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Taking time to look back and move forward. Conversations With KD episodes are derived from the recordings of KD’s online events from his home during the 2020/ 2021 days of social distancing and quarantine from the onset of COVID and beyond. Call and Response Special Edition Conversations With KD June 6 2020 Namaste everybody. Can you send some chai over from India? I didn’t bring my tea this morning. I’m a train station. Only best jive. So nice to see you all. And anybody have anything to say? How are you? I’m doing good. How are you? Good morning, I guess. Thank you. It’s a little early for me to be a good morning person. I don’t go to sleep till like three or four. And then when, when everybody gets up and go to sleep, right? My question, I have at least two questions because I’ve been waiting for a long time, like past giant chats. So the first question was that Ron does in his, one of his talks, he said that eventually not having something turns out we more interesting than having something. Not getting what you want. Turns out to be more interesting than getting what you want. This is what I’m Gracie will cause wishful thinking. Um, yeah. So then your question is what my question is, what So what is the question again, is that I wanted you to know, I can interpret that in my model of thinking, but I, because you are more aligned to who Ramdas was, so you can probably better explain what he meant by that, because I, in my set of morality and the set of values, I can interpret. But I need to know what you think of that. I think he was talking from a point of view of spiritual practice. When you deny yourself something that you want, or you don’t take it, then you see all your stuff immediately. You start thinking obsessing about it. Then you start thinking about it. It brings up everything in you that wants to grab onto something. Uh, I think that’s really what he meant. It wasn’t, it was pretty, uh, pretty Maharaj Maharaji used to say you want it, don’t take it like that. So of course who’s, who’s capable of that, not me and most people, but when you don’t immediately take something that you want and you go for instant gratification, when you don’t do that, you see your reactions, you see how attached you are to something, how much you’re invested in trying to grab something outside of yourself in order to get it. So I think it’s just a practice issue, not really in terms of daily life and going through the day and relationships, but with people and things, but in internally, if you don’t immediately go for something and grab it, you see the part of you that continually obsesses about it and wants it and can’t let go. And then you start dealing with that place with yourself and that’s good work. It’s good work. So the second question was about the prayer and it says that yet read the So that probably means that wherever there is a key than four by one and a mile deep probably shows themselves in one form or another. So in your 50 years of gluten, has anybody ever come up to you and said that they might have seen Maharaji in any form? You know, people who have their astral eyes open, so to speak, you know, there and can see other planes of consciousness. They always tell me that whenever I sing to her edgy comes and sits right next to me and plays with me and laughs and pushes me around and everything while I’m singing and stuff like that. But I don’t see them. I don’t have those experiences. It’s nice to hear that. Even if it’s a fantasy, I like it. I’ll take it. That’s all. That’s all I can work upon. You know, I sang in through phenomena, like at the a couple of years I saw that. Yeah. It’s amazing. I was so shocked. They invited me. It was really okay. That was the first time you sang in deli too, right? No, I think I had sung in Delhi before that stainless not in 2015. I think it was, maybe it was better than me. I just wake up and look around all day and then go back to sleep. I don’t know what time it is or what they, or what year? No, that’s good. Thank you. Hello. Thank you, Krishna DAS. It’s great to see you this morning. I thought you must be in India because of the time I thought, well, there’s the us is going to be up at 10 30 in the morning. Yeah, I thought so too. Anyway, I just want to talk a little bit about the times and get your take and some advice. So in the United States here, I’m in San Francisco, um, and, uh, you know, there’s a lot going on and a lot of it is very, a lot of it is good. Um, and they, I guess those things are not mutually exclusive. Uh, so, you know, a lot of us are feeling a little torn with, you know, being told to stay home, to be safe from the pandemic and having these wonderful, peaceful protests going on that are long overdue. And I feel like we have a real momentum and change opportunity, uh, for the better. Um, but I also want to, you know, be concerned about my own, uh, not getting too much caught up in outcome. Um, and I don’t want to create more karma for myself or others. And it sort of brings me back to the, the part of the, the godlike Gita, where, um, rom is about to go into battle, but is it’s hard as broken and he can’t go and kill his basically other family members. And I’m wondering if that’s, if there’s a lesson there that I could work with, um, or if you have any other perspective. So that’s, that’s what I’d like to talk about. Well, there’s a lot of lessons there more than I could even ever understand. One thing that Sri Krishna says to Argentina. When Argenta says, I can’t go kill my families. You know, they’re all my, my relations. I can’t do that. Uh, Sri Krishna says your words sound wise, but are they real? Is it real wisdom or not? And then Christian begins to unpeel peel off the layers of delusion until finally by the middle of the Gita, he shows him his true form. And then it keeps on. It goes on after that as well. So that first chapter, you know, they say that every chapter, the Gita is, is a yoga. So the first chapter is called the yoga of the desolation of Argentina, which is the first step and on the path. You don’t, you can’t, you can’t move you. Can’t everything you want to do seems to be wrong. You’re, you’re required to do things that you feel required to, to throw out attachment, but it’s my family. What are you talking about? How do I not be attacked? So you seem to be fighting with yourself, but Krishna, uh, gradually show us and uncovers the truth for him. And then he, he sees that, that the right thing to do in his situation is to fight, but he has that experience himself based on his, the visions that Sri Krishna gives to him. So for us who are stepping chapter one, the preamble, it’s like, wait a minute, how do we get the chapter two? You know? So first of all, in terms of the pen, You have to be healthy. You can’t do anything without embody on this plane. So that’s, you don’t want to jeopardize that. So step one, of course, we don’t want to jeopardize the health of our body because without a body, we’ll be, uh, we won’t be here able to do anything at this point. So that’s step one. Step two is about the social action. The situation is horrific. You know, this, this is, this racism has been going on since day one and it has to be rooted out and it has to be destroyed. And it has to a new way of incorporating all, all of us into a righteous and just system has to develop. So everybody has to do what they’re called to do from their own part. So you have to see what, what works for you. You’re the only one who, who knows, nobody else can tell you, you have to listen to your heart and find out what’s right for you. Uh, there are other ways to help, uh, then go into the streets necessarily. You have things that can be done without going to the street and jeopardizing your health. So, um, this is no different than every day. It’s just becoming more apparent. This is and going on in America and in the world all over for men, you know, since then. So yeah, I forget who it was. I think it was the poet beer. Maybe that Maharaji quoted. He said, you know, you can do whatever you do, but you don’t throw anyone out of here, but that’s hard. That’s a multilevel state. Because sometimes in order to, to, you have to say no to certain people, or you don’t have to say it with anger. You can say it with force, but if you are caught up in emotion, then you’re creating karmas. You’re always creating climates. Every thought is karma. So you have to choose what actions you, you, uh, th th you have to choose what actions you perform based on what you feel you want to happen, but even so the results of our actions. So not up to us, what’s up to us is to do what we do a hundred percent or give ourselves fully to it. But whether it works out the way we imagine it’s going to or not, that’s not up to us at all. So with that in mind, you go ahead and file. Just like RJ and I had to fight the key to the, to that whole thing is, uh, just to backtrack a little in the Mojave part there, which is where the bug of I get this from, uh, before the war, uh, both crude, both Arjun and dirty Odin, the bad guy suppose or bad guy go to ask Christina to help on their side and so dirty and then gets there first. And he sits at Christmas. Christian is asleep. So durian van Gogh gets there first and he sits at Krishna’s head by Krishna’s head. Arjun comes in right afterwards and stands like this at Christmas feat. So Krishna wakes up and he sees Arjun first. Then he sees 30th down. So they’re doing done, says I came first. I get to ask what I want. Christian says you came first, but I saw Arjun first. So what I’ll do is I’ll split, I’ll split myself in two, either. You can pick me or, and I won’t fight, or you can pick, you can have all my warriors, the greatest warriors. And, uh, so I’m going to just drop their child. Okay. Or you can, or you can have my, my whole army, your millions of the greatest warriors in the world. So dirty Don said, I’ll take your warriors. And at that moment, the fate was sealed because wherever Christie is there’s Victor. So we want to be with Krishna regardless of what we do. We want to have that awareness in our hearts as deeply as we can. According to how you know, how we see the world and what kind of practice we’ve done in our lives and where, where our vision is. We want to be with Christian, regardless of what we do, because there will be victory and who is Krishna. Krishna is our own true nature. So we want to follow our own truth as best we can and recognize that real victory may look different than most people think it will look. And that’s just the way it is. Not everybody gets what they want, even if they go fight for it, because there’s a, a logic behind the whole thing. That’s a functioning. And, uh, we’re not in charge of that, but that doesn’t mean we don’t fight. We fight and we give it our, all the thing about Argento, which made him the greatest warrior was that he had full concentration. He was able to give himself fully to what he was doing. There was no distraction, boom. And so that’s how we need to act. And if you’re angry and emotional, you’re not going to be able to give you a full, but you’re going to be, and all you’re going to be a churning churning inside. Yeah. So yeah, this is good. You know, it’s very hard to talk about this stuff with most people, because most people don’t, I don’t even feel that there’s anything to find in life besides pushing re reorganizing things on the physical plane, what to do. They each live by our own truth, our own understanding of things and do the best we can. Okay. Where in San Francisco are you. Very nice place. Very close to integral yoga institutes. I love it. I lived out there for a long time. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Hey Katie, how are you? Hello. How are you? This is, this is unbelievable. We saw you last Thursday. And then, uh, we, we thought, you know, we’ll do a giant chit chat with you. And, uh, so this is awesome. Um, my question was as a young 20 year old KV, going back as a young 20 year in his young, 20 year old, 20 year olds already. Sure. What made you, um, motivate to take this leap of a journey to India or, you know, As a young guy, who’s back like being from India, we usually are in that, you know, parents tell us, you know, you have to be an engineer, you have to be a doctor. So we are kind of trained and being the 32 years old right now, I am, it took me last four years to kind of understand what really matters and kind of focus on the spiritual side of life. Right? As a young, 20 year old kid, what made you do kind of take that progression towards this journey? You know, I remember when we first got to India, you know, there weren’t a lot of Westerners there yet. It was, uh, August, 1970 people looked at us like, what are you doing? How could you leave the country of everything for this country of nothing? You know, they, they, they just, you know, and we just looked at, we looked at them like they were. The country of everything sucks. You know, what’s wrong with you? There’s nothing there, but stuff. There’s no love there. There’s no happiness. There’s no peace. That’s what we want. We don’t want that shit. So it was like that, you know, but, uh, on a personal level, I always, my whole life, I always felt something was missing. Everything was just slightly out of focus. I don’t know how to explain it. No matter what I did, I wasn’t, uh, I couldn’t connect. I didn’t feel happy. I didn’t feel anything. Um, uh, I was just looking for something, you know, and I guess it was my friend gave me the first book I probably read about this stuff was the gospel of Veronica. I just couldn’t believe it, you know, it’s like, wow, I want that. You know? Um, yeah, there was no question about what, what it was like, everything over here is like a small little 10 watt bulb and this other stuff was like the sun. There was like, I want that. And was just, and I guess on one hand you could just say it’s, it was karmic ripening, you know, it was of some little degree, but there was no, and I, when I left for India, I was never coming back to America. I gave, I left, I sold everything I had, I gave my genes away, but, and of course I didn’t tell my mother that, uh, also in America at the time it was a very wild time. It was a very, uh, There were a lot of changes going on in the culture. People were starting to look for a deeper meaning in life. The fifties had been so gray, you know, so repressed, so, uh, you know, shirt and tie and, and no emotion. It just, yeah. So by the mid sixties, things were starting to change. People were looking for something deeper, it was like a whole wave, you know? So, uh, I was at, uh, when I was in college, uh, I re there was, they showed a movie, uh, but the punch really, it was such a Dick Ray’s first film as part of the APU trilogy, the first. And I, I was like, I could not, everything was familiar the way people move the way they talk, the way they spoke, the way that the jungle looked. And I was just like, it was like a memory I’m, everything was so familiar. And then there’s one part in the movie where a very emotional part and the mother and the film raises her head to, to cry out in grief. And she opens her mouth. But instead of her voice, you hear one note on the sitar, it goes like this, my mind shattered at that. And I said, I’m going to India like that, like that. Yeah. And it turns out that was the rubbish Shankar note on the sitar. He ma he did the soundtrack for that movie. So he just went around, you know, instead of her voice crying out, uh, her daughter had just died and she was raising. It was just completely cracking. And now I don’t know, I was just pulled totally pulled to India. That’s just the way it is, which is why I can’t speak Hindi because I think I should be able to, so I don’t want to study. Yeah. I don’t blame you. I speak baby talk. You, you speak pretty well. I must say yeah. For the four w…
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