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    Dev Interrupted

    Software itself is fundamentally changing. We explore the transition to agentic orchestration, vibe coding, and AI-native development, grounding the conversation in the principles that have always defined great engineering.

    On Tuesdays, we interview the founders, architects, and builders of the world’s most impactful tech to uncover the timeless engineering principles and strategies shaping the next era of development.

    And on Fridays, we drop an end-of-week roundup of the biggest news in AI and software, and what it actually means for your career, your craft, and your life as a developer.

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    The End of Specialization? How AI Shapes Modern Dev Teams | Vercel’s Lee Robinson May 06, 2025
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    Is front-end vs. back-end an antiquated way to structure engineering teams? With AI augmenting skills, a new model is emerging: the product engineer.

    This week, Andrew sits down with Lee Robinson, VP of Product at Vercel to crack open the future of the web. As a respected educator and voice in the webdev community (check out his YouTube!), Lee shares his unique perspective on building both cutting-edge tools and high-performing teams.

    As the VP of Product, Lee charts the evolution of developer roles and illustrates for us the rise of "product engineers" who own features end-to-end. Learn how AI tools are not just augmenting specialists but enabling designers, PMs, and founders to build "personal software." We also cover changing team dynamics and get Lee's advice on navigating the hiring process in the AI era, including: why personalization is key for candidates, how managers can spot authenticity (hint: AI-generated cover letters are obvious!), and why building in public is critical for career growth today.

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    • Beyond Copilot: What’s Next for AI in Software Development
    • Survey: Discover Your AI Collaboration Style

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    • Next.js: nextjs.org
    • v0 by Vercel: v0.dev

    Referenced in today's show:

    • This week in social, we noticed: AI
    • Duolingo has an AI mandate too
    • Google Just Launched an AI-Powered Duolingo Alternative
    • Intel CEO announces layoffs, restructuring, $1.5 billion in cost reductions, expanded return to office mandate | Tom's Hardware

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    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    AI Gets Eyes and Ears | LiveKit’s Russ d’Sa Apr 29, 2025
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    We've spent decades teaching ourselves to communicate with computers via text and clicks. Now, computers are learning to perceive the world like us: through sight and sound. What happens when software needs to sense, interpret, and act in real-time using voice and vision?

    This week, Andrew sits down with Russ d'Sa, Co-founder and CEO of LiveKit, whose technology acts as the crucial infrastructure enabling machines to interact using real-time voice and vision, impacting everything from ChatGPT to critical 911 responses.

    Explore the transition from text-based protocols to rich, real-time data streams. Russ discusses LiveKit's role in this evolution, the profound implications of AI gaining sensory input, the trajectory from co-pilots to agents, and the unique hurdles engineers face when building for a world beyond simple text transfers.

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    • AI Code Reviews: An Engineering Leader’s Survival Guide
    • Survey: Discover Your AI Collaboration Style

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    • X: x.com/livekit
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    Referenced in today's show:

    • The Rise of Slopsquatting: How AI Hallucinations Are Fueling a New Class of Supply Chain Attacks
    • Has the VSCode C/C++ Extension been blocked?
    • OpenAI tells judge it would buy Chrome from Google
    • Chain-of-Vibes | Pete Hodgson
    • Seattle crosswalk signals with deepfake Bezos audio may have been hacked with just a cellphone

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    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

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    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    The Shift to Agent-Driven API Consumption | Speakeasy’s Sagar Batchu Apr 22, 2025
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    Think building killer APIs like Stripe or Twilio is purely a technical feat? Think again.

    This week, we dive into why crafting successful APIs is fundamentally an organizational challenge, demanding internal excellence long before code is deployed. Sagar Batchu, co-founder and CEO of Speakeasy, joins us to unpack the crucial role of ownership, design principles, and why even internal APIs benefit from treating them like first-class products. Discover how Conway's Law dictates your API's fate and why achieving that coveted developer experience starts with your company's structure.

    Getting these foundations right is more critical than ever, as the landscape now faces a dramatic shift with the rise of LLMs and agentic AI. This potentially multiplies API usage and introduces the concept of "Agent Experience" (AX), demanding even greater rigor around clear standards, documentation, and metrics like "Time to First 200." Sagar also explores the emerging Model Context Protocol (MCP) and explains why focusing on developer productivity today prepares you for the AI-driven future of tomorrow.

    Check out:

    • AI Features Demo: The Future of Productivity Is AI-Driven
    • Survey: Discover Your AI Collaboration Style

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    • Website: speakeasy.com
    • LinkedIn: Speakeasy
    • X: @speakeasydev

    Referenced in today's show:

    • It costs nothing to be polite unless you're talking to ChatGPT - then it costs tens of millions
    • Announcing the Agent2Agent Protocol (A2A) - Google Developers Blog
    • A Deep Dive Into MCP and the Future of AI Tooling

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    How Marketing Ruined Shift Left | Semgrep’s Tanya Janca Apr 15, 2025
    Show notes

    When it comes to securing software, most developers feel like they're playing catch-up instead of setting the rules.

    Tanya Janca (SheHacksPurple), author of "Alice and Bob Learn Secure Coding," brings her 28 years of IT and security expertise—spanning counter-terrorism to enterprise training—to Dev Interrupted. She unpacks the common pitfalls teams face when security is treated as an afterthought, highlighting the developer frustration of being held accountable for security without the tools or knowledge needed to succeed.

    Explore how transforming security from a final gate into an ongoing practice saves money, reduces conflict, and builds better software through clear requirements and true developer empowerment. Tanya provides concrete advice for developers and leaders on creating internal knowledge libraries, fostering continuous learning habits, and critically evaluating AI-generated code to ensure it meets security standards.

    Speaking of AI's growing role, we're curious how it's reshaping workflows across the industry. Share your own experiences with AI adoption by taking our quick survey to discover your spot on the adoption graph (and what you can do to level up).

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    • Beyond Copilot: Gaining the AI Advantage
    • Survey: Discover Your AI Collaboration Style

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    • Website: SheHacksPurple
    • LinkedIn: Tanya Janca
    • Book: Alice and Bob Learn Secure Coding

    Referenced in today's show:

    • Shopify CEO says staffers need to prove jobs can’t be done by AI before asking for more headcount
    • Anthropic flips the script on AI in education: Claude’s Learning Mode makes students do the thinking
    • Celebrate 50 years of Microsoft with the company's original source code

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    How to Build AI Workflows You Can Trust | Infactory’s Brooke Hartley Moy Apr 08, 2025
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    Is your company rushing headlong into AI, only to find it's a 'square peg in a round hole'?

    This week, Andrew tackles the critical issue of building trust in AI systems with Brooke Hartley Moy, CEO and co-founder of Infactory.

    Brooke, with her experience at companies like Google and Samsung, cuts through the hype and reveals the biggest misconceptions businesses have about AI. We dive into the 'black box' problem, the importance of high-quality data, and why not all AI is created equal.

    From seating Matthew McConaughey in the rain to high-stakes medical decisions, we explore the crucial role of domain expertise and the need to move beyond LLM-centric thinking. If you're an engineering leader grappling with AI implementation, this episode is your essential guide to building trustworthy and impactful AI systems.

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    • The Future of Productivity Is AI-Driven

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    Referenced in today's show:

    • OpenAI declares AI race “over” if training on copyrighted works isn’t fair use
    • Exploring Generative AI - Birgitta Böckeler
    • AI is "tearing apart" companies, survey finds

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Amazon Q and The Future of Autonomous Development | AWS' Adnan Ijaz Apr 01, 2025
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    AI is evolving at a breakneck speed, leaving engineering leaders with a critical dilemma: innovate or fall behind. But how do you experiment with AI without risking your credibility?

    Andrew Zigler sits down with Adnan Ijaz, Director of Product Management for Next Gen Developer Experience at AWS, to unpack the power of AI agents. Together they discuss how to leverage autonomous AI in your development workflow, and learn from real-world examples like Amazon Q.

    Dive into the evolving role of the developer and discover how to mentor your AI, not just use it. It's time to shift from task-oriented coding to strategic architecture, and this episode shows you how.

    But first, co-host Dan Lines frames the conversation by discussing the shift towards measuring the concrete benefits of AI tools in development, rather than just their potential. Dan also provides examples of how to set realistic expectations for AI implementation by focusing on specific tasks and measuring both individual and workflow improvements, highlighting the need for overall workflow optimization.

    Check out:

    • Translating DevEx to the Board
    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks
    • Introducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStream

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    • Adnan Ijaz
    • Amazon Q Developer


    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Ditch the Ticket Factory Mentality | Cosmic Teacups’ Thanos Diacakis Mar 25, 2025
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    Imagine a world where your engineering team ships features at lightning speed, and they're genuinely happy doing it. Sounds like a fantasy? It doesn't have to be.

    This week, we're diving into the secrets of building high-performing, happy engineering teams with Thanos Diacakis, a fractional CTO and engineering coach with over 25 years of experience spanning companies like Uber, where he optimizes software engineering teams and drives technical innovation.

    Thanos reveals the common mental models that hold teams back, why 'technical debt' is a myth, and how to break free from the 'feature factory' mindset. Together, he and Andrew explore practical strategies for achieving engineering excellence, from mastering iterations to managing complexity, and discover how to build a culture where velocity and happiness go hand in hand.

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    • Translating DevEx to the Board
    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks
    • Introducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStream

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    • Thanos Diacakis
    • www.cosmicteacups.com

    Referenced in today's show:

    • FOSS infrastructure is under attack by AI companies
    • Programming is dying. Software development is booming.
    • 1 in 3 Americans say they have layoff anxiety

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Will AI Finally Make TDD Practical? | Diffblue’s Animesh Mishra Mar 18, 2025
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    The promise of Test Driven Development (or TDD) remains unfulfilled. Like many other forms of aspirational development, the practice has fallen victim to countless buzzword cycles. What if the answer is already in our toolbox?

    This week, host Andrew Zigler sits down with Animesh Mishra, Senior Solutions Engineer at Diffblue, to unpack the gap between TDD's theoretical appeal and its practical challenges.

    Animesh draws from his extensive experience to explain how deterministic AI can address the key challenges of building trust in AI for testing. These aren’t LLMs of today, but foundational machine learning models that can evaluate all possible branches of a piece of code to write test coverage for it. Imagine writing two years worth of tests for a legacy codebase… in two hours… with no errors!

    If you enjoyed this conversation about the gaps between theory and execution in engineering culture, be sure to check out last week's chat with David Mytton about shift left adoption by engineering teams.

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    • Translating DevEx to the Board
    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks
    • Introducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStream

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    • www.diffblue.com
    • X: diffbluehq
    • LinkedIn: Diffblue
    • Animesh Mishra

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    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Can You Buy Your Way to DevSecOps Success? | Arcjet’s David Mytton Mar 11, 2025
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    If you're tired of hearing "shift left" in DevSecOps and seeing little real change, you're not alone.

    In this episode, David Mytton (CEO of ArcJet, founder of Console.dev) breaks down why traditional approaches to developer security often fail. He reveals the core conflict between developers (who want to build fast) and security teams (who want to mitigate risk), and explains why this misalignment of incentives can be detrimental for your software. Learn why simply handing devs more security tools isn't enough.

    David shares his insights from years of experience reviewing developer tools and building security products. He discusses the importance of developer-centric design, the power of the right incentives, and the need for security solutions that seamlessly integrate into the developer workflow. Plus, he reveals the secrets to successful developer marketing and why traditional approaches often backfire.

    Tune in to discover how to foster a security-conscious culture within your engineering team, without stifling innovation or creating unnecessary friction. Learn how to empower developers to build secure software by design, and discover the tools and strategies that are shaping the future of DevSecOps.

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    • Translating DevEx to the Board
    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks
    • Introducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStream

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    • console.dev
    • arcjet.com

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Simplifying the AI Stack | IBM's Dr. Maryam Ashoori Mar 04, 2025
    Show notes

    This week, Andrew Zigler sits down with Dr. Maryam Ashoori, Senior Director of Product Management for watsonx at IBM. Together they discuss the evolving AI stack for enterprise and the growing skill gap challenging developers. Dr. Ashoori shares insights from a recent survey of 1,000 developers, highlighting the need for better tools and strategies to manage the growing AI tool sprawl.
    The conversation also explores the rise of AI agents, the potential of no-code AI development, and the future of software engineering in an AI-powered world.
    But first, co-host Dan Lines (COO of LinearB) sets the stakes for engineering leaders everywhere: the future of technical work will evolve with agentic capabilities. Must we all become “AI managers” now?

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    • 2025 Software Engineering Benchmarks Report
    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks
    • Introducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStream

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    • Maryam Ashoori
    • watsonx.ai

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
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