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    Dev Interrupted

    Software itself is fundamentally changing. We explore the transition to agentic orchestration, vibe coding, and AI-native development, grounding the conversation in the principles that have always defined great engineering.

    On Tuesdays, we interview the founders, architects, and builders of the world’s most impactful tech to uncover the timeless engineering principles and strategies shaping the next era of development.

    And on Fridays, we drop an end-of-week roundup of the biggest news in AI and software, and what it actually means for your career, your craft, and your life as a developer.

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    Making tech literacy irrelevant | Infactory’s Ken Kocienda Sep 23, 2025
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    What do you learn after spending 15 years at Apple and demoing your work directly to Steve Jobs? Ken Kocienda, Co-founder of Infactory AI and author of Creative Selection, joins us to share the answer. As a former Principal Engineer at Apple who helped create the iPhone keyboard and autocorrect, Ken discusses his incredible journey from a history major to a key figure in building technology used by billions. He explains his core philosophy of bridging the gap between the liberal arts and technology to create meaningful products, and why he believes AI is the next frontier for this mission. (BTW – we sat down with his co-founder Brooke, so if you like this episode be sure to check that one out!)

    The conversation dives into his disciplined, spec-driven approach to coding with AI and the power of "extractive AI" to unlock hidden value in data. Ken reveals the crucial lesson he learned from Steve Jobs—that "everything is provisional"—and how his "evolutionary design" process is perfectly suited for today's AI challenges. This episode is a deep dive into the timeless principles of design and a powerful argument for why the best technology is so intuitive, it makes technical literacy irrelevant.

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    • Ken's Book: Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs

    Referenced in today's show:

    • MCP is probably the first protocol in tech history with more builders than users… or at least that’s how it feels.
    • Albania appoints world’s first AI-made minister

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    Why enterprise AI lives or dies on applied research | Contextual AI’s Elizabeth Lingg Sep 16, 2025
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    What does it take to transform a brilliant AI model from a research paper into a product customers can rely on? We're joined by Elizabeth Lingg, Director of Applied Research at Contextual AI (the team behind RAG), to explore the immense challenge of bridging the gap between the lab and the real world. Drawing on her impressive career at Microsoft, Apple, and in the startup scene, Elizabeth details her journey from academic researcher to an industry leader shipping production AI.

    Elizabeth shares her expert approach to measuring AI impact, emphasizing the need to correlate "inner loop" metrics like accuracy with "outer loop" metrics like customer satisfaction and the crucial "vibe check." Learn why specialized, grounded AI is essential for the enterprise and how using multiple, diverse metrics is the key to avoiding model bias and sycophancy. She provides a framework for how research and engineering teams can collaborate effectively to turn innovative ideas into robust products.

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    Referenced in today's show:

    • Throwing AI at Developers Won’t Fix Their Problems
    • Why language models hallucinate
    • i ran Claude in a loop for three months, and it created a genz programming language called cursed

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    Your AI demo is a lie (and how to make it real) | Arcade’s Alex Salazar Sep 09, 2025
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    AI that talks is easy, but AI that acts securely is where everything breaks down. We're joined by Alex Salazar, CEO of Arcade, to confront the massive and often underestimated gap between a flashy AI demo and a production-ready system. Drawing from his team's own pivot from building agents to building the tools that secure them, he explains why a working demo is only 1% of the journey. Alex breaks down the four "demo killers" that cause most agent projects to fail: inconsistency, security flaws, prohibitive costs, and high latency.

    Alex reveals the counterintuitive solution his team discovered: the key to making non-deterministic AI reliable is to dial up determinism. Learn why giving an AI a constrained set of intention-based tools - like a calculator or a multiple-choice test - dramatically reduces errors and solves critical security challenges that plague open-ended systems. He explains why you can't just wrap existing APIs and must instead build custom, workflow-centric tools for your agents. This is an essential listen for anyone who wants to build AI that doesn't just talk, but acts securely on behalf of your users.

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    Referenced in today's show:

    • Google avoids break-up but must share data with rivals
    • Welcoming The Browser Company to Atlassian
    • "~40% of daily code written at Coinbase is AI-generated. I want to get it to >50% by October." on X
    • Crushing JIRA tickets is a party trick, not a path to impact


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    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    The future of the terminal is not a terminal | Warp’s Zach Lloyd Sep 02, 2025
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    For decades, the command line has been a developer's staple. But what if its future isn't to be a better terminal, but something else entirely?

    We're joined by Zach Lloyd, co-founder of Warp, to discuss this groundbreaking shift in developer tooling, sharing his bold vision that the future for developers is neither the IDE nor the terminal, but a new kind of platform built for launching and orchestrating AI agents. Zach explains how Warp is re-imagining the command line as the natural entry point for this evolution, transforming it from a place where you type commands to a place where you write prompts to solve complex problems.

    Zach dives into the new developer workflow, where the focus moves up a layer of abstraction from the minutiae of flags and syntax to higher-level problem-solving and guiding agents. He argues that by being the platform itself—not just an app running within it—a tool like Warp can provide a far richer and more effective user experience than traditional CLI agents. Discover the new skills developers need in this era, from problem decomposition to clearly expressing intent in natural language.

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    • AI code review tools: 2025 evaluation guide

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    • Warp's YouTube Channel: Check out Zach's live streams and product videos
    • Connect with Zach: LinkedIn | X (formerly Twitter)
    • Connect with Brooke: LinkedIn

    Referenced in today's show:

    • Team OKRs in Action
    • In the Age of AI, some tech leaders think communications degrees may actually be more valuable than computer science degrees
    • Thoughts on Motivation and My 40-Year Career
    • AI, Ads & the Fight for Attention: Infactory Featured in Ad Age
    • Introducing pay per crawl: Enabling content owners to charge AI crawlers for access

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Forget vibe coding. Say hello to vibe entrepreneurship. | Shopify’s Andrew McNamara Aug 26, 2025
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    First, there was vibe coding. Now, get ready for "vibe entrepreneurship."

    Andrew McNamara, Director of Applied Machine Learning at Shopify, joins us to explain how his team is making this new era of business a reality. He shares the vision behind Shopify Sidekick, an AI co-founder designed to empower merchants by acting as their on-demand e-commerce expert. Drawing on his 16-year journey building AI assistants, Andrew reveals what it truly takes to create an AI tool that customers can trust with their livelihood.

    He shares a critical insight from his applied research background: the hardest and most important part of building production-ready AI isn't the model, but the evaluation ("eval") system. Andrew breaks down Shopify's innovative approach of using an LLM-as-a-judge to measure how well they're fulfilling user goals, not just executing features. This conversation is a definitive guide to creating high-trust AI systems and offers a powerful glimpse into the future of commerce.

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    Referenced in today's show:

    • The Economics of Software Innovation
    • “AI First” and the Bus Factor of 0
    • GitLab 18.3 released with Duo Agent Platform in Visual Studio (Beta) and Embedded views

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    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

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    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    You can't have AI without DevOps | GitHub’s Martin Woodward Aug 19, 2025
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    The single biggest predictor of success with AI isn't the model you choose, it's the DevOps culture you've already built.

    Martin Woodward, VP of Developer Relations at GitHub - and the sixth person to ever use Copilot - joins us to explain why this surprising insight is key to the new era of autonomous coding agents. He traces the evolution of GitHub Copilot from a simple autocomplete to a powerful agent that opens its own pull requests, arguing that AI's true power is as a massive accelerant for the iterative loops high-performing teams have already perfected.

    Martin explains that teams with strong guardrails for shipping quickly and safely are best equipped to leverage this AI revolution because they can trust the accelerated output. He also reveals how top teams use the key technique of custom instructions to guide Copilot toward writing the code of the future, not just mimicking the code of the past. This conversation uncovers how new agentic workflows are 'tricking' developers into improving their communication and documentation skills, providing a crucial look at the cultural foundations required to thrive in the AI-accelerated enterprise.

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    • GitHub Universe Conference: Look out for announcements for the upcoming conference
    • Connect with Martin: Martin's Social Media Hub (Martin.Social)
    • Connect with Erika on LinkedIn

    Referenced in today's show:

    • GPT-5: Overdue, overhyped and underwhelming. And that’s not the worst of it.
    • Auf Wiedersehen, GitHub ♥️
    • I Tried Every Todo App and Ended Up With a .txt File
    • [BUG] Claude says "You're absolutely right!" about everything · Issue #3382
    • Why MCP’s Disregard for 40 Years of RPC Best Practices Will Burn Enterprises

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    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
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    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    The art of letting go as a manager | Transcend’s Minh Nguyen Aug 12, 2025
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    What's the hardest habit for a top engineer to unlearn in a leadership role?

    For Minh Nguyen, VP of Engineering at Transcend, it was breaking the "I'll do it myself" mentality. In this episode, she shares her impressive journey from individual contributor to VP at the same high-growth startup, offering a rare and honest look at this challenging transition. Drawing on her background in philosophy, Minh details the hard-won lessons of reorienting from hands-on coding to high-impact leadership, from learning to delegate to setting a clear, communicable strategy.

    The conversation then shifts from personal growth to organizational design. Minh dives into the practicalities of scaling, revealing why Transcend structures teams around customer problems instead of technical stacks. She candidly discusses her experience pivoting away from a "catchall" platform team to a more effective, product-focused model. This episode is a deep dive for any leader on building a resilient, high-fidelity engineering culture that thrives under pressure, packed with invaluable insights for navigating the challenges of growth.

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    • The DevEx guide to AI-driven software development
    • Download: The 6 trends shaping the future of AI-driven development

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    • Connect with Minh Nguyen on LinkedIn
    • Learn more about Transcend: Transcend.io
    • Connect with Jennifer Riggins on LinkedIn

    Referenced in today's show:

    • This Start-Up’s $20 Billion Sale Died. It Came Fighting Back.
    • Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade website no-crawl directives
    • If you're remote, ramble
    • AI promised efficiency. Instead, it’s making us work harder.
    • Writing code was never the bottleneck!

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    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
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    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    AI agents are knocking. Is your API ready to answer? | GraphQL’s Matt DeBergalis Aug 05, 2025
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    The rise of AI agents is more than a tooling upgrade - it's a fundamental rewiring of the entire developer experience, with your APIs at the very center.

    We're joined by Matt DeBergalis, co-founder and then-CTO-now-CEO (congrats Matt!) of Apollo GraphQL, to explore this massive transformation. He introduces the emerging concept of "agent experience," explaining why systems built for human developers are not ready for the unprecedented scale of AI calling APIs.

    Matt argues that as the old rules of software development get re-evaluated, engineering leaders must rethink their entire stack. He presents a powerful analogy: a structured data layer like a graph is the perfect "left brain" for the "right brain" creativity of LLMs. This provides the semantic precision and guardrails needed for AI to act reliably, enabling a future where user experiences are personalized "to 11" and APIs become the core business asset. This conversation is a crucial guide for leaders on how to prepare by prioritizing higher-level system design, and why clear communication and architecture are becoming far more critical than handwriting code.

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    • Download: The 6 trends shaping the future of AI-driven development

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    • Explore Apollo GraphQL's graph infrastructure and MCP tooling: ApolloDev
    • Connect with Matt on LinkedIn
    • Connect with Andrew Boyagi on LinkedIn

    Referenced in today's show:

    • Anthropic caps Claude Code usage
    • OpenAI introduces study mode
    • Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet
    • Atlassian research: AI adoption is rising, but friction persists

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    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
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    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
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    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    The people-pleaser in the machine | Wayfound’s Dr. Tatyana Mamut Jul 29, 2025
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    Your AI is learning to lie to you. It's not malicious—it's just trying to be a people-pleaser. This dangerous phenomenon, known as AI sycophancy, is what happens when we train models with outdated incentives.

    Dr. Tatyana Mamut, an anthropologist, economist, and the CEO of Wayfound, joins us to explain why treating AI like traditional software is a critical mistake. She provides a revolutionary playbook for building AI you can actually trust, starting with how to manage AI agents like employees with clear roles, goals, and performance reviews. She then introduces the radical solution of an "AI supervisor"—an AI that manages other agents to ensure accountability. This all builds toward her vision for the "multi-sapiens workforce," where humans and AI collaborate to build the companies of tomorrow.

    This is an essential guide for any leader aiming to build the culture and systems necessary to manage AI effectively.

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    • Workshop: The AI upgrade to your SDLC
    • The DevEx guide to AI-driven software development

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    • Kelly's Connect with Me
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    Referenced in today's show:

    • Replit deleted a customer’s entire production database.
    • Silicon Valley AI Startups Are Embracing China’s Controversial ‘996’ Work Schedule
    • I've launched 37 products in 5 years and not doing that again
    • Evaluating LLMs on real long-horizon business tasks
    • Microsoft poaches more Google DeepMind AI talent as it beefs up Copilot

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    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
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    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
    Is your AI strategy built for speed or stability? | Qodo’s Itamar Friedman Jul 22, 2025
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    Is your team's AI strategy tailored for a fast-moving startup or a high-stakes enterprise?

    The answer could determine your success or failure. We're rejoined by Itamar Friedman, co-founder and CEO of Qodo, to break down what separates engineering teams that truly thrive with AI from those that are just experimenting, explaining why the path to success is fundamentally different for a startup that needs speed versus a large enterprise that must untangle bottlenecks.

    Itamar reveals his vision for the evolution from "vibe coding" to a more mature "grounded coding" that relies on structured workflows and rich, automated context. He also points to the trend of dev platform teams as the future "agent keepers" who will own the holistic and safe implementation of AI. Itamar provides an actionable playbook for leaders: map your current processes, identify your biggest bottleneck, and find a specialized AI tool for that specific problem.

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    • The DevEx guide to AI-driven software development
    • Workshop: The AI upgrade to your SDLC

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    Referenced in today's show:

    • Announcing the real next chapter of Windsurf
    • I still care about the code
    • McDonald’s AI Hiring Bot Exposed Millions of Applicants’ Data to Hackers Who Tried the Password ‘123456’
    • Meta poaches even more AI talent
    • Block launches a grant program for high impact OSS contributions to goose

    OFFERS

    • Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free.
    • Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era.

    LEARN ABOUT LINEARB

    • AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
    • AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
    • AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
    • MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.
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