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    Dev Interrupted

    Software itself is fundamentally changing. We explore the transition to agentic orchestration, vibe coding, and AI-native development, grounding the conversation in the principles that have always defined great engineering.

    On Tuesdays, we interview the founders, architects, and builders of the world’s most impactful tech to uncover the timeless engineering principles and strategies shaping the next era of development.

    And on Fridays, we drop an end-of-week roundup of the biggest news in AI and software, and what it actually means for your career, your craft, and your life as a developer.

    Subscribe to stay ahead of the next era of code.

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    Why Are Teams Only Aligned During a Crisis? | CircleCI & MongoDB Feb 24, 2025
    Show notes

    This week, Ben and Andrew dive into the (surprisingly?) complex world of calculator apps, analyze how AI is revolutionizing the technical interview, and dissect the emerging “two-tier” economy around AI. What side of the curve does your org fall on?
    Then, the conversation goes on site to San Francisco, where host Dan Lines hosts Rob Zuber (CTO, CircleCI) and Tara Hernandez (VP of Dev Productivity at MongoDB) for a discussion of LinearB's 2025 Software Engineering Benchmarks Report.
    We unpack the report's surprising findings on the PR lifecycle, project management hygiene, DORA metrics, code quality, and predictability, with key takeaways for optimizing your engineering team's performance.
    Be sure to grab your copy of the report to follow along with Dan, Rob & Tara.

    Check out:

    • 2025 Software Engineering Benchmarks Report
    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks
    • Introducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStream

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    • Rob Zuber
    • Tara Hernandez

    Referenced in today's show:

    • "A calculator app? Anyone could make that."
    • ‘Two-tier’ AI economy is emerging between startups and corporations, with large organizations falling behind, AWS EMEA chief says
    • AI Killed The Tech Interview. Now What? | Kane Narraway
    • New Junior Developers Can’t Actually Code

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Can Your AI Strategy Be Future-Proof? | Galileo’s Vikram Chatterji Feb 18, 2025
    Show notes

    Ben and Andrew open the show by dissecting why AI can't see gorillas, how big banks are stepping up to attract tech talent, and why focus is becoming the must-have resource for devs.

    Then, Vikram Chatterji, co-founder and CEO of Galileo, joins Andrew for a discussion on how engineering leaders can future-proof their AI strategy and navigate an emerging dilemma: the pressure to adopt AI to stay competitive, while justifying AI spend and avoiding risky investments.

    To accomplish this, Vikram emphasizes the importance of establishing clear evaluation frameworks, prioritizing AI use cases based on business needs and understanding your company's unique cultural context when deploying AI.

    Check out:

    • 8 Habits of Highly Productive Engineering Teams
    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks
    • Introducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStream
    • Book a demo

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    • Vikram Chatterji

    Referenced in today's show:

    • Your AI can’t see gorillas
    • How banks caught up in the battle for developer talent
    • The skill of the future is not 'AI', but 'Focus'

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Why Teams Will Break This Year (and How to Fix Them) | Battery Venture’s Dharmesh Thakker Feb 11, 2025
    Show notes

    Live from San Francisco, Dev Interrupted explores the future of developer productivity with Ori Keren (CEO, LinearB) and Dharmesh Thakker (General Partner, Battery Ventures). The conversation, recorded before a live audience in San Francisco, examines the exciting possibilities and potential challenges of AI-powered tools, from code completion and review to the more advanced agentic AI.

    Moderated by Ben Lloyd Pearson, this episode captures the excitement of the event, including audience Q&A and feedback. Ori and Dharmesh share their insights on how these trends will shape the future of software development over the next 12 to 24 months, offering predictions and practical advice for engineering teams and leaders. Discover how these shifts will impact your work and the broader tech industry.

    Check out:

    • 8 Habits of Highly Productive Engineering Teams
    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks
    • Introducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStream
    • Book a demo

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    Follow today's guest:

    • Follow Dharmesh Thakker

    Referenced in today's show:

    • OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Says They've 'Been on the Wrong Side of History
    • Software development topics I've changed my mind on after 10 years in the industry
    • Chat is a bad UI pattern for development tools
    • NASA is going to do a Twitch stream from the ISS

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Hunting for a Flywheel | Refactoring’s Luca Rossi Feb 04, 2025
    Show notes

    To open the show, Ben and Andrew dive into the latest headlines about DeepSeek from last week. We answer questions like “why did everyone search ‘Jevons paradox'?” and discuss strategic AI investments from financial giants like Goldman Sachs. These moves underscore the growing importance of strong engineering leadership in the age of AI.

    Then, Luca Rossi of Refactoring joins us to discuss his latest research. Drawing from a comprehensive survey of engineering professionals (thanks to you!), Luca breaks down the key traits and practices of successful engineering teams, revealing surprising correlations between team happiness, shipping frequency, and recognition by non-technical leadership.

    Be sure to grab your copy of the report to follow along with today’s insights.

    Show Notes:

    • Dev Interrupted Survey
    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks
    • Introducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStream
    • Book a demo

    Follow the hosts:

    • Follow Ben
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    Follow today's guest:

    • Follow Luca

    Referenced in today's show:

    • IBM cashing in on AI
    • AI Stocks: How DeepSeek Changed Views On U.S.-China Artificial Intelligence Competition | Investor's Business Daily
    • William Stanley Jevons
    • Goldman Sachs hires Amazon exec in senior AI engineering role | Reuters


    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Low-Code Won’t Replace You | Camunda’s Bernd Ruecker Jan 28, 2025
    Show notes

    Ben and Andrew open the show by discussing the emergence of the DeepSeek AI model, Google's shakeup of the SEO landscape, and speculate on whether or not we're seeing the death of free APIs.
    Then, Ben sits down with Bernd Ruecker, Co-Founder and Chief Technologist at Camunda, to explore how low code solutions are changing the game for developers. They discuss how these tools allow developers to focus on more complex challenges, and delve into the importance of understanding when to leverage low code versus custom solutions, and the evolving role of developers in a world increasingly driven by automation.
    Finally, do us a favor and fill out the Dev Interrupted listener survey! You'll be our best friend forever :-)

    Show Notes:

    • Dev Interrupted Survey
    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks Workshop (Jan. 29, 30)
    • Follow Ben
    • Follow Andrew
    • Follow Bernd
    • Learn more at: camunda.com
    • Camundacon 2025

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    The Need for Speed | 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Jan 21, 2025
    Show notes

    Want to ship better software? Get in the fast lane.
    This week, hosts Ben Lloyd Pearson and Andrew Ziegler open the episode with a discussion of some of the tech topics dominating the news cycle like Microsoft's restructuring to focus on AI, a potential TikTok ban in the U.S. and a status check on New Year's resolutions.
    Then, joined by Dan Lines, they shift their focus to the 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Report by LinearB. This in-depth conversation explores the crucial link between developer experience and productivity, the impact of project management hygiene on development, and new metrics like PR maturity and project traceability.
    Within this data-driven discussion, uncover key insights on how smaller PRs boost velocity and quality, the connection between longer cycle times and increased change failure rates, and the ideal investment profiles for engineering teams.

    Show Notes:

    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks Workshop (Jan. 29, 30)
    • 2025 Engineering Benchmarks
    • Watch Rob Zuber (CircleCI) & Tara Hernandez (MongoDB) explore insights from the 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Report
    • Follow Ben
    • Follow Andrew

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Managing Developer Feedback Effectively | Atlassian’s Andrew Boyagi Jan 14, 2025
    Show notes

    Is your company relying on surveys alone to bridge the gap between developers and managers?
    In this episode of Dev Interrupted, host Ben Lloyd Pearson and Dan Lines, COO of LinearB, dive into the perceived misalignment between engineers and their leaders on improving developer experience. Together, they emphasize the importance of data-driven insights over relying solely on surveys, highlighting how quantifiable metrics can illuminate issues like technical debt and build times. The conversation also touches on the power of setting clear, company-wide goals to boost developer experience and productivity.
    Next, Conor Bronsdon, in his final episode as host, sits down with Andrew Boyagi, Atlassian's head of DevOps Evangelism. Andrew brings a wealth of knowledge on developer experience, emphasizing the need for transparency, the nuances of measuring productivity, and the crucial role of company culture in aligning development teams with business goals.

    Show Notes:

    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks Workshop (Jan. 29, 30)
    • 2025 Engineering Benchmarks
    • Follow Ben
    • Follow Conor
    • Follow Atlassian

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    The Hero Culture Trap | Sowmya Subramanian Jan 07, 2025
    Show notes

    How do you build a culture that balances operational excellence with developer happiness? By shifting from firefighting to foresight.

    Kick off Season 5 of Dev Interrupted with hosts Ben Lloyd Pearson, Andrew Zigler, and Dan Lines as they share their New Year's resolutions and welcome Sowmya Subramanian, whose leadership journey spans Google, YouTube, and Oracle, to the show. From redefining metrics like DORA to adapting processes like Fix-It Weeks, Soumya discusses dismantling the “hero” mindset that rewards firefighting, aligning engineering with business priorities, and creating rituals that scale teams without sacrificing creativity.

    Tune in to learn how Sowmya’s holistic approach to metrics, culture, and tooling creates resilient teams and products that scale without breaking a sweat.

    Show Notes:

    • Beyond the DORA Frameworks Workshop (Jan. 29, 30)
    • 2025 Engineering Benchmarks
    • Follow Sowmya
    • Follow Ben
    • Follow Andrew

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Season 4 Finale: A Fond Farewell, What’s Next & Would You Rather Dec 17, 2024
    Show notes

    It's the end of an era on Dev Interrupted as we say farewell to host Conor Bronsdon and welcome a fresh voice, Andrew Zigler!
    Join us for a nostalgic trip down memory lane as Conor revisits his favorite interviews and moments from Season 4 and beyond, including discussions on chaos engineering, technical debt, and the human side of managing software engineers. He shares memorable stories from guests like Charity Majors, Rob Zuber, Kelly Vaughn, and many more, while reflecting on the evolution of Dev Interrupted and its impact on the engineering leadership community.
    But it’s not all bittersweet. Get an exclusive sneak peek at the exciting changes coming to Dev Interrupted in 2025. Expect the show to double down on research and data, explore new formats, and even hit the road with live events. Plus, the Dev Interrupted Substack will feature more frequent newsletters, unique analysis of research white papers, and insights from guest writers.
    You don’t want to miss this special episode filled with laughter, reflection, and a surprise holiday-themed game of Would You Rather.
    The team is taking off the holidays but we’ll see you back here on January 7th for the start of Season 5!

    Show Notes:

    • 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Insights Webinar
    • Keep up with Conor: Substack
    • Listen to Conor at: Chain of Thought Podcast

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Developer Productivity Will Decline in 2025 | Predictions from LinearB’s Ori Keren Dec 10, 2024
    Show notes

    2025 will test every assumption about how engineering teams work.
    With the new year fast approaching Ori Keren, CEO of LinearB, has some bold predictions that might surprise you, like why developer productivity could actually go down in 2025.
    Yep, you read that right.
    As AI tools flood the market, we might see a dip in both productivity and creativity before the long-term benefits kick in. It’s a wake-up call for engineering leaders to rethink how they lead their teams.
    Ori dives into the trends that’ll dominate:
    - AI’s rise
    - The ever-growing need for cybersecurity
    - Why DevEx and developer productivity are heading for a showdown
    His advice? Stop flying blind. “You can’t optimize what you don’t measure,” he says.
    If you’re leading an engineering org, this episode is your 2025 game plan: a mix of data-driven decision-making and people-first strategies to stay ahead in a year of change. Don’t miss this insightful fusion of qual and quant.
    Show Notes:

    • Join us at Dev Interrupted Live!
    • 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Insights Webinar
    • Follow Ori
    • Follow Ben
    • Follow Andrew

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
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