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    Cybersecurity Where You Are (video)

    Welcome to video version of “Cybersecurity Where You Are,” the podcast of the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Cybersecurity affects us all, so join us on Wednesdays as Sean Atkinson, CISO at CIS; Tony Sager, SVP & Chief Evangelist at CIS; and Ed Skoudis, President of the SANS Technology Institute discuss trends and threats, explore security best practices, and interview experts in the industry. Together, we’ll clarify these issues, Creating Confidence in the Connected World®. Subscribe to the audio version of our podcast here: https://fast.wistia.net/embed/channel/wbyhaw35xf?wchannelid=wbyhaw35xf.

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    Episode 141: A Human-Centered Take on Password Policies Jun 25, 2025
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    In episode 141 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Tony Sager is joined by Phyllis Lee, VP of SBP Content Development at the Center for Internet Security®(CIS®); and Julie Haney, Computer Scientist & Human-Centered Cybersecurity Researcher at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Together, they use a human-centered understanding of security to discuss password policies, including their benefits, drawbacks, and efficacy. Here are some highlights from our episode:

    • 01:03. Introductions to Phyllis and Julie
    • 03:34. How "human-centered cybersecurity" goes beyond just usability
    • 05:35. The use of NIST and other authoritative sources to dispel confusion in cybersecurity
    • 09:09. How password policies positively and negatively impact human behavior
    • 15:06. Three anecdotes that showcase the importance of context when enacting security policy
    • 21:49. The process of using NIST SP 800-63 to recommend password security best practices
    • 27:11. Our changing understanding of "the human element"
    • 29:23. The need to do cybersecurity awareness training "right" and measure its effectiveness
    • 31:30. Recognition of the absence of natural systems thinking in cybersecurity
    • 33:14. Psychological safety, feedback, and trust as foundations of security culture
    • 39:03. Human touchpoints as a starting point to help usability and security work together

    Resources

    • CIS Password Policy Guide
    • NIST SP 800-63 Digital Identity Guidelines
    • Episode 98: Transparency as a Tool to Combat Insider Threats
    • Episode 110: How Security Culture and Corporate Culture Mesh
    • Why Employee Cybersecurity Awareness Training Is Important

    If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.


    Episode 140: Threat-Informed Travel Safety Tips Jun 18, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 140 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson is joined by John Cohen, Executive Director of the Program for Countering Hybrid Threats at the Center for Internet Security®(CIS®). Together, they discuss travel safety tips informed by today's evolving multidimensional threat environment. Here are some highlights from our episode:

    • 01:30. The most overlooked security risks we need to take seriously whenever we travel
    • 03:42. How threat actors can exploit our tendency to overshare online
    • 07:25. Top security practices you can use to safely plan your next trip
    • 12:28. The value of playing out your travels' worst-case scenario before you leave
    • 16:02. The benefits and drawbacks of using electronic navigations systems while traveling
    • 18:00. Videos as a means of attuning to the "flow" of a different place and/or culture
    • 24:10. Which types of people make attractive targets for foreign intelligence services
    • 25:05. Honeypot operations in the physical and digital worlds
    • 27:24. Opportunities to protect the technology on which we rely

    Resources

    • ThreatWA™
    • Travel.State.Gov
    • A Short Guide for Spotting Phishing Attempts
    • 8 Security Essentials for Managing Your Online Presence
    • Election Security Spotlight – Social Engineering

    If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.


    Episode 139: Community Building for the Cyber-Underserved Jun 11, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 139 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Tony Sager is joined by Amelia Gifford, Sr. Manager, Administration, at the Center for Internet Security®(CIS®); and George Bailey, Director of Purdue cyberTAP. Together, they discuss how the 2025 grant from the Alan Paller Laureate Program will support Purdue cyberTAP's mission of community building for the cyber-underserved. Here are some highlights from our episode:

    • 01:02. Honoring a legacy of making cybersecurity practical and accessible
    • 03:34. The business of giving products away to benefit the cybersecurity community
    • 05:00. The use of the CIS Critical Security Controls (CIS Controls) to help rural electricity cooperatives in Indiana
    • 11:00. Methodology, tooling, and repeatability as part of a lifecycle of realizing a good idea
    • 11:56. Cross-Mapping as a means to help people live with so many security frameworks
    • 12:59. Accountability and re-assessment as methods for measuring program success
    • 14:59. The power of community in prioritizing the CIS Controls
    • 16:38. Community building as a way to navigate the cybersecurity business together
    • 17:42. A controlled Controls experiment to generate data, learn lessons, and create feedback
    • 19:03. Progress reporting as a way to foster connections
    • 24:39. Feedback on the Alan Paller Laureate Program application process
    • 26:30. Focus on cybersecurity community impact as a consideration for future applicants
    • 30:31. Parting thoughts about the grant program and an invitation to reach out to George

    Resources

    • Center for Internet Security Awards Nearly $250,000 to Purdue University’s Technical Assistance Program
    • Episode 114: 3 Board Chairs Reflect on 25 Years of Community
    • Episode 97: How Far We've Come preceding CIS's 25th Birthday
    • CIS Critical Security Controls v8.1 Industrial Control Systems (ICS) Guide
    • SEC366: CIS Implementation Group 1™
    • How to Plan a Cybersecurity Roadmap in 4 Steps
    • CIS SecureSuite® Membership
    • Mapping and Compliance with the CIS Controls
    • Reasonable Cybersecurity Guide

    If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.


    Episode 138: The Use of GenAI to Refine Your TTX Development Jun 04, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 138 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson is joined by Timothy Davis, Lead Cyber Threat Intelligence (CTI) Analyst at the Center for Internet Security®(CIS®). Together, they discuss how organizations can use Generative Artificial Intelligence (GenAI) to refine how they develop Tabletop Exercises (TTXs). Here are some highlights from our episode:

    • 01:49. Why TTXs function as a "blue sky" opportunity for crisis management and preparedness
    • 04:33. A quick recap of how GenAI stands apart from traditional AI
    • 06:19. The direct relationship between input and output when measuring GenAI content quality
    • 07:36. TTXs as a use case for GenAI to help the "cyber-underserved"
    • 10:14. How GenAI can quickly customize TTXs for different organizations and threat models
    • 13:56. The use of GenAI to improve TTX facilitation, regularity, and cost
    • 17:22. GenAI as an inspiration to act on the findings of a simulation
    • 18:26. Risks and ethical concerns to keep in mind for GenAI-enhanced TTX development
    • 24:46. Where humans can still play a part in augmented exercises
    • 30:08. Closing thoughts about the future of GenAI

    Resources

    • Leveraging Generative Artificial Intelligence for Tabletop Exercise Development
    • Episode 134: How GenAI Lowers Bar for Cyber Threat Actors
    • Episode 89: How Threat Actors Are Using GenAI as an Enabler
    • DeepSeek: A New Player in the Global AI Race
    • Multi-State Information Sharing and Analysis Center®

    If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.


    Episode 137: National Cybersecurity Through SLTT Resilience May 28, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 137 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by Terry Loftus, Assistant Superintendent (Chief Information Officer) of Integrated Technology Services at the San Diego County Office of Education (SDCOE); and Netta Squires, President of Government Affairs, Cybersecurity, & Resilience at Open District Solutions (ODS). Together, they discuss how the Multi-State Information Sharing and Analysis Center® (MS-ISAC®) functions as a space for U.S. State, Local, Tribal, and Territorial (SLTT) entities to collectively strengthen their cyber resilience in support of U.S. national cybersecurity. Here are some highlights from our episode:

    • 01:15. A study to understand the cybersecurity perspectives of the MS-ISAC community
    • 03:24. The need for sustained cyber defense accelerators to drive U.S. SLTT resilience
    • 07:31. How surveys and focus groups uncovered U.S. SLTT cybersecurity funding, staffing, and governance challenges
    • 13:06. The superpower of cyber threat intelligence driven, tailored, and provided via community
    • 17:41. Trust as a foundation for building relationships among MS-ISAC members and partners
    • 21:26. How the MS-ISAC moved community cyber defense from conversational to operational
    • 22:22. The role of trust in making membership affordable and solutions at scale possible
    • 25:00. Opportunities for relationship building, training, and access to services in the MS-ISAC
    • 30:00. Examples of MS-ISAC success stories and the need to share them
    • 33:40. The MS-ISAC as a space to craft a strategic path for national cybersecurity
    • 36:29. Closing thoughts on how members value and can get involved in the MS-ISAC

    Resources

    • Strengthening Critical Infrastructure: SLTT Progress & Priorities
    • Malicious Domain Blocking and Reporting (MDBR)
    • Episode 126: A Day in the Life of a CTI Analyst
    • Why Whole-of-State Cybersecurity Is the Way Forward
    • MS-ISAC: Defending America’s Critical Infrastructure

    If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.


    Episode 136: How WiCyS Advances Women in Cybersecurity May 21, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 136 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined live by Lynn Dohm, Executive Director of Women in CyberSecurity (WiCyS). Together, they discuss how WiCyS works to advance women in cybersecurity. Here are some highlights from our episode:

    • 01:03. A mission of recruiting, retaining, and advancing women in cybersecurity
    • 05:38. How community-focused conferences and scholarships promote community growth
    • 06:25. The need to celebrate the work of and encourage support among cyber defenders
    • 08:52. Four strategic pillars as a foundation for navigating COVID, societal change, and more
    • 13:50. The importance of laying out cybersecurity career paths outside of individual companies
    • 15:15. How a foundation of inclusion enables diversity to expand
    • 19:45. The use of strategic partners to anticipate changing cybersecurity and hiring needs
    • 22:38. Inside the successes of the mentorships and other WiCyS programs
    • 28:22. The impact of Alan Paller on opening doors for WiCyS
    • 32:35. How volunteerism supports retention in cybersecurity through inclusion and satisfaction

    Resources

    • Episode 77: Data's Value to Decision-Making in Cybersecurity
    • Episode 120: How Contextual Awareness Drives AI Governance
    • Alan Paller Laureate Program
    • Episode 30: Solving Cybersecurity at Scale with Nonprofits

    If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.


    Episode 135: Five Lightning Chats at RSAC Conference 2025 May 14, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 135 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson is joined live at RSAC Conference 2025 by five attendees, including two Center for Internet Security® (CIS®) employees. He conducts a lightning chat with each attendee to get their thoughts about the conference, how it reflects the changing cybersecurity industry, and the role CIS plays in this ongoing evolution. Here are some highlights from our episode:

    00:40. Stephanie Gass, Sr. Director of Information Security at CIS

    • How to start creating a policy and make it effective through implementation processes
    • A transition to an approach integrating mappings for CIS security best practices
    • The use of GenAI and security champions to make this transition

    04:08. Brad Bock, Director of Product Management at Chainguard

    • Building and compiling security from the ground up in open-source container images
    • Trusting pre-packaged software in an increasingly complex world
    • Support of customer compliance with attestation, SBOMs, and vulnerability remediation

    07:43. Stephane Auger, Vice President Technologies and CISO at Équipe Microfix

    • Customer awareness and other top challenges for MSPs and MSSPs
    • The use of case studies and referrals to communicate the importance of cybersecurity
    • A growing emphasis on cyber risk insurance as media attention around breaches grows

    11:36. Brent Holt, Director of Cybersecurity Technology at Edge Solutions LLC

    • How the CIS Critical Security Controls facilitates a consultative approach to customers
    • The importance of knowing where each company is in their use of GenAI
    • Mapping elements of a portfolio to CIS security best practices

    17:23. Mishal Makshood, Sr. Cloud Security Account Executive at CIS

    • The use of learning and research to investigate GenAI's utility for CIS
    • An aspiration to scale efficiency and drive improvements with GenAI training
    • A reminder to augment human thought, not replace it, with GenAI

    Resources

    • Episode 63: Building Capability and Integration with SBOMs
    • Mapping and Compliance
    • Cybersecurity for MSPs, MSSPs, & Consultants
    • Episode 130: The Story and Future of CIS Thought Leadership

    If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.


    Episode 134: How GenAI Lowers Bar for Cyber Threat Actors May 07, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 134 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson is joined by Randy Rose, VP of Security Operations & Intelligence at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®); and Timothy Davis, Lead Cyber Threat Intelligence (CTI) Analyst at CIS. Together, they discuss how generative artificial intelligence (GenAI) lowers the barrier of entry for cyber threat actors (CTAs). Here are some highlights from our episode:

    • 01:37. CTAs' use of GenAI to improve their existing campaigns
    • 03:38. The need for CTI teams to look beyond language in analyzing GenAI-enabled threats
    • 07:22. The evolving impact of GenAI on phishing campaigns, malware development, deepfakes, and malicious Artificial Intelligence as a Service (AIaaS) offerings
    • 12:28. How GenAI increases the the speed at which CTAs can scale their efforts
    • 17:29. Technical barriers and other limitations that shape CTAs' use of GenAI
    • 22:46. A historical perspective of AI-enabled cybersecurity and how GenAI can support cybersecurity awareness training
    • 26:50. The cybersecurity benefits of AI and machine learning (ML) capabilities for clustering data
    • 29:05. What the future might hold for GenAI from an offensive and defensive perspective

    Resources

    • The Evolving Role of Generative Artificial Intelligence in the Cyber Threat Landscape
    • Episode 89: How Threat Actors Are Using GenAI as an Enabler
    • Episode 95: AI Augmentation and Its Impact on Cyber Defense
    • 12 CIS Experts' Cybersecurity Predictions for 2025
    • CIS Critical Security Controls®
    • Multi-State Information Sharing and Analysis Center®

    If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.


    Episode 133: DieNet's DDoS Hacktivism and Evolving TTPs Apr 30, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 133 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson is joined by Lauren McFayden, Threat Intelligence Analyst at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss the Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) hacktivism of DieNet and how the group continues to evolve its Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures (TTPs). Here are some highlights from our episode:

    • 01:22. An overview of DieNet and its emergence on Telegram
    • 01:55. DDoS attacks and the potential for service disruptions
    • 02:55. DieNet's pro-Palestinian ideology and opposition to the 47th U.S. Presidential Administration
    • 05:00. U.S. and foreign targets claimed by the group
    • 06:30. DieNet's history of claiming attacks against U.S. critical national infrastructure (CNI)
    • 10:33. Two pieces of evidence used to partially assess the credibility of a claimed attack
    • 15:16. How DieNet v2 suggests an escalation of attack strategies
    • 20:43. How the DDoS hacktivist group may continue to evolve its TTPs in subsequent versions
    • 23:48. The use of the CIS Critical Security Controls (CIS Controls) to reduce an attack surface
    • 25:56. How ThreatWA stands out in keeping you informed about emerging threats

    Resources

    • Hacktivist Group DieNet Claims DDoS Attacks against U.S. CNI
    • MS-ISAC Guide to DDoS Attacks
    • ThreatWA
    • CIS Critical Security Control 1: Inventory and Control of Enterprise Assets
    • CIS Critical Security Control 2: Inventory and Control of Software Assets
    • CIS Critical Security Control 3: Data Protection
    • Episode 44: A Zero Trust Framework Knows No End

    If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.


    Episode 132: Day One, Step One, Dollar One for Cybersecurity Apr 23, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 132 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson is joined by Valecia Stocchetti, Sr. Cybersecurity Engineer of the CIS Critical Security Controls (CIS Controls) at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss what the first day, step, and dollar of implementing a controls framework look like for organizations stepping into their cybersecurity journey. Here are some highlights from our episode:

    • 01:54. Building and improving a cybersecurity program through the power of consensus
    • 04:55. The use of an assessment to determine where you are and where you're going
    • 09:15. How cross-mapping to multiple frameworks simplifies regulatory compliance efforts
    • 12:00. The use of governance to secure leadership buy-in for your cybersecurity program
    • 13:33. Continuous auditing and monitoring as tools for adapting to change
    • 15:10. How Controls prioritization flows through the Implementation Groups (IGs)
    • 19:39. Leadership as the backbone for getting any business program off the ground
    • 22:59. Calculating the cost of cyber defense as a preventative action
    • 24:55. Tradeoffs with security tools to keep in mind so that you can budget efficiently
    • 30:00. Qualifications when using security offerings of MSPs and CSPs

    Resources

    • CIS Community Defense Model 2.0
    • How Risk Quantification Tests Your Reasonable Cyber Defense
    • CIS Controls Self Assessment Tool (CIS CSAT)
    • Guide to Implementation Groups (IG): CIS Critical Security Controls v8.1
    • How to Plan a Cybersecurity Roadmap in 4 Steps
    • The Cost of Cyber Defense: CIS Controls IG1

    If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.


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