxious person and offer a number of suggestions for signs that your anxiety might be more than just "regular" anxiety.

You know you're anxious when you're fixated on how you feel and what you think all day long.
You know you're anxious when you're suddenly afraid to do things you've been doing your whole life without thinking about them.
You know you're anxious when you troll Google for eight hours looking for anxiety cures.
You know you're anxious when you compulsively check your heart rate all day long.
You know you're anxious when ....

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Disordered: Anxiety Help (Podcast Trailer) Mar 27, 2023

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DISORDERED Is The Podcast With Anxiety Help From Two Anxiety Experts

Josh Fletcher and Drew Linsalata are both known for providing real, evidence-based, actionable information about anxiety and anxiety recovery. They’re friendly, they’re funny, and they each have a knack for combining lived experience, formal training, and professional experience into an encouraging, inspiring, kind, and compassionate mental health message.

What happens when they get together and turn on the microphones?

This happens. And we think you’re gonna really dig it.

Find us on the web at https://disordered.fm

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