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    Democracy Paradox

    Is it possible for a democracy to govern undemocratically? Can the people elect an undemocratic leader? Is it possible for democracy to bring about authoritarianism? And if so, what does this say about democracy? ​​My name is Justin Kempf. Every week I talk to the brightest minds on subjects like international relations, political theory, and history to explore democracy from every conceivable angle. Topics like civil resistance, authoritarian successor parties, and the autocratic middle class challenge our ideas about democracy. Join me as we unravel new topics every week.

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    Steven Levitsky and Lucan Way on the Durable Authoritarianism of Revolutionary Regimes Aug 30, 2022
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    People like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, they basically lashed out at the entire capitalist world and that lashing out created a counterrevolutionary armed struggle, which in turn contributed to their durability. So, it's that reckless behavior in creating enemies that ultimately led to their creating very strong authoritarian institutions.

    Lucan Way

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    Preorder Steven Levitsky and Lucan Way's new book Revolution and Dictatorship: The Violent Origins of Durable Authoritarianism here.
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Lucan Way is a professor of political science at the University of Toronto and Co-Director of the Petro Jacyk Program for the Study of Ukraine. Steven Levitsky is the David Rockefeller Professor of Latin American Studies, professor of government, and director of the David Rockefeller Center for Latin American Studies at Harvard University. They are also co-chairs of the editorial board at the Journal of Democracy. They are the authors of the forthcoming book Revolution and Dictatorship: The Violent Origins of Durable Authoritarianism.

    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:45
    • How Recklessness Leads to Authoritarian Durability - 3:17
    • Why Revolutions Abandon Pluralism - 16:53
    • Revolutions and Institution Building - 22:05
    • Why does Durable Authoritarianism Fail - 29:31
    • Is the Era of Revolutions Over - 38:01

    Key Links

    Revolution and Dictatorship: The Violent Origins of Durable Authoritarianism by Steven Levitsky and Lucan Way

    Competitive Authoritarianism: Hybrid Regimes after the Cold Warby Steven Levitsky and Lucan Way

    "The Durability of Revolutionary Regimes" by Steven Levitsky and Lucan Way in the Journal of Democracy

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    Lucan Way on Ukraine. Democracy in Hard Places.

    Mark Beissinger on Urban Civic Revolutions

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    Laura Gamboa on Opposition Strategies to Resist Democratic Erosion Aug 23, 2022
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    There's always another set of elections. So, let's set up for elections. Let's figure out how to mobilize people. Let's figure out how to engage them and answer the question, ‘Why they elected this person? What did we miss? What do we need to build? Which kind of program.’ I think using the streets is great, but definitely you need training… A lot of training.This is a long-term effort. It's not about calling you on Facebook for a demonstration and that's it.

    Laura Gamboa
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    Preorder Laura Gamboa's new book Resisting Backsliding: Opposition Strategies against the Erosion of Democracy here.
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Laura Gamboa is an Assistant Professor of Political Science at the University of Utah. She is the author of the forthcoming book Resisting Backsliding: Opposition Strategies against the Erosion of Democracy.

    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:47
    • Uribe was a Threat to Democracy - 3:11
    • Opposition Strategies in Colombia - 14:20
    • Opposition Strategies in Venezuela - 17:53
    • How Often do Aspiring Autocrats Get Elected - 27:03
    • Final Advice for Democratic Oppositions - 34:02


    Key Links

    Learn more about Laura Gamboa

    "The Peace Process and Colombia’s Elections" by Laura Gambia in the Journal of Democracy

    Resisting Backsliding: Opposition Strategies against the Erosion of Democracy by Laura Gamboa


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    Kim Lane Scheppele on Hungary, Viktor Orbán, and its Democratic Decline

    Caitlin Andrews-Lee on Charismatic Movements and Personalistic Leaders

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    Kim Lane Scheppele on Hungary, Viktor Orbán, and its Democratic Decline Aug 16, 2022
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    So, I came back from that trip and said to one of my good friends back in Budapest, ‘I think I've met the most dangerous person I've ever met personally.’ And she said, ‘Oh Viktor, he's nothing. He's like a kid. He's in his thirties.’ I mean, he was an aspiring politician at this point. His party was at the bottom of the polls. It didn't look like he had any future. And I said, ‘No, this guy has something. It's hard to define what it is, but we're going to be hearing from him.’

    Kim Lane Scheppele
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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Kim Lane Scheppele is the Laurance S. Rockefeller Professor of Sociology and International Affairs and the University Center for Human Values at Princeton University.

    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:50
    • Kim Lane Scheppele meets Viktor Orbán - 2:45
    • Viktor Orbán as Prime Minister 1998-2002 - 9:21
    • Hungary Changes its Constitution 15:56
    • Orbán Undermines Democracy Legally - 26:32
    • Why do Voters Support Orbán and Fidesz - 41:48

    Key Links

    Learn more about Kim Lane Scheppele

    "How Viktor Orbán Wins" by Kim Lane Scheppele in the Journal of Democracy

    9/11 and the Rise of Global Anti-Terrorism Law: How the UN Security Council Rules the World edited by Kim Lane Scheppele and Arianna Vedaschi

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    Moisés Naím on the New Dynamics of Political Power

    Stephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman on Democratic Backsliding

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    Jessica Pisano on How Zelenskyy Changed Ukraine Aug 09, 2022
    Show notes

    There were lots of opportunities for a certain part of Ukrainian society to encounter Zelenskyy and to feel that they knew him. He was not an unknown quantity when he ran for president. So, I think that's important for us to keep in mind. I would say the so-called Western World is still discovering who he is, but his loyalty, his integrity, his ideas or his group's ideas about Ukrainian political nationhood have been in the works for a long time.

    Jessica Pisano
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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Jessica Pisano is Associate Professor in the Department of Politics at the New School for Social Research. She is the author of "How Zelensky Changed Ukraine" in the Journal of Democracy and Staging Democracy: Political Performance in Ukraine, Russia, and Beyond.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:49
    • Early Career of Zelenskyy - 2:58
    • What is Political Theater? - 10:30
    • Zelenskyy Changes Politics in Ukraine - 17:26
    • Zelenskyy as President - 22:43
    • Future of Ukraine - 30:41


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    Learn more about Jessica Pisano

    "How Zelensky Changed Ukraine" by Jessica Pisano in the Journal of Democracy

    Staging Democracy: Political Performance in Ukraine, Russia, and Beyond by Jessica Pisano


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    Michael McFaul and Robert Person on Putin, Russia, and the War in Ukraine

    Lucan Way on Ukraine. Democracy in Hard Places.

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    Neil DeVotta on the Protests in Sri Lanka Aug 02, 2022
    Show notes

    As long as people are able to cast their ballot, irrespective of the illiberalism, irrespective of all these other shortcomings, democracy, at least from a voting standpoint, has the capacity to surprise.

    Neil Devotta
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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Neil DeVotta is professor of politics and international affairs at Wake Forest University. His article "Sri Lanka's Agony" was published in this July's issue of Journal of Democracy.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:38
    • Overview of the Protests - 3:15
    • Protests After the Rajapaksas - 15:16
    • Background on the Rajapaksas - 24:58
    • Sri Lanka and Democracy - 30:31
    • Future of Sri Lanka - 34:11


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    Learn more about Neil DeVotta

    "Sri Lanka's Agony" by Neil DeVotta in the Journal of Democracy

    "Sri Lanka: The Return to Ethnocracy" by Neil DeVotta in the Journal of Democracy


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    Ashutosh Varshney on India. Democracy in Hard Places

    Mark Beissinger on Urban Civic Revolutions

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    Aynne Kokas on the Intersection Between Surveillance Capitalism and Chinese Sharp Power (or How Much Does the CCP Already Know About You?) Jul 26, 2022
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    The US consumer system is uniquely exploitative. US consumers are exploited by American companies, by French companies, by German companies, by Chinese companies, because there aren't laws protecting consumer data privacy that extend widely across the US consumer ecosystem. The main difference with Chinese companies is that the Chinese government has established an entire framework that pressures Chinese firms to share their data with Chinese government regulators.

    Aynne Kokas
    Support Democracy Paradox on Patreon for bonus episodes and exclusive updates and information.
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Aynne Kokas is an associate professor of media studies and the C.K. Yen Chair at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center. Her most recent book is Trafficking Data: How China Is Winning the Battle for Digital Sovereignty. Her article "How Beijing Runs the Show in Hollywood" was published in this April's issue of Journal of Democracy.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:50
    • Video Games as Social Media - 3:02
    • Chinese Brands in the US Tech Market - 11:34
    • Party Control of China's Tech Industry - 19:40
    • America's Lack of Tech Regulations - 28:36
    • The Big Picture - 37:03


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    Trafficking Data: How China Is Winning the Battle for Digital Sovereigntyby Aynne Kokas

    "How Beijing Runs the Show in Hollywood" by Aynne Kokas in the Journal of Democracy

    Visit the Miller Center at the University of Virginia


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    Ronald Deibert from Citizen Lab on Cyber Surveillance, Digital Subversion, and Transnational Repression

    Mareike Ohlberg on the Global Influence of the Chinese Communist Party

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    Michael McFaul and Robert Person on Putin, Russia, and the War in Ukraine Jul 19, 2022
    Show notes

    There are a lot of people quietly who are deeply frustrated with this war. Every rich person in Russia with one or two exceptions are frustrated with this war. I think many of the so-called liberal technocratic elites in the government are frustrated with this war. Lots of regional leaders are frustrated with this war. It's not just the vocal opposition. I think there's a quiet minority and maybe even majority that is exhausted with what Putin has done.

    Michael McFaul
    Support Democracy Paradox on Patreon for bonus episodes and exclusive updates and information.
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Michael McFaul, former U.S. ambassador to Russia, is professor of political science at Stanford University, director of the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies, and Peter and Helen Bing Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution. His most recent book is From Cold War to Hot Peace: An American Ambassador in Putin’s Russia (2018). Robert Person is associate professor of international relations at the U.S. Military Academy, director of its international affairs curriculum, and faculty affiliate at its Modern War Institute. Their essay "What Putin Fears Most" was published as an online exclusive from the Journal of Democracy in February and was included in the April 2022 issue.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction 0:48
    • Personal Account from Michael McFaul 3:16
    • Putin's Objectives 7:44
    • What would Russia be like without Putin? 12:22
    • Challenges for democracy in Ukraine 20:10
    • Effectiveness of sanctions 24:15
    • Where is the Russian Revolution going? 27:11


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    Learn more about Michael McFaul

    "What Putin Fears Most" by Robert Person and Michael McFaul in the Journal of Democracy

    From Cold War To Hot Peace: An American Ambassador in Putin's Russia by Michael McFaul

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    Kathryn Stoner on How Putin’s War has Ruined Russia

    Marta Dyczok and Andriy Kulokov on the Media, Information Warriors, and the Future of Ukraine

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    Scott Mainwaring on Argentina and a Final Reflection on Democracy in Hard Places Jul 12, 2022
    Show notes

    I think they're really important. But I don't think that they are a complete safeguard. Certainly, when you create democracies in hard places, you want to think very carefully about what institutions you want in place and how you strengthen them. But if you get illiberal governing parties in democracies in hard places, they can run over institutions.

    Scott Mainwaring
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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Scott Mainwaring is the Eugene P. and Helen Conley Professor of Political Science at the University of Notre Dame. He is also a faculty fellow at the Kellogg Institute for International Studies, where he previously served as director for 13 years and is a current Advisory Board member. He is the coeditor (with Tarek Masoud) of Democracy in Hard Places.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction 0:47
    • Why is Argentina a hard place for democracy? 2:35
    • Are democracies in hard places the exception or the norm? 9:19
    • Is Peronism a threat to democracy? 12:01
    • How can democracies strengthen institutions? 19:32
    • What role do citizens play? 33:27


    Key Links

    Learn more about Scott Mainwaring

    "The Fates Of Third-Wave Democracies" by Scott Mainwaring and Fernando Bizarro in the Journal of Democracy

    Democracy in Hard Places edited by Scott Mainwaring and Tarek Masoud


    Democracy Paradox Podcast

    Lucan Way on Ukraine. Democracy in Hard Places.

    Rachel Beatty Riedl on Benin. Democracy in Hard Places.

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    Lucan Way on Ukraine. Democracy in Hard Places Jul 05, 2022
    Show notes

    The war is never going to really end. Because even in the most optimistic scenario where Ukraine regains its territory and it goes back to the 1991 borders, Russia is almost certainly going to present a permanent threat to Ukrainian sovereignty. I think objectively it will. But even if objectively it wasn’t, after such an invasion, you can imagine the political environment's going to treat it as one.

    Lucan Way
    Support Democracy Paradox on Patreon for bonus episodes and exclusive updates and information.
    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Lucan Way is a Professor of Political Science at the University of Toronto. He coauthored (along with Steven Levitsky) Competitive Authoritarianism: Hybrid Regimes After the Cold War. He has a new book also coauthored with Steven Levitsky due this fall called Revolution and Dictatorship: The Violent Origins of Durable Authoritarianism. He is the author of the chapter "Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine: Democratic Moments in the Former Soviet Union" in the book Democracy in Hard Places.
    Key Highlights

    • What makes Zelensky such a special leader?
    • Why wasn't Ukraine considered more democratic before Russia's invasion?
    • How has the war impacted democracy in Ukraine?
    • What role did Ukraine's ethnic pluralism contribute to democratization?
    • What challenges will Ukrainian democracy face after its war with Russia?


    Key Links

    Revolution and Dictatorship: The Violent Origins of Durable Authoritarianism by Steven Levitsky and Lucan Way

    Follow the Lucan Way on Twitter @LucanWay

    "The Rebirth of the Liberal World Order?" by Lucan Way in the Journal of Democracy

    Democracy in Hard Places edited by Scott Mainwaring and Tarek Masoud


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    Sarah Repucci from Freedom House with an Update on Freedom in the World

    Stephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman on Democratic Backsliding

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    Michael Coppedge on Why Democracies Emerge, Why They Decline, and Varieties of Democracy (V-Dem) Jun 28, 2022
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    Democracy is a complex concept. It has to do with elections. It has to do with legislatures. It has to do with civil society organizations and courts and political styles of politicians. There's a lot packed into the concept and it's multidimensional, because some of these components don't move together.

    Michael Coppedge
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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Michael Coppedge is a Professor of Political Science at the University of Notre Dame, a principal investigator of the Varieties of Democracy project, and a faculty fellow at the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. He is a coeditor (along with Amanda Edgell, Carl Henrik Knutsen, and Staffan Lindberg) of Why Democracies Develop and Decline.
    Key Highlights

    • Democracy as a multidimensional concept
    • How the conditions for democratization differ from those for backsliding
    • Ways researchers use information from V-Dem to discover new insights about democracy
    • New findings from V-Dem research regarding presidentialism, party system institutionalization, and anti-system parties
    • How has V-Dem changed research about democracy


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    Learn more about the Varieties of Democracy Project

    Follow the V-Dem Institute on Twitter @vdeminstitute

    Why Democracies Develop and Decline edited by Michael Coppedge, Amanda B. Edgell, Carl Henrik Knutsen and Staffan I. Lindberg


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    Sarah Repucci from Freedom House with an Update on Freedom in the World

    Stephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman on Democratic Backsliding

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