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    Democracy Paradox

    Is it possible for a democracy to govern undemocratically? Can the people elect an undemocratic leader? Is it possible for democracy to bring about authoritarianism? And if so, what does this say about democracy? ​​My name is Justin Kempf. Every week I talk to the brightest minds on subjects like international relations, political theory, and history to explore democracy from every conceivable angle. Topics like civil resistance, authoritarian successor parties, and the autocratic middle class challenge our ideas about democracy. Join me as we unravel new topics every week.

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    Rachel Beatty Riedl on Benin. Democracy in Hard Places. Jun 21, 2022
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    So, at some level, a belief in democracy was necessary in Benin as in elsewhere. Support for it - Absolutely. But what's interesting in the Benin case is that you were lacking that level of political elite leadership that were committed democratic ideologues.

    Rachel Beatty Riedl
    Support Democracy Paradox on Patreon for bonus episodes and exclusive updates and information.
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    Rachel Beatty Riedl is the John S. Knight Professor of International Studies, Director of the Einaudi Center for International Studies, and professor in the Department of Government at Cornell University. She also cohosts the podcast Ufahamu Africa with Kim Yi Dionne. Her chapter "Africa’s Democratic Outliers Success amid Challenges in Benin and South Africa" appears in the forthcoming book Democracy in Hard Places.
    Key Highlights

    • Details the story of Benin's democratization
    • How Benin has used consensus to govern
    • What makes Benin a democracy in a hard place
    • An overview of the current President Patrice Talon
    • Current threats to democracy in Benin


    Key Links

    Learn more about the Einaudi Center for International Studies

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    Democracy in Hard Places edited by Scott Mainwaring and Tarek Masoud


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    Evan Lieberman on South Africa

    Christophe Jaffrelot on Narendra Modi and Hindu Nationalism

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    Ashutosh Varshney on India. Democracy in Hard Places Jun 14, 2022
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    Nehru is asked several times in those early years, ‘Aren’t you doing something which has never been done before? You are 17% literate. Half of your country is below the poverty line. Under such conditions no democracy has ever stabilize itself and perhaps has not emerged.’ And his argument repeatedly is that we shouldn't be constrained by the history of the West.

    Ashutosh Varshney
    Support Democracy Paradox on Patreon for bonus episodes and exclusive updates and information.
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    Ashutosh Varshney is the Sol Goldman Professor of International Studies and the Social Sciences and Professor of Political Science at Brown University, where he also directs the Center for Contemporary South Asia. His chapter "India’s Democratic Longevity and Its Troubled Trajectory" appears in the forthcoming book Democracy in Hard Places.
    Key Highlights

    • How India defied early theories of democratization
    • The role of leadership in India's early democracy
    • Why India returned to democracy after Indira Gandhi's emergency?
    • The eerie similarities between India's recent treatment of Muslims and the rise of the Jim Crow era in the American South
    • When will democratic backsliding in India become a democratic collapse


    Key Links

    "Modi Consolidates Power: Electoral Vibrancy, Mounting Liberal Deficits" by Ashutosh Varshney in Journal of Democracy

    Learn more about Ashutosh Varshney at www.ashutoshvarshney.net

    Follow Ashutosh Varshney on Twitter @ProfVarshney

    Democracy in Hard Places edited by Scott Mainwaring and Tarek Masoud


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    Dan Slater on Indonesia

    Christophe Jaffrelot on Narendra Modi and Hindu Nationalism

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    Evan Lieberman on South Africa. Democracy in Hard Places Jun 07, 2022
    Show notes

    When you hear people talk in such disparaging tones, that everything is broken, that nothing is possible, you need to ask yourself, is that right? When you look around, the answer is no. There are these examples where things do go right, where people work together and create a neighborhood or a community for themselves in which they can be prosperous and build better lives. And that's really what the democratic project is all about.

    Evan Lieberman
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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    Evan Lieberman is a Professor of Political Science and Contemporary Africa at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Director of the MIT Global Diversity Lab, and the faculty director of the MIT International Science and Technology Initiatives (MISTI). He is the coauthor with Rorisang Lekalake of the recent article "South Africa's Resilient Democracy" in the Journal of Democracy and author of the forthcoming book Until We Have Won Our Liberty: South Africa after Apartheid.
    Key Highlights

    • Why is Evan Lieberman optimistic about democracy in South Africa
    • Role of Nelson Mandela on South Africa's democracy
    • Importance of South Africa for democracy in the world
    • Account of the housing community Ethembalethu
    • What the 2019 election says about democracy in South Africa


    Key Links

    Until We Have Won Our Liberty: South Africa after Apartheid by Evan Lieberman

    "South Africa’s Resilient Democracy" by Evan Lieberman and Rorisang Lekalake in Journal of Democracy

    Learn more about Evan Lieberman at www.evanlieberman.org

    Follow Evan Lieberman on Twitter @evlieb

    Democracy in Hard Places edited by Scott Mainwaring and Tarek Masoud


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    Dan Slater on Indonesia

    Nic Cheeseman and Gabrielle Lynch on the Moral Economy of Elections in Africa

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    Apes of the State created all Music

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    Dan Slater on Indonesia. Democracy in Hard Places May 31, 2022
    Show notes

    This might sound like a cliche, but in Indonesia it's really, really true. My hope rests in the Indonesian people and the voters. I mean, the voters, they show up. The voters have been the ones to defend democracy. They've been the ones to reject the most anti-pluralistic candidates, not all Indonesian voters, but a slim majority. They've been managing to do it.

    Dan Slater
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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    Dan Slater is the Weiser Professor of Emerging Democracies in the Department of Political Science and director of the Weiser Center for Emerging Democracies at the University of Michigan. Dan is also the coauthor of the forthcoming book From Development to Democracy: The Transformations of Modern Asia with Joseph Wong.
    Key Highlights

    • A brief account of how Indonesia democratized
    • What is democratization through strength
    • How elites held onto power after democratization
    • What makes Indonesia a hard place for democracy
    • The current state of Indonesia's democracy


    Key Links

    From Development to Democracy: The Transformations of Modern Asia by Dan Slater and Joseph Wong

    Democracy in Hard Places edited by Scott Mainwaring and Tarek Masoud

    Follow Dan Slater on Twitter @SlaterPolitics


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    Donald Horowitz on the Formation of Democratic Constitutions

    Sebastian Strangio Explains the Relationship Between China and Southeast Asia

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    Kathryn Stoner on How Putin's War has Ruined Russia May 24, 2022
    Show notes

    Boeing is pulling out, DuPont, Erickson, Analog Devices, Bombardier. Eventually all of these things are going to cause supply and production chain issues and unemployment in Russia. So, Mr. Putin doesn't have an infinite amount of time before havoc is wrought.

    Kathryn Stoner
    Support Democracy Paradox on Patreon for bonus episodes and exclusive updates and information.
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    Kathryn Stoner is the Mosbacher Director at the Center on Democracy, Development and the Rule of Law, a professor of political science at Stanford University, and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. She is also the author of the book Russia Resurrected: Its Power and Purpose in a New Global Order. Her article “How Putin’s War Has Ruined Russia” was recently published online at journalofdemocracy.org.
    Key Highlights

    • How has Russia's invasion of Ukraine affected perceptions of Russia's military
    • How has it affected its economy both short-term and long-term
    • How has it affected Russia's international standing
    • The affects on Russia's citizens
    • What does Putin's unpredictability mean for peace in Ukraine


    Key Links

    "How Putin’s War in Ukraine Has Ruined Russia" by Kathryn Stoner in Journal of Democracy

    Russia Resurrected: Its Power and Purpose in a New Global Orderby Kathryn Stoner

    Follow Kathryn Stoner on Twitter @kath_stoner


    Democracy Paradox Podcast

    Moisés Naím on the New Dynamics of Political Power

    Kathryn Stoner on Russia’s Economy, Politics, and Foreign Policy

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    Scott Radnitz on Why Conspiracy Theories Thrive in Both Democracies and Autocracies May 17, 2022
    Show notes

    There's something natural and organic about perceiving that the people in power are out to advance their own interests. It's in part because it’s often true. Governments actually do keep secrets from the public. Politicians engage in scandals. There often is corruption at high levels. So, we don't want citizens in a democracy to be too trusting of their politicians. It's healthy to be skeptical of the state and its real abuses and tendencies towards secrecy. The danger is when this distrust gets redirected, not toward the state, but targets innocent people who are not actually responsible for people's problems.

    Scott Radnitz
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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    *Please note during the interview the host says "conspiracy" rather than "conspiracy theory." The transcript has been corrected.*
    Scott Radnitz is an associate professor of Russian and Eurasian Studies at the University of Washington and the director of the Ellison Center for Russian, Eastern European, and Central Asian Studies. He is the author of Revealing Schemes: The Politics of Conspiracy in Russia and the Post-Soviet Region and coeditor with Harris Mylonas of the forthcoming book Enemies Within: The Global Politics of Fifth Columns. His article “Why Democracy Fuels Conspiracy Theories” was recently published in the Journal of Democracy.
    Key Highlights

    • Conspiracy theories Russia uses to justify their invasion of Ukraine
    • Why Russia relies on conspiracy theories in its political rhetoric
    • The use of conspiracy theories in democracies and autocracies
    • The recent proliferation of conspiracy theories in the United States
    • How to mitigate the harmful effects of conspiracy theories in politics


    Key Links

    "Why Democracy Fuels Conspiracy Theories" by Scott Radnitz in Journal of Democracy

    Revealing Schemes: The Politics of Conspiracy in Russia and the Post-Soviet Region by Scott Radnitz

    Enemies Within: The Global Politics of Fifth Columns edited by Harris Mylonas and Scott Radnitz


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    Ronald Deibert from Citizen Lab on Cyber Surveillance, Digital Subversion, and Transnational Repression

    Moisés Naím on the New Dynamics of Political Power

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    Apes of the State created all Music

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    Dan Banik is In Pursuit of Development May 13, 2022
    Show notes

    This bonus episode is part of a series of interviews available for monthly supporters of Democracy Paradox at Patreon. Other interviews feature guests like Julia Azari, Mila Atmos, and Bob Shrum. But more importantly you'll help the podcast cover important expenses and continue to grow. Please consider becoming a monthly supporter by clicking on the link here.
    If you want to help the podcast in other ways, please email the host, Justin Kempf, at jkempf@democracyparadox.com.
    Dan Banik is a professor of political science at the University of Oslo and Director of the Oslo SDG Initiative. He also hosts the podcast In Pursuit of Development. His podcast is among the most insightful on topics of democracy, modernization, and sustainability. Past guests have included Francis Fukuyama and Daron Acemoglu. But it's Dan's ability to help listeners understand complex ideas and subjects that sets his podcast apart.
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    Ronald Deibert from Citizen Lab on Cyber Surveillance, Digital Subversion, and Transnational Repression May 10, 2022
    Show notes

    So, if your aim is to get inside someone's device without their permission and gather up information, you could do that using a very sophisticated commercial spyware technology like Pegasus. The latest iteration of it employs zero click technology meaning that it can target and insert itself on any device without the owner of that device even knowing or being tricked into clicking on a link. That's very powerful, because there is no defense against it.

    Ronald Deibert
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    Ronald Deibert is a professor of political science at the Munk School of Global Affairs at the University of Toronto and the Director of the Citizen Lab. He recently gave the 18th annual Seymour Martin Lipset Lecture at the National Endowment for Democracy. Its title was “Digital Subversion: The Threat to Democracy.” His article, “Subversion Inc: The Age of Private Espionage” in the most recent Journal of Democracy is based on this lecture.
    Support Democracy Paradox on Patreon for bonus episodes and exclusive updates and information.
    Key Highlights

    • How Black Cube tried to infiltrate Citizen Lab
    • How autocrats continue to repress political dissidents overseas
    • The privatization of espionage and spycraft
    • The link between surveillance capitalism and private espionage
    • What liberal democracies can do to defend civil society


    Key Links

    Citizen Lab

    Seymour Martin Lipset Lecture "Digital Subversion: The Threat to Democracy" by Ronald Deibert

    "Subversion Inc: The Age of Private Espionage" by Ronald Deibert in Journal of Democracy

    Democracy Paradox Podcast

    Can Democracy Survive the Internet? Nate Persily and Josh Tucker on Social Media and Democracy

    Winston Mano on Social Media and Politics in Africa… And what America can Learn from Africa about Democracy

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    Apes of the State created all Music

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    Thomas Piketty on Equality May 03, 2022
    Show notes

    Pure economic factors or technological factors or the level of economic development or level of technological development cannot explain the diversity of levels of inequality and structure of inequality that we observe throughout history.

    Thomas Piketty
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    Thomas Piketty is Professor at the École des Hautes Études en Sciences Sociales (EHESS) and the Paris School of Economics and Codirector of the World Inequality Lab. He is also the author of A Brief History of Equality.
    Support Democracy Paradox on Patreon for bonus episodes and exclusive updates and information.
    Key Highlights

    • The Case for Reparations for Haiti
    • An Account of the Historical Movement Toward Greater Equality
    • Economic Inequality as a Political Construction
    • Should Economic Equality be the Goal of the State?
    • Is Thomas Piketty Optimistic for the Future?


    Key Links

    A Brief History of Equalityby Thomas Piketty

    Capital in the Twenty-First Century by Thomas Piketty

    Follow Thomas Piketty on Twitter @PikettyLeMonde


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    Joseph Fishkin on the Constitution, American History, and Economic Inequality

    Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson on the Plutocratic Populism of the Republican Party

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    Apes of the State created all Music

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    Marta Dyczok and Andriy Kulykov on the Media, Information Warriors, and the Future of Ukraine Apr 26, 2022
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    I heard a verified story of a person who made his way with his family from an occupied town listening to our broadcast, because we were telling them where it was dangerous for them to go and where it was more or less safe to go. So, radio actually saves lives. I probably cannot save lives otherwise. But I can with the help of radio.

    Andriy Kulykov
    Recorded on April 19th, 2022.
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    Marta Dyczok is an Associate Professor at the Departments of History and Political Science, Western University, Canada. She was the host of the podcast Ukraine Calling. Andriy Kulykov is co-founder and Chairperson of Hromadske Radio.
    Support Democracy Paradox on Patreon for bonus episodes and exclusive updates and information.
    Key Highlights

    • A Short History of Hromadske Radio
    • Do Journalists in Ukraine Consider Themselves Information Warriors
    • The Importance of Media Literacy in a War
    • How Radio Can Saved Lives in Ukraine
    • Andriy's Thoughts on Ukrainian Identity


    Key Links

    Ukraine Calling: A Kaleidoscope from Hromadske Radio 2016–2019edited by Marta Dyczok

    Listen to the Ukraine Calling Podcast

    Learn more about Hromadske Radio


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    Between Russia and China: Anja Mihr on Central Asia

    Joshua Yaffa on Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin’s Russia

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