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    Democracy Paradox

    Is it possible for a democracy to govern undemocratically? Can the people elect an undemocratic leader? Is it possible for democracy to bring about authoritarianism? And if so, what does this say about democracy? ​​My name is Justin Kempf. Every week I talk to the brightest minds on subjects like international relations, political theory, and history to explore democracy from every conceivable angle. Topics like civil resistance, authoritarian successor parties, and the autocratic middle class challenge our ideas about democracy. Join me as we unravel new topics every week.

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    Lisa Disch on Representation, Constituencies, and Political Leadership Feb 08, 2022
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    The tension in what we want from democratic representation is that we want control over our representatives and we want creativity from them. If we control them, they are delegates. They're not representatives. They do what we want. They act in our place instead of us. They act as we would in our place. If they give us creativity, they will bring things out of us and do things for us that we may not have imagined.

    Lisa Disch
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Making Constituencies: Representation as Mobilization in Mass Democracy here.
    Lisa Disch is a professor of political science at the University of Michigan and an elected member of the Ann Arbor City Council. She is the author of the book Making Constituencies: Representation as Mobilization in Mass Democracy.
    Key Highlights

    • Should elected officials serve as delegates or opinion shapers?
    • What is the line between leadership and manipulation?
    • What is the constituency paradox?
    • Does representation facilitate citizen mobilization?
    • Can realists be idealists?

    Support Democracy Paradox on Patreon for early access to new episodes and exclusive updates and information.
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    Making Constituencies: Representation as Mobilization in Mass Democracyby Lisa Jane Disch

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    Sara Wallace Goodman on Citizen Responses to Democratic Threats

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    Joseph Fishkin on the Constitution, American History, and Economic Inequality Feb 01, 2022
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    For many Americans, for the first many generations really up through the mid 20th century, the constitutional order seemed to rest on and depend on an economic order in which people had enough economic clout to be independent citizens and voters. Not serfs dependent on some kind of master.

    Joseph Fishkin
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of The Anti-Oligarchy Constitution: Reconstructing the Economic Foundations of American Democracy here.
    Joseph Fishkin is a Professor of Law at UCLA School of Law. He is the coauthor (along with William E. Forbath) of The Anti-Oligarchy Constitution: Reconstructing the Economic Foundations of American Democracy.
    Key Highlights

    • How did Montana reform its laws to limit the influence of Amalgamated Copper?
    • When do questions of inequality become constitutional questions?
    • How did the courts undermine labor laws in the early 20th century?
    • What are the affirmative obligations and duties in the constitution?
    • What is the proper role of the courts in American politics?

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    The Anti-Oligarchy Constitution: Reconstructing the Economic Foundations of American Democracy by Joseph Fishkin and William E. Forbath

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    Learn more about Joseph Fishkin at UCLA Law

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    Donald Horowitz on the Formation of Democratic Constitutions

    Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson on the Plutocratic Populism of the Republican Party

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    Bilal Baloch on Indira Gandhi, India's Emergency, and the Importance of Ideas in Politics Jan 25, 2022
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    We have core ideas that form a part of our worldview, but those core ideas are not fixed in the way in which we talk about rationality and interest in that they can evolve. And we have to, when we think about human behavior, political behavior, we have to give serious attention to those ideas and go beyond just fixed material interests.

    Bilal Baloch
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of When Ideas Matter: Democracy and Corruption in India here.
    Bilal Baloch is the Co-Founder and COO of Enquire, formerly GlobalWonks. He is also a non-resident visiting scholar at the Center for the Advanced Study of India at the University of Pennsylvania and the author of When Ideas Matter: Democracy and Corruption in India.
    Key Highlights

    • What was the Jayaprakash Narayanan Movement?
    • Why did the State of Emergency happen in India?
    • How do ideas influence governance?
    • The differences between technocratic and political leadership
    • Is it more important to foster a diversity of ideas or support the best ideas?


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    When Ideas Matter: Democracy and Corruption in India by Bilal Baloch

    Follow Bilal Baloch on Twitter @bilalabaloch

    Learn more about his company Enquire


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    Christophe Jaffrelot on Narendra Modi and Hindu Nationalism

    Kajri Jain Believes Democracy Unfolds through the Aesthetic

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    Sara Wallace Goodman on Citizen Responses to Democratic Threats Jan 18, 2022
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    If I could say one thing to every citizen, it's to put country before party. Which is, you know, at this time it almost feels like a hollowed phrase, because we we've kind of heard it so often. But it's like actually true.

    Sara Wallace Goodman
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Citizenship in Hard Times: How Ordinary People Respond to Democratic Threat here.
    Sara Wallace Goodman is an Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of California, Irvine and the author of Citizenship in Hard Times: How Ordinary People Respond to Democratic Threat.
    Key Highlights

    • How much agency do citizens have in democracy?
    • The important differences between citizenship and partisanship and their implications
    • The role of both rights and duties for citizenship
    • Differences between citizenship in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Germany
    • What can citizens do to protect democracy?


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    Citizenship in Hard Times: How Ordinary People Respond to Democratic ThreatbySara Wallace Goodman

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    Stephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman on Democratic Backsliding

    Jan-Werner Müller on Democracy Rules

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    Joseph Wright and Abel Escribà-Folch on Migration's Potential to Topple Dictatorships Jan 11, 2022
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    This is money that flows between individuals and families and largely circumvents governments and that's a hugely important point, because the real take home of the book is that when these financial flows are controlled by citizens, it tips the balance of power in favor of citizens. When the international financial flow goes to governments, it tips the balance of power in terms of governments.

    Joseph Wright
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Migration and Democracy: How Remittances Undermine Dictatorships here.
    Joe Wright is a professor of political science at Pennsylvania State University. Abel Escribà-Folch is an associate professor of political science at Universitat Pompeu Fabra. They cowrote the book Migration and Democracy: How Remittances Undermine Dictatorships along with Covadonga Meseguer.
    Key Highlights

    • How Remittances Break Clientelistic Relationships
    • The Size and Importance of Remittances in Developing Economies
    • Why Financial Remittances Facilitate Protest Movements
    • Can Remittances Really Contribute to Democratization
    • Implications for Immigration Policies

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    Migration and Democracy: How Remittances Undermine Dictatorships by Abel Escribà-Folch, Joseph Wright, and Covadonga Meseguer

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    Michael Miller on the Unexpected Paths to Democratization

    Bryn Rosenfeld on Middle Class Support for Dictators in Autocratic Regimes

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    Robert Lieberman, Kenneth Roberts, and David Bateman on Democratic Resilience and Political Polarization in the United States Jan 04, 2022
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    So, the question is how do you respond to that? If you are the party that sees itself as being on the side of democracy and on the side of maintaining democratic norms and procedures and maintaining this kind of democratic accountability, how do you respond? Do you respond in kind? Do you respond with hardball tactics of your own?

    Robert Lieberman
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Democratic Resilience: Can the United States Withstand Rising Polarization? here.
    Robert C. Lieberman is the Krieger-Eisenhower Professor of Political Science at Johns Hopkins University. Kenneth M. Roberts is the Richard J. Schwartz Professor of Government and Binenkorb Director of Latin American Studies at Cornell University. David A. Bateman is an associate professor in the Government Department at Cornell University. Robert and Kenneth (along with Suzanne Mettler) coedited the book Democratic Resilience: Can the United States Withstand Rising Polarization? David is a contributor to the volume. His chapter is "Elections, Polarization, and Democratic Resilience."
    Key Highlights

    • Why did polarization become so severe in the United States?
    • When did pernicious polarization start in America?
    • Is polarization the fault of just one party or both?
    • Discussion on possible judicial reforms as a solution
    • Can America overcome this episode of severe polarization?


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    Democratic Resilience: Can the United States Withstand Rising Polarization? by Suzanne Mettler, Robert C. Lieberman, and Kenneth M. Roberts

    Follow Robert C. Lieberman on Twitter @r_lieberman

    Follow David Bateman on Twitter @DavidAlexBatema


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    Can America Preserve Democracy without Retreating from it? Robert C. Lieberman on the Four Threats

    Thomas Carothers and Andrew O’Donohue are Worried About Severe Polarization

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    Angus Deaton on Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism Dec 28, 2021
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    It's this sort of persistent loss of wages, which causes things like loss of marriage, people not living with their kids anymore, disintegration of communities with all of the things in those communities whether it's churches or union halls or society, just friendship that used to be there. And those are the things that cause people to lose meaning or, if you like, lose hope in their lives.

    Angus Deaton
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism here.
    Angus Deaton is the Dwight D. Eisenhower Professor of Economics and International Affairs Emeritus at Princeton University, winner of the 2015 Nobel Prize in Economics, and the coauthor (with Anne Case) of Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism.
    Key Hightlights

    • What are deaths of despair and what causes them
    • How did the Pandemic and the Great Recession affect deaths of despair
    • Why does a four year college degree affect life expectancy in the United States
    • How has health care policy in the United States contributed to deaths of despair
    • Are deaths of despair an inevitable consequence of capitalism


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    Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalismby Angus Deaton and Anne Case

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    Sheryl WuDunn Paints a Picture of Poverty in America and Offers Hope for Solutions

    Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson on the Plutocratic Populism of the Republican Party

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    Zeynep Pamuk on the Role of Science and Expertise in a Democracy Dec 21, 2021
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    Science is never offering the whole truth. It may be offering us something accurate. Scientific findings may be reliable for now, but they are always incomplete.

    Zeynep Pamuk
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Politics and Expertise: How to Use Science in a Democratic Society here.
    Zeynep Pamuk is an assistant professor of political science at the University of California, San Diego and the author of the book Politics and Expertise: How to Use Science in a Democratic Society.
    Key Highlights

    • Why is there a tension between science and democracy
    • The limits of science for public policy
    • The Proposal for a Science Court
    • Ways to provide greater democratic involvement in scientific funding
    • How have experts performed in the pandemic


    Key Links

    Politics and Expertise: How to Use Science in a Democratic Society by Zeynep Pamuk

    Learn more about Zeynep Pamuk at scholar.harvard.edu/zpamuk

    Read Zeynep Pamuk's article "The Contours of Ignorance," in Boston Review


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    Susan Rose-Ackerman on the Role of the Executive in Four Different Democracies

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    Caitlin Andrews-Lee on Charismatic Movements and Personalist Leaders Dec 14, 2021
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    Charismatic leaders who are intent on governing solely using their charismatic authority and subverting other things to their personal power are inherently bad for democracy and inherently illiberal. They're anti-pluralist. They don't want to share their power with others even within their own movement or their own party. They don't tolerate dissent.

    Caitlin Andrews-Lee
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of The Emergence and Revival of Charismatic Movements: Argentine Peronism and Venezuelan Chavismo here.
    Caitlin Andrews-Lee is an Assistant Professor in Ryerson University’s Department of Politics and Public Administration. She is the author of the book, The Emergence and Revival of Charismatic Movements: Argentine Peronism and Venezuelan Chavismo.
    Key Highlights

    • A profile on Juan Perón, the prototypical charismatic leader
    • Why has Peronism survived its founder?
    • Why do the anointed successors of charismatic leaders fail?
    • How do new personalist leaders arise out of charismatic movements?
    • Is Donald Trump a harbinger of future charismatic leaders or was he an historical aberration?


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    The Emergence and Revival of Charismatic Movements: Argentine Peronism and Venezuelan Chavismo by Caitlin Andrews-Lee

    Learn more about Caitlin Andrews-Lee at www.caitlinandrewslee.com

    Follow Caitlin Andrews-Lee on Twitter @caitlineandrews


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    Stephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman on Democratic Backsliding

    James Loxton Explains Why Authoritarian Successor Parties Succeed in Democracies

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    Stephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman on Democratic Backsliding Dec 07, 2021
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    The way we conceive of democracy is being challenged by these regimes and, by that I mean, because the process of backsliding is so incremental, it's difficult to see where these boundaries are.

    Stephan Haggard
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Backsliding: Democratic Regress in the Contemporary World here.
    Stephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman are the authors of the new book, Backsliding: Democratic Regress in the Contemporary World. Stephan is the Lawrence and Sallye Krause Distinguished Professor at the School of Global Policy and Strategy at the University of California, San Diego. Robert Kaufman is a distinguished professor of political science at Rutgers University.
    Key Highlights

    • Describes democratic backsliding
    • How polarization contributes to backsliding
    • The role of legislatures in backsliding episodes
    • What it means when authoritarians "reform" judiciaries
    • How can citizens reverse democratic backsliding?


    Key Links

    Backsliding: Democratic Regress in the Contemporary World by Stephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman

    Learn more about Stephan Haggard at www.stephanhaggard.com

    Learn more about Robert Kaufman at https://fas-polisci.rutgers.edu/kaufman/

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