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    Democracy Paradox

    Is it possible for a democracy to govern undemocratically? Can the people elect an undemocratic leader? Is it possible for democracy to bring about authoritarianism? And if so, what does this say about democracy? ​​My name is Justin Kempf. Every week I talk to the brightest minds on subjects like international relations, political theory, and history to explore democracy from every conceivable angle. Topics like civil resistance, authoritarian successor parties, and the autocratic middle class challenge our ideas about democracy. Join me as we unravel new topics every week.

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    Joshua Yaffa on Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia Nov 30, 2021
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    ‘What would you prefer? Would you prefer that this boy, Vasya, die because he couldn't get dialysis? Would you prefer that this girl, Katya, die from her shrapnel wounds that she suffered during the war that was obviously not her fault? Right? Like would it be better if I held my nose and refuse to engage in these compromises so these kids died? Would you be sort of happier, so you could write about how awful the bloody Putin regime is?’

    Joshua Yaffa explaining the perspective of Russian humanitarian Elizaveta Glinka
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Between Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia here.
    Joshua Yaffa joins the podcast to discuss his new book Between Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia. He is a correspondent for The New Yorker based primarily in Moscow, Russia.
    Key Highlights

    • Who was Dr. Liza?
    • The types of compromises must Russians make with the state to pursue their dreams
    • The role of the Russian state in the arts through the story of theater director Kirill Serebrennikov
    • Legal challenges for business owners in Russia through the experience of zookeeper Oleg Zubkov
    • The limited space for human rights activism in Chechnya through the experience of Heda Saratova


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    Between Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia by Joshua Yaffa

    Learn more about Joshua Yaffa at www.joshuayaffa.com.

    Follow Joshua Yaffa on Twitter @yaffaesque

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    Zoltan Barany on the Ineffectiveness of the Gulf Militaries Nov 23, 2021
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    The last time, and luckily this hasn't really happened since 1990, there was minimal resistance from the Kuwaiti and the Saudi forces. So, this obviously is 30 years ago, but there is little reason to believe that in spite of the hundreds of billions of dollars that is spent on armaments, this state of affairs has changed. Let me just put it this way. Nobody in Tehran is losing any sleep over the prowess of any of the Gulf militaries.

    Zoltan Barany
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Armies of Arabia: Military Politics and Effectiveness in the Gulf here.
    Zoltan Barany is the Frank C. Erwin, Jr. Centennial Professor of Government at the University of Texas at Austin. He is the author of Armies of Arabia: Military Politics and Effectiveness in the Gulf.
    Key Highlights

    • What should be expected of the militaries of the Gulf countries?
    • Would the Gulf countries be threatened without the American security guarantee?
    • What types of military investments do the Gulf countries make?
    • What has the Yemeni War taught us about armies of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries?
    • How does the leadership of MBS differ from MBZ?


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    Armies of Arabia: Military Politics and Effectiveness in the Gulf by Zoltan Barany

    Robert Strauss Center For International Security and Law

    Center for Strategic & International Studies


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    Daniel Brinks on the Politics of Institutional Weakness

    Elizabeth Nugent on Polarization, Democratization and the Arab Spring

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    Amory Gethin on Political Cleavages, Inequality, and Party Systems in 50 Democracies Nov 16, 2021
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    Indeed, the moderation of left-wing party’s economic policy proposals in the eighties and in the nineties and the decision to promote an unregulated capitalism with no kind of proper compensation and no tax harmonization leading to greater offshore wealth and rising inequality. All these decisions have played a role in leading the working class to take distance from these parties and, at the same time, enabling these new issues to take a growing importance.
    Amory Gethin
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Political Cleavages and Social Inequalities: A Study of 50 Democracies, 1948-2020 here.
    Amory Gethin is a PhD candidate at the Paris School of Economics and a research fellow at the world Inequality Lab. He is a coeditor (along with Clara Martinez-Toledano and Thomas Piketty) of Political Cleavages and Social Inequalities: A Study of 50 Democracies, 1948-2020.
    Key Highlights Include

    • Why have multi-elite party systems emerged in Western democracies?
    • Describes the divide between the "Brahmin Left" and "Merchant Right"
    • How do party systems differ between Western and Non-Western democracies?
    • Descriptions of party systems in India, Eastern Europe, and Brazil
    • Why have party systems changed?


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    Political Cleavages and Social Inequalities. A Study of 50 Democracies, 1948-2020 edited by Amory Gethin, Clara Martinez-Toledano and Thomas Piketty

    Follow Amory Gethin on Twitter @amorygethin

    Learn more about Amory Gethin at his personal website


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    James Loxton Explains Why Authoritarian Successor Parties Succeed in Democracies

    Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson on the Plutocratic Populism of the Republican Party

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    Daniel Brinks on the Politics of Institutional Weakness Nov 09, 2021
    Show notes

    We don't think about institutions until they fail and we think of institutions as being really strong when maybe they've never been challenged. They've never really tried to do anything.

    Daniel Brinks
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of The Politics of Institutional Weakness in Latin America here.
    Daniel Brinks joins the podcast to discuss his new book The Politics of Institutional Weakness in Latin America. He is the coeditor along with Steven Levitsky and María Victoria Murillo. Dan is a professor of Government and of Law at the University of Texas at Austin and a Senior Researcher & Global Scholar of the Centre on Law and Social Transformation.
    Key Highlights

    • What is institutional weakness?
    • How does it differ from state capacity?
    • How does civil society affect political institutions?
    • What is the role of constitutions?
    • How do Presidential systems affect other political institutions?

    Key Links

    The Politics of Institutional Weakness in Latin America edited by Daniel M. Brinks, Steven Levitsky, and María Victoria Murillo

    Department of Government at The University of Texas at Austin where Daniel Brinks teaches

    Centre of Law and Social Transformation at the Christian Michelsen Institute in Norway where Daniel Brinks is a Senior Researcher & Global Scholar

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    Donald Horowitz on the Formation of Democratic Constitutions

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    Elizabeth Perry and Grzegorz Ekiert on State-Mobilized Movements Nov 02, 2021
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    What we are doing in this volume is blurring the boundaries between this older conception of top-down mobilized movements and this newer conception of bottom-up organic, spontaneous civil society propelled movements and discovering that there's an awful lot in the middle there.

    Elizabeth Perry
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Ruling by Other Means: State-Mobilized Movements here.
    Elizabeth Perry and Grzegorz Ekiert join the podcast to discuss their new book Ruling by Other Means: State-Mobilized Movements (coedited with Xiaojun Yan). Elizabeth is the Henry Rosovsky Professor of Government at Harvard University and Director of the Harvard-Yenching Institute. Grzegorz is the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of Government at Harvard University and Director of Minda de Gunzburg Center for European Studies.
    Key Highlights

    • What are state-mobilized movements?
    • Why do authoritarian regimes mobilize supporters?
    • The role of violence in state-mobilized movements
    • Why do people mobilize to support dictators?
    • What does it teach us about civil society?


    Key Links

    Ruling by Other Means: State-Mobilized Movements edited by Grzegorz Ekiert, Elizabeth J. Perry, and Yan Xiaojun

    Minda de Gunzburg Center for European Studies

    Harvard-Yenching Institute


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    Erica Chenoweth on Civil Resistance

    Jonathan Pinckney on Civil Resistance Transitions

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    Susan Rose-Ackerman on the Role of the Executive in Four Different Democracies Oct 26, 2021
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    Many of these things that you and I are talking about are simply initiatives put forward by the chief executive or maybe by a cabinet minister. Something they want to do and rather than something that they're required to do. And it seems to me that that's a rather fragile base on which to build a more effective participatory process, which doesn't give up on the role of technocracy and expertise.

    Susan Rose-Ackerman
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Democracy and Executive Power: Policymaking Accountability in the US, the UK, Germany, and France here.
    Susan Rose-Ackerman joins the podcast to discuss her new book Democracy and Executive Power: Policymaking Accountability in the US, the UK, Germany, and France. Susan is the Henry R. Luce Professor Emeritus of Law and Political Science at Yale University.
    Key Highlights Include

    • How have executives handled the pandemic
    • Differences between the executives of Germany, France, UK and US
    • How different executives make rules to implement public statutes
    • Description of deliberative democracy used in France to create environmental policies
    • Is the administrative state democratic


    Key Links

    Democracy and Executive Power: Policymaking Accountability in the US, the UK, Germany, and France by Susan Rose-Ackerman

    Susan Rose-Ackerman on Wikipedia

    EPuM Interview with Susan Rose-Ackerman on YouTube


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    Lee Drutman Makes the Case for Multiparty Democracy in America

    William G. Howell and Terry M. Moe on the Presidency

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    Tom Ginsburg Shares his Thoughts on Democracy and International Law Oct 19, 2021
    Show notes

    At the end of the day, I am optimistic despite all the evidence. First of all, I think there are a lot of resources that democracies can use. A lot of areas of law, where as long as we recognize what it is we're fighting for, democracy is worth fighting for and have a common view as to what that means that we can advance it in many places, not just here but abroad. And this might sound a little hokey, but there really is a genuine human demand for freedom and that's not going away.

    Tom Ginsburg
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Democracies and International Law here.
    Tom Ginsburg is a professor of international law and political science at the University of Chicago. He is the coauthor of How to Save a Constitutional Democracy with Aziz Huq and the author of Democracies and International Law.
    Key Highlights Include

    • How is international law made and enforced?
    • How do democracies approach international law differently than authoritarian regimes?
    • Is there a right to democracy?
    • Differences and similarities between the approach of China and the United States towards international law.
    • How do regional organizations support democratic norms?


    Key Links

    Democracies and International Lawby Tom Ginsburg

    Follow Tom Ginsburg on Twitter @tomginsburg

    How to Save a Constitutional Democracy by Tom Ginsburg and Aziz Huq


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    Charles Kupchan on America's Tradition of Isolationism

    John Ikenberry on Liberal Internationalism

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    Robert Meister Believes Justice is an Option Oct 12, 2021
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    So, now I've developed a way of talking about revolution as an option that can't be exercised, but that still has present value and I've set up a mechanism for saying what that present value is. Namely the value of the liquidity premium that a democracy that consents to maintaining accumulated wealth can extract for guaranteeing that the wealth continues to accumulate.

    Robert Meister
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Justice is an Option: A Democratic Theory of Finance for the Twenty-First Century here.
    Robert Meister is the author of the new book Justice is an Option: A Democratic Theory of Finance for the Twenty-First Century and a Professor of Social and Political Thought in the History of Consciousness Department at the University of California Santa Cruz.
    Key Highlights Include

    • What is historical justice?
    • An overview of financial terms
    • How is justice an option?
    • Is capitalism compatible with justice?
    • Will historical justice happen or is it just an option?


    Key Links

    Justice Is an Option: A Democratic Theory of Finance for the Twenty-First Century by Robert Meister

    A Theory of Justice by John Rawls

    Spheres of Justice by Michael Walzer

    Democracy Paradox Podcast

    Sheryl WuDunn Paints a Picture of Poverty in America and Offers Hope for Solutions

    Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson on the Plutocratic Populism of the Republican Party

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    Martin Conway Believes "Democracy Owes its Durability Not to its Principles but to its Flexibility." Democracy in Western Europe from 1945 to 1968 Oct 05, 2021
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    Where you and I and, I think, many others start from an assumption that somehow there is a thing called democracy and we sort of know what it is. But the diversity within democracy is far larger than that. You know, there's clear big institutional temperamental differences between visions of representatives ruling, people ruling, and so on. All these sorts of things are different models of democracy and therefore the word democracy in some respects becomes rather meaningless.

    Martin Conway
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Western Europe’s Democratic Age: 1945—1968 here.
    Martin Conway is the author of the new book Western Europe’s Democratic Age: 1945—1968 and a Professor of Contemporary European History at the University of Oxford.
    Key Highlights Include

    • Why Democracy Became Part of Western Europe's Identity
    • How Democracy was a Process of Continual Negotiation
    • The Distinct Characteristics of Democracy in Western Europe
    • An Account of the Transition from the Fourth to the Fifth Republic in France
    • Lessons for Democracy Today from Western Europe's Past


    Key Links

    Western Europe's Democratic Age: 1945-1968 by Martin Conway

    Learn more about Martin Conway at Balliol College at the University of Oxford

    Democracy and Dictatorship in Europe by Sheri Berman

    Democracy Paradox Podcast

    Kurt Weyland Distinguishes Between Fascism and Authoritarianism

    Michael Hughes on the History of Democracy in Germany

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    Donald Horowitz on the Formation of Democratic Constitutions Sep 28, 2021
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    The most beautiful thing that happened in Indonesia, by the way, which was a polarized society along religious lines more than anything else, was that by the end of the proceedings, everybody knew what everybody else's problems were, what everyone else's constituencies wanted. They knew if X noticed that Y was making a demand, before long X figured out what was behind the demand and why Y had to make it and whether it was a real demand or whether it was made just for the sake of being on record.

    Donald Horowitz
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Constitutional Processes and Democratic Commitment here.
    Donald Horowitz is the James B. Duke Professor of Law and Political Science Emeritus at Duke University.
    Key Highlights Include

    • Accounts of constitutional formation in Tunisia, Indonesia, and Malaysia
    • The role of consensus
    • The challenges of negotiated constitutions
    • The need for an inclusive process
    • Why citizen participation is not always beneficial


    Key Links

    Constitutional Processes and Democratic Commitment by Donald Horowitz

    "Ethnic Power Sharing: Three Big Problems" by Donald Horowitz in the Journal of Democracy

    Reconsidering Democratic Transitions Francis Fukuyama, Donald Horowitz, Larry Diamond on YouTube


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    Aldo Madariaga on Neoliberalism, Democratic Deficits, and Chile

    Hélène Landemore on Democracy without Elections

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