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    Zero Knowledge

    Zero Knowledge is a podcast which goes deep into the tech that will power the emerging decentralised web and the community building this. Covering the latest in zero knowledge research and applications, the open web as well as future technologies and paradigms that promise to change the way we interact — and transact — with one another online.
    Zero Knowledge is hosted by Anna Rose
    Follow the show at @ZeroKnowledgefm (https://twitter.com/zeroknowledgefm) or @AnnaRRose (https://twitter.com/AnnaRRose)
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    Exploring FRI, LogUp and using M31 for STARKs with Ulrich Haböck Dec 20, 2023
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, host Anna Rose and cohost Nico Mohnblatt catch up with Ulrich Haböck, an applied cryptographer at Polygon Labs. This episode revolves around Ulrich’s journey into applied zero-knowledge cryptography, transitioning from an academic environment to being a full-time practitioner. They discuss his contributions to the field, including his many write-ups and manuscripts as well as his breakthrough research on Multivariate lookups with his work logUp. They also cover his work on logarithmic derivative lookups using GKR with Shahar Papini, as well as his innovative approaches to STARKs over finite fields that are not ‘NTT-friendly’. This episode offers a deep dive into the complexities and breakthroughs in applied cryptography.

    Here’s some additional links for this episode:

    • A summary on the FRI low degree test by Ulrich Haböck
    • Brakedown's expander code by Ulrich Haböck
    • Improving LogUp with GKR - By Ulrich from Polygon
    • Improving logarithmic derivative lookups using GKR by Papini and Haböck
    • flookup: Fractional decomposition-based lookups in quasi-linear time independent of table size by Gabizon and Khovratovich
    • Bulletproofs++: Next Generation Confidential Transactions via Reciprocal Set Membership Arguments by Eagen Kanjalkar, Ruffing and Nick
    • Nearly Linear-Time Zero-Knowledge Proofs for Correct Program Execution by Bootle, Cerulli, Groth, Jakobsen and Maller
    • Understanding Lasso and Jolt, from theory to code
    • ZK8: Hyperplonk: PLONK without FFTs and with high degree gates - Benedikt Bünz
    • ZK9: logUp - Lookup arguments based on the logarithmic derivative - Ulrich Haböck
    • ZK10: Degree tricks in DEEP STARKs - Shahar Papini
    • Orion: Zero Knowledge Proof with Linear Prover Time by Xie, Zhang and Song
    • Reed-Solomon Codes over the Circle Group by Haböck, Lubarov and Nabaglo
    • Marlin: Preprocessing zkSNARKs with Universal and Updatable SRS by Chiesa, Hu, Maller, Mishra, Vesely and Ward

    ZK Hack IV online is coming soon, visit zhhack.dev/zkhackIV for the latest news!


    Launching soon, Namada is a proof-of-stake L1 blockchain focused on multichain, asset-agnostic privacy, via a unified shielded set. Namada is natively interoperable with fast-finality chains via IBC, and with Ethereum using a trust-minimised bridge.


    Follow Namada on Twitter @namada for more information and join the community on Discord discord.gg/namada.


    If you like what we do:

    • Find all our links here! @ZeroKnowledge | Linktree
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    • Follow us on Twitter @zeroknowledgefm
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    A Dive into Binius with Ulvetanna Dec 13, 2023
    Show notes

    In this week's episode, Anna and cohost Brendan Farmer catch up with Jim Posen and Radi Cojbasic from Ulvetanna. They cover the origin story of Ulvetanna and their work on the ZK hardware/software intersection before moving on to discuss Binius, a new proving system they developed which is optimised for hardware. Binius is built on towers of binary fields and draws on recent breakthroughs on SNARKs. This work continues the trend towards the use of smaller fields and was inspired by the development of new lookup arguments, work done on multilinear provers and sum-check as well as the use of recursive composition in SNARKs.

    Here’s some additional links for this episode:

    • Succinct Arguments over Towers of Binary Fields by Diamond and Posen
    • Binius: a Hardware-Optimized SNARK
    • Episode 170: Hardware for ZKPs & VDFs with Supranational
    • Episode 266: ZK Hardware Sessions with Zprize Pt. 1
    • Episode 267: ZK Hardware Sessions with Zprize Pt. 2
    • Scalable, transparent, and post-quantum secure computational integrity by Ben-Sasson, Bentov, Horesh, Riabzev
    • Multivariate lookups based on logarithmic derivatives by Ulrich Haböck
    • Episode 250: What’s the Deal with Hash Functions?
    • Plonky2: Fast Recursive Arguments with PLONK and FRI by Polygon Zero Team

    ZK Hack IV online is coming soon, watch out for updates on zkhack.dev/zkhackIV!

    Aleo is a new Layer-1 blockchain that achieves the programmability of Ethereum, the privacy of Zcash, and the scalability of a rollup.


    As Aleo is gearing up for their mainnet launch in Q1, this is an invitation to be part of a transformational ZK journey.


    Dive deeper and discover more about Aleo at http://aleo.org/


    If you like what we do:

    • Find all our links here! @ZeroKnowledge | Linktree
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    • Follow us on Twitter @zeroknowledgefm
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    ZK for web2 interop with zkLogin & ZK Email Dec 06, 2023
    Show notes

    This week Anna and cohost Kobi chat with both Kostas Kryptos from Mysten Labs, discussing the zkLogin project and Aayush Gupta representing the ZK Email + Email Wallet projects. They explore the use case of web2 onboarding into web3, through the lens of these two different projects which emerged independently but share a lot of the same characteristics.

    They discuss the way this use case problem was first identified, the solution that each project came up with independently, the decisions that each project took and the future use cases they would enable.

    Here’s some additional links mentioned in this episode:

    • Sui by zkLogin
    • zkSend by Mysten Labs
    • ZK Email
    • Email Wallet
    • Aayush G’s ZK Email Blog
    • JSON Web Token
    • Winterfell STARK prover and verifier
    • Contract Wallet Using Emails by Suegami and Shibano
    • xJsnark: A Framework for Efficient Verifiable Computation by Kosba Papamanthou and Shi
    • RSA Algorithm in Cryptography

    Further relevant links:

    • Episode 227: Move & Sui with Sam Blackshear from Mysten Labs
    • Episode 257: Proof of Solvency with Kostas Chalkias
    • ZK8: A New ZK Nullifier Signature for ECDSA - Aayush Gupta - 0xPARC
    • ZK10: ZK for authentication: How to SNARK sign-in w/ Google, Apple & Facebook - Kostas


    Check out the latest in ZK Jobs on our Jobs Board here.


    Launching soon, Namada is a proof-of-stake L1 blockchain focused on multichain, asset-agnostic privacy, via a unified shielded set. Namada is natively interoperable with fast-finality chains via IBC, and with Ethereum using a trust-minimised bridge.


    Follow Namada on Twitter @namada for more information and join the community on Discord discord.gg/namada


    If you like what we do:

    • Find all our links here! @ZeroKnowledge | Linktree
    • Subscribe to our podcast newsletter
    • Follow us on Twitter @zeroknowledgefm
    • Join us on Telegram
    • Catch us on YouTube

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    EigenLayer @ Devconnect Nov 29, 2023
    Show notes

    This week, Anna catches up with Tarun Chitra and Sreeram Kannan during a spontaneous session recorded at Devconnect 2023 in Istanbul! They cover a variety of topics seen at the event, including zk toolkits, intents and Data Availability, shedding light on how these ideas are reshaping the framework of digital interaction and governance. Their chat covers the challenges and opportunities these technologies present, highlighting their significance in the current ecosystem. Later, they explore the complexities and nuances of EigenLayer, offering detailed insights into its functionalities, applications, and potential impact on the industry.

    Here’s some additional links for this episode:

    • ZK Hack IRL Istanbul wrap article
    • ZK Hack Tweet announcing the winners.
    • Sign up here for ZK Hack IV Online updates
    • EigenLayer
    • EigenLayer: The Restaking Collective by EigenLayer Team
    • Parachains' Protocol Overview - reference to Fishermen
    • Episode 217: Information Theory & Blockchain with Sreeram Kannan
    • ZK7: Hyperscale Data Availability for ZK Systems - Sreeram Kanan - UoW / Layr Labs
    • Sreeram Kannan - Introducing Programmable Trust + EigenLayer Roadmap

    Aleo is a new Layer-1 blockchain that achieves the programmability of Ethereum, the privacy of Zcash, and the scalability of a rollup.


    As Aleo is gearing up for their mainnet launch in Q4, this is an invitation to be part of a transformational ZK journey.


    Dive deeper and discover more about Aleo at aleo.org


    If you like what we do:

    • Find all our links here! @ZeroKnowledge | Linktree
    • Subscribe to our podcast newsletter
    • Follow us on Twitter @zeroknowledgefm
    • Join us on Telegram
    • Catch us on YouTube

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    A ZK Podcast Retrospective Nov 22, 2023
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, Anna takes a look back at the last 6 years of the Zero Knowledge Podcast, how it came to be and the journey the show has been on since that very first episode in 2017. Anna reviews the highs and lows of the show, touching on episodes which made a profound impact on her own journey in the ZK space, as well as episodes she wouldn’t rush to listen to again! Discover key show learnings, how the zkSummit formed and take a trip down memory lane in the 300th episode of Zero Knowledge Podcast.

    • To check out all the ZK Podcast episodes mentioned in this episode, visit the zeroknowledge.fm website here
    • Check out one of the earliest zkSummit talks on the very first event: Zero knowledge proofs intro with Str4d (Zcash)
    • The full zkSummit Playlist
    • Sign up here for ZK Hack IV Online updates

    If you like what we do:

    • Find all our links here! @ZeroKnowledge | Linktree
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    • Follow us on Twitter @zeroknowledgefm
    • Join us on Telegram
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    Catch up on zkSync with Alex G Nov 15, 2023
    Show notes

    In this week's episode, Anna chats with Alex Gluchowski, CEO of Matter Labs & co-creator of the zkSync network. They catch up on the zkSync project since it launched in Feb 2023. They dive into recent initiatives like the ZK Stack framework, Hyperchains, and the ZK Credo mission statement. They also explore the upcoming Boojum proof system upgrade planned for zkSync Era and discuss the future of the zkSync project as a whole.

    Here’s some additional links for this episode:

    • Introducing the ZK Stack
    • Introduction to Hyperchains
    • Matter Labs Era Boojum GitHub
    • zkSync Era: Everything you need to know about ZK Credo, ZK Stack, & Boojum Upgrade
    • Episode 72: zkSNARKs for Scale with Matter Labs
    • Episode 116: zkSync and Redshift: Matter Labs update
    • Episode 175: zkEVM & zkPorter with Matter Labs
    • Introducing zkSync: the missing link to mass adoption of Ethereum
    • The different types of ZK-EVMs by Vitalik Buterin
    • Different types of layer 2s
    • L2BEAT
    • emailwallet.org
    • prove.email

    Check out the latest in ZK Jobs on our Jobs Board here.


    Launching soon, Namada is a proof-of-stake L1 blockchain focused on multichain, asset-agnostic privacy, via a unified shielded set. Namada is natively interoperable with fast-finality chains via IBC, and with Ethereum using a trust-minimised bridge.


    Follow Namada on Twitter @namada for more information and join the community on Discord discord.gg/namada


    If you like what we do:

    • Find all our links here! @ZeroKnowledge | Linktree
    • Subscribe to our podcast newsletter
    • Follow us on Twitter @zeroknowledgefm
    • Join us on Telegram
    • Catch us on YouTube

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    Mina’s zkApps and o1js with Brandon and Steve Nov 08, 2023
    Show notes

    In this week's episode Anna Rose chats with Brandon Kase, CTO, and Steve Pack, Head of Product at O(1)Labs, focusing on the Mina Protocol. The discussion covers their journeys leading to their work on the project, developments in the Mina Protocol since the last appearance on ZK Podcast, and insights into the zkApps building environment. They delve into the technical aspects of o1js and the underlying philosophy that drives its design. The episode wraps with a forward-looking perspective on the potential applications of zero-knowledge proofs as the industry shifts from a research-centric to a builder-centric approach.

    Links referenced in this episode:

    • Episode 54: Digging into recursive zkSNARKs with Coda
    • Episode 199: Snapps on Mina with Emre and Izaak
    • Episode 276: Expanding Computation on Ethereum with Axiom

    Further relevant links:

    • Episode 113: Latest recursive SNARKitecture with Izaak Meckler from O(1)Labs
    • O(1)Labs Website
    • o1js GitHub
    • Introduction to o1js
    • Mina Protocol Docs

    Check out the ZK Jobs Board

    NEAR Foundation and Polygon Labs just announced they are teaming up to build zkWASM, a zero-knowledge prover for WASM blockchains. This collaboration will create a more secure, interoperable Web3 ecosystem for an open web.


    NEAR’s deep WASM runtime expertise combined with Polygon Labs’ authority in ZK scaling technology, the zkWASM prover will be market leader when it launches in 2024.


    Stay up to date with the zkWASM announcement at near.org


    If you like what we do:

    • Find all our links here! @ZeroKnowledge | Linktree
    • Subscribe to our podcast newsletter
    • Follow us on Twitter @zeroknowledgefm
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    Quantum Cryptography Part 2 with Or Sattath Nov 01, 2023
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, Anna and Nico interview Or Sattath, Assistant Professor at the Ben-Gurion University in the Computer Science department. This is the 2nd episode with Or on this show, continuing the conversation around Quantum Cryptography. This time, he describes how we can transition from a pre-quantum to a post-quantum environment, looking at existing systems like Bitcoin and Ethereum. He covers why the methods used in the transition will be important, techniques on how this could be executed and the challenges in designing these techniques and the complications that can arise. Finally, they go on to discuss Quantum Money and recent works in this area.

    Here’s some additional links for this episode:

    • Part 1 - Episode 288: Quantum Cryptography with Or Sattath
    • Polynomial-Time Algorithms for Prime Factorization and Discrete Logarithms on a Quantum Computer by Shor
    • Shor’s Algorithm
    • Grover’s Algorithm
    • A fast quantum mechanical algorithm for database search by Grover
    • Fawkescoin: A cryptocurrency without public-key cryptography by Bonneau and Miller
    • Bitcoin is not quantum-safe, and how we can fix it when needed by Buterin
    • Cryptographic canaries and backups by Justin Drake

    Notes and recommended links by Or Sattath:

    • NIST post-quantum standardization for post-quantum digital signatures and public-key encryption (or, more precisely, Key Encapsulation Mechanism, KEM). These are classical schemes that, unlike almost all the existing schemes that are used in practice, are secure against quantum adversaries.
    • Signature Lifting (arXiv link) is discussed as a technique to migrate to post-quantum signatures, especially for those who didn't prepare in advance. Here's a recommended Twitter thread summarizing the results by Shai Wyborski, Or’s co-author.
    • An approach to upgrade Bitcoin to quantum money is available here. This uses a cryptographic primitive which is called quantum lightning, which was introduced here.
    • Some smart contacts capabilities can be supported as well. This construction is based on one-shot signatures, which isdiscussed in some detail during the interview. The bottom line of this work is that we can have the most important utility that Bitcoin provides, without the need for a blockchain, or any other consensus mechanism.
    • Uncloneable cryptography was discussed during the interview. Quantum encryption with certified deletion was discussed as an interesting example of a property that can be achieved only in quantum cryptography.

    Applications are now open to attend zkHack Istanbul - Nov 10-12! Apply here: https://www.zkistanbul.com/


    Aleo is a new Layer-1 blockchain that achieves the programmability of Ethereum, the privacy of Zcash, and the scalability of a rollup.


    As Aleo is gearing up for their mainnet launch in Q4, this is an invitation to be part of a transformational ZK journey.


    Dive deeper and discover more about Aleo at aleo.org


    If you like what we do:

    • Find all our links here! @ZeroKnowledge | Linktree
    • Subscribe to our podcast newsletter
    • Follow us on Twitter @zeroknowledgefm
    • Join us on Telegram
    • Catch us on YouTube

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    Zeth, Bonsai and RISC Zero with Brian and Jeremy Oct 25, 2023
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, Anna and Nico catch up with Brian Retford and Jeremy Bruestle from RISC Zero. They delve into the current status of the project, breaking down the components of the stack, from the RISC Zero zkVM leveraging the RISC-V instruction set architecture to the Bonsai proving service and their new zkEVM, Zeth. They also touch on their design methodology, how the system components integrate and future developments for RISC Zero.

    Here’s some additional resources for this episode:

    • RISC Zero Developer Guide: Rust Resources
    • RISC Zero GitHub: Rust Crates
    • Using Continuations to Prove Any EVM Transaction
    • RISC-V Website
    • https://zkbench.dev
    • Episode 251: Exploring RISC Zero with Brian Retford and Jeremy Bruestle
    • ZK9: Future ZK Emerging Use Cases and Key Enablers – Brian Retford (RISC Zero)
    • ZK Hack Lisbon: Creating Zero-Knowledge Proofs with RISC Zero

    Applications are now open to attend zkHack Istanbul - Nov 10-12! Apply here: https://www.zkistanbul.com/


    Launching soon, Namada is a proof-of-stake L1 blockchain focused on multichain, asset-agnostic privacy, via a unified shielded set. Namada is natively interoperable with fast-finality chains via IBC, and with Ethereum using a trust-minimised bridge.


    Follow Namada on Twitter @namada for more information and join the community on Discord discord.gg/namada


    If you like what we do:

    • Find all our links here! @ZeroKnowledge | Linktree
    • Subscribe to our podcast newsletter
    • Follow us on Twitter @zeroknowledgefm
    • Join us on Telegram
    • Catch us on YouTube

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    Return to MPC with Nigel Smart Oct 18, 2023
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, Anna Rose is joined by Nigel Smart, Professor at KU Leuven and Chief Academic Officer at Zama to discuss the advancements in MPC over recent years. Nigel unpacks core components of MPC systems, including garbled circuits, secret sharing, and FHE. They discuss both systems-level applications like DKGs and Threshold Signature Schemes and actual real-world deployments. Throughout the episode, they also discuss how MPC and ZK differ, but how they can be used together to enhance each other's capabilities.

    Here’s some additional links for this episode:

    • 17 misconceptions about SNARKs (and why they hold us back by Justin Thaler
    • Nigel Smart’s GitHub
    • Unbound Security GitHub
    • Unbound Security Twitter
    • MPC Alliance
    • What is a multi-party computation (MPC) wallet?

    Relevant ZK Podcast eps


    Trusted Setups & FHE

    • Episode 76: Sean Bowe on SNARKs, Trusted Setups & Elliptic Curve Cryptography
    • Episode 124: Exploring FHE with Flavio Bergamaschi from IBM Research
    • Episode 133: Trusted Setup Ceremonies Explored
    • Episode 137: Trusted Setup Bonus: Tornado Cash
    • Episode 248: Revisiting FHE with Rand Hindi from Zama
    • Episode 270: FHE and ZKPs with Sunscreen’s Ravital Solomon

    MPC

    • Episode 90: MPC systems with Nigel Smart
    • Episode 203: MPC and DAGs with Aleph Zero’s Adam Gagol & Matthew Niemerg

    Applications are now open to attend zkHack Istanbul - Nov 10-12! Apply here: https://www.zkistanbul.com/


    RISC Zero’s out-of-the-box tooling allows developers to access the magic of ZK proofs from any chain without needing to learn custom languages or build custom zk circuits.


    Bonsai, RISC Zero’s most anticipated product, allows developers to prove huge programs off-chain, roll them into one succinct proof, and verify anywhere with low amounts of gas.


    Visit https://r0.link/ZKpodcast to learn more and sign up today for the Bonsai waitlist.


    Gnosis are searching for a VP of Technology who will provide technical leadership, foster innovation, and ensure the success of their technology.


    Check out the full job here


    If you like what we do:

    • Find all our links here! @ZeroKnowledge | Linktree
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