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    Call and Response with Krishna Das

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    Ep.07 | Four Fruits Of Life Feb 06, 2019
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    Ep.07 ~ Four Fruits Of Life

    “Hanuman not only gives liberation, frees us, but in the process of freeing us, He allows us to satisfy the desires that we need to have satisfied to move on.”– Krishna Das

    Transcription:

    Q: In the practice that we’re doing, it’s said, “the Four Fruits of Life?”
    KD: Yeah, I let that out, didn’t I? The other day, when I was talking about Sri Gurucharana Saroja Raja.

    Q: What are the four fruits of life?
    KD: Artha, Kama, Dharma and Moksha. Wealth, or those kind of things. Kama which means your desires get fulfilled. Dharma, the dharma. Teachings. And Moksha, liberation. Those are the four fruits of life. The four things that we, the four fruits of life, of a good life is to have those four things. And Hanuman not only gives liberation, they say, this is a, I wish I had written, somewhere I had this Sanskrit of this, but Hanuman not only gives liberation, frees us, but in the process of freeing us, He allows us to satisfy the desires that we need to have satisfied to move on. Hunger for, you have to eat, right? It’s also a desire, to eat. But it’s also a need, so He gives us food. He creates, it’s like Maharajji, when He would bless us, He blessed us in so many ways, He changed our lives. For instance, my life is very, a 99% possibility that if my life had gone a certain way, I would have been dead by 23 or 24. That’s the way it was going. But because I came in contact with Maharajji, everything changed. I was able to avoid certain situations that would have ended my life and in fact, my life was transformed so that, for instance, I always wanted to be a rock and roll star, right? I wanted to be in a band, a musician. If I had stayed in the band involved with those people that I was, I would be dead now. So, here’s my life. It has a similar form, but it’s for a whole different reason. I’m in a band. Hallelujah. I’m in a band. I’m singing. I’m a big star. In a very small world. Who cares? But it’s not all about me. The whole motivation for doing this is to find myself. Not to manipulate other people into having a minute of pleasure that’s going to end in two seconds. It’s a totally different thing. It may even look the same, except the words are kind of weird. So, it’s all His blessing. He just did that. Boom. Next. It all changed. That’s the way, that’s Hanuman. That’s what He does. It’s not a renunciate path. You don’t have to sit at home, tie yourself up, take cold showers forty times a day. Don’t look at tv. Don’t eat anything but celery. It’s not about that. It’s about living fully and getting into life. Really. It’s about overcoming all those fears that we have and really getting out there and living. I told this before but one time, I was sitting with Him in this apartment building, in this town in Mumbai. We had trailed Him to Mumbai and captured Him. So we were sitting for many hours, all day, every day. We’d sit. And He’d just lie on the bed. He’d sit up, then He’d lie this way, then He’d lie this way. Then He’d sit up. Then lie this way. And I would just sit, you know, looking at Him. That was my job. I just couldn’t take my eyes off Him, right? Then all of a sudden He sat up, really tense and He looked at me, He said, “Courage is a really big thing.” What’s going to happen? And so there was one Indian devotee there who said, “Oh, but Baba, God takes care of His devotees.” “Courage is a really big thing.” And then He laid back down and went to sleep.

    So, you know, you really need a lot of courage to push through the places where we’re very stuck. But we get the strength to do that from practice. That’s how it works, together, they work together. The more we practice letting go of our thoughts and coming back here, letting go, coming back, letting go, coming back, we’re loosening up the bondage that thoughts put us in. Because we believe everything we think. We wake up one day, we feel like shit, we believe it. You know? It’s not necessarily true. But we believe it. It may not be true, but we believe it. And if we believe it, then we’re stuck in it. That’s our prison. You can only let go at that point. You can only notice you’re caught, you can’t stop a thought, you can’t kill a thought. Where is it? Where did it come from? Where did it go? You can only notice you’re thinking and come back to the, to Ram or to whatever you’re doing, whether you’re watching your breath or repeating a mantra. And that’s training, that’s mind training. That’s what it’s called. That’s what we’re doing. There’s another thing happening in that room which was very far out, so I’d been in India about three or four months and Maharajji ran away from us, we didn’t know where He was, so we went to Bodhgaya, which is the place where the Bodhi tree is, where Buddha was enlightened, and we were going to do these meditation courses there, and while we were, probably between the courses, there was a couple of days between a course, I went to visit this old Lama that we heard about who was staying in the Tibetan Dharmasala, His name was Kunu Rinpoche and somebody said, He’s a really big Lama, a really high Lama, we didn’t know anything about Him, so we went to see Him, we walk in this room, right? And there’s this little Lama sitting on the bed, you know? He’s got no teeth and He’s very funky, unshaven and He’s sweet and He smiled at us, you know? And we sat down and He, He wanted to give us mantra. So He said, will we take a mantra? We said, “Of course.” We couldn’t’ understand a word He was saying. What mantra is this? Finally we got it. Ok ok. And it was actually the mantra we sang with Tulku Sherdor. So then we sat for awhile and, and He reached into His, He pulled out this little leather pouch from inside His jacket and He opens it up and He took out seeds from the Bodhi tree that had been blessed, you know? That had, puja and prayers had been done over these seeds for God knows how long. He takes it out and He gives us each a seed, so I went to put it away, because I wanted to save it and keep it and put it on my altar and He saw me and He said, “Eat it, now.” So I took the seed and I ate it. Oh. See, I don’t have the tooth there because of that seed. Anyways, so I ate it and then we left. This was in December 1970. So, we did five meditation courses, one after the other, with like a break of a day and a half between them. And now, in late January, or early February 71, that’s when we took off in the bus from, you know, I don’t know if you know the story of the bus, you’d better read it because I ain’t telling it. So, it’s Ram Das’s books and my book, so we get on this bus and we’re on our way, we’re going to go to Delhi to try to find Maharajji, it’s a big Mercedes bus that somebody had driven across from somewhere in Europe and taken people to India. So he offered us a ride back to Delhi, so we did, so on the way. Ok, I’ll tell you the story. So on the way back to Delhi, so on the way back to Delhi, Danny Goldman, who was with us, he had left Bodhgaya for a few days and gone to the Mela in Allahabad. A Mela’s what, like a Kumbh Mela you’ve heard of. This wasn’t a Kumbh, but it was a Mela, every January, January February there’s a Mela at this place. So he went there and there millions of sadhus and people and all kinds of stuff going on. And he came back to finish the courses with us and then, we’re on our way to Delhi, he said, “Why don’t we just drive there and see the Mela going on?” So, we wanted to, Ram Das was kind of the boss, so, and as the eldest, you know, he wanted to get to Delhi and find Maharajji and that’s all he wanted. He didn’t want to see the Mela, but there was a lot of discussion going on. Everybody was putting their two cents in. “You know, we’ll go. We won’t stay long. We’ll spend one night. We’ll go. We’ll come back.” Finally after like hours of wrangling, we decided we would drive there, just like an hour off the road, drive there, take a look around and get back on the road and get to Delhi by night time. Fine.

    So, we’re driving along and the bus turns off towards Allahabad and we reached the site of the Melaa and there was no one there. Everybody had gone home. Mela’s finished. Two weeks before, there were 20 million people, literally. And now, three. And a dog. So, we’re driving through this field, right? Now it’s all just like sand and we’re going to turn the bus around and head back to Delhi, but Danny said, “You know there’s a Hanuman temple over there in the corner of the field, why don’t we just go see Hanumanji and then we’ll go to Delhi.” So the bus goes in that direction and right along the edge of the field there’s a walkway and the bus is going this way, and walking in the other way, were these two people. One of them was Maharajji. The other was Dada. And they were walking in the opposite direction that the bus was going and He didn’t look up. He did not look up at the bus but He says to Dada as the bus is going by, “Oh, they’ve come.” And it just so happened that one guy in the bus noticed Him. We almost drove past Him. He didn’t say, “Hi I’m here.” No, He just kept walking. Someone said, “There’s Maharajji.” The bus stops. We all run out. “Oh, they’ve come.” That was the big thing. So, then they said, they got on this little cycle rickshaw and they asked, they told us to follow the rickshaw, so there’s this huge fancy shiny Mercedes bus following this tiny little cycle rickshaw throught he streets of this tiny little village. And the rickshaw stops out in front of a house and Maharajji and this gentleman who we hadn’t met yet, get out and walk into the house, and the bus stops and we kind of get out of the bus, looking around, now what? So, a lady comes out of the house, and says, “come. Come in. Come in. Come to take your lunch.” And we said, “But there’s 25 of us.” “Oh, yes, Maharajji woke us up this morning and told us to prepare lunch for 25 people. That you’d be coming.” This is true. It happened. I was there. Now, you, if I had any karmas at all, that would have been enough to blow my brains to bits. End of story. Enlightened. He knew everything. He’d brought, the whole drama of “who, should we go? Should we go? No, we don’t want to go. I mean, there was some juice in that. Why should we go? We’ll go, we’ll get to Delhi.” For hours, we went on like that. Finally, Ram Das said, “Ok, look, we’ll go and we’ll just see it and we’ll go.” Who was making that decision? Who? Was it written? Sir? Yeah, ok. Thank you. You just answered your own question.

    But we thought we were deciding so we made the decision that we made but were we really deciding? We think we were but in retrospect, it might not have been that way. To put it mildly. All right, so, we spend a few days there and then we were sent away. Two years later, two years later, a lot of coming and going all around India, we were with Maharajji here, we were with Him there, He disappeared, He’s here, He’s all over the place. Two years later, I found myself in Mumbai with Maharajji and I was in that room I just told you about, and He was lying on the bed doing this, doing that, and I was sitting there staring at Him. All of a sudden, He sits up and He goes, “Give me the seed the Lama gave you.” I did not know what He was talking about. What seed? What Lama? “Give me the seed the Lama gave you. Give me. Give me.” I said, “Baba I don’t know what… ohhhh. Baba… he made me eat it. I ate it.” And then He goes, “Very good.” He said, “Good. Now you’ll be enlightened.” Then He went back to sleep. Do I look enlightened to you? Hallelujah. Well, so what? You know? What was that? Someday.

    But anyway, so things like that were happening all the time. And after a while, when you live in that kind of environment, your brain just stops working. You know? It just says, “Enough of that. Forget it.” And you just get more present. And you get more open to things more in the moment because you’re living, you’re surrounded, you’re having Satsang, real Satsang. People gathered together in the name of Truth. That’s what it is, Satsang. And when you’re in that kind of Satsang, it lifts you up into it. It changes your brain, the way your brain works. That’s what this is, this weekend, this is Satsang. We’re all part of this process, all of us doing, singing together, doing all this stuff, it affects everybody, the whole vibration, the atmosphere is good, with a capital “G”.

    Suggestions for your practice: Devi Sadhana | Sri Ram Kirtan Sadhana

    Call and Response podcasts are made possible by the Kirtan Wallah Foundation

    Your support via direct donations go toward offerings such as this series, new teaching materials, as well as the the compilation of all of KD’s work on the Path, for the purpose of sharing it with everyone in a variety of media. Kirtan Wallah Foundation is also be able to offer assistance to organizations around the world, whose efforts are in alignment with the teachings of Neem Karoli Baba. For more information about the work of the foundation you can visit our blog for recent updates as well as sign up for our foundation news letter.

    A note about your donation:
    Donations can be made via Paypal below and are tax deductible under 501c3 guidelines. If you prefer to give via a check, please send your donation to Kirtan Wallah Foundation | 35 east 4th Street | Apt #1 | Brooklyn, NY | 11218. We thank you in advance for your generosity.

    “Donations are like streams, flowing into the great river of compassion that carries us to the ocean of Love.” ~ KD

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    Ep.06 | The Atheist Mind Feb 06, 2019
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    Ep.06 ~ The Atheist Mind

    “The clouds come and go but the sky is always here, so, you can’t disbelieve the sky when you see everything going through it. You may not be able to see the sky, but you know it’s there.”– Krishna Das

    Transcription:

    Q: I heard someone say on a podcast once, “I’m a Hindu and a Jew, and 50 percent of the time, I’m an atheist.” And I thought, yeah, that’s me. And the longing and the looking for something and the even thinking I’m not getting it, those parts aren’t so bad, but the part that says, “No, there’s nothing here” and looks at all of this with skepticism, that’s really hard to take. What do you do with the atheist part?
    KD: I’m an atheist. I don’t believe in anything I haven’t experienced myself. Period. What I have experienced, I believe, but an atheist is somebody who hasn’t experienced anything other than, you know, his own mind and whatever else the senses tell us, and never experienced anything beyond that. So why would they believe that? Blind faith is useless. The problem is that person also doesn’t have an understanding that his suffering is coming out of his own Being and until he changes that, suffering will never change. Atheists don’t want to suffer, either, you know? They just don’t think there’s any end to it.

    Q: Maybe you’re luckier than I am. There’s a part of me that can disbelieve what I have experienced.
    KD: Who’s saying that? That you can’t disbelieve. You can disbelieve your thoughts and your feelings, but you can’t disbelieve who just said that because that’s who’s here now, that will be here later, that was here before when you had that experience. You just, the clouds come and go but the sky is always here, so, you can’t disbelieve the sky when you see everything going through it. You may not be able to see the sky, but you know it’s there. So your Self, you know your self is there, but you don’t, you can’t see it. But that doesn’t mean, you know it’s there, but you can’t see it. If you want to see it, you have to do something. If you don’t, you don’t. But you still know you’re here. You’re always here. Whether you’re feeling like shit or you’re feeling good. Whether you’re driving a car or watching a movie. Whether you’re doing this or something else, you’re always here. That here-ness is the Self. It’s not being, it’s not the thinking about it. It’s what’s behind all that all the time. So it doesn’t matter what you think. You’re still here. Try not to be here.

    Q: I am.

    KD: You can’t. But it would be a good work, because eventually, if you really tried hard enough not to be here, you’d see how much, how here you are. And then all that other stuff would fall into place. But you believe your emotions. You believe your thoughts because you haven’t gone deeper than that. You haven’t anchored yourself. You let them take you away. We all do. We let all that stuff just pull us away, like an eagle. I saw this thing on Facebook, this eagle picked up this little kid, right? An eagle swoops down and takes this little baby and starts to take off with him, but a few feet off the ground, the baby fell. That’s like we are. We’re those little babies and our thoughts swoop down and take us away. They don’t drop us for a long time. So, but even that happens inside the sky. So, you have to do some practice. Practice just means sitting there and help trying to let those thoughts kind of dissolve as they go away. Watch them come. Watch them go. Who’s watching? It’s not the same one who’s thinking. The watching, if it was, if you were the thought, you know, there would never be any awareness of this Being, but there’s the awareness of the thought. You know, this, Ah, thinking, I’m thinking, ok. Come back to the chant. Come back to your breath. You know, we’re like, we’re in a raging river heading towards a waterfall, and we look at the bank of the river and we think that’s moving, so we just relax in the boat. Woosh, over the falls. Because we think the bank is moving, the bank of the river, and we’re still. So that’s why we have to do some practice. If we don’t, nothing’s going to happen. That’s ok. If it is. If it’s not, do some practice.

    Suggestions for your practice: Devi Sadhana | Sri Ram Kirtan Sadhana

    Call and Response podcasts are made possible by the Kirtan Wallah Foundation

    Your support via direct donations go toward offerings such as this series, new teaching materials, as well as the the compilation of all of KD’s work on the Path, for the purpose of sharing it with everyone in a variety of media. Kirtan Wallah Foundation is also be able to offer assistance to organizations around the world, whose efforts are in alignment with the teachings of Neem Karoli Baba. For more information about the work of the foundation you can visit our blog for recent updates as well as sign up for our foundation news letter.

    A note about your donation:
    Donations can be made via Paypal below and are tax deductible under 501c3 guidelines. If you prefer to give via a check, please send your donation to Kirtan Wallah Foundation | 35 east 4th Street | Apt #1 | Brooklyn, NY | 11218. We thank you in advance for your generosity.

    “Donations are like streams, flowing into the great river of compassion that carries us to the ocean of Love.” ~ KD

    The post Ep.06 | The Atheist Mind appeared first on Krishna Das.


    Ep.05 | Judging and Acting Feb 06, 2019
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    Ep.05~ Judging and Acting

    “You don’t have to judge. Judging means you’re seeing that person as evil. Or bad. And you’re not seeing that that person, just like you, is a result of many different things in that person’s life. Most people who abuse, have been abused. Right? Does that make them bad? It just makes them victims. Victims become victimizers. Not 100% but to a large degree. Most of what we’re taught about ourselves through our earlier life and our parents, we then absorb and we teach it to anybody around us. So, people who abuse are often abusing out of their own pain. That doesn’t excuse them. You wouldn’t let them hurt somebody if you were there. But you wouldn’t necessarily have to hate them to stop them. The not hating is the inner work. The preventing suffering on the outside is the outer result of that work”– Krishna Das

    Transcription:

    Q: The woman behind me had asked essentially, about taking direct action versus looking inward and doing the spiritual practice. And I’ve run into that myself.

    KD: I don’t know if that’s what she asked exactly but, I don’t know, there is no “versus”, you know? There are not two different things.
    Q: Well, that is my question because I have begun to try to look inward and try to develop a spiritual practice, an interest thing has happened, which is, I have become a more passionate, a compassionate person.
    KD: You ever hear of a Freudian slip?
    Q: Probably that, too actually.
    KD: That’s good for you, too. No problem there. Money and sex, who can do without it? Some people think they can.

    Q: And so the harshness of the world outside us is there.
    KD: Sure.

    Q: And it seems to me that direct action is often required or I feel that need to take direct action and we do need to in this world. If somebody came in here, a cruise ship drunkard, we would have to physically remove them.

    KD: Maybe.
    Q: And so how do we balance looking inward, developing a spiritual practice with also going out in the world and making a difference in the world. That’ my question.

    KD: It’s really easy. You do the best, don’t take it away from him, I didn’t forget the word you used. “Challenge.” No, it’s really easy. You do the best you can. That’s it. Now think about that. Just think about it for a second. You do the best you can. What would you like to… how would you modify that statement?

    Q: I guess what I’m hearing, sometimes, is don’t take direct action.

    KD: You never heard it from me.

    Q: Ok, that’s where I got confused, because she was saying these other people that are doing horrible things. Then what I’m hearing is, who are we to judge? And sometimes we have to judge.

    KD: No. You don’t have to judge. Judging means you’re seeing that person as evil. Or bad. And you’re not seeing that that person, just like you, is a result of many different things in that person’s life. Most people who abuse, have been abused. Right? Does that make them bad? It just makes them victims. Victims become victimizers. Not 100% but to a large degree. Most of what we’re taught about ourselves through our earlier life and our parents, we then absorb and we teach it to anybody around us. So, people who abuse are often abusing out of their own pain. That doesn’t excuse them. You wouldn’t let them hurt somebody if you were there. But you wouldn’t necessarily have to hate them to stop them. The not hating is the inner work. The preventing suffering on the outside is the outer result of that work. If you hate that person, you’ve created a whole drama for yourself. Who knows what you’re going to do out of? Who knows? You might take that to excess. You might kill the person. And you know what they say in the East? They say, if you kill somebody, you give that person the right to kill you for a hundred lifetimes. Karma. You can’t. When you start talking about these things, you can either say, ok there’s no such thing as karma, I’m just going to be a good person and do the best I can. That’s fine. So find out what the best you can, is. Is the best you can getting really pissed off and angry and you go and prevent somebody from slaughtering a sheep and go home and kick the dog because you’re so pissed off? Or abuse, or get mad at your kids or have a car accident or do something stupid because you’ve lost your mind? There’s nothing good about that. There’s nothing righteous about that. So whatever you do, it’s like the Dalai Lama said, “Am I gonna let them take my piece of mind also?” That’s where you, that’s your kingdom. Where you have say. Where you have the only vote to find a way to stay at ease within regardless of what’s going on outside. You know, one time Maharajji was sitting in a room with somebody, with a group of people, and these two guys walked and they sat in the back and Maharajji ignored them, all right? So finally one of the guys stood up and he said, “Excuse me, Baba, but my friend here is in great difficulty.” So then Maharajji looks at the guy and says, “Why did you kill him?” To the other guy. And he said, “Baba I didn’t kill him.” “No, but you arranged it. Why did you do that?” He said, “Baba he was in my way.” He said, “You didn’t think about his family. Who’ll take care of his family? What have you done? What have you done?” He said, “Promise me you’ll take care of his family and his children.” The guy, the murderer, said “Ok.” The judge, the story goes, I don’t know how they know these things but the story goes that the judge had already written the verdict as guilty. He got up in the middle of the night and changed it to not guilty because that guy had agreed. He agreed that he had done wrong and he had also agreed to take, you know, in India, no one knows, there’s a tremendous amount of the population, they don’t know where their next meal is coming from. We have refrigerators full of shit that we throw out. They don’t know. So many people. Less these days. But still. So, and this was 50 years ago or more so, where is this woman going to take care of her kids? How are they going to eat? Where are they going to live? What’s going to happen to them? The only person who was making, taking care of them was just murdered by this guy. So Maharajji could have blown him off and said “You’re a bad guy. You ought to be killed. Get out out of here.” But no. He said, and they other thing He said, was “Eventually you’ll understand what you’ve done.” So, judging is one thing. Acting is another thing. You know?
    Q: Great answer. Thank you.

    KD: I gotta tell you a funny story. You know, this is big time judging, this is a murderer. But Maharajji didn’t judge anyone, but He knew everything, ok? So there was this one guy who’d been a devotee for many many years and he was a big guy in the government, and he was a very righteous, honest guy. Now as you know, the Indian government, up until very recently, lives on bribes. Bribes are a way that they get extra money. It’s not really a bad thing. The heads of the departments will get this money from people who want services, they’ll take a certain amount for themselves and then they’ll pass it down the line to their, the people who work under them, it’s just been going on for years. But this one guy, he would never take a bribe. So everybody was very afraid of this guy and very straight honest, straightforward kind of guy. So, one day he’s sitting in a room, now when this guy was young. Much younger. Long before he met Maharajji… I hope you’ll appreciate this. Maybe I shouldn’t tell you. Ok, I’ll tell you. So, when this guy was young, he hurt his back and he went to an Ayurvedic ashram somewhere and he was getting treatments and everything and he had this woman who was treating him every day and they wound up having an affair. This is like, 40 or 50 years, 40 years before the time I’m talking about, and gradually his back got better and he came back to his family and blah blah blah. Now 40 years had gone by, they’re sitting in a room, and this guy recently had hurt his back again, after many years, so he’s sitting in a room with a bunch of devotees with Maharajji, and one by one, Maharajji sends all the other people away and finally it’s just Him and this guy, and he leans over really close to this guy and he says, “She’s too old and her daughter’s too young. Don’t go back there.” How is that… that’s too much. I thought, that’s the secret teaching I just gave you. I hope you appreciate it. What does that show? He knew everything, right? He knew what had happened. He knew the guy had hurt his back again. He knew he was thinking about going back to that place and look how he chose to tell you. Such a filthy mouth, right? It’s fantastic. She’s too old and her daughter’s too… What kind of a slimeball is my Guru? The best. She’s too old and her daughter’s too young. Terrible. Her daughter was probably 40, by the way. All right any more questions? Behind all this stuff is incredible love, you know? It’s, when you have this, when you sit deeply enough in yourself, not judging just means loving. And when you love someone, you love them as they are. You’re not trying to change them. You’re not going to love them only if they change. You already love them. This is the kind of love Maharajji has, or these great Beings have for us. They see us exactly the way we are. They see everything we’ve done. Everything we’ve thought. Everything we’re going to do. And they still love us. It’s inconceivable. It’s, you can’t wrap your mind around it. You can only, at some point, if we’re lucky, feel it just a little bit. It’s called unconditional love. They don’t love us because we’re good and they don’t pull that back from us if we do things that are harmful or hurtful. It’s the way the sun shines on everything.

    Suggestions for your practice: Devi Sadhana | Sri Ram Kirtan Sadhana

    Call and Response podcasts are made possible by the Kirtan Wallah Foundation

    Your support via direct donations go toward offerings such as this series, new teaching materials, as well as the the compilation of all of KD’s work on the Path, for the purpose of sharing it with everyone in a variety of media. Kirtan Wallah Foundation is also be able to offer assistance to organizations around the world, whose efforts are in alignment with the teachings of Neem Karoli Baba. For more information about the work of the foundation you can visit our blog for recent updates as well as sign up for our foundation news letter.

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    Ep.04 | Desire and Willfulness Feb 06, 2019
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    Ep.04 ~ Desire and Willfulness

    “Most of everything we do in life is designed to shine us up a little bit, so people will like us and look at us and appreciate us more and we get some attention, some affection. You know? But we don’t have to shine. We really don’t have to. So, if you’re noticing all the ways you’re trying to shine, that’s good. Otherwise how can you let go of that stuff if you don’t notice? Right? It’s not going to help you get happy. You’re just going to spend a lot of time shining yourself up. Then you fall apart.” – Krishna Das

    Transcription:

    Q: I’m wondering if you can speak to the differentiation between going after what you want, desire and like a willfulness.

    KD: You need will, you know? Will is what moves you. It directs your energy. Without will, you know, where does it go? What do you do? Whether it’s, you’re trying to direct your attention, that’s also your will. I remember, I’ve told this many times, but when I was in the jungle with this old Baba who was 163 at the time, he said to me one day, he looked at me and said, “Hm. You have to develop willpower.” And my first thought was, “Willpower? What do I need that for?” And then he kind of went like, like he saw my thought, so He did something and He showed me inside of myself, what He was seeing and it was pretty intense. I saw that I was not, I was putting chains around my ankles, you know? I was not going after the things I wanted in life, and I was all justifying it with, “well, I don’t need that. I don’t need this.” You know, all this kind of stuff. But I really wanted things that I wasn’t going after. Things I wanted. And I saw that I had this kind of funny thing like that there was spiritual life and worldly life and that you could live a spiritual life and you didn’t have to, you know. But I was in the world. There was only one life, mine, right? And if I wasn’t going to live it, who was going to live it? I was not going after the things I wanted. I wasn’t living fully. And that was a big moment for me. Willfulness, by that I mean, I take it to mean inappropriate selfish craving of something. But not, go ahead

    Q: Yeah perhaps, but do you think it’s possible to experience that kind of want and desire in a positive way and at the same time have that craving and wanting. So there’s two things happening.

    KD: Ok, let’s do this again. So, you have a desire for something and, which is called craving. Desire is craving. The issue is it going to hurt you or somebody else. That’s the only real issue I can see. If it’s a desire to drink a bottle of poison because it might taste good, I don’t think that’s good.

    Q: I think, can I elaborate?

    KD: Please.

    Q: So, like, if I want something in my life, if I have a goal or an aspiration for something that’s important, but then when I find that I’m pursuing it, that I get caught up in wanting it to turn out a certain way or I get caught up in what people think of me or how good I am in the face of someone else.

    KD: Well, first of all, one thing is why do you want it? Do you want people to think a certain way about you? You’re trying to get something so that people will appreciate and look at you a certain kind of way? If that’s your motivation, hm, that’s what’ll happen. But the other part of it is that you know, as far as the fruits of our actions, we have no control over that, all we can do is do what we do, and whatever comes to us, comes to us. We can’t guarantee success in anything and we can’t guarantee failure. Well, we can guarantee failure by not going after what we want. So it was my fear of failure that was keeping me from going after the things I wanted. And when I noticed that, I was able to overcome that to some degree. But yeah that’s good, being aware of all that stuff that happens to you on the way to getting something is very good. Is that a reason to not go after it anymore? Not necessarily. It’s like it’s doing good, it’s showing you parts of yourself that you weren’t seeing before, which then horrify you and that’s very healthy. It’s good to be horrified by things that are horrifying and selfishness and greed and desire to shine, you know? I remember, one of Mahrajji’s great old devotees named Dada, and we were at the Kumbh Mela in India in 1989 and Dada lived also in Allahabad, a few miles away from this space, the place where the rivers meet and there’s a big Mela there, a big festival. So, we were going to, we stayed with Dada for awhile, and then we were going to go to the Mela grounds and stay at this Baba’s place, and so He sent one of His disciples to come get us and show us how to find Him because it was very hard, there were 20 million people, you know, that came from all over India for two weeks, and then they disappear again. So, this sadhu comes into Dada’s house and he was so arrogant and so, had so much pride, it was, he walked in like, “Look at me, I’m such a great sadhu, you’re just a householder”, he walked in like this, you know. Dada took one look at him and he grabbed me and he pulled me into the back room and there was an old Almira, you know, an old cabinet and he reached down under it, way down in the back and he pulls out this key and then he opens it, right, he opens the door and he reaches down the back shelf and he pulls something out, and it’s these old funky newspapers, something wrapped up in newspaper, so he starts unwrapping it, and it’s this really cheap aluminum Lota, which is a, like a big copper pot, small pot, which they use to pour water or carry water. It was all rusty and dirty and dusty and he looks, and he takes it and he holds it up to me. “Krishna Das, do you see? Do you see?” “No Dada, I don’t see.” “Do you see? Do you see?” “No Dada, I don’t see.” And he looks at me, and he goes, “You don’t have to shine.” And he just wrapped it up again. Oh, sorry. He said, “Maharajji left this for me, the last time He was here, He left this for me. Do you see?” I said, “No.” “Do you see?” “No.” He said, “You don’t have to shine.” And he put it back, folded it up, closed it, took the key, put the key back under there and walked out of the room. You don’t have to shine. You know? Most of everything we do in life is designed to shine us up a little bit, so people will like us and look at us and appreciate us more and we get some attention, some affection. You know? But we don’t have to shine. We really don’t have to. So, if you’re noticing all the ways you’re trying to shine, that’s good. Otherwise how can you let go of that stuff if you don’t notice? Right? It’s not going to help you get happy. You’re just going to spend a lot of time shining yourself up. Then you fall apart. Your arms fall off and your legs fall because you’ve been shining so much. So, desires are not necessarily bad. Necessarily lead to shining, but they lead to fulfillment in many ways. They lead to wisdom, too. Because you want something, go after it, look at all the things you’re learning by going after something. If you stayed home and watched tv, you’d never see these parts of yourself. If you don’t see them, who will see them? If you can’t let go of them, how will you ever really get what you really want? Since those desires to shine and attract this and attention and all that stuff, that’s in the way of real love. So, Dada was too much, you know? He was really something. Anything Maharajji said, he said, “Yes, Baba.” “Dada you are an idiot. You never, you have no brains.” “Ha Baba, I have no brains. Yes, I have no brains.” “If I was your wife, Dada, I would have thrown you out long ago.” “Yes, Baba, you would have thrown me out. Yes, You would have thrown me out.” “You have no brains.” “Ha, Baba.” “No Dada, you have no brains.” Then He goes, “Dada, I have plenty of brains.” “Yes, Baba, you have plenty of brains. Yes.” “You have brains, too, Dada.” “Yes, Baba, I have brains, too.” It didn’t matter what Maharajji said, Dada just said, “Yes, Baba.” It was unbelievable.

    We used to, he would be with Maharajji from morning til night and for most of his life he was a smoker, a heavy smoker, so there’d be long periods where he’d be with Maharajji and he couldn’t smoke, so Maharajji would go, “Go take your two minutes.” So, he would run through our room in the back, we always had an ash tray, his favorite brand of cigarettes and some chai ready for him and he would come in and he would start smoking cigarettes and drinking chai and telling us Maharajji stories, and then all of a sudden he would, you’d see like, he’d feel and start to move and you’d see that he was starting to throw the cigarette down, you know? And put the tea cup down and then we heard Maharajji, “Dada!” But he heard it before anybody heard it, before it was even a sound, he was already moving in that direction. It was so cool. So cool. One time Maharajji says to him, “Dada, I could have been a really big Saint. I could have been a really big Saint, but I had one fault.” “What’s that, Baba?” “Too much compassion.” Really. When he said, “ really big Saint,” he means, walked around in those fancy clothes and drove big cars and had thousands and millions of disciples. He was just so far beyond that shit it’s unbelievable. Everywhere He sat down it became a town. People showed up from everywhere. How did they know he was there? Woosh. Like this. He couldn’t stay in one place. He couldn’t in one place. They used to call him Latrine Baba because the first place, the first thing He would do when He got to a place was build latrines. Because there would be a thousand people there in one day, where are they going to go poop? So He became known as latrine Baba.

    He used to say, “People come here, they think they can fool Me.” One time this group of people came and they wanted, they wanted to use Maharajji’s name to raise money for a school, which is a good thing to do for kids, start a school. But for some reason He didn’t give them permission and when they left, He said, “People come here, they think they can fool me. I go on fooling the whole world. And people think they can fool me.” We just kind of went… He could see everything. He knew everything. It was, and He knew everything about us and He still loved us. That’s the fucking miracle. I’m sorry. That’s a miracle. That’s the miracle of love. Unconditional love.

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    Ep.03 | Bearing Witness Feb 06, 2019
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    Ep.03 ~ Bearing Witness

    Unconditional love, it’s a word, it’s a phrase, it’s hard to connect with that. Unconditional love. Just think about the sun. It shines evenly all the time on everything. On the good and the bad, the beautiful and the ugly, the high, the low. It shines on those miserable people who kill people and murder people and treat people like shit and it shines on the people who care for people and do charity and help people every chance they get. The sun shines equally on everything and everyone. That’s what it is. That’s unconditional.”- Krishna Das

    An explanation of bearing witness to suffering without judgement.

    So, I said nothing was happening when we were sitting with Maharajji, that’s not exactly true. I don’t want to mislead you. So much nothing was happening, that it was like, the whole universe was happening. We were being loved in a way that we had never been loved before. Period. End of story. When I think about that, just imagine what it would be like to be loved in just the way you want to be loved, just the way you would imagine, “If I could only be loved that way, I would feel this way.” That’s what it is. That’s what it felt like at that time. That’s what real love is. It didn’t involve another person. Maharajji wasn’t a person although it appeared to us that there was this body sitting there throwing fruit at us, laughing. But that wasn’t exactly the point. Nothing, He didn’t seem to be doing anything except shining like the sun. Unconditional love, it’s a word, it’s a phrase, it’s hard to connect with that. Unconditional love. Just think about the sun. It shines evenly all the time on everything. On the good and the bad, the beautiful and the ugly, the high, the low. It shines on those miserable people who kill people and murder people and treat people like shit and it shines on the people who care for people and do charity and help people every chance they get. The sun shines equally on everything and everyone. That’s what it is. That’s unconditional. When I was in Auschwitz with Bernie Glassman, we got there, I think it was early November, and there was green fields and the trees were autumn, were just alive, blossoming colors, exploding with all the colors, all the leaves, right? It was so beautiful. And the first thing the polish woman said, who was our guide, she said, “You see all this green and these colors? There was nothing except mud and dirt because the prisoners ate everything they could eat. They ate the bark off the trees. The ate the grass. They ate the dead leaves. Anything they could put in their mouth, they ate.” Oh. And so then we were taken around the camp and were given, pointed out things, what happened here, what happened there. You know. And every day I would come to that camp and I would look up at the sun and I’d say, “How dare you shine on this place? How can you shine on this place?” Really, my heart was exploding in anger. “How can you shine on this place? What’s wrong with you?” he said. Well, we were there for a particular purpose. The reason Bernie takes people there is to bear witness to the suffering that happened there. To bear witness to the Beings and the Souls who suffered there and he feels their presence there and he feels by coming there to bear witness to their suffering, we dissolve the isolation and the loneliness that they must feel and in so doing, remove some of the suffering. It lightens the load of suffering by bearing witness. Bearing witness is an interesting concept. Witness. It’s not judging. The witness tells what they see. It’s the judge who gives the sentence. The witness simply witnesses. But I wasn’t able to do that. Every day I went there and I said, “How can you shine on this place?” And I would walk around and I was really, it was a heavy dark place until one day I looked up at the sun and I recognized, that’s what the sun does. It shines everywhere on everything. It shines on the inside and the outside. It shines on the way we love ourselves and the way we hate ourselves. It shines on everything.

    So, I had to give up, in order to bear witness and be there, I had to give up my shit. I had to let go of my judgements about what happened there and who did what to whom. Not that it didn’t happen. But I had to stop judging in order to be there with the people who suffered. And another thing happened while I was walking around after this, kind of, breakthrough. I just thought to myself, “Listen, if I had been born in Nazi Germany to a family of Nazis and brought up a certain way, how would I be any different than any of the guards in that prison? What would I know? I would know nothing different than what I’d been taught and what I believed was true.” It ws humbling to see that I was no better than them. You know, we tend to, we completely don’t recognize how much the culture we were born in, the world we were born in, the time we were born in, the situation within the culture, our families, our close friends, we don’t recognize the effect it has on us and we think that we’re kind of, “we’ve got it together, we’re good, this is good, you know? I understand things. I’m together.” Not necessarily. So anyway, but I, for me it was a big thing to see that, really I was no different than the guards or the prisoners or the victims. And I had to kind of expand into that awareness of the way the sun shines on everything. So the kind of love that I’m talking about, when I talk about real love or Maharajji’s love, or the love, if you want to use the word, God or Divine, that love, that love has nothing to do with “me”, with who I think I am. That’s the love that lives within us as who we are underneath our thoughts and underneath the stories we tell ourselves. Underneath the way we treat ourselves. Underneath the way we treat other people, underneath the way we project our stories onto other people and our needs and our desires and our hatreds and our angers and our friendship and goodness and all that stuff, too. Underneath all that is this Presence within us. That’s Ram. That’s Krishna. That’s Kali. That’s Buddha nature. That’s the real love. That’s God. It’s inside. There’s nowhere you can go to get it. It’s just not available out there. Because out there is just what we see. Our movie. We wake up in the morning and we start writing, producing, directing and acting in the movie of Me. All day long. It’s only about Me. Me, me, me, me, me. And of course, we play all the parts in the sense that, I don’t know who you are, I look at you, I see the way you sit, I see you hold yourself, the way your hair is, the beard, the this, the frown on your face, and I think I know who you are. But that’s just my version of you, in my mind. We do that 24-7 365, to every one and every thing that we see, taste, touch, feel. Underneath all that is that sun shining on everything.

    So when we do these practices, what we’re doing is slowly extricating ourselves from those projections, what we think is the outside world, and releasing it so that we naturally fall back into our self for a moment. And then we’re gone again. And then we recognize, oh, we’re actually in a room with a few hundred people chanting, so we remember to start singing again, paying attention, “ah we’re back” then we’re gone. Then we’re back. Then we’re gone. If you’re really watching, if you’re really paying attention, you’ll be coming and going like five billion times a second, but the point is that most of the time, we don’t know that. We’re just gone all the time and we never notice. When we start doing practice, that’s when we begin to notice. Not that you can do anything about it. Forget about it. There’s nothing you can do about it except practice. You can’t, where do the thoughts come from, where do they go? We don’t know. All we do is think. And thinking about it is just more thinking. You can’t, what do I always say? Something about a prison, something like that, right? This is why it’s good to be brain dead, you don’t have to work so hard. You can’t free yourself through thought from a prison that’s made of thought. The prison is the thinking, the thoughts. You can’t think your way out of that. Every thought is the prison. So, we have to find a way to release the thoughts. That’s what practice does. And, the fact that we’re interested in practice at all is a fucking miracle. Look around. I mean, go to the supermarket and just look around. There’s nobody there. They’re just like… there’s nobody there. It’s amazing. And when you start to look around, you’ll see, most especially, now with technology, nobody’s here. Even when you had a moment that you might drop into yourself, nope… we’ve found more ways not to be here, that’s all. Terrific. And don’t think India’s any better, they have more cell phones per capita than any other place in the universe. Everybody has a cell phone. Sadhus have cell phones. Yogis have cell phones. One Baba I know who’s so sweet, so beautiful, he lives in the jungle, he has to kind of go up onto this little hill, it’s a walk so he can get a signal and then he calls people and then you look at him and the phone’s upside down and backwards, you know? And he’s going, “haaaa” and the phone is like over here… he’s only pretending to use a phone.

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    Ep.02 | How Does Love Relate to Life. Feb 06, 2019
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    Ep.02 ~ How Does love Relate to Life

    That’s the other thing that happens, you also start to accept all the parts of your life a lot more easily. All the shadows. You know, the shadows, if we don’t see them, they just keep pushing us around and they don’t go away by themselves. They must be looked at, they must be released, consciously released to some degree. So, when Maharajji sent me back to America after two and a half years, he said, “You go back to America. You have attachment there.” So, this is, this is what’s left after 50 years of dealing with attachment. Just, me and my main squeeze here. And my life, you know? But I think one of the things you’re asking, I’m not looking for that love in anybody anymore, in a person, in a human being – Krishna Das

    Transcription:

    Q: So you mention about having a void and seeking to fill that void and so having had the experience with Maharajji, to piggyback on this gentleman’s question, how did that experience then translate back into, and this doesn’t have to be personal to you, per se, but in your experience, how does it all translate back into the romantic relationship, in your opinion.

    KD: Well, what about just any relationship? What about, how does it translate at all to life, you know? It changes everything on one hand but it didn’t eradicate the karmas that I had already, you know, that were still to work themselves out. They still were coming. You know, looking back, you know, at that time, it changed a lot. First of all, I knew that there really is something to find that is real. And all I had to do is clean my heart and calm my mind, right? So, I’m still waiting. I think tomorrow I’ll start meditating. Maybe the day after. I’m busy tomorrow.

    But on the other hand, on one hand, like I said, it changed everything because now there was a context for being alive, whereas before there wasn’t. I mean, I was hoping there was, but I didn’t really know that. But then after that, being there in India and those years and everything, you know, was different. My whole way of living in the world changed to some degree. But it didn’t obliterate a lot of the heavy darkness in my heart. And that darkness manifested very fiercely over the years and it took me down a lot of places, you know, I would have never thought I would have gone. After being with Maharajji. Most people get fucked up before. But I was too scared to do that. I had to wait til afterwards to get screwed up. And I did. Royally.

    So, but then there’s, as bad as it gets, most of the time you know that, you have a sense that these are your karmas manifesting and the more you deal with them, the better it is. The more ways you find to deal with them and be present with it as much as you can, the easier it gets but that’s not easy. Give him the mic, he wants to say more.

    Q: I almost feel as if this could be a conversation actually?

    KD: what else is it? Isn’t this my living room?

    Q: So be it.

    KD: Or your living room?

    Q: So it sounds like life only began at that point, per se?

    KD: no, it sounds like the lights went on for a minute and then they went off again. You know? But once they’ve gone on, you see what’s in the room, to some degree. And then it’s not so, it changes a lot. First of all, you know there’s a door over there. You just have to get to the door to get out. Before you didn’t know what was there. So, you’re bumping around trying to find a way out but you don’t even know if there is a way out, so you might give up very easily, which most people do.

    Q; So on that note, then, in terms of your relationship with life in general, just as opposed to just, a romantic side of things.

    KD: Ok, what do you mean by? You’ve said that twice. What do you mean by romantic?

    Q: Well, actually, just based on his question, so you know, in life one of the things that we seem to accomplish, let’s say for me, is to have a certain degree of sacred partnership.

    Or whatever that might look like in terms of romantic relationships. And having gone through that experience, sometimes I wonder

    KD: What experience?

    Q: The experience of being with Maharajji. Sometimes I wonder, it’s like, there’s a song that says, looking for love in all the wrong places.

    KD: It’s ike that.

    Q: So I wonder, what happens after that experience in that realm, you know?
    KD: Look at it. This is what happens.

    Q: I’ve been looking at you for a couple of hours. I want to know what’s behind the curtain there.

    KD: There’s nothing behind the curtain. Just the same shit you see. There are very few secrets left, especially in the days of social media. Ram Das talks about the time he was standing in line at a porn, outside waiting to buy a ticket at a porn movie, you know? The guy behind him goes, “Are you Ram Das?”

    He said, Yes, bought his ticket and went in.

    That’s the other thing that happens, you also start to accept all the parts of your life a lot more easily. All the shadows. You know, the shadows, if we don’t see them, they just keep pushing us around and they don’t go away by themselves. They must be looked at, they must be released, consciously released to some degree. So, when Maharajji sent me back to America after 2 and a half years, he said, “You go back to America. You have attachment there.” So, this is, this is what’s left after 50 years of dealing with attachment. Just, me and my main squeeze here. And my life, you know? But I think one of the things you’re asking, I’m not looking for that love in anybody anymore, in a person, in a human being. You know? That love, I understand to be the, like the sky that holds everything within it. We’re all inside of that love all the time. Most of us are trapped inside of me, so we don’t feel that space that we’re all a part of. That’s how I see Maharajji now. And that’s how I see the love now. That love can be manifested by a person, you know, to some degree. But only a true Saint, a true Guru can actually, who’s become that, can, is that. Can transmit that, so to speak. Human beings can only transmit what human beings have to transmit, whatever that is. Affection, kindness, caring, compassion, tenderness, partnership, friendship, neediness, greediness, anger, shame, fear, guilt, that’s our world. That’s not the same world as, and that whole world is held in the arms of this vast sky of love all the time. There’s nothing outside of that. Couldn’t be. But we don’t know that. We’re not aware of that. But what to do? That’s why he sent me home. First of all, I would have died within a year or two if I had stayed there. I was so sick. Ridiculously sick. And second of all, I would have never, I would have never had a chance to live through the untying of the knots in my own heart. It had to be done this way I guess, because that’s what happened.

    But there are other people who’ve gone to India, they’ve become monks or nuns and they’ve stayed there their whole lives. You know? That wasn’t me. I thought it was me. But it wasn’t. And He knew that. That’s why He sent me back.

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    Ep.01 | Talk on the Hanuman Chalisa Feb 06, 2019
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    Ep.01 ~ Talk on the Hanuman Chalisa Maharajji, Hanuman and The Flow of Grace Towards Love This is the way Mahrajji was. Everything that came towards Him got something burnt away, because you couldn’t come close to that fire with all your shit. You had to drop it or you couldn’t get there. Just coming towards that love burns stuff off of you in the first place. And that’s Hanuman. Hanuman is that love that’s always turned towards Ram, towards God, and anything that approaches Hanuman gets into that flow of Grace towards love. But in order to enter into that flow, you have to leave some of that luggage behind. You have to. It’s not always pleasant and it’s not, it doesn’t always feel good but you want the love more than you want all that luggage and so you will let go of that given the opportunity. – Krishna Das Transcription:Q: Thank you so much, I had a question about the hanuman chalisa and anything you could say about your journey with that, what your teacher said about it and how your experiences have gone of chanting Hanuman’s name? KD: Well, Maharajji said that every word of the Hanuman Chalisa is Mahamantra. So, the whole thing is the Name, repetitions of the Names, which He considered to be the practice that we were qualified to do. When we asked Him, “How do we find God?” he said, “Serve people.” “How do we raise Kundalini?” He said, “Feed people.” “Love everyone, Serve everyone and Remember God.” That was basically what He told us. What He told other people, we have no idea, but that’s what he told us. But pretty much it was like that, He was mostly with householders that we know. And He was part of every family and He was involved in all the decisions in the family and the children, angry at their parents, and the parents fighting. You know, all things, He was just involved in all of it all the time. And he helped these people live good lives and he blessed them and many times He helped them overcome tremendous obstacles and healed them and healed the sick and raised the dead. The whole schpeel. That’s what He did. Very much in the world. There’s a beautiful story about, one day He was walking down the street in Vrindavan in the middle of the summer. It was like 120 degrees in the middle of the day and coming in the other direction was this sadhu, you know, with the hair and the ashes and they saw each other and they ran, jumped around, and they hugged and they jumped around and danced and they were just like, completely, they were so happy to see each other and this sadhu says, “Baba, I can’t believe we’re meeting after 40 years. I haven’t seen You since we were in the mountains together.” And everybody was so happy. They were so happy. And they hung around for a few minutes and then Maharajji says, “Ok, brother, I have to go now. So, you go and I’ll go this way. You go that way.” And the sadhu says, “I’m not leaving you, after all this time I’ve found You. I can’t go now.” He said, “No, no. You don’t understand. You don’t want to hang out with Me. I’m always around householders. I’m with worldly people all the time. It’s not good for you. It’s not good for you. You don’t even know Me. Don’t come with Me.” He said, “There’s no way I’m leaving you, Baba.” And they argued about it. Finally, Mahrajji says, “Ok.” And they took off and they started walking to Mathura, which is 18 kilometers away in the middle of the day. In those days there was just a desert between Vrindavan and Mathura. So, they were literally dying of thirst and in the distance, they saw a well and they start running to this well, right? And Mahrajji gets there first and there’s a woman getting water from the well, whatever you call that, with a bucket. And Maharajji runs up and He puts His hands out like this, and He says, “Ma, pour water for me to drink.” Right? So she pours water and He’s drinking like this and now the sadhu arrives and he puts out his gourd cup and the woman pours water and starts to pour water in it and while she’s pouring water, Maharajji starts chatting her up because He chatted everybody up 24-7 365 and He says, “Where are you from, Ma? What’s your village? What’s your caste?” Turns out she’s an untouchable. When the sadhu heard that, he completely flipped out. He takes his gourd and he furiously smashes it down on the ground and he starts screaming to Maharajji, “What have you done? Look what you’ve done? You’ve gotten me into this and this and this was my only thing, I needed this for everything and now it’s become impure and I can’t use it anymore. How could you do this?” And Maharajji’s going, “What? What? What happened? What’s going on? What’s going on? Oh, I thought you were a sadhu.” He said, “What’s caste for a sadhu? What is this? I don’t understand. I don’t understand. What is this attachment?” And the sadhu saw what happened. Maharajji said, “He washed my feet with his tears and went back to the mountains to finish his work.” This is the way Mahrajji was. Everything that came towards Him got something burnt away, because you couldn’t come close to that fire with all your shit. You had to drop it or you couldn’t get there. Just coming towards that love burns stuff off of you in the first place. And that’s Hanuman. Hanuman is that love that’s always turned towards Ram, towards God, and anything that approaches Hanuman gets into that flow of Grace towards love. But in order to enter into that flow, you have to leave some of that luggage behind. You have to. It’s not always pleasant and it’s not, it doesn’t always feel good but you want the love more than you want all that luggage and so you will let go of that given the opportunity. So, this is Hanuman. Hanuman is that, the ability to overcome all obstacles, to break all attachment, to remove suffering, remove calamities from our lives, all the stuff that keeps us back, obstructs our path and Hanuman Chalisa invokes the presence of that love. And Maharajji gave us that chant ,in His own inimitable way, He never said, “Sing the Chalisa.” He said, “Here”. He never said, “Here. This is the Hanuman Chalisa. Learn it and then sing it to Me.” He didn’t do that. Everything just happened as if He was doing nothing, You know? You know, I’ve told the story, we used to come to the temple every day and they gave us this little yellow book with the picture of a flying monkey on it, right? I had a hundred of them in my room. Then one day I thought to ask, “Well, what is this?” We’re westerners. We’re a little slow. A little slow. And they said, “Well, it’s this prayer to Hanuman.” I said, “Really?” A light went on, I thought, he said. Why don’t we learn this and then we can sing it to Maharajji? In that way… because we knew he secretly longed to spend more time with us and we wanted to help Him do that. You see, on the level that we live on, it looked like we were doing that, but you step back just a little bit from it all, you can see it’s all a part of this grand design to facilitate the opening of our hearts and to facilitate our relationship with Him, to intensify that and to deepen that. And it all just happened as if no one was doing anything. It’s like, very unusual. So, the Chalisa is… the Hanuman Chalisa… Chalisa means “40”. A hymn of 40 verses. There are Chalisas to almost all the deities. Durga Chalisa, all these Chalisas. There’s a million Chalisas. But this is the one, the Hanuman Chalisa is the one from this lineage of Hanuman. We’re all in that lineage. Maharajji is in that lineage of Hanuman. His devotees saw Him as Hanuman so we felt we were singing to Hanuman when we sang this and He knew what we felt. He made us feel that way. So, He opened our hearts that way. So it’s a very powerful chant, partially because it’s difficult to learn. You have to really commit to learning. You don’t have to memorize it. You can read it. It can be read but you read it three or four million times, you might memorize it, you know? And what you see here is the fruit of that practice. There’s a puja that you do, that you can do “Jo sata bara patha kara ko-I, Chhutahi bandi maha sukha ho-I” Whoever recites this 100 times, all their bondage is destroyed, is free and the next line “Jo yaha parhe hanumana chalisaHoya siddhi sakhi gaurisa” Whoever recites this becomes, accomplishes whatever he can, whatever he wants to accomplish, so there’s a particular practice in India that they teach to do, you can do, its to recite the Chalisa 108 times. You may go to a puja, you bring some fruit, a picture of Hanuman or Maharajji and then you recite the Chalisa 108 times. You can get up to go to the bathroom and make coffee and all that but don’t stop reciting and you ask for a boon because Hanuman is a very unusual being. It is not a renunciate path. It’s not about renunciation in the sense of being a sannyasin in the world. Hanuman not only gives, one of these days I’ll find this sloka again, I found it somewhere once, but it said, Hanuman not only gives liberation, but He allows for the satisfaction and fulfillment of healthy desires that we have. The things that we need to have, that we need to get, in our own particular karmic predicament, individually, we’re talking about. He makes all that possible, too. So it’s not only that He gives liberation, but He also allows us to eat a little bit on the way. It’s like being in the dining car on the train. So, this is a very unusual thing and Maharajji’s very much like that. He helped people get what they wanted, what they needed in their daily lives, even the Indian families that used to come see Him. Maybe a son needs a job. No problem. All kinds of things. This is what Saints do in India. It’s only recently they have doctors, you know? Aside from Ayurveds. But mostly the poor Indian people can’t afford anything so they go see a Saint and they say, “Baba, I need this.” You know? No problem. He was funny about it, one time a couple comes and said, you know, “Baba, we don’t have a son.” He said, “where am I going to get a son?” But they had a son. A beautiful story, one of the priests in a Krishna temple in Mathura, it was Bala Krishna, the Boy Krishna, Child Krishna, he was a very nasty guy, a very angry guy and he never let the children come into the temple. So one time Maharajji goes there for darshan of Krishna, the pujari bows down and says “Baba I’m getting old now. I have no child. I have no son. I have no children.” So Maharajji says, “How can you have a child when you keep the children away from Him? Let the children come and play and you’ll have a kid.” So he let the children come in and he had a kid. Well, his wife had a kid. That would be a lot. Not that he couldn’t do it, but it would be unusual. So, yeah you know when I went to India I really, I don’t know, I just thought that desires weren’t good, that they were bad. I don’t know how I got that idea. It’s a strange idea, isn’t it? Maybe in a Catholic Church. You know, somebody, this group of Christian ministers went to see the Dalai Lama and they said, Your Holiness, what’ your view of sin? Then He went, hm. He said, “I think that’s a Christian thing isn’t it?” There’s no sin in Eastern… there’s papa which literally means burning. So there’s karmic actions that create burning, but there’s no original sin. Like, we’re all guilty and we have to get a lawyer and get out of jail. So it’s not like that. It’s a totally different ballgame. But Westerners tend to see everything through their own neurosis. So we lay that neurotic stuff on the path really quick and it’s not necessary. So yeah, I was saying, so I did, the first time I did 108 Chalisas it took me 13 hours. Now I can do it in like 45 seconds. That’s it. But I asked for a boon and this is it. You’re seeing it. This is it. Took awhile. It took a lot. I had to go through a lot of dark stuff but my Guru’s, what my boon was, it’s still in process, actually, to tell you the truth. You know, Maharajji used to ask people, people would be sitting there then all of sudden he’d go, “What do you want?” Like he’d point to somebody, “What do you want?” Because you can’t, your first thought, he knows what you thought then He sees the lie coming out of your mouth. But I was ready. I’d say for about 8 months, I had my answer in my back pocket and I just, I knew, because I knew sooner or later it was going to happen, so one day he looks at me, he goes, “What do you want?” And I looked Him and I said, “Prema Bhakti,” which is the highest state of devotion, blissful, completely blissed out devotion that never ends, I said “Prema Bhakti,” he goes, “Oh. Not now. Later.” He said, “Later.” I loved to do that to him. Flow of Grace {Revised Edition}: Chanting The Hanuman Chalisa We are delighted to announce the spring 2019 release of a new edition of Flow of Grace offering an updated book including CDs specially created to deepen our understanding of one of the most revered pieces of Indian sacred text, the Hanuman Chalisa. In Flow of Grace, KD shares the 40 lyrical verses that give praise to Hanuman, the monkey god known as the pinnacle of bhakti (devotion) and the remover of fears and obstacles. It is said that just by reciting this ancient mantra, you will gain great strength and confidence and be filled with divine energy.In this book and CD set, Krishna Das explores the correct pronunciation of each of the 40 transformative verses, the means of invoking Hanuman’s grace and healing, and the power chanting. Flow of Grace also includes two recorded CDs. The first disc consists of 8 different melodies of the Hanuman Chalisa with musical accompaniment and the second disc is a word by word, slowly spoken instructional recitation of all 40 verses by Krishna Das. PURCHASE FLOW OF GRACE Call and Response podcasts are made possible by the Kirtan Wallah Foundation Your support via direct donations go toward offerings such as this series, new teaching materials, as well as the the compilation of all of KD’s work on the Path, for the purpose of sharing it with everyone in a variety of media. Kirtan Wallah Foundation is also be able to offer assistance to organizations around the world, whose efforts are in alignment with the teachings of Neem Karoli Baba. For more information about the work of the foundation you can visit our blog for recent updates as well as sign up for our foundation news letter. A note about your donation:Donations can be made via Paypal below and are tax deductible under 501c3 guidelines. If you prefer to give via a check, please send your donation to Kirtan Wallah Foundation | 35 east 4th Street | Apt #1 | Brooklyn, NY | 11218. We thank you in advance for your generosity. “Donations are like streams, flowing into the great river of compassion that carries us to the ocean of Love.” ~ KD The post Ep.01 | Talk on the Hanuman Chalisa appeared first on Krishna Das.

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    Ep. 00 | Keeping up with daily sadhana and practice Jan 16, 2018
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    Ep. 00 ~ Keeping up with daily sadhana and practice

    In this episode Krishna Das discusses keeping up with our daily practices (sadhana) despite distractions and hurry in our daily lives.

    Transcription:

    Q: Thank you so much, I had a question about the hanuman chalisa and anything you could say about your journey with that, what your teacher said about it and how your experiences have gone of chanting Hanuman’s name?

    KD: Well, Maharajji said that every word of the Hanuman Chalisa is Mahamantra. So, the whole thing is the Name, repetitions of the Names, which He considered to be the practice that we were qualified to do.

    When we asked Him, “How do we find God?” he said, “Serve people.” “How do we raise Kundalini?” He said, “Feed people.”

    “Love everyone, Serve everyone and Remember God.” That was basically what He told us. What He told other people, we have no idea, but that’s what he told us. But pretty much it was like that, He was mostly with householders that we know. And He was part of every family and He was involved in all the decisions in the family and the children, angry at their parents, and the parents fighting. You know, all things, He was just involved in all of it all the time. And he helped these people live good lives and he blessed them and many times He helped them overcome tremendous obstacles and healed them and healed the sick and raised the dead. The whole schpeel. That’s what He did. Very much in the world.

    There’s a beautiful story about, one day He was walking down the street in Vrindavan in the middle of the summer. It was like 120 degrees in the middle of the day and coming in the other direction was this sadhu, you know, with the hair and the ashes and they saw each other and they ran, jumped around, and they hugged and they jumped around and danced and they were just like, completely, they were so happy to see each other and this sadhu says, “Baba, I can’t believe we’re meeting after 40 years. I haven’t seen You since we were in the mountains together.” And everybody was so happy. They were so happy. And they hung around for a few minutes and then Maharajji says, “Ok, brother, I have to go now. So, you go and I’ll go this way. You go that way.” And the sadhu says, “I’m not leaving you, after all this time I’ve found You. I can’t go now.” He said, “No, no. You don’t understand. You don’t want to hang out with Me. I’m always around householders. I’m with worldly people all the time. It’s not good for you. It’s not good for you. You don’t even know Me. Don’t come with Me.” He said, “There’s no way I’m leaving you, Baba.” And they argued about it. Finally, Mahrajji says, “Ok.” And they took off and they started walking to Mathura, which is 18 kilometers away in the middle of the day. In those days there was just a desert between Vrindavan and Mathura. So, they were literally dying of thirst and in the distance, they saw a well and they start running to this well, right? And Mahrajji gets there first and there’s a woman getting water from the well, whatever you call that, with a bucket. And Maharajji runs up and He puts His hands out like this, and He says, “Ma, pour water for me to drink.” Right? So she pours water and He’s drinking like this and now the sadhu arrives and he puts out his gourd cup and the woman pours water and starts to pour water in it and while she’s pouring water, Maharajji starts chatting her up because He chatted everybody up 24-7 365 and He says, “Where are you from, Ma? What’s your village? What’s your caste?” Turns out she’s an untouchable. When the sadhu heard that, he completely flipped out. He takes his gourd and he furiously smashes it down on the ground and he starts screaming to Maharajji, “What have you done? Look what you’ve done? You’ve gotten me into this and this and this was my only thing, I needed this for everything and now it’s become impure and I can’t use it anymore. How could you do this?” And Maharajji’s going, “What? What? What happened? What’s going on? What’s going on? Oh, I thought you were a sadhu.” He said, “What’s caste for a sadhu? What is this? I don’t understand. I don’t understand. What is this attachment?” And the sadhu saw what happened. Maharajji said, “He washed my feet with his tears and went back to the mountains to finish his work.”

    This is the way Mahrajji was. Everything that came towards Him got something burnt away, because you couldn’t come close to that fire with all your shit. You had to drop it or you couldn’t get there. Just coming towards that love burns stuff off of you in the first place. And that’s Hanuman. Hanuman is that love that’s always turned towards Ram, towards God, and anything that approaches Hanuman gets into that flow of Grace towards love. But in order to enter into that flow, you have to leave some of that luggage behind. You have to. It’s not always pleasant and it’s not, it doesn’t always feel good but you want the love more than you want all that luggage and so you will let go of that given the opportunity.

    So, this is Hanuman. Hanuman is that, the ability to overcome all obstacles, to break all attachment, to remove suffering, remove calamities from our lives, all the stuff that keeps us back, obstructs our path and Hanuman Chalisa invokes the presence of that love. And Maharajji gave us that chant ,in His own inimitable way, He never said, “Sing the Chalisa.” He said, “Here”. He never said, “Here. This is the Hanuman Chalisa. Learn it and then sing it to Me.” He didn’t do that. Everything just happened as if He was doing nothing, You know? You know, I’ve told the story, we used to come to the temple every day and they gave us this little yellow book with the picture of a flying monkey on it, right? I had a hundred of them in my room. Then one day I thought to ask, “Well, what is this?”

    We’re westerners. We’re a little slow. A little slow. And they said, “Well, it’s this prayer to Hanuman.” I said, “Really?” A light went on, I thought, he said. Why don’t we learn this and then we can sing it to Maharajji? In that way… because we knew he secretly longed to spend more time with us and we wanted to help Him do that. You see, on the level that we live on, it looked like we were doing that, but you step back just a little bit from it all, you can see it’s all a part of this grand design to facilitate the opening of our hearts and to facilitate our relationship with Him, to intensify that and to deepen that. And it all just happened as if no one was doing anything. It’s like, very unusual. So, the Chalisa is… the Hanuman Chalisa… Chalisa means “40”. A hymn of 40 verses. There are Chalisas to almost all the deities. Durga Chalisa, all these Chalisas. There’s a million Chalisas. But this is the one, the Hanuman Chalisa is the one from this lineage of Hanuman. We’re all in that lineage. Maharajji is in that lineage of Hanuman. His devotees saw Him as Hanuman so we felt we were singing to Hanuman when we sang this and He knew what we felt. He made us feel that way. So, He opened our hearts that way. So it’s a very powerful chant, partially because it’s difficult to learn. You have to really commit to learning. You don’t have to memorize it. You can read it. It can be read but you read it three or four million times, you might memorize it, you know?

    And what you see here is the fruit of that practice. There’s a puja that you do, that you can do

    “Jo sata bara patha kara ko-I, Chhutahi bandi maha sukha ho-I”

    Whoever recites this 100 times, all their bondage is destroyed, is free and the next line

    “Jo yaha parhe hanumana chalisa
    Hoya siddhi sakhi gaurisa”

    Whoever recites this becomes, accomplishes whatever he can, whatever he wants to accomplish, so there’s a particular practice in India that they teach to do, you can do, its to recite the Chalisa 108 times. You may go to a puja, you bring some fruit, a picture of Hanuman or Maharajji and then you recite the Chalisa 108 times. You can get up to go to the bathroom and make coffee and all that but don’t stop reciting and you ask for a boon because Hanuman is a very unusual being. It is not a renunciate path. It’s not about renunciation in the sense of being a sannyasin in the world. Hanuman not only gives, one of these days I’ll find this sloka again, I found it somewhere once, but it said, Hanuman not only gives liberation, but He allows for the satisfaction and fulfillment of healthy desires that we have. The things that we need to have, that we need to get, in our own particular karmic predicament, individually, we’re talking about. He makes all that possible, too. So it’s not only that He gives liberation, but He also allows us to eat a little bit on the way. It’s like being in the dining car on the train. So, this is a very unusual thing and Maharajji’s very much like that. He helped people get what they wanted, what they needed in their daily lives, even the Indian families that used to come see Him. Maybe a son needs a job. No problem. All kinds of things. This is what Saints do in India. It’s only recently they have doctors, you know? Aside from Ayurveds. But mostly the poor Indian people can’t afford anything so they go see a Saint and they say, “Baba, I need this.” You know? No problem. He was funny about it, one time a couple comes and said, you know, “Baba, we don’t have a son.” He said, “where am I going to get a son?” But they had a son. A beautiful story, one of the priests in a Krishna temple in Mathura, it was Bala Krishna, the Boy Krishna, Child Krishna, he was a very nasty guy, a very angry guy and he never let the children come into the temple. So one time Maharajji goes there for darshan of Krishna, the pujari bows down and says “Baba I’m getting old now. I have no child. I have no son. I have no children.” So Maharajji says, “How can you have a child when you keep the children away from Him? Let the children come and play and you’ll have a kid.” So he let the children come in and he had a kid. Well, his wife had a kid. That would be a lot.

    Not that he couldn’t do it, but it would be unusual. So, yeah you know when I went to India I really, I don’t know, I just thought that desires weren’t good, that they were bad. I don’t know how I got that idea. It’s a strange idea, isn’t it? Maybe in a Catholic Church.

    You know, somebody, this group of Christian ministers went to see the Dalai Lama and they said, Your Holiness, what’ your view of sin? Then He went, hm. He said, “I think that’s a Christian thing isn’t it?”

    There’s no sin in Eastern… there’s papa which literally means burning. So there’s karmic actions that create burning, but there’s no original sin. Like, we’re all guilty and we have to get a lawyer and get out of jail. So it’s not like that. It’s a totally different ballgame. But Westerners tend to see everything through their own neurosis. So we lay that neurotic stuff on the path really quick and it’s not necessary.

    So yeah, I was saying, so I did, the first time I did 108 Chalisas it took me 13 hours. Now I can do it in like 45 seconds. That’s it.

    But I asked for a boon and this is it. You’re seeing it. This is it.

    Took awhile.

    It took a lot. I had to go through a lot of dark stuff but my Guru’s, what my boon was, it’s still in process, actually, to tell you the truth. You know, Maharajji used to ask people, people would be sitting there then all of sudden he’d go, “What do you want?” Like he’d point to somebody, “What do you want?”

    Because you can’t, your first thought, he knows what you thought then He sees the lie coming out of your mouth. But I was ready. I’d say for about 8 months, I had my answer in my back pocket and I just, I knew, because I knew sooner or later it was going to happen, so one day he looks at me, he goes, “What do you want?” And I looked Him and I said, “Prema Bhakti,” which is the highest state of devotion, blissful, completely blissed out devotion that never ends, I said “Prema Bhakti,” he goes, “Oh. Not now. Later.” He said, “Later.” I loved to do that to him.

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